Q+A w/Andrew |72| January 13, 2022
9:06PM Jan 13, 2022
Okay, here we go. Okay, this is for PAM. So in your book preparing to die which is my second book. By the way, just so you know. We are using this book, to act as a template for a program that I've actually been crafting for years. We're going to be calling a it's going to be a nine month intensive training program. Starting probably in a month or two as we finish up the preparation. It's going to be part of a kind of an umbrella organization we're calling the preparing to die Institute. And the first thing is going to be a nine month preparing to die program with like 100 hours of training material and guest interviews. It's it's a whole big deal thing. We've been working on this for years and it's pretty close to being launched. With Famous Last Words With that said or probably take another month or two but stay tuned for that. I'm really excited about it. It's going to be an ongoing cohorts, limited size. This is going to give people literally everything they need to know. So stay tuned on that. I'm pretty psyched about this one. Okay, so in this book preparing to die. You mentioned that as one dies it is best to pull out all the tubes and artificial stuff for pure dying process. Yes. I just gonna be some because some of these questions a little bit longer. I'm just going to pause and run a little commentary cycle through them. Yes, that's true, but I didn't really I don't think I said pull out all the tubes and unplug everything. The idea is this kind of titrating of the death experience, not too tight, not too loose, where if you're chew in too much pain that's too tight. That can predispose you towards certain states that are a little bit less than auspicious. So this is where things like palliative care titrating, narcotics, morphine, that stuff. You don't have to get rid of all that. You just have to balance it. But at the same time, if you don't have some of the tubes and whatnot, then there's just too much pain involved. So you want to dance between being too drugged up that's too loose, and being in too much pain that's too tight. And that's what the palliative care physicians are for in palliative care providers. And that's also where your Advanced Directives are for and your executors, the people who can implement this for you and so you want to have this pretty clearly in your advanced directives. So you want to have a fairly loose at depth experience that too tight, not too loose and careful. Carefully crafted advanced directives and assertions by executors and really sensitive caregivers. They go a long way with this. But the idea here also Yeah, what I thought what I argue about it right about the section of the book, is artificial life. artificial life support, I think is often appropriately named. Artificial Life versus authentic. Death. And so at a certain point, it's ridiculous, the billions upon billions of dollars that are spent unnecessarily to sustain life because the medical profession and many people think that death is a defeat, so that's worth a running commentary. So question How might one look at dying? With other items that have been placed inside one's body during life support systems such as pacemakers, hip replacements, etc? is the key to to detach from our bodies? Yes, that you hit it right on the head. That's the key. And I'll say a little bit more about this. Because you just nailed it to start this attachment as we age. Absolutely. So I run commentary and all this. We all love our bodies and have a personal connection. Literally. I was a professional ballet dancer. My body was my instrument. Yeah, so the key here, Pam, this is a good one actually. This goes pretty deep. The key is to let go on our terms, to whatever extent we can before we are forced to let go on debts non negotiable, uncompromising terms. And that's why I frequently these days talk about death. And actually, parenthetically, a list is pinging up there should be two links down a promo for the for the session is two links coming up. One is for really cool death and dying programming I'm doing but Mandla and a bunch of somewhat remarkable other speakers. And then the Bardo Dermatol program they're doing with Bob Thurman at MetLife the end of February as well. So interestingly enough, the only two things I'm plugging are deaths related to this death business. So I often refer to death these days as a wrathful form of liberation, that you will return to the natural state the awakened state when you die, according to the Nanda Western traditions.
The question is not the experience. The question is the recognition. And so we will do us ourselves a great deal of good if we can, in fact, like you're saying, start this detachment as we age, that's what the aging process is inviting and then eventually commanding. Into that the word is none DRO aging is a nun DRO a preliminary practice for death where you're being forced, invited and then forced to let go right your loot eventually you're losing everything you're losing. Hearing capacity, skin texture, cognitive abilities, muscle mass and muscle tone. I mean, just if you're over 50 Just look at what's happening. take a good hard look in the mirror. It's already happening. It starts really around age 24 when you when you really stop the full apex of the growth cycle. So that is nature's way to invite you to let go before you're forced to. And so this is actually a really big deal not only practically because this will remove all this unnecessary suffering if we're attached we will suffer in direct proportion to our attachment. And some people say oh, you know, this, this Buddhist thing I remember there was a story, a true story. We're sharing we're trying to rip the chains and one of my main teachers taught a lot about roads, some really brilliant stuff on the borders. He was teaching a program in Crestone, and somebody raised this hand and they went on this little rant about oh, you Buddhists. You're You're You're so depressing. Always he talks about his old age and sickness and suffering and death and he went on and on just kind of railing against the kind of pessimism. So to speak of Buddhism and trying to remedy a lesson listen completely, unflappable, economist and basically simply said at the end, all day sickness, death and suffering are not Buddhist inventions. This is just reality. We may not like it. And sometimes I get flack from people. It's like oh, it's just like, Oh, it's so whatever. Well, it's already there's gravity. I can't do anything about gravity. And there's death. Nobody can do anything about death. But you can't prepare. And so for me, this has been a large part of my life. I look very closely at Hey, in fact, this is such a central question. That really this is the question that led to the Buddha's enlightenment under the Bodhi tree. 2600 years ago, he started at death he started at the end, and he worked his way back in a very sophisticated deep linking deconstruction process. You can start seeing the phenomena of death. To its fundamental ideology or cause which is ignorance. And so really, in a very, in a very profound way, the entire seat of the Buddhist tradition and other wisdom traditions as well as born from the deep reflection and contemplation on impermanence and death. And so the sooner we get the grip on this, the better the more we can actually prepare because otherwise, what constitutes an ungraceful exit is grasping holding on attachment. And so literally, what are we literally not metaphorically? What are we literally the most attached to this form? This body? We're literally attached to this body. And so learning how to dissociate I'm sorry, not dissociate, differentiate from exclusive identification with foreign body. That's what ego is. That is a colossal part of the path, letting go releasing, dying to our attachment to form most archetypically represented as attachment to body and so this is this is a such sensuality, that when we die again, I I could talk about this for hours. In fact, that's what I'll be talking about with Bob Thurman in the program. So I just think a little bit when we die, what takes place is the unconscious mind takes control the some Skaros habit patterns, that's what dictates the dying process. And of all the some scars that we have is called Baba samskaara. That the heaviest of all the samskaras is that habit for habituate the habit for habitation itself, our belief and form our exclusive identification with form and so, there is so much to say about this that fundamentally this is where the colossal teachings on emptiness come into play. That when we die, we take on existence because we believe in existence we take on form because we believe in form we take on a body because we believe we're somebody it's really that Newtonian it's that causality it's that black and white. You will take on the body
involuntarily driven by karmic impulse because you believe you're somebody. So the entire path is really kind of death in slow motion, differentiate from these levels. of gross form into really really subtle forms because those are the forms that do not dissolve. Those are the forms that do not die. And so your question here Pam, I'll let her go for now. Because whoo this is this is all the Bardo teachings are set around this question all the teachings on emptiness around this question, but to come back to your point what you said is really the core thing. Things like pacemakers, hip replacements, all that really just put that aside, that doesn't really matter. I don't I doubt you're attached to your hip replacement, or your dentures or whatever. I mean, maybe what are you really attached to literally your body so you painted Pam The key is to detach from exclusive identification with body. Now that doesn't mean we should like dismiss our body and do all these super crazy aesthetic type things. No, no treasure the form but don't identify with it. Love without attachment. I just came back from the gym. It's one reason I was a few minutes late. I'm sitting there and I'm death playfully by working out I often say you know health it's just the slowest way to die. And so I still exercise I still every I eat well, I do everything I can to keep this form alive as long as I possibly can I'm not saying that. But I'm also extremely aware of how identified I am with this thing. And how I will suffer in direct proportion to that level of identification. So remember this what ego is. Ego is exclusive identification with form. Ego is Freud's it egos first and foremost a body ego. So start by letting go of this. So, boy, this is a great question. Let it go for now because this sees an entire week of teachings. So that's a great one. Okay, oh, from Barry Oh, my dear friend Berry's thunder. Wonderful. One of my favorite people. What book or books do you recommend for explaining the symbolism found in the wheel of lifetime got the baba chakra. Oh, okay. Well, this ties in a little bit to the previous question in that the baba Chakra The Wheel of Life, which is this incredibly sophisticated. depiction I often have it behind me and what I have a huge Tonka that I infer all behind me when I teach on this topic. I obviously don't have it with me because I didn't get these questions in time. But the reason I mentioned this and then I'll tell you very where you can go. Is that what the Buddha actually what what ends up being depicted in the wheel of life is in fact this 12 Step detox this 12 Step deconstruction process. The contents of enlightenment the Buddha you know, if you look remember the Wheel of Life held my Yama the lord of death, the outer rim of the wheel of life are 12 separate little links vignettes that represent the 12 links of causation but dependent origination of which everything arises and it starts with the first Madonna ends with death. And so this is the depiction so very there's there's a fair amount of literature here. Whoa, you know, a couple of my favorites, Francesca Fremantle. If you haven't read it yet very good to get this book. Luminous emptiness understanding the Tibetan Book of the Dead she's a rock star, this this she's an amazing individual. And this is an unbelievable book. And what I like about Francesca, the first half of the book is all about the doctrinal preparation to understand the Book of the Dead, which is pretty impenetrable if you don't have the prep and she has one chapter devoted to the 12 length, the 12 Madonna's the wheel of life, and what I really like about your exposition is most people go from one to 12. She goes from 12 to one, exactly what the Buddha did when he woke up and I'm pretty sure she has relatives of some St. Teachings there and they own the iconography and the symbolism, if not other sources would be literally a book thing is called the meaning of life by His Holiness Dalai Lama. That's another one. The one of my favorites is actually by a tie master pa uto ke a Yu TT Oh, I think it's literally called just to connect origination. Trump barber che also wrote I can't remember where it's in the collected works, but I don't know where he also wrote a really pretty brilliant exposition on the 12 links, but I can't, I can't source that and don't Collected Works. It's it isn't one of those I'd have to kind of go through them to figure that one out.
Those are the ones that immediately come to mind my friend. There are others other authors are working on the Gary bucket is writing a really interesting thing interesting. One or two volumes set on the 12 links. But that won't be out for a little while. There's a ton out there, but those are the ones that come to mind. First and foremost. Barry and if I can think of the the volume of I can do it up. I'll just email you where were the collected works. To permutate talks about because I know he wrote Sonic as well. Okay, here we go. So there's this from Jeremy. Thanks so much for everything you do. You're welcome. I am a student of Buddhism under Lama champagne who are very good. So that's Lama shampoo and hookah. My guess she's awesome, but that's who you're referring to. She's terrific. In fact, last time I saw her was actually with Francesca in London, if that's what you're referring to. So I mostly follow the Maha Mudra. So 10 traditions. Excellent. Hey, I was wondering if you could share a know of any specific prayer that one could recite upon awakening during the night. Before going back to bed for acidity, I do pray to Guru Rinpoche and Amitabha Well, I feel a strong devotion to that's awesome. But I do not have any specific prayer chant that I could recite. I'm finding it hard to stay awake for for long upon awakening, before drifting off again. So I think a specific text or prayer would be useful to keep the mind a bit more vivid. Yeah, yes, there is. Some stuff Jeremy and I will see in the course of when people are coming up if I can find it. I have a prayer. I'm quite certain. And I just pulled this off the shelf before I sat down. That comes from actually Guru Rinpoche. So there is some liturgy around this I have several again, I didn't see these questions and time to really do the legwork to pull this off for you. But I'll see if I can track this down. If not promise top of the list for next time. I'll just have to do a little legwork. I do a particular prayer that comes from the six years of Naropa but unfortunately, I am these are things that can't share their require was called a long and I don't have the capacity to do that in this format. But I what you're saying here is really great Jeremy to have some type of liturgy. Either official, or here's what I would do my friend and I did this one. I was in my long retreat. This is no kidding. I created my own prayer. So I did the classic one from the 1600s because that's traditional. I memorized it. But then I actually created my own. I mean, why not? Why not write your own aspiration prayer. The only thing you have to do is start every sentence with the word may right may i but somewhat light hearted but also very actually quite serious here. Write your own prayer. Because the words you know, it's the feeling that's important. The words are just carriers for the feeling. And so I can dig up some of this traditional stuff. But I am not kidding here at all. Jeremy when I say empower yourself, write your own prayer, write down your own aspiration that comes from your heart. It will have as much juice because it's it's being propelled by your belief and your devotion and compassion or whatever. Trust me on this it will have as much power as something official and if you want to get some kind of footing for this read the parable of the truth, the parable, the truth. i It's about this woman who really believe that this particular tooth was the tooth of the Buddha and it wasn't. But her belief was so powerful that it overrode the physicality that this was not the Buddhist tools. And she had so much devotion and respect and love and care for this relic didn't actually created this kind of blessing power as if it was the place to so read that parable and I am not kidding when I say empower yourself and write your own inspiration, write your own prayer. But with that said, I'll see if I can dig up. There's several traditional ones. I'll see if I can grab those. Okay. From Tim made him a whole individual life has been made up of a composite of our experiences. Indeed. As I get older, these experiences seem more and more dreamlike. And thought like in nature, excellent Bye friends, because they are dreamlike. They are empty in nature. That's what emptiness means. There there is no inherent reality to them. They're just as ephemeral as a as a puff of smoke. Back to him, we know that thoughts are changing and impermanent and therefore not ultimately real. Yes, these are all expressions of emptiness and permanence is the expression of emptiness. What are your thoughts on those life experiences that made us what we are as individuals?
Okay, what happens to them when we die? I would like to think of them being stored in some collective sense, rather than just disappearing and perhaps being of some use to others. Also. I appreciate anything you could share about this topic. Okay, Tim? Um, it depends on who you ask. So here's the deal with the storage tracing of the storage thing. This is a little interesting actually, what happens to them when they die? What happens to our thoughts and those life experiences that make us up as individuals? Well, if they don't, if the thought actually arises, Tim and itself liberates. It's not stored. It doesn't leave a trace. There's no karmic residue. It just arises and dissolves like a campfire spark. Bingo. No trace, no storage gone. However, most thoughts don't do that most thoughts we either repeat, I heard one study that says 90% of what we thought think today is exactly what we thought yesterday. Look at your own mind and see the truth of that. And so we're constantly recycling this kind of recycling process where we just reliving these loops those puppies get buried. They get buried in your substrate consciousness they get buried in your Alia Digi nada, and that's literally called a storehouse consciousness. Perhaps of being some use to others. I have to chuckle here a little bit, my friend. I'm afraid not. They, in fact, he may not be that much used to you, but there and again, this depends on the tradition and I'll talk about a different school that has a slightly different track on this. So at this point, I'm just I'm not talking from personal experience here. I'm talking about the traditions and what they say in this Buddhist tradition, the traces it gosh, there's so much to say here. The traces that we leave are really of no benefit to others. Unless those traces somehow are beneficial, and therefore are helpful traces the call back chakra beaches that then get implanted into our next mindstream that that we could use for the benefit of ourselves and others in that next incarnation. But in terms of understanding you do these kind of go into like some collective pool. No, not that not according to the Buddhist tradition, they just reside in your own Santana, your own mind stream your own substrate consciousness. They don't really they're not really a benefit to others. In that regard. However, with that said, there are different traditions. Certain Hindu schools, talk about the Akasha they talk about the Akashic records. And this again, I this is an open question for me. I'm a little bit more agnostic on this. There's some of it that does make sense to me. That's also connected to what's called the zero point energy field in physics. There's some some correlations made between those two. And according to this view, the Akasha stores stuff now what exactly it does store is a little bit above my paygrade. I can't really say but I do know that according to that view, and you might want to look at for what Laszlo wrote a book on this, if you just Google Akasha, aka SHA or Akashic field you'll get up a ton of literature on this. I know a little bit about it that just enough to be dangerous. So I can't speak with too much authority about that. But one thing that I think maybe we're looking at here, Tim is this but what comes to mind and I don't know if this is something that will land with you
is this whole notion that Ernest Becker, this wonderful anthropologist wrote about in appeals, the prize winning book that was massively influential, called The Denial of Death. It's an amazing book. And in this book, he coins this whole notion of immortality projects, and how it is that is either through our children or through our legacy or through our books, to our arts to through whatever. We want to leave some trace some record of our existence and you can see this going back all the way to Ramsey's and the Egyptian tradition I mean, just look at history. Napoleon, I mean, you know, I want to leave my mark on reality. Well, we might want to take a look at the motivation behind that, right. I mean, isn't that just ego speaking? So, that's a little bit what comes to mind is like, why do you want to leave a legacy? open question. I mean, what is it? What is it in that department that is of some interest to you? So I can speak a little bit on the Buddhist ends. If a thought arises, self liberates leaves no trace whatsoever no karma created. If the thoughts repeated, repeated, repeated actually, that's what creates identity identity comes from the root Edom, which means literally over and over. And so those types of patterns they have colossal impact. They what happens to them when they die? Well, those are the ones that become some scars. Those are the ones that then inform you. So we might want to take a look at that. What types of thoughts are you continually reiterating repeating? What type of identity are you clothing yourself with over and over? If it's noble, if it's good, then that's great, then that's good karma that will take good care of you. And that's actually really good. So not all this stuff is bad. You can have you know, living your life with loving kindness, bodhichitta kindness, service of others, that's colossally important. So that's a part that will sustain that does maintain some type of momentum, some type of push. But anyway, I'll let that go because I can't really speak too much about the Akasha thing. I do find it interesting. In terms of karmic fields and that kind of stuff. It's very interesting, but the Buddhist don't really go there. That's more Hindu territory. Okay, well, that's one written and then we'll go live. From Ayane I'm a practitioner by Gianna for 40 years. Very good. Student was the student of Trungpa Rinpoche terrific. Practice Dream Yoga 10 years ago with some success but let it slide in recently felt called to revisit good for you. I reread the book by Stephen the bears and I'm keeping a dream diary. Yes, Stephen has written about for at this point, but probably a second book, exploring the world of lucid dreaming that's probably when you're talking about doing prompts during the day falling asleep with intention to become lucid etc. Good for you. I am noticing that I'm not becoming lucid in my dreams after a month or so, of intending to do so even though I'm following the protocols. I'm recording regular dreams that are chaotic. And have a ridiculous bizarre qualities that make no sense at all. Yeah, that's worth just a quick comment. Not all thoughts really carry any impact at all. A lot of thoughts. There's a broad spectrum of thoughts. I'm sorry dreams. There's a broad spectrum of dreams from neurological noise, which is fundamentally meaningless. All the way to what are called the authentic are these so called big super clear chains. Those are life changers, but the neurological noise dreams. Just those are nothing that doesn't mean they can't be used for the purposes of lucid dreaming and Dream Yoga. For sure. But whether they carry any import, probably not. Okay, I'm wondering what is up and why is this practice so difficult? For me at this time, Oh, and if I hit a quarter for every time I was asked this question I could retire I'll get back to a little bit it's making me wonder if I'm crazy. No, you're not crazy. Well, your student a trooper, ha So you follow crazy with tradition. So you probably look crazy, but in a good way. Or maybe I have some deep block to work through adrenal acidity at this time. I practice meditation every day. So can't understand why there was such a black to being emitted at night until I started this practice until I restarted this practice. I didn't remember many dreams, but now I am keeping a dream diary again. I'm writing down partying like dreams that make no sense maybe Yeah, you don't have to write all those down. You just have to remember a couple of dreams. You don't have to chart all that kind of stuff down. Just write the dreams that have some impact some momentum. It does help it first and if you want to increase dream recall yes to do what you're saying. But at a certain point, that kind of stuff. You can let that go. And just strengthen your intention and work with writing down or recording the dreams that have some import because otherwise oh my gosh, you're gonna be spending half the morning writing your dreams down. That's not a good use of time.
By debate you deserve by the chaos of my outer world. That's a really interesting comment. I live in California where there's a lot of tension and unease in the community around the so called pet Kim and Kim pandemic. Can you provide any insight? Yeah. Oh, man, I talk a lot about this. And so I'm going to refer you to a couple of resources. So I don't just have to repeat myself. But let me say something about the end they can comment here. May I be disturbed by the chaos in my outer world experience? At this time? Yes, that could be what part of what's going on? Perhaps I mean, maybe you can connect us to the Akasha thing who knows? But this this kind of collective meal you have duress and stress on the dark age thing. It definitely has individual effects. It can definitely kind of you know, it's a little bit like being that if you know a little bit about the Pure Land tradition, right. So kava tea. This relates to the whole Sukabumi principle because one of the reasons you want to go to a pure land is that the environment is so pure. There's so many enlightened beings. There's so many llamas, just imagine an area where everybody is awake, a llama a bodhisattva, but you name it. You can't help but be positively influenced by that. Well, playing a little bit on words we don't live in sukawati We live in Ducati. We live in the Dark Age of suffering. And conversely, just as you have high center of gravity that can lift you up. You also have collective low center of gravity's think of where we are right now. They can drag you down, for sure. And this is why you know this is why you do protect your practices. This is why you engage and protect your principle. This is why you have a sound guy, this is why you do all these ritualistic things you know about setting boundaries and all that stuff. That is in fact to work with this kind of negative gravitational effect. So I can't say with any authority, how much of an impact this is having on you. That's really almost impossible to say. But is it having an effect? Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think on one level, we know this and there's been some interesting studies, both recently Deidre barette has done some from Harvard. Previously, there's people who did this in relation to dreams around the third right? That they did collective pool, statistical analysis that people that having dreams during these horrific times, and absolutely positively What a surprise. People were really powerfully negatively affected by what was happening. In the world. So for sure, so with you, I might you know, I don't know where you are with your protector practices. I don't know where you are with your standard stuff, sending boundary principles, that kind of thing, but a lot. As a boundary yard practitioner, you can do that. The other stuff I'm going to refer you to other resources, because I've really said a lot about this and other venues. Or, you know, if you look at if you're a nightclub member and the webinar series early on, there should be descriptions in there 234 Or five entire webinars devoted to the different types of obstacles. I'm going to refer you to those. In the hybrid Press book I published last December, The Lucid Dreaming workbook. I have a quite extensive section in there about working with obstacles. These are the more kind of common traditional obstacles that are really worth paying attention to. And so because the topic is so big, and because I've talked about it so many times and so they're different, so many other different avenues. I'm going to refer you to those avenues with your permission, and then leave you with perhaps the new contribution about how the environment or environment can have this really negative
effect on us. Okay. But don't be last comment is don't be discouraged. That's one of the reasons Dream Yoga is considered advanced is it takes an advanced attitude to do it and to sustain it and what makes advanced practitioners advanced and advanced is they never give up. You just keep going doesn't matter. Every single day you do your aspirations, you do your practices. You wrap up your formal induction stuff. So all the things you know the the other thing is we're throwing into the mix here connected to the real life issue. Is that lucid dreaming. Lucid Dreams don't arise in a vacuum. They arise in a dependent originated way. And this is why my approach if you're not familiar with it, I go all over the map with my stuff I talk about all these different vectors and strands. They call conspire to bring about either lucidity or necessity and that's why this question is not such a simple one to just all there it is your problem is this Oh Ma. I mean I'd have to talk to you for three hours to figure that out. But usually these things that usually, lucidity are now acidity is brought about in this CO conspiratorial, systemic holistic way. And so you have to have all these factors into play starting with Sheila Samadhi prajna you know, that trifecta. Starting with good motivation, starting with good dream recall starting with induction method, starting with blah blah blah. You get all those puppies in a row. And hey, guess what? lucidity doesn't stand a chance. You're gonna have lucid dreams all over the place. So unless you want to come on in and ask something specifically around all this and really great question, but I'm going to refer you to the other sources where I reflect that okay. So the meantime, we can turn to some live ones and I will also screen we'll scroll through the
yeah, there were quite a few that came in through the chat. So
yeah, well, let's get a couple of people have been waiting here. Yeah, absolutely. At least one person. I'll scroll through here. Oh, is it for Cara? It's me. Yeah. Yeah. Fire away. Hey,
let me start my video. Hi, Andrew. It's on time. Um, so I had a comment in an offering maybe a talking point. And an offering. So I think since September, I've been doing this shamatha eight day workshop with ALAN WALLACE and Anya it's so amazing, but I've just been cycling it so I've been doing, I guess there are 26 half hour sessions of meditation. So I've just been doing two a day. So that's a lot of months of doing this retreat with them. And something happened recently around a dental thing, which I thought was kind of funny that you were a dentist is that I kept going to the dentist because I needed a tooth pulled I'd let it go to the point. And I couldn't get the tooth pulled, I would go to the office, I would set up the appointment, I'd go in the back room. And I would say you know, I just can't do it and he'd say, Okay, well, we'll see you next time and I did this three times. And finally I said to him, you know, I just don't know how I'm going to do this. So this why I'm saying this is I finally did have my tooth pulled. But for since I've been little if I can look at something like stitches or any kind of injury, as long as I can visually see it I relax so telling me to lay back in a dentist's chair is not going to happen. So coincidentally with the meditation themes, um, meditation on the breath, specifically like the asana method and then breathing in at the nostrils the instruction is very clearly not to visualize parts of the body. So in discussing this tooth thing with a therapist I've been talking with, he said, Wait a minute, and he came back and he said, we do you mean that you can't and visualize because like if you said to me, focus on the air coming in on the sensation of the air coming in at the nostrils, I would have to work to see my nostrils. And I said, Are you kidding? And he said, No, I You said so. Are you saying that? You my visual is so coupled to every sensation I have, which also makes sense in blockage of lucid dreaming because I believe what I see so hard for me to Unbeliev the visual. So this all just coincided. And I've been working to decouple the visual but I'm so surprised that like speaking of the reification of this, you know, I'm in my body. I'm in my body this checking every 10,000 times a second I'm not sure what else to do. I just go through the cycle of meditations without one at two a day and figure that one day. I'm going to know how to do it and I just tried to relax. I try to do less and less and less.
Oh wow, boy. You threw a lot of noodles against that wall. So which part of this do you want to focus on?
Well, this decoupling, I mean, it was a revelation to me that like I don't know. Okay, here's the mystifying thing. I can't feel anything this may not be true, but it happened so fast that I can't even have a physical sensation without an image of it. That is just like, astounding to me. So apparently Everybody isn't like this. So like it's it's, it's doubly hard for me to uncouple
let me ask you something. I mean, part of what comes to mind is actually what this tantric tradition talks about. Which is which is really the Indigo unless you're this is what's happening with you, but this is what comes to mind that basically what whatever we really experience is, in fact, mental. In other words, it's it's an image of what's actually happening. So the reason I throw this is because can you tell the difference if what you're having is actually a visualization or more like a mental signature or imprint of what you're actually feeling? Because if it's just like a mental imprint of what you're feeling, then that's just the way the mind works. The mind just works in this representative way. So it's not clear to me if that's what you're saying,
Oh, well, that's very interesting because No, I'm not actively Well, okay. So let's say I'm focusing on the air coming in at my nostrils, and I'm only focusing on when the air comes in and goes out just at the rim of the nostril. Well, I find it impossible to feel that sensation. Without awesome. Seeing the nostril.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So then that's the six consciousness barging in, on one through five. And so I'm curious, have you had a chance in this class with Elon to ask Elon this question or one of the
banal because he's just recording so I've just been doing the eight day retreat like 25 times.
Here's a couple things that come to mind. First of all, I would celebrate, instead of cheating yourself, celebrate the insight that you've noticed the instant and at the rapidity of the six consciousness to come in and a pen, it's almost immediate commentary on on the other five consciousnesses. So that in itself is really that's a really somewhat powerful insight, that we rarely it's how do they say it there's no such thing as an immaculate perception. 30 It's very rare. Until the mind is actually really kind of processed or to shinjang settled for you, in fact, to have a completely pure, non conceptual experience. And so the fact that you can actually suss that out, I would, I would do a little high five and say, That's actually pretty cool. Do you actually been able to resolve that? That's just what the mind does. The six consciousness comes in lightning fast, either bringing a visualization which is almost immediately followed by a set of commentaries or whatever, the mental consciousness immediately slaps his commentary on top of consciousnesses. One through five. That's just what it does. Okay, so the fact that you're actually seeing that is that's actually no small discovery. And so now what you can do is just let simply just recognize that recognition and liberation or simultaneous and just let it go. Another sense arises you bring immediately a lightning strike rapidity of the sixth consciousness comes slapping back in and realize, Wow, this is amazing. There's there's this wonderful term in the Sanskrit it's called Tabata caught up, which is this, the sense of amazement of wonder and awe and this is really a very interesting comment because, or term because what it can help you do that is instead of beating yourself up about some seemingly inadequate whatever propensities around these meditations, you can celebrate you can say, oh my gosh, isn't this amazing? Look how fast my mind is.
Yeah, it did amaze me because it explained why I couldn't get a tooth pulled. If I could have watched him pulling my tooth. I would have been totally fine with it been this way since I'm five like letter watch, you know? And, um, but so the other thing I guess that's happening too is that when I'm using my mind as the object of meditation, and I am now I'm so glad he said that pictures are a form of subtle thought because that doesn't differentiate it to me before. But now when I when I can perceive these subtle thoughts now I labeled them you know, I can catch them but I still name them which is extraordinary.
You don't have to name them just just
know I don't have to but I've my brain is so I'm wondering, is there a point where I'm gonna work where an image will arise where I don't have to name it. I will be beautiful,
too. It's a it's a deconstruction de automatization process. And right usually what happens is, we're the mind is moving so fast. We don't even know what the automatization means. We don't realize that we're running on this kind of automatic ignorance. process. We all right, and so when when you start to further slow the mind down with shamatha eventually you start to see your passion so that you're already inserting some of the passionate here so high five. Yeah, we haven't seen before. Now eventually, when you when you start to insert some space by slowing down now like exactly like you're saying, now you can start to relate to the six consciousness crushing it instead, you can really chew it instead of from it. And so yes, you started initially with the labeling thing, that's fine. Eventually you'll get to the point where like, I mentioned earlier, the thoughts, even the sensation, the sensation will arise, there may be the immediate kind of allocation of a thought six consciousness onto that. But eventually, with some practice, you will start to notice how that starts to just evaporate. Because it's just going up. It's just there's nothing there to give. Attraction.
And actually, in the awareness of awareness, meditations that he's giving us I am having some really beautiful moments where things are disappearing. So
I mean, if you're working with Alan urine, really great hands. Yeah.
I can't believe how I mean, I can never listen enough. And one thing I was having trouble with was my motivation, because he asked at the beginning of every session, and I always forget, you know, the bigger your motivation and then he gives an example of the Bodhisattva you know, and I can't love everybody yet. So I made up my own. I made up my own I started with a kernel of love, and I'm hoping that it will grow but here's my new affirmation is make tracks which means don't rush but hurry the fuck up. Leave tracks do it for others, as well as yourself, follow tracks. Be very sensitive to who's giving you the information, take those and become a tracker. So that's my that's my new aspiration is to become a tracker.
I love it. Yeah, because like Milarepa said, hasten slowly. Hey, I love it. awesomely cool stuff and just hanging out, you know, just hang in there. Just keep going. Let's just say, you know, keep going to stop right? You're slow down more and more, you'll discover more. You'll have more space in your mind more space in your heart and you'll slowly start to notice the decoupling of these the linking what's called linking thinking, you'll start to decouple D link the six consciousness from the running commentary on all these other sense faculties, you actually will improve your perception. So eventually you will have an immaculate perception. But just the fact that you realize the stain, that's half the problem. You know, if you don't even know you have a problem, how are you ever going to solve it? So this is a very subtle problem. And so you're just the fact that yeah, I want to I want to leave you with a really a pat on your back. Just the fact that you can articulate what you did is no small accomplishment. So good for you and keep up. Keep it up.
Cool. All right. Hey, Mara.
Hello. Hi there. Happy New Year to you.
Happy New Year to you, too. So there's so many questions. You'd lately have been on a row I mean, you've been just sending so much information at once that it's like whiplash. But anyway, you went really fast with that new program that you're offering in the beginning. When are you given a little bit more information about that training or certification of all
those hours? Yeah, we're I was slightly hesitant to even mentioned it because it's not 100% there, but it's 90% there and so I'm gonna I'll say a little bit, but a lot of it is still it will be released, the whole program, the content that everything is being offered, hopefully within the next six weeks is what we're shooting for. But basically, it's going to be I've been really thinking about doing this literally for like 10 years. About eight years ago, a very, extremely generous friend came up he just drafted this must be taken 100 hours. Listen, incredibly elegant, articulate description of how we could actually create and craft a completely rigorous This was before preparing to die was even published. Preparation for people like you and me and others who are like looking at the end of the station that were in the sannyasa phase and saying, Hey, wait a second. I want to be as ready as I possibly can for dying. And so we are now going to implement that through. Like I mentioned over 100 hours of content. A cohort that will be guided with with weekly discussion things it's going to be the most rigorous systematic thing I have ever done. Interviewing experts and blah, blah, blah. So outside of just that initial fingerpainting. Okay, more to be said on it, but we're pretty diehard.
He's going really really fast. I really,
yeah, we're pretty excited. Because we've been working on this for years, and finally, it's coming together. We're gonna be doling it out, starting hopefully, our aspiration is to get it kicked off right around the time of the Big mela program at the end of February. But we'll see so stay tuned. Thanks for your interest and you'll be the first to know.
Thank you. Second thing I mean, I want to share a little bit of a dream because I'm curious, but also it seems to me you often tell us that it's such a joke and I was listening to Kara and her devotion to her practice and how we all can relate to that discipline that she's having in a way and admire it. But it's almost like the more that we seek every time that we get to a certain level. We just have to stay back and just completely relax. It's almost like you have to let go. It's a contradiction completely. That the more we seek, we can get addicted to the fix that we get with every little nugget of knowledge, but then we just have to let it go. Because it's only in the letting go that you really experienced the nature of
your mind is your reality. It's true. All right. It's the juxtaposition the delicate dance between relative and absolute path that was an absolute truth. On one level, absolute level. You don't have to do a thing. Just literally just open relax. That's it deal. That's over. But for most people that's a little bit too steep. Not enough stability in our left hand side. So then we have all the relative approaches. That's the path or the countless different skillful means the practices, the tools, the teachings, that are fundamentally all there to support this fundamental agenda of relaxation and opening which again, tying us into the death thing. That's what death forces right I mean, death. It's a strange little gig death forces this ultimate relaxation, this ultimate release this ultimate opening. And so we work with both those vectors right because most of us don't have that kind of stability. We have to engage the relative laws of causality and karma lost your future habit patterns. So we work with both approaches. We engage both those that curious of the spiritual path. Are you still there? Yes, no, maybe she may have disappeared.
Oh, I don't think she can hear you.
Okay. Well, I'm not sure what area you can. I'm not sure what happened.
I'm not sure either.
Maybe you can see that. Are we running an auto transcript on this one? Yes, we are. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I wish I could, you know,
message. Oh, it looks like we kicked her off now.
Okay, you just completely bumped her. Okay.
I'll send her a message and we'll let her know.
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back. I'm back. Oh, there you are. Okay. Yes, I do not know. It's just too much electricity coming through. But anyway, I get it. But let me ask you something about a dream that I had. It was a lucid dream. And it was at the beginning and I'm doing my practice is and I'm doing pretty intense and it was kind of dark and i i know that i It's not about so much as to the content but the energy that last year after that. So I mean the dream in all this so then I having a I would be having a stroke and the dream is still I mean that I'm going to have a stroke. And my sister says to me, no. I said, Well, this is a dream. And I said, No, you have to have it. So I had it and I was kind of strong. So I begin to come out of the dream knowing that I was in the dream and I noticed that you have to go back because you're burning those seeds. So just go back in there and whatever it is now you burned it in I went there and says oh is this a sprint? So about five minutes later I wake up but the energy not knowing whether I was going to have a stroke or not or whether my mind is telling me because what I know about dreams, that that could be a possibility. I'm not going there. But the energy of the dream lasted about five hours. I would say I feel it in my head I would feel it in parts of my body to the point that I say okay, if I have another symptom, I will have to go to the doctor.
So when you say when you say energy, be more it can be more explicit. What do you mean by energy? The feeling type, positive, negative?
No, I would feel electric things in my head. My feet were light. I would have a current on my head to the point that I felt like it could be a TIA. Oh, yeah. And so I said, Well, this is kind of silly. The body could be telling me and it could be many things. I'm not asking you regarding whether it was a true experience. So whether it was a premonition what I'm asking is that energy that sometimes last after a dream in the body? What is the physical part of it? Oh, yeah,
for sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's just that you know that that's the the subtle body right? So when you're in the dream, your subtle body and subtle mental content. And so that subtle body energy can be opened and released and that can not only last for five hours that can last a lifetime. I mean, that that type of access, that something's been open, something's been released on some Skaara has been purified. Irrespective, like you said, and I really I'm not qualified to go into like, is it a Stroke of Insight? Is it a stroke of who knows what I don't really want to go there. But I think the important thing is what you're alluding to that that you can in fact, have this kind of opening in your subtle body. They can have repercussions in your gross physical body, not just for five hours, but for five days, five years, because there's a lot of energy trapped in the subtle body. I mean, tremendous energy. And so when it opens, you can feel this kind of electrification you can feel lighter, freer, less burdens almost lit up. And that's really indicative of of these knots being released at the level of a subtle body. So that's what comes to mind around that. That's a pretty cool event.
Yeah, I felt like I put my hands in the socket and then I felt like my feet were not on the ground.
kind of yucky. Yeah. Okay. And that's always just and that's indicative of all the energy that we actually have trapped in our bodies. I mean, we are we are so there's so much energy like It's like nuclear fission, in our bodies all trapped up lifetimes. of energies trapped up. And so as we start to engage in the spiritual path, sometimes serendipitously, sometimes directly with very specific targeting practices, sometimes a combination of those two solo body processes or open relaxed and all this doom on thermonuclear energy this within you Well, guess what? Now it starts to come up. And so that's, you can say, Hindu language expression of Kundalini being released is probably long, you can throw off 100 Different names on it. But fundamentally, this process of opening releasing and being electrified lit up by that that's, you know, it's another really high five event, so cool. Okay, thank you. So much. Welcome. Thank you. Hi, Andrew. Nice to see you.
Good to see you. Good to see you. I had a quick question I wanted to kind of check in with you. During meditation, like open awareness meditations, I often tend to after 1520 minutes tend to enter into a zone of like relaxation, and a place that seems like sleep it is not sleep because I come out of it at the end of the meditation and I have awareness let's say if I'm following a guided meditation i i know that I'm hearing but I have no memory or recall what I what is that I heard. And I guess my question is that I feel maybe there is an element of like, lethargy or dullness there. Yeah. And if that is something, is there something I can Yes, you guys. It's been happening for quite a long time.
That's yeah. Good comment. Good question. That's a really common consequence of open awareness, especially up front you know, because you're with his practice, which is an unbelievably powerful practice. You're in a certain way you're you're inviting a really spacious quality of mind almost like mixing your mind with space, right? And so near enemy of that spaciousness and space Enos and so the near enemy altogether open awareness is lethargy. Moreso than excitation excitation is a principle enemy of the referential practices formed based meditations, that non referential practices which open awareness is the first the propensity for error then comes to be exactly like you said, laxity. And so what you can do there I think what you're feeling is exactly right, the mind is entering almost a liminal space, almost a hypnagogic kind of space. And so what you can do, there are several things one is, I'm not sure what you're doing with your eyes and whatnot, but you can read you can raise your gaze, focus your attention, because if your gaze is really open and diffused, that that can initially create a kind of diffused laxity kind of response to divide, so you can focus your gaze a little bit more directly. You can also look at your posture because you may find that while you're doing it, your posture is actually getting a little soggy. So you can you can like raise your shoulders up, raise your, your almost your head neck up a little bit. You can also take one or two or three really slow, deep energizing breaths. And these can be what I do when I feel this is I will take you know a really slow inhalation that will take me maybe eight seconds to just completely fill my lungs. Bring it all the way in and then I'll actually hold it for 1520 seconds or so. And I will feel that energy that long that prana just like energizing my body. Then I release and I'll take another really deep energizing breath release. If I'm still soggy then I stand up. I'll take one more approach. I'll actually just stand up. If that doesn't quite do it, I'll actually do a little walking meditation. You know, working bit at that point I released a little bit of the open awareness of a formal strategy. So I'm mixing that with a little bit of walking meditation. You can also this is a good place if you know any of the Luciano body practices, the body training stuff. Like I don't know if you know those practices. Kenan like the dignified dance OpenTok has that kinis There's a one set of really wonderful physical practices you can do that are designed to bring up alone. And then if that doesn't work, drop the whole thing and take a nap but this is really, it's really common. It's almost like a yoga nidra type space, they can be invited. And so when you're when you're sharing is extremely common. And so that's why these antidotes let me just repeat them. Raise your gaze. Focus your attention. Take a couple of really deep energizing breaths. You can hold them tight in your posture, stand that doesn't work, walk and then repeat. And then if that doesn't happen, there's also the really important principle of just fresh start, drop the whole bloody thing. Let the whole thing go. Let your posture collapse let's let's just throw the practice out the window just collapse, crash out literally, physically for I don't know a minute or two, whatever and then just start again. And then after a while, if that if those don't work, then it's like geez, you don't want to go into a wrestling match here because it's not gonna help. At that point. I would just say just drop the session altogether, and then just started up again later.
Okay, okay. Thank you so much.
Yeah, yeah, I work with this practice a ton. And these antidotes that I read in the liturgy of I mean, allergies and the standard instructions and then also that I've kind of experimented with over the years for myself so just keep adding, this is a really powerful practice. By
the way, is there any any reference for the lung exercises that you mentioned?
Yes, there's a book by my friend rose Taylor, called training the wisdom body. And there might be some YouTube stuff out there that she might have done by now. But she describes these work quite beautifully in her book, and I do these. I do these all the time. There is a set of like 1718 exercises. There are some of them are highly energizing. And I do these throughout the day, like when I'm down here and I study and I started to get a little soggy. I'll stand up and do one of these motions for three, four or five minutes and it just completely gets the loan moving. So yeah, Rose Taylor, training the wisdom body. Awesome. Thank you. Cool. Okay. Hey, Mason, and then I'll see if there's anything in the chat column. Fire away over there. Bye.
Hello, hello. Hi. Was there somebody in front of me? I don't think so. Um, alright, um, I just had a question about. So it's a part in the Dream Yoga Book. And it's when you're talking about Eastern techniques. So when you go over the throught visualization technique, there's a part where you mentioned, you know, there's some people who get so hands that they can, you know, just drop the thing. Yeah, they can just drop their consciousness into their throat within a few seconds and, you know, and then you mentioned PDS Pinsky? Yeah. Uspensky Yeah. Right. Yeah. Um, could you like elaborate on that more what what particular like, practice he did if there's a he,
I can't allow every more on what he did. So I can't I just don't know. I mean, I can elaborate a little bit more about the technique altogether. It's a variation of the week initiated lucid dream approach. And I can't see I can't speak where it was Minsky did with it. But yeah, I mean, the idea is that the Queen, what actually creates respect to state this is where the you know, the bindu is like a write about in the book these mind pearls mind drops. They gather in these different energetic centers. today. And where they gather this isn't this isn't the college chakra. It's in dozens of different countries and all the inner yoga stuff. Where these Hindus gather, which they do spontaneously what we know the waking sleeping, Deep Dream cycles of sleep, they do that naturally. What you're doing with these inner yoga is, is you're actually engaging in this process that happens naturally. Now you're doing it volitionally You're actually intentionally able to bring about these types of states of consciousness. And there's some very interesting, really accomplished practitioners who are now being studied in labs that can kind of do this they'll they'll tell the lab, the the lab techs I hate. In 10 minutes, I am going to go into this state. And holy crap there. They are doing the metrics. They're all hooked up and at the 10 minute mark, holy moly, man, this person has just dropped into delta. And so this is not just rhetoric, this is just the the consequence of really practice of practice minds and bodies. They can directly do it. So you can either do it through an inner yogic approach, which is what the throat visualization does. Others can do but through purely so called mental means. They can do it just through intentionality. But it's a more advanced obviously refined approach. That like I mentioned in the book with some familiarity and proficiency you can you can almost like this, a slower version of it would be almost a type of auto suggestion or self hypnosis. We're using the Lotus to the power of association. You do the Lotus enough that as you're working your mind around the lotus in the throat, associating these with the state asleep. You can actually then because there's a bi directional process, right, you're associated with visualization with the phenomenology with the experience. You can then use the visualization to invite the phenomenology see, and then actually step yourself out. That's pretty it's kind of graduate school level. wouldn't tie yourself into knots about it, but you can definitely do it. It's it's actually part usually people who really get savvy at this or those who work a lot with the inner yoga is proper, both mostly in the Buddhist tradition, my what I'm most familiar with, but anybody that works with subtle body systems can do this. And just to show you one kind of over the counter manifestation of this is people are under hypnosis, right? They can raise their body temperature, all kinds of just seemingly absolutely astounding. Miraculous physiological effects can take place even in things like hypnosis, that are just like absolutely mind blowing. Multiple Personality. I mean, I'm super interested in dissociative identity disorder phenomena. NPD. What can happen physiologically to a person when another sub personality takes over? It's absolutely astounding. I mean, one person just to show you again, the power of the mind that will put this in perspective you can have a sub personality come in, that is blind and is paralyzed. Literally, someone from they can't see it, or you can have one that is allergic, it's just absolutely mind bending what the mind can do. And so with some harnessing of the wind energies proficiency and Dream Yoga, you can you can intentionally bring about these states of consciousness through these types of inner yogic practices. They're wildly esoteric for us. I wouldn't say they're commonplace, but they're not uncommon for really seasoned Yogi's. I mean, this is just kind of what they do. So I think it's cool just to put it out there was like whoa, this is this is kind of interesting. This is inspiring, you know, maybe I can do that someday.
So, actually, India, that's really fascinating, because, um, well actually just moved to the Colorado Springs area. Um, do you do you know, any like, particular teachers or organizations that do training like this up subtle body, like stuff like that?
Let me think for a second. Turns on long y'all been Poe? A wonderful master Dream Yoga. He teaches on there he does a lot this you can Google this I hate. It's amazing. I can say I hate to say it well, you can Google sound on TSA, L U N G that's just Tibetan for a little Tigray wins the drops and the channels. Anybody who works with a telco and practices I know Punta Rica, you know, soggy river che a little bit. I'm trying to think of something that has like a formal curriculum. And someone meals the closest one he probably riffs on this more than anybody he's written. A couple of books on this topic. In my classic Tibetan Buddhist scene, which is I'm most familiar with. These things are generally done under the rubric of the six Yogi's have neuropathy. So that's another thing you could Google because there are people who do that. The other one would be he just published the book Yantra yoga Alhamdulillah I can't remember his last name. He works with Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. So I'm through I'm just trying to throw some stuff from the dust the ends up my memory in terms of like who's doing this activity now. That's what comes to mind my friend, I'd have to you know, I have to spend a little bit more time to see who else is doing it because most of the curricula that I was familiar with is no longer extant, it's no longer there. So the traditional training avenues that I was familiar with, they're no longer available. And so that's why these are the only one that I can think of. They work with this a little bit more directly. So I would start with with Tesla rep. Jay Namkhai. Norbu his main student, one of his main students, I'll handle two I can't remember his last name. He wrote a book called Yantra yoga. There's a new one he just published. I think Shambala pub just came out with it. He probably riffs on that level, well, maybe doing something like this. Check out Lunder. Well, it's either New Hampshire, I taught out there with her. She's really great. She just published a book. Reggie ray does this a little bit. He doesn't do it as kind of overt classically but he has a very interesting body approach that works within yoga. So the fact that you're in Colorado Springs, you might want to see what's going on with his scene Dharma ocean, because he's in Boulder and he's teaching a lot in Christo and I'm not quite sure where things are with his community. But he's another one that just came to mind. That's actually someone in the hood that you could check out. Oh, yeah, original Ray, or Reggie Ray. Thank you. Yeah, welcome. I find Okay, let me just say I think it came in in the
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Oh, yeah. Barry preparing today. Can we read that one after we finished Dream Yoga? Okay, if we live long enough, vary. The pace we're going with the Dream Yoga Book will probably be dead before we get to preparing to die book right? But maybe that's another reason we should read a little bit more. Okay, so Francesco, who is preparing like course you mentioned just intended for anybody this fantastic. This course will be made available. No prerequisites, no special requirements. Anybody can take this course. So again, stay tuned. There's a lot to be said about this. For barber at the end of my big interview with Ian Baker, he says that one us one has to be reborn as a male as a cavity. Yeah, that's I don't remember him saying that if he did. It's not true. You're You're a drogyn us there's no sex. There's your that's one reason interestingly enough, there's no suffering. There's one reason there's no suffering into comedies because there's no sexual organs so you're not born as a male if he said that that's that's not accurate. Actually. I can't remember if he did, but if he didn't say it, that's not accurate. You're not male or female. You're androgynous. Oh, there it is. 100 Oh, yeah. Thank you for pulling that up. Ralph. Thank you. Yes. Hi, Tenzin Longo. He was principally a student of NumPy. Norbu. I didn't realize he was studying with with tons of luggage but he was principally the same guy. We're thinking of sci fi of his book here. I don't have it immediately available. I thought he was not a normal student. Anyway. Let me see if there's anything else here
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I posted a link in the chat to it started with the webinar. Number 30. And I think there was five or six of them.
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