Really marketing focused, writing coaching programs. They call them writing coaching, but it's not really writing coaching. They're marketing programs. They're marketing programs run by marketers, and they're all the same. They all have templates and AI prompts. And, you know, here's my notion database that I set up, and all you have to do is click this and click that and you have a post. So that's the
professional sphere writing programs. And then on the other side of the house in like the publishing world, the writing coaching programs are much more creative and communal, and they are about journaling character motivation and getting on Zoom calls for body doubling and pomodoros, very creative, but not practical for a business leader during a typical work day, well, and who's not trying that that's not what their focus is in terms of their writing, is not just being yet. Business people, when I start talking about being more creative in their writing, they get super excited, yeah, yeah. But I mean more creative. And then there's like, the kind of you're writing your novel that's there's like they're not talking about that. Yeah, that's true. So yeah, the gap is between these really practical, but marketing
focused, structured programs that fit into a typical business person's work day and the more creative, free flowing
writing programs where the creativity is spurred, the ideas flow, but they are not tight and structured enough for a typical business leaders day. So that's the gap. What outcomes are people looking for? Like, what are the sort of big promise ideas that you have for your program. Yeah, I'm doing informational interviews, and I'm still, I'm only a couple of interviews in so I'm still gathering research there. From what I'm finding, people are feeling challenged more around writing articles than any other form, which is great for me. I love helping people write articles and getting their ideas down quickly and in good form, without spending weeks and weeks and weeks trying to restructure lacy Lacey's thought leadership program could be a model
for what you're doing where it's like, she's like, you're going to create a signature piece in four weeks, or something like that, and just riffing on that. But for business like people in your area, yeah, and it might be she's, yeah, she's kind of going in a unique direction with her thought leadership lab. Well, I mean copying all the, like, the structure of it, but the idea that, like, you're going to create a thought leadership piece in a certain period of time, you know? And I'm not,
yeah, and that's something I want to explore more in the informational interviews. Because I'm not, I'm not entirely sure that's what these folks are
looking to do
is to create that one
piece there. I see that that made that move, but it's I think that like using that to develop a process for writing ideas, not necessarily like the scale of what she's talking about is much bigger. You may not want that, but it may be like you want to be able to regularly produce these thought leadership projects, you know, where you can talk about your ideas.
Garima lacy is just somebody we both know, who's a copywriter, who's running a writing program. And the you know, they may not want to write like a what she's talking about like the piece, right? But they want to be able to write a chunky, you know, substantial article that really says something and puts a stake in the ground and says, like, these are my ideas in a modest amount of time. So if you do, if you say, like, we're going to do,
you know, an article, and by that process, you're going to be able to do more of them, and we can do more of them. Like, we'll work
together and do more of them, but like, we'll take two weeks or three weeks, write this article, get it out,
get it published. Keep going, you know, like, that kind of thing where it's like, you're going to have a process for distilling these ideas into something very usable quickly and give them that sort of window time frame like this is how we're going to, you know, you're going to learn this process to be able to put these things together. I think that could be useful. And then the reason I ask that is, like, once you kind of, whatever it is, you decide, then I think your lead magnet for that is like
a worksheet to
pull together ideas that they want to write about, or
something that's like a initial step that feels like this is not some kind of long PDF I need to learn. This is just like a quick, like way to start organizing my ideas in a way that I'm going to be able to use, and then that something feels like something that an ad would yeah for Yeah, and
this is good. This is good. So Lacey has this,
I don't know what she's going to call it, a process, a methodology, something like that, that she's calling a value bomb.
And it's a brilliant idea where you create one large piece of content that really shows who you are, something that you can run ads to. And she has a process that she's taking people through to create these value bombs. And I'm like, again, I'm friends with Lacey. I've been I've known her forever. I'm like, she kind of, she invites me into
everything she does, so I do everything that she puts out there as kind of her. I'm a ringer for her sometimes, which is great, because then we can kind of learn from each other, right? And I'm following her process for this value bomb, just as an experiment for myself, and I'm finding it not working for me, and I'm so that's actually really good, because if it's not working for me, that's something that I can examine, yeah, for sure. And it's similar to, like, I have, I'm not in her program, so I'm not seeing what she's doing on the inside. But from what it looks like on the outside, is it's really similar to, like, Andrew chaperones multi page pre sale site where it's like, you have this super long article that's meant to draw people through all your ideas, and then you can do, you can run ads to it, and other stuff like that. And I've done that and helpful, but also, like, an immense amount of work, and way more than you know, if you're like me, you're basically a one person business with help. You know, a little help doing something like that can make sense, because you have this kind of like big tent like this is what I do. If you're a thought leader within a business, you're trying to establish your brand internally to a business. You don't need that, but what you do need is a regular stream of shorter pieces that really, you know, create your internal positioning. And I think that you know language around that, like, how do you make, how do you make your value inside your company clear? You know, it's by creating these articles, you know, writing on LinkedIn, sharing this, you know, with your company, with your the people in your department, like, you know, this is how you, like, get raises and get noticed and get, you know, like, for consultants, it's like, this is how you get the right clients and how you working with people you want to be Working with. It's all through having that. What I think in people in that business think of as personal branding. I don't necessarily think it lines up with what we think of as personal branding, but it's the sense of, like, establishing,
like, I'm working with somebody who's like,
I have a deck. I have to have a deck that defines
me, you know. And I've never encountered this before. I'm like, Okay, you have a deck, you know, but it's like a really important process for her to work through, like, what do I stand for and what do I bring? And writing content around that, and then thinking possibly, like, I want to write a book down the line, you know? So I'm developing this set of ideas around what I think is important
in my field. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, I'm getting ideas. I'm getting great ideas. And and also I'm I have to share that. It's super interesting because,
as I'm following this process that lacy has put into the world, which is working great for her and the business leader, or the business they're like solopreneurs in her group. This is working really well for them. I know my people this would not work for and it's way too demanding. Well, here's the thing, so I'm encountering the exact same problem trying to follow this process that my people are coming to me and saying that they're having with their work.
So I'm experiencing firsthand the challenge that my people
are having, which is brain dump does not equal polished piece I'm willing to put out into the world with my name on it. Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah. And then the time it takes to to polish it, to take a brain dump,
structure it in a the right way, clean it up and put it out into the world. It's better to start with a clean piece to begin with, which requires clarity.
Well, and in general, I think, like,
if you know, and I'm considering doing more of my
own like, value bomb, whatever things they start with what we're doing, they start with research. Like, what do I need to talk about? Like, how do I need to address what's out there? They don't start with just, like, here's stuff I think, you know, yeah. So, yeah, clarity of thought. It's yeah. So it's been really good, and I'm so appreciative that she's letting me participate in this. And I said, coming face to face with the challenge that my own audience is facing is so good for me. Useful. Yes, for sure. Yeah. All right, great. Thank you, of course. Garima, how about you? So I think I can connect with just Jess I as a way of, I know the structure of the program because I've already done it, but what my audience wanted was they preferred was, I think they gave me feedback that if they could see some videos and then talk with me, they can actually see it multiple times. And I thought there would be some benefit to it, because I don't have to keep saying videos of you talking about what you do, right? For example, I give modules about, you know, there is a module called decode your hunger. So it has like, three four videos. I mean, it could be built into three four videos, basically in two weeks. So when I tell them, I think they don't internal, internalize it as quickly, because the concept, some to some might be totally foreign or totally concept. So when I got the feedback, they said they forgot about it. So I thought they I'll just do videos, and they can see over and over in their own time. So when we are talking, we're not talking wasting time more on talking about the basics, rather than coaching. You know, coaching about that material. So what was happening was, I was coaching. I was telling them the concept, but next week they would just come and say, you know, I didn't understand it. And I wish I knew I could see it in a video. So when I actually started, so I have started with, I'm making just that module, and actually it's not easy, like just was saying to polish this up. When you're talking one to one, one on one with somebody, it's much faster, easier. But when you're trying to put it in, in a video, like a slide, and
video is, I think it's taking me a little bit more time than I thought. So that's where I am, yeah? Well, I think that's what we were talking about before with, like, the idea of the MVP, so minimum
viable product, right, right? So I'm doing really, yeah, that's you present. Okay, I see you're selling videos. Yeah, you don't need videos at that stage, because what you're doing at that point is like you're committing to explaining it as many times as you need to walking them through it. Once you do it a few times, things like solidifying that into curriculum, into video, into slides, becomes easier, because you find yourself repeating yourself. And so the fact that you have this process decoding your hunger
means that you probably have done that a bunch of times. It's probably something about that that you can decode into, like a structure that you can give them in some form. Maybe it's not a full teaching video, maybe it's a really short video, like with an image that's like a sort of framework, which is like, here's what you should be thinking about, or a visual metaphor. You say, like decoding your hunger. It's this and here's these parts. And then it becomes more memorable for people. They can go back to it, but it's not like a half hour video they need to watch, or barely five minute video, right? Because I was, I want to give them a chunk, a concept, big concept, in small chunks. Yeah, they can be derided Exactly. Yeah, I was working with a coach a year or so ago, and we did a lot of work directly. But she also had fairly informal videos that she'd made of frameworks that she because basically, she was teaching these things over and over again live. So if you find yourself doing the same thing over and over, and over again live, you can record a video and then have that be there for people to be able to kind of find their way through things. It's kind of what I'm doing with lesson briefs to a certain extent, where it's like, I have taught these lessons multiple times and had conversations about them multiple times, and so as I talk through them, I'm like, these are things you should be paying attention to, red flags, blah, blah, and kind of walking people through what the thing looks
like, and
my sort of relatively informal guide through it, I think is useful for people, because it's a different angle on the same material. They can read the material and listen to my formal recording of like reading it out loud, but then I'm talking about it like a human and there's these two different ways of kind of coming at it, and I think that's useful, right? Okay, yeah.
I mean, I think what happens is, when you're talking verbally, you can see a lot of things, and,
you know, very quickly, but when I'm doing a video, everything comes in the back of my head. I need to include this. I need to include this.
I mean that 15 things that come in the back of my head, so it just becomes little bit longer in here, and then starts get becoming difficult to put on the paper. Like, which one I should do, which one I should not do. So yeah, boiling it down to like, what are the essential, essential top three things you want to say is really important to be memorable, right? So we can always add
additional things, either in separate videos or in in notes, which is like, you know, take note that this might come up, or this might come up. We can talk about this in coaching, or here's a resource, or whatever it is. But like, these are the things I want you to be really paying attention to. And again, the your certainty about what that looks like will shift as you do as you have more clients, right? And I found one open loop, big open loop in my situation here, and we are building a new house, and I thought I had given everything to the contractor. Now it's calling me, like, three times a week to actually visit the house, which has become, I mean,
it's totally enjoyable, but it is another time. Big thing, yeah, yeah. So it's in the like, you know, thinking about, you know, so, yeah. So I think I'll just have to figure that out. What I'm willing to let go to do both basically just writing a note here, anything you want to ask about this? Yes, I was going through the first one again as capacity and criteria and commitment like over. I just wanted, you know, just to get it hang of it better when we are talking about domains. So I have, like a notion, I made this thing, and I did come up with, like four, four different domains. Can they? What is the best way to intersect domains? I mean, to compartmentalize is a better word. I think some domains you'll have to let go. I mean, you won't be able to, yeah, you don't maintain a bunch of domains that you don't need, no, if there's no traffic to them, and nobody knows about these things yet, don't, right? You can, if you feel like this is going to be potentially a problem for you, where somebody else could buy this domain and be it would be confusing. There's some justification for it. But like, I've owned certain domains for, like, so many I meant domain and work and life. You know how you create domains like, Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. So in the sense of personal domains, like, what to pay attention to and what not to like personal, I came up with four domains that I want to work in maybe clock of life. You know, one is my blog of recipes. One is women empowerment per menopause is
there, and one is because people come to me for business advice. And the fourth is personal. So there are, like, four different domains here. So how do you personally don't let go, because this is, of course not. But also, I feel like the way you're using domains may or may not be as useful as you want it to be, where the idea of women's empowerment that could look like
volunteer commitments to political causes, or it could look, you know what I mean, saying, like my coaching business, that's a domain in the sense that it has projects attached to it, the motivation for it, the reasons behind it, are women's empowerment and dealing with menopause. But like the domain, the area of action is your coaching business,
and potentially also, you know, you have this separate thing with the with the food blog. It's related. It's, you know, that's those things you're comparing to each other, right? You're saying, Am I going to focus on the coaching business or the blog? They're in the same domain, right? Because they're serving the same overall, they're in the same chunk of your time, the same type of your attention. So when you say personal, you've got relationships, you've got health related stuff for yourself,
you know, you've got,
you know, potentially that well, you've got the whole house, like household duties. So you're building a house, you're also probably taking care of your own house, right? So those are all domains, most of which don't go away. You have to hold on to those things, but you may not be focusing hard on them in a given quarter. So like your list of domains may be 15 things long, but the ones that you're really like putting your attention on and doing something actively on will only be a few of them and the rest you're maintaining, in some sense
or another, or you're just saying, like, I'm not going to pay attention to this right now. But when you say, let's say those things, and then you have your
business, like, your work, your job, that's a domain, right? Your job, people coming to you for business advice
is that, under your job, domain, is that something where you're, like, it's a volunteer commitment, or, like, a mentorship commitment, like, thinking
about where does that fit in terms of that segment of your capacity? I really want you to think about domains as sort of, like, chunks of capacity, you know. Okay, yeah. That helps. Okay,
yeah.
And like, the other stuff you were saying the way you were talking about it previously. It's almost like your value structure, like, what's important to you in terms of values? Well, that's important to know, but it doesn't help you in terms of, like, where's your actual activity happening? Like, What time are you putting into this versus other things, or helps less. I just, I would say, Yeah, I read one of the comments. Somebody said, you know, I just got, got stuck to one project and finished it. Then I felt really good. I think that's what needs to happen. Just gets, just get stuck to one, one project and just, well, that's why, yeah, that's why. When you're doing your overall planning, you want to say, like, which domains, which domains are am I going to be focusing on now? So then you'll have projects that are active within those domains, but other domains, I'm just going to, like, keep it going what needs to happen. But I'm not, you know, like, in say, personal health, if you're not putting major focus on that, because it's kind of okay right now. And it's like, I'm going to keep going to the gym. I'm going to eat, you know, those are just ongoing commitments, basically, yeah, you're not committing any more thought or time, right? As opposed to, wow, I really need to get that together. I have to, like, you know, I'm having pains in my shoulder. I need to get to pt. I need to get it. I have to go to a doctor. I have to do, you know what I mean, so you have, like, a whole set of project, things to deal with regarding health, right? Yeah, thank you. Yeah.
All right. Elizabeth, do you want to go next? I sure I've been erratic. My energy has been sort of erratic, as I knew it would be, and so it was really good, or I knew when I entered this program that it's like that, and that it would probably get triggered. And yes, so what you said in the earlier thing about Brene Brown and touching upon those deep conflicts, I think that's part of what's going on, and I realize I have a lot of open loops. So the positive, starting with the positive is that I'm acknowledging it, but I'm but I get stuck in it. And then something, when you were just talking with Garima about the domains, I was thinking maybe my problem with or my my challenge with doing the three priorities is that I choose these different domains. And so I, you know, there's and so decluttering, which is a huge domain, and was completely flipping me out because I have so much clutter, including a lot of things that are out of my control, like my my computer just got wiped, and I have a whole new system. I The interface is only I'm so confused, it's not helping me and and there's a lot of chaos because of my husband, so there's always kind of this sense of clutter in my life. And even though I'm improving, it really gets on my nerves. So that's been my number one priority. I'm not sure that that's good for me, because then number two is my project, which I keep really, not actually treating like number two, and it's related to some other things that I've already said yes to. So I have these previous commitments, and my my third one is my health. And then you could say, in a sense, I always have to focus on that. So maybe I should just say it just, it's just it's just starts my inner critic to have my my, my three priorities be in such different domains. Because what actually concerns me a lot is where I where I'm living. I don't like where I'm living. And so then I, when I look at what I use my time on, it's like, I'm, I'm sort of house hunting, even though I haven't even sold my apartment. You know what? I mean? It's like, I do these, right? You get you, you are overwhelmed with what's going on. And so what happens is that you end up getting distracted by this other thought and going over here because you don't want to deal with it's what's in front of you, right? And so of course, then the decision matrix is completely flipping me out. And in fact, I just lost it. And then I realized, because my Google Drive, I'm also trying to clean up and and how do you remove folders from Google Drive? And then I couldn't find the sheet, and then I found it, and then it's like, and I waste a lot of time doing that kind of thing, and it makes me feel like I'm getting dementia or something. I mean, it really, it. It really makes me scold myself, yeah, yeah, totally understandable. I mean, isn't I think it sounds crazy? No, it's not crazy at all, because you have a lot of stuff you're trying to juggle, and so it makes you feel like you know you you are going to forget stuff because you're juggling all these things and trying to hold them all at the same time, I would encourage you to change your order of priorities and put your creative project first, because it's going to help ground you and feel like there's some positive future momentum happening. Yeah, and use, and we're going to talk about this in the lesson briefs next week. The templates. This idea of templates to and we talked about this a little bit before, but like to cordon off organizing and decluttering to very specific times of the week so that you're not like you're able to go, you're like, thinking, looking at a pile, thinking, like, ah, and then you just go, Thursday, you know, like, I know when I'm doing that, it's that and able to, like, redirect yourself to what's in front of you. I also think you should talk to re, because this Re is in need of research interviews regarding, oh, hey, clutter and dealing with this stuff. And I think that there may be some enlightening things that come out of that for you as well. But so what I want, what I want to get to here is this idea of moving and selling your apartment. Do you need to assuming this is like, actually a plan you're going to do this, you're going to sell your apartment and move. How? What needs to happen in terms of the decluttering and stuff in order to be able to move? Yeah, well, there's some open loops in that, but I can say, for instance, things out of my control. They were supposed to come a painter. They've messed up my doors that they painted like five times. I mean, it's ridiculous. The whole apartment is being repainted. And then they were supposed to come today and fix it, and then they canceled yesterday, so part of my clutter is because I had to move things away for the painters who are now not coming. So, super frustrating. Super frustrating. Yeah, and I've had stuff like that, like, there's, like, it's not there now, but there was, like, for months, there was like, a thing over here, like a pile of stuff that was moved because we were going to do a thing, and then we didn't do the thing, and then it had to, you know, whatever, I completely get it. So open loops are obviously focus killers. I would in your template, when you're like, I'm going to work on this, on whatever day, I would try to put together groups of things you can do, where you can close a loop so things you have control over, you don't have control over the painters much as you wish you did. No, but I have been making some progress, and my apartment is in okay shape that if I just did, you know, like even a couple of hours of putting things finally away and I have been cleaning my closet stuff, then it would look okay. I could sell it. I could probably sell it tomorrow, if I really wanted to do it. Do you really want to do it? Well, I'm feeling like it's this kind of escape hatch, dreaming fantasy thing that I have, and then I imagine a different life and all this vision charting that we were doing, I think it really came out. I'm imagining a different life, in a different place, and that if I were a kangaroo, I could just jump out of here, and then I could, like, be in a whole new place, like maybe not even Denmark. I mean, it could be anywhere in the world, as long as it's not here. And I know that what I'm part of, what I'm trying to run away from is some things with my family, which, of course, is what my creative project is about. And these are some of the things that I'm like procrastinating about. Mm, hmm. So where I'm living now also has to do with I moved out of our really, really beautiful house. I packed it down, sold everything, when my husband ended up in a nursing home. So I kind of feel like I thought I would stay here and it would be okay for a long time, but I have this feeling it's a temporary place that has to do with this illness and with having to sort of just hold on until he's dead, frankly. So it has that feeling of, I'm in storage here, and I'm in a cage, and so it feels kind of like, okay, I used to, I'm not trying to dramatize for, you know, yeah, no. I mean, I've gone through various periods of my life where I'm someplace where I'm like, I'm not really here, and I call it like perching, like I'm sort of between things, yeah, and not feeling like I could commit to the place in the space, yeah? And, you know, I think doing some realistic assessment, like, how long are you going to be there? You're going to stay for another year or two? Because, if so, yeah, I've been deciding to move in the spring, because it's just a bad time. First of all, because the painters are, I mean, there's just some things that are kind of messy, yeah. Also with the financial situation in the whole place, and I have two trips planned in early next year, and I think it's will be better just to wait until the spring. So I've been telling myself to wait until the spring. You really are just purchasing. You're ready to leave. So that's fine. So then, basically, I think you should be looking at like, well, maybe I can, I don't know, pack some stuff away that's bothering me, but I can't really get rid of it and put it in the closet, because I'm going to move it. Or, you know, if you are imagining a new life for yourself, that's different. What in your current situation is not part of that life. Physically. Get rid of that stuff, you know, like, clear out the stuff that's not part of this vision for whatever the next step is, yeah, that's, I think I have been doing that actually, but, but that's, I mean, I've really slimmed down. I have, like, what I used to have, but it's because I'm like my dining table right now is filled with my art supplies, so I have a sketchbook, and I make a drawing every day. And so why move it away? I don't have room enough, but or I could set up another place to do to have an art studio in my living room, but not on my dining room table. So it's those kinds of choices, but that sounds something you could actually do. It sounds like, you know, I could do that one. I could do that one. So there's one. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, well, good. Jennifer, have to attend a plumber visit and probably have to step off. Well, want to check in briefly. I'm gonna, unfortunately, do something for the plumber, so I can't, but thank you all. I'm gonna step off out and actually just close out. Okay,
would be the proof of it, using it like you have created something.
Show me the tracker. Oh, I
see a tracker, and used, basically a couple of actions are done on that so
that you've been like, marking stuff off. You've been like, updating it. Because one of the things about the tracker is you want it to be something that you can like, change, does it? It's not necessarily date tied, and it can change. Because, as you start a project, you may realize, you know, like, just did that, oh, I have to create a lead magnet. Like, that's a new part that you might not have envisioned at the beginning, and you might need to add it in so it can change over time. So, but just seeing it being an active document that you've been using for a couple months to really continue to think about and focus on a big project. That's what I'm looking for. So
I use, actually, clickup for project management. Is that okay? So I can just show you my list there, I guess my project, yeah, I
want you to read through these lessons, because the idea with like, something like clickup, I use notion, you know. And I have my projects are in notion, but I have different levels of like, this is my task management. This is like, what I need to do this week. And this is how there's ways that I have built within notion to be able to see what the bigger things are. And so I have, like, a habit tracker piece that I built where it's like, I did this three times this week, which was my goal, you know? So that's a piece of my project tracking. And then another piece of my project tracking is like, these are the thing, the things I set up for myself for this quarter. Am I working on those things? Like, are those things moving along? And I look at those at least weekly. So it's not like I'm looking at them. So like, the way that you kind of see your daily project what, at least for me, when I see a daily project list, I'm like, click, click, click, click, click, click, but I can really easily lose track on the of the bigger picture of what I'm trying to do. And that's what I'm trying to get you to think through, is like, finding a way to pull back and not say, like, I need to make a video, but like, I need to get clients. I need to be building this right process that works for them, like that's the project, not I need to make the videos right.
So
if you want to use clickup for that, and find a way to do that, I don't know the app, so I'm sure there's some way. You know, it sounds pretty much
like notion. I have, actually, I moved from notion, so, yeah, because so maybe
there's a way to build that, or have that, you know, but just like, find some way to make your larger domains, your larger projects, more visible to you on at least a weekly basis. Yeah,
yeah. Jess, I just
wanted to validate what Lisbeth was saying about feeling stuck in place and just share that that is such a tough situation. When my youngest daughter was diagnosed she has a life limiting genetic disease, I realized we are here until she, you know, hears praying for it, grows up and goes off to college. We are here there. We can't go anywhere else. Children's Hospital is here, cardiologist is here, the support system is here. And I've moved around my whole life. I actually really love moving and that there was some grief involved with just accepting that until she's five now, so until she's 18, we are here that was, that was a true grief process. So you are not alone, and I'm sorry for what you're going through, and I know you can get through this because I'm right there with you, and we'll get through this together.
Yeah, really nice. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, yeah, there are a lot of reasons why it's not so easy just to make decisions and do different things, you know, like it's not it's complicated. There are trade offs. There are all kinds of reasons why this won't work or that won't work, and I think that that acknowledging that is healthy and helpful. So thank you for that.
Yeah. Ri, yeah,
I would. I want to chime in actually following Jessica. I mean, the things you're going through, you don't necessarily have to do them all by yourself, and there's ways to receive support. And some of the things that are the most painful, just having someone be there as you know, witness or holding space with you, it can offer, like, more freedom, or at least just like, yeah, and I just like, part of decluttering for me is that is holding space.
Yeah, because the like, the other thing I would name is, like the resistance or the procrastination. Those are there for good reasons. They are actually your allies and somehow figuring out how it is those parts are helping you, even if it's not like an obviously linear product, productive. I mean, you know all this stuff, but just to name it again, yeah? I mean, I felt, I felt a little contraction when you're like, Oh, I'm procrastinating. Well, that's okay. It's okay, like it's okay, it's really okay. There's not, there's not the idea that there's some task master who's tracking how quickly you accomplish things. That one's that one's a fiction. It's a boogeyman.
Yeah, thank you. Totally agreed. Also,
I'd love to interview you, and
I think that's, you know, it's a place of holding space, so that's, you know, that's nice to be, to be able to do that. I think that the procrastination, it is a boogeyman, but I think it's also sometimes it's not serving us. It's not always that. It's serving you. It's serving something. There are reasons for it, right? And it's trying to do something, but it may be doing it in a way that's not effective. And so trying to think, like, what is the reason for this? And then, is this the best way to address that reason for me like is this the only option I have for addressing whatever the reason is, procrastination is a very deep impulse based on all kinds of self protective, you know, impulses, and those are for reasons, you know, and you've been going through a really rough time, and that's one of the reasons. So, yeah, there's
a, there's a bit of, why bother in procrastinations in certain seasons of life, you know, it's, there's definitely seasons where I've had to put a, put aside my creative work, because it's, I'm realizing it's a why bother season. And that's tough, it's tough, but it's a season two. It's a season and seasons cycle. They come to an end, New Seasons begin. It's
also just, there's why bother? Why bother? Because the fields need to be fallow right now. Yeah,
spring is, spring is a great time for new crops,
for sure. I mean, there's actually a book called Why bother by Jen Loudon that is, I think, quite good about this, acknowledging that that kind of resistance and that kind of like pushback and trying to identify desire as a source of taking next steps. I think it's good book. She's the
Colorado local, yeah, yeah,
and a friend. I think she's great.
She is great, yeah.
Oh, here's, this is, by the way, from our earlier discussion, unrelated to what we're talking about right now. This is a value bomb. I don't call it that, but this is a multi, multi page pre sell site having do with business coaching that you may be you may find interesting. Yeah,
I have ideas swirling that I may what's the best method of just sharing that with you? Jessica, for feedback. I
mean, you can bring it to coaching sessions. You can post it in the group. You know, everybody here has one extra 30 minute call that you can use. So officially, I set that to start in, like January, so that you know my schedule isn't over full or whatever, but I could do that now, like, if you wanted to have another coaching session about that, then we could totally do that. And it might
be something that I want the whole group to kind of weigh in on to right?
So post it in the group. Like, post it in the group. Tag people you want to, you know, see it. I don't think we're not spending a lot of time in the group. So I don't think it's like, I don't know where everybody's notifications are. But if you tag people, most people, I think, will get notified by that. Or we can say, like, if we come back to the next meeting and people haven't seen it, I'll be like, pay attention over here. Let's all look at it, you know, then I'm happy to talk about it in a coaching call as well. I mean, next week is going to be implementation session, so I don't know if we'll have a lot of time for it, but the following week will be another open session. So okay,
yeah, thank you. Okay. Well,
great to see everybody this week. Thank you so much for being here and sharing and supporting each other. Really, really appreciate it, and I will see you next week. Bye, everybody. Bye, bye.
