💀Deadly Soil Pathogens vs Nutrient Deficiencies, Diagnosing Plant Issues, and More, with Marybeth Sanchez

12:38PM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Marybeth Sanchez

Keywords:

fungal pathogens

soil pathogens

nutrient deficiencies

regenerating land

compost tea

trichoderma benefits

microbial diversity

humic acids

garlic barrier

raised beds

mulch importance

biological controls

preventative measures

mushroom benefits

soil improvement

Greetings, growers of the world. Jordan River here. Back at you with more. Grow cast regenerating the podcast landscape one episode at a time. Today we have Mary Beth Sanchez, fan favorite team grow cast member back on the show. This is a dope episode. You're going to want to make sure that you listen in. Pay attention to this one. Listen to it twice. We talk about fungal infections, fungal pathogens, soil pathogens, to be more accurate and how to avoid them, how to identify them, how to cure them when they've come into your garden. We talk about a lot of good stuff, from regenerating your land to nutrient deficiencies. Buckle up for a good one with Mary Beth Sanchez. Before we get into it, though, shout out to AC infinity. That's right, they make the best grow gear on the market. Acinity.com, code grow cast one five saves you 10% that is the maximum discount we've had the code forever. We've been partners with AC infinity for years. And why? It's because they make the best tents you can get your hands on. They make the best inline fans, the best oscillating fans. They make really, really great quality accessories like scissors, pots, Ratchet hangers and things like that. And now they also have lights. They've got the ion board and now the ion frame bar style, really, really great stuff at AC infinity. Get the whole grow kit you've been after. You know, you can get a three by three kit, a five by five kit, you know you want another one. Just go ahead and pop over there. Use code grow cast, one five, always at checkout for the max discount. And thank you for supporting us and AC infinity. We love them so much. They make our favorite grow gear out there. I'm looking at two AC infinity tents in my bio dome, and you won't regret grabbing one. Use code growcast One five at AC infinity.com. Thank you to AC infinity. Okay, let's get into it with Mary Beth. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners who are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today before we get started as always, I urge you to share this show with a friend. If you know a grower, turn them onto growcast. Make sure you're subscribed. We're on Spotify and iTunes, wherever you get your podcasts, and turn a smoker on to growing. That's the best thing you can do to help us on our mission of overgrow. Turn someone on to growing for the first time. I love to hear it special. Thank you to all you listeners and the biggest thank you to you members. I appreciate you members. So much. Speaking of membership, we have a lovely friend of the show on the line today. She is hard at work every single day for grow cast members, and she's an IPM expert and an organic growing expert, and so much more. Mary Beth Sanchez is here. What's up? Mary Beth, how are you doing? Ah,

you flatter me. I'm doing great. You're the best. Sunny California is kind of gray and and overcast right now, but it's otherwise absolutely divino,

whoo. I love it overcast, but still pretty warm, I imagine, right? It got cold out here. Yeah,

yeah. It feels, you know, like not cold at all. I have a coat on, that. I'm like, nah. Usually, if it's really cold, you know, my skin's too cold and anything exposed, like, get me inside now. But today, it's like, this is nice just sitting out in the porch.

I love it. We need the obligatory weather update. Yes,

you do. Jesus Jordan, where would we be? But

I mean, listen, I think it says something about you, and like, you're really in tune with your environment and your property. And I like speaking to you, not only because of your your knowledge on, like identifying plant problems, and, like I said, regenerative agriculture and pests and stuff, but um, you have this, like, traditional farming, agriculture, like regenerative agriculture, long term view, you're on your property. You're on your forever property. You're improving it every year. The weather is like meaningful to you. So I think that's why we like getting those updates and and talking to you about everything from the gardening you're doing to the beekeeping you're now doing. I just, I love the way you operate, is what I'm saying. I think a lot of people like that, a lot.

Oh, let me tell you that the feeling is mutual. We appreciate what you do so much. You do it better than most.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. So, yeah, we're back on the main show. I'm excited for you to be here, and I want to talk about a few things today. I want to talk about good biology, bad biology, regenerating your land, and talk about compost too. My favorite stuff, I know all your favorite things. It actually stems from a conversation we had on a grow cast TV members only stream just the other day. You know, we were diving back into this idea of plant problem diagnosis, which you do full time for the members. And you know, it's every single problem that's posted. Every picture of a damaged leaf is its own little mystery. It's its own little la Noir. Yeah, like, it's its own investigation, and you're really good at it. But one thing that I see a lot Mary Beth, and this is why I want to. Focus on with the listeners for the beginning of the show, I see a lot of people taking a look at a damaged leaf that's been damaged by a pathogen, and they post it on Facebook or they post it on Reddit, and people are given all these wild answers, usually revolving around nutrition, like, Oh, what's this deficiency? Look, my leaves all fucked up. What's the deficiency? And people are saying, you know, add more calm. AG, what's your light intensity? All this stuff. But I'm looking at it, and having studied under you, I'm going, that's a fungal pathogen.

Probably. It's real common. It's so common.

So I want to talk about distinguishing those two, and maybe starting from right there. Mary Beth, I think a lot of people say, Hey, I'm not even in soil. Like I'm not in living soil. I don't have a fungal pathogen. These things can strike at any time in almost any medium, right, anywhere,

yeah, even rock wool, anything. Yeah, you're not immune

to it, regardless of your growth style. And you need to know what you're looking for. So what you taught me? Mary Beth, the one thing that is really, really easy to distinguish those two. Can you talk about mineral deficiencies, avoiding the veins of the leaves, and then fungal pathogens and what they do?

Oh, yeah, mostly, you know, if you see vein damage with the veins look like they're gone dark or black, or the only thing that really has the power to break down those strong tissues of the veins are the fungal pathogens. The other things that can go wrong just don't have the power to break down those are especially strong tissues in the vein. But the fungals don't have a problem with that. Usually pass mostly through the veins of the plants, and so that's the first thing that they're usually going to take down. They're going to start turning black. Is particularly from the ends, usually. But they don't all act the same, but you'll notice, yeah, just weird, terrible colors and things going wrong in the veins where you normally wouldn't see the veins being much affected, except for the color might change in a nutrient deficiency for the veins, but they won't look like they're

dead, too. Dying, literally dying. Yeah, that Brown, yeah. That brown scorching, like dying off. It goes into product eventually with these types of pathogens, yeah, like black, no coming back, no coming back, right? But like you're saying, if you're looking at the top of that leaf and you see all those little lines, all those veins on the leaf, you when notice next time you have a mineral deficiency, the mineral deficiencies, like you said, skip right over them. It's like, every time,

yeah, they'll go right up to it, but they usually stop there, kind of like a low wall, okay, that's my limit. You know, so often the thing on the other side of the wall will be doing the same thing, and they'll come right together, and they'll kind of look like, you know, they're they, when the whole leaf dies out, that vein will be consumed. But when the vein is the thing that's going off early in the pathogen symptoms, then, you know, you've got, you've got that issue. No,

that's a really good point. It's not that they're like immune, like you said, but they're like, the last thing to die. It's the dying spots start between the veins and then eventually grow together. Whereas, if you're looking at a fungal pathogen, you see these. It often comes Yeah, big brown spots just running right over a vein, or a whole side of a leaf will be like, rotting and dark brown or black. Yeah,

yeah. Sometimes they get these weird purpley and brown colors. And, oh, geez, it's almost blue looking Oh, this come real. You know, I call them fungal type pathogens, because it turns out most of them are actually with bacteria that looks like a fungus, but they've now been reclassified. And so blah, blah, blah, makes it ever so confusing. But fungal type works for me because we're used to thinking of that way. Really, when you see him under a microscope, they kind of look that way at first.

And the taxonomists are, like, constantly evolving this, right? Like we're learning change,

right? Yeah. So don't even you know, take that word for today. They may have already changed it by the time this thing gets published. Evan knows they're always trying to get better, you know, at classifying, but that just makes it confusing for the people who learn something and now they have to learn

it over, right, right? But these are like soil born or and or water born, yes,

and or is correct. They come from various sources, and they're ubiquitous. They are always around, and it's just a matter of getting the conditions right to set them off and to get them reactivated when they'll go into a dormant state.

Okay, so let's talk about treatment. And then I want to talk about, like, misconceptions and myths, kind of like we talked about with the with the cocoa growers. So So, like I said, Every day you're helping out growers in the plant problems channel, and when you see that damaged leaf with the dying dark spots running right over the veins, you're like, Okay, you've got a pathogen. What do you recommend we apply and why to counteract this bad biology?

Well, if you can get a hold of it, you know, some places I know there's weird, rural red. Population, they can't get all the products I recommend. It's frustrating because I'm spoiled. But really something like micro stop, something like trichoderma, some one of those really fast acting, super aggressive biological controls that are especially good at getting these kind of pathogens and getting them quickly. If you've got that and you can apply enough of it quickly enough. They often can save the day. Sometimes it's too late already, and, you know, but you got to give it your best try. And what you may be able to do, even if it wasn't able to save that plant, it might be able to save the soil future use, because you if you get that biology going in there and thriving in there, you know, get some healthier plant in there for it to interact with. Yes, not something that's dying. Then, yeah, it might have a chance of thriving because things like trichoderma, you often don't have to apply them more than once every two to five years, because of their long, lasting ability to reproduce themselves. Now, sometimes, you know you may have an issue that you think is very severe and critical, and you might want to apply it more. Go for it, because you can't really over apply unless you're getting ridiculous. Not think anybody wants to do something that's stupid. Really

good point using it from an IPM perspective. Now, now you mentioned the product microstop, which is an active ingredient, Streptomyces, liticus bacteria, yeah, I saw that Streptomyces was the largest of the actinomycetes bacteria, which I thought was really interesting. I didn't know that, so it's a big boy bacteria,

yeah. Well, there's a lot of different varieties of Streptomyces, but yeah, that one is a particularly really aggressive one. It's a really good one, like in the trichoderma, there's a lot of different trichoderma of species, but the most aggressive ones that are going to help you the most are going to be the trichoderma Harzianum and the Viridis and the viridae, which are virins and viridae, which sound a lot of life, but those are the three most aggressive strains that will do you the most good when you get them in other trichoderma strains may do you some good that's going to take longer. They're not going to be as fast. They're not going to be as on the ball. Take notes. Everyone. These guys come cranked up. Yeah, because I've seen other trichoderma species and you know, they're less expensive. Of course, they do some good, for sure, but it's always been found that they do better, like, for instance, a trichoderma Kong Gi, I think, is one of them that's frequently seen, and it does really good with other trichodermas, much better than it does all by itself. So it's little things like that where you know blends of them are really good, so long as you've really got the majority of it is, he is one of those three. The big

I like the custom, I believe it's called Custom biologicals, custom GP, and it's a trichoderma blend that you literally add a drop, a droplet to, like a five gallon bucket. It's super, super cheap. It's super super powerful. Have that on hand beforehand or or some mice. I'm sure

it's not cheap, but I'm sure you don't need much. It'll go I think you can refrigerate those things and, you know, keep their shelf life 40

bucks. It'll last you a long, long time until the shelf life has expired, essentially, is when that'll last you too. So the trichoderma, or the Streptomyces, and having this product on hand before you see this problem, regardless of your growth style, I really mean that, because this stuff acts so fast, these pathogens or they can, there's many, many different types, but I've seen some and had some in my own garden that literally got worse by the hour. I know I've said it before, but it's true, and that's how you know this isn't a deficiency. This is something that's like attacking my plant. It's awful. So you got to apply those, those beneficials, or something that's going to antagonize it, right? So this idea of having the space occupied by aggressive beneficial biology to keep away the bad stuff, armor

is another good choice, it's got a blend that's quite powerful, and they get a lot of good results with that. That one's great for blended areas. Really good. Yeah, bacteria in there. You know, if you've got your labs, your lactobacillus ferments and things, great idea. Those are fantastic also at dealing with these kind of things, but you know, hopefully you've got plenty. Because often these issues will happen outside or somewhere where you've really got to cover by the ground make make enough.

But this is an interesting point to understand, because if you're having this problem, especially repeatedly, if this this is in, you know, there's something wrong with your water, or it's in the soil in your area, or it's just, it just keeps coming back. I've seen this before. People take the sterilization approach instead of the protective approach, like we just said. So let me give you an example. You see a fungal pathogen in plant problems, and they say, Hey, that looks like a fungal pathogen. The guy goes, Hey, this is brand new soil. Shouldn't. Be a problem. This is brand new soil. No, no. Brand new soil. You're actually probably more susceptible because it hasn't had time to establish and cook, and have have enough beneficial biology in there to keep that away. So if you go, Oh, I'm gonna replace my soil, then you get it again next run. And

what if the pathogen came from the water or from the cut, though, maybe from the roots of the clone, or they can come from a lot of places,

right? So instead of sterilizing saying, hey, I need to kill everything in my soil, or hey, I need to throw out my soil and get another new bag of soil, what you need to do is enrich that soil with beneficial biology so it keeps that the bad stuff away, right? Does that make sense way.

That's the way biology is always the way it's the winner. They've been doing this a lot longer

than we have. They're really good. It's a little counterintuitive, because, yes, as a living soil grower, for instance, you're bringing in a lot of products that, yes, could be a potential vector. But when you have a living soil system established, that's when you're least likely to see something like this happen, because there's years old beneficial fungi and beneficial bacteria thriving in your soil, keeping it away.

And balance, yeah, balance gets established over time, right? You know, if you see something go askew, it's usually because some weird environmental issue has happened that caused a great crisis, like something was spilled or, you know, something abnormal out of happened to that environment that caused the biology to go wildly askew from its normal balance. Usually, if things stay the same, it'll kind of stay, you know, balanced, a good amount of fungi and bacteria keeping things healthy in there, keeping the bad guys at bay. You know, we want the bad guys. We just don't want them to be the majority of the population,

right? So I've been saying it recently on the show, but I really do challenge people, even if you're in a cocoa grow, throw in some trichoderma, even if you're just using it as an IPM preventative measure, like I just said you can get a soil pathogen or a media, a pathogen in your medium that could wreck your grow. So don't wait for that to happen. Just throw some trichoderma in there. Why not have it in the cocoa? It's pretty hardy too, even if you're hitting it with the salts trichoderma, my understanding is that it's pretty hardy stuff.

Oh yeah, it is. It's the I mean, boy, stand back. I love it. And here's another thing about trichoderma, even if you're not so worried, you know you bought your pathogens, it's good to be preventative, but it's also good to know that it's highly recommended to be added up the onset of flowering at the latest, because it just increases the amount of flower and quality of flowers that you have chests have shown. Try side by side. If you're not sure you want to trust it, try some side by side. It's only fun to see what happens in side by side testing, and

you will see it You're right. It does a lot of the same things that mycorrhizal fungi does. Right? It unlocks phosphorus. It helps with nutrient uptake and pH shifting.

It's a powerful little picture. I would, you know, include it in my mix.

Yeah, the trichoderma. Use it. And, like I said, this is something you want to use preventatively. So again, I've been saying it like, oh, add microbes to your bottled grow. Add microbes to your salt grow. But, but I mean it. I really mean it, not just for, like, a quality perspective and a nutritional uptake perspective, but also for IPM purposes, trichoderma is cheap. Throw it in your grow.

Oh, yeah, you know, like I said, Well, you can get that little, tiny bottle of concentrate and think, oh my God, for it all. Or the little bottle, yeah, it's actually you use such tiny amount, it really lasts for a long time. Goes a long way. So you have to consider that application. That's exactly right. The frequency of application. Like I said, you don't really need to use it every day, all the time. It's not that kind of a product,

yep. So, so there's lots of, uh, lots of stuff that we recommend. That custom GP one is good. I think root wise, makes a microbe that I was just looking at my Chrome, and that one has a great blend. It's got trichoderma and Streptomyces bacteria, and some like glomus in there. It's the mycorrhizal fungi. It's got a lot of good stuff. So there's some good products on the market that that we stand behind. Yeah, but recognize those prefixes, the Streptomyces, the Streptomyces, liticus, the trichoderma, uh, specifically the three kinds that Mary Beth mentioned that, you know, I always look for the h1 horizonium. I don't know how to say it. It's the one you said earlier. There you go. Yeah, that's the one that I see most, most commonly. Um, but yeah, learn those, learn those species, and you'll know what you're looking at. When you turn the the micro product over and look at the ingredients, you'll know what you're looking

at. Now, the the I do want to make a little mention that the enzyme products will also clear up a lot of the dead tissue from the effects of the fungal pathogens and things. So clean that up and help new growth be stimulated because of the enzymatic action there. So they are also helpful, like especially, it may be the thing that you have is your first. Or who are, your big bacteria arrives. But don't worry about enzymes killing off your biology, because the bad biology will then the good biology and the good biology bounces back very quickly. So if you do have to take that route, remember that you can those are things like your DR, Symes, your SLF, 100 that the latest thing from hikers, hyperzyme is fabulous at that. Just with this original formula. Just had them side by sides. I've done side by sides with them that were just, I can't, I can't praise them enough. I tell everyone, Oh, I love it's worth the investment. Thank

you for saying that. Yeah, and the doctor zymes, I think, is, I mean, obviously a much stronger, like, it's a powerful enzyme, so I might nuke with that, and then, and then re inoculate, like you said, and then get in something preventative, like a hygrozine would be perfect for that preventative, yeah, to clean things up, like you said, whereas, uh, right, if it's bad enough, I probably would nuke it with Doctor zymes first before adding Some of the thing. It's a good strategy, yeah. And then just

keep adding the biology. Say the good biology will survive these little episodes and keep popping back, whereas the bad ones, you know, if you've got a microscope to check, you'll notice they're not popping back the same way. They're just like, Oh, cool. This really does work. Yeah, absolutely nice. This

is something I see. And, you know, I was just working with a grower. Shout out to April. I was just down in April's garden, and she said, You know, I see this fungal pathogen again. And I'm thinking you got two options. I would either start using trichoderma literally all the time. She's a Syngenta grower. So I said, just start using trichoderma all the time. Have it in your mix all the time, or go full blown, living soil style, make a really nice mix, inoculate it. And I don't usually recommend people switch growing styles, you know, but that's, that's one way. Well, you know,

it's used to one way. The easiest thing might be to just add trichoderma exactly, rather than to go with a whole another style of growing. But, yeah, at some point in time, of course, that's my favorite thing. But I don't want to be up here telling you how to grow just I want you to be successful. I want you to be successful. I love it. Whatever style you choose.

That's why we have you on Team growcast, the best, best. So, yeah, it's been on my mind. I've been seeing a lot of growers struggle with it. And, yeah, that's, that's what I I like to recommend people have those products on hand. But Mary Beth, you always say, I mean, the best microbes that you're gonna get are the ones that you home brew. The best humic acids are the ones from your own compost pile. Okay, let's talk about that. Yeah. Do you want to talk about some compost teas and extracts? Oh, I love it. My favorite stuff. What do you recommend? You know, let's say people get started composting. We do have that composting resource on the list, guys. So we get you started composting. Get your home compost. It's easy to brew it into a tea, right? You just get a little mesh bag, paint strainer. Yes. Areas ideally,

a 400 micron is the ideal size of the whole the mesh on your it's on your bag good. If you don't have a 400 micron bag, the word from Elaine England was a pillowcase is pretty dangerous. Go ahead, use something like a pillowcase. If that's all you got, it won't last forever. Eventually, they just integrate.

Everyone's got a pillowcase, though, that's dope everybody's

got. I mean, you, most people, I like to think everyone has. I

hope so. I if you're listening to this program and you don't have, we can help in your life. Yes, reach out hope that harvest comes through. You know, I've heard the mesh paint strainers are similar, yeah,

and but you know, you can get your compost and just put some compost into your little strainer thing and put that over a bucket, or dunk it in the bucket and just, you know, let it passively drip off. And everything that drips off passively, you don't want to push water with force through it. Just want to let it slowly drip through it. That's all beautifully loaded with organic, soluble, ready to go, humic acids, which are just the favorite food of your biology that you're trying to grow.

Oh my goodness, that's delicious. So let's go over the three different just really quickly, like the three different approaches there. So the first thing you're saying is passing water through your compost. You're going to pull those humic acids, you're probably going to pull some biology as well, right? Anything that catches on to that water flow and goes through, that's a great way to make your own humic acids, pretty close, but not the same as a compost extract, right? Which is where, right? Take that back. And more vigorous Are you do? You agitate it? Is that what you do? You dunk

it in, agitate the big cheese. Is that of it? Yeah, you try to agitate. You try not to lose all your material, but you're trying to actually get that bacteria to let go, because it's really stuck on tight with that glomelin that they produce. So they really, really stick. It isn't that easy to shake them up. So you're shaking the crap out massage. In it and shaken and massage and shaken and stirring the massage. So then you get off as much of that bacteria and fungi that you can that way, and you'll have it a much more biologically active extract than if you just passively let some water drip through. Then you really are getting mostly just the soluble humic acid, right? You're not getting very much bacteria and things if you're just letting the water drip through, like that. It's

almost confusing, because the compost extract process is almost like making tea with a tea bag, right? Like you're dunking it. You're like, maybe you give it a press on you to give it a press on the side of the car. Squeeze that bitch out. Yeah.

Get crazy. Go go ballistic. Don't break the bag. But yeah, agitated as much as you can without losing all your contents, right? And

then that's happening over just the course of a few minutes, as opposed to the compost tea, which is aerated,

right? You can do compost tea and brew that for days and days, you know, especially if the weather's right, you can and you want to make it fungal. The longer you brew in, the warmer temperature you brew in, the more fungal activity will start happening in there. I didn't know that. Yeah, if you want a real quick, easy bacterial thing, you know, eight hours is playing. But if you want some fungal activity happening, you can brew for weeks been summertime, longer and warmer. Yeah, longer and warmer gets you more fun little

things. I did not know that. So the difference between the extract, which is just kind of a few minutes agitated, and the aerated tea, my understanding is you'll get a wider diversity in the extract because you haven't given them time to, like, have one species dominate, correct? So we might want to use the aerated one in, like, an IPM scenario. I mean, is that what you recommend? Oh,

yeah, definitely. The glorious thing about an extract is that you can just really quickly get some extra biology out there. Now, without, you know, if you just don't have time, or maybe you just don't have power, you don't have, you know, an electrical something. You know, maybe you're an off grid thing and everything's shut down, but you can still get something that way. But if you've got the thing to brew it, and you really get the time, you get the build up of the biology in there. There's, like, at least, every half hour, they double their population. There's, as you say, a lot more diversity going on, because you can add not only your compost that you put in the bag, but you can add some the biology that from the soil that grows around you, that is around you in the ground, some a handful of straw, something, put that in the bag, you get more protozoas and things off of that. There's things you can do to enhance your compost tea, you know, and really get a lot of interesting diversity that, you know, it's just at such a smaller scale in the extract, but it's better than not that definitely a great thing to do.

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not does good stuff, yeah, the good stuff that you wanted went away with that oil. Unfortunately, you're getting precious a little in what's left after that. So, yeah, if you're looking for hydrolysate, look somewhere in the package to see if it's cold processed, if there's heat in any way in the process they were taken. They oiled.

Fucking brilliant. Mary Beth, and you know, it's hard, because in the cannabis industry, on one side of the coin you have the green tax, which is people making things more expensive just because it's for cannabis. And then on the other side of the coin you have situations like this, where it's like, oh no, no. There's a reason that humic acid is cheaper than that humic acid. It's not so there's really a reason. If you look into the production of the fish, hydrolysate example, is perfect, where one is a byproduct that's essentially been stripped of what you want already, and you're going, Hey, 599 I ain't gonna buy the can, the weed specific one. They're just trying to green tax. Me fuck that. So I'm always for avoiding the green tax. But sometimes there's a reason. Sometimes you're shooting yourself in the foot. Yeah,

you really you have to know a little bit about the ingredients. And that's another big caution. I always tell people about the humic acids. The cheaper humic acids are generally because it's a byproduct of the coal industry, so there's just so much of it, and they're like, Oh, hey, we can do something with this. So they go ahead and they use a process to extract the humic acids out of the soft bituminous coal and these kind of things. And it's fine. It's it'll work fine once it's been in the soil for six months. But six months is a long time. But prior to that, six months, when they were making it, they denatured it because of the process, the process that it had to go through, naturally takes all the power away from those humic acids, so they will have that power back again when they're returned to the soil for a while, which, like I say, six months is the average recommended time. But if you need fast results now, you've got to get the ones that are ready now, and that's the one that you're going to leach out of compost. Ideally, that's idealist, that the best or the really good cold, processed ones, which didn't take the nature out of the casted and that would be the sea bed and the lake bed,

the good stuff. Yes, yeah,

they cost more, but, oh, they're worth it. There's a member

video that is going to post soon with Brandon rust, where he talks about labeling cool, and he talks about exactly this, where, where, what you're allowed to call fulvic acids and humic acids, they can be totally different things. Basically, he said, Yes, the the leonardite stuff, will have some of what you're looking for, but it's totally different than this other process that is, like, filtered and isolated, it or whatever. So just a really cool video to check out again in membership if you want grow cast podcast.com but that's an important buy. You're going to use that humic acid. It's going to be an important addition to your soil. It's a great addition to your compost teas, in fact, right? Oh

yeah. Oh out. It's 100% that's there you go. Food of the biology you want. The good stuff is, I know we always want to add stuff that appeals to us. That's like the my lashes, and the oatmeal and stuff. It's

so sweet. They taste so sweet, but it tastes good. We're so stupid, but stupid

humic acid really is their favorite food. So whatever else you're going to add, be sure to have the humic acid in there for sure, and hopefully the highest quality one. But good things to get in for your little extra proteins and carbohydrates are, like I said, the hydrolysate, but also the grains, such as oatmeal. And if you're going to use things like oatmeal or wheat or whatever you want, them ground to a fine powder as fine as you can. So usually people will recommend, like, get baby oatmeal because it's already ground. We're ridiculous. Fine powder, interesting. Maybe the rice would work the same way too. I haven't tried it. Oatmeal is especially recommended, and I just, I think I would want to get it organic. Now that I know about the glyphosate stuff, I want to try to run away from oatmeal, because it's famous for being loaded with glyphosate. But do. Just, you know, their organic oats are available. If you look for them, they don't have glyphosated

Good, good stuff. If that matters to you, that you can do it. Oh, no. I love it. I love those types of considerations. But those are all good things to consider adding to your to your compost, tea, native soils, native grasses and straws, anything, fish, as long as it's natural. And like you said, cold press anything fishy is is good in there, humic acids, of course, and stuff from the sea. You know, people had seaweed powder or spirulina things like that.

Often, people will make a little extra fungal block in advance of their compost tea that they create out of using compost mixed with a whole bunch of this hydrolysate or oatmeal, and get get your moisture exactly right. And I forget what the ratios are actually. I have the recipe somewhere. I should post it to you, and you can put in the discord. Yeah, it's a good recipe to get a little fungal block growing that you can add to your compost tea and just have all those hyphae in there too. When you finally put it out, they will start to regenerate and make fungal action your soil.

Yeah, those, uh, those fungal blocks can be super, super beneficial. Have you been on a show with Jacob Oklahoma fungi? You two know each other, right? Oh,

God, I think I did once, and I meant to see one once, I missed it. Man, yeah, I still haven't watched YouTube.

I remember you were either in chat or you were on the show. I

think we were, yeah, I think we were on one of your maybe girl cast TV things,

such a dream team, super Dream Team. But he said the same thing. You know, if you have a if you have a mushroom block that's been infested with trichoderma and it's all green, he said, chop that bitch up, and it's perfect for your cannabis garden. Perfect for your compost teas. Fine. Yeah, that's great, but trichoderma is probably gonna be pretty aggressive in a tea at a man.

Oh, and here's another thing to to take note of. If you're making compost piles and you have mushrooms that grow in your area, collect all the mushrooms that you can and add them to your compost pile. After the compost pile is in the cooling off stage. Don't do it when the really hot stage, because you fungal don't like the hot stage so much. But when the pile is going down, add these mushrooms to your pile, and the biology in there will work on them, and they'll break them down. And because fungi are loaded with mineral content of every kind,

wow. So just doesn't matter what type of mushroom is it is.

Yeah, they're loaded with them, especially things like calcium, and because they love carbon and you know, they're also the other minerals, but they're just low. The colors of the mushrooms are because of all the minerals they carry and collect in their bodies. It's something, oh, that makes sense. So, yeah. And when the bacteria is breaking them down, they have them in their body. And when that bacteria goes back to your plants, whether you put your compost down, or your compost tea, or whatever, or you're sharing all those nutrients again, and it's a good thing to do. And if you like to collect mushrooms and just have that extra nutrient mineral value going into your pile,

that's nice. What about throwing something like that in a compost tea? Like just you find a mushroom in the yard and they're throwing it in the compost tea?

Well, you're you're spreading spores around, for sure. You know, it's organic matter. It cannot hurt, right, right?

Okay, I like it the wild mushrooms, wild mushroom tea. And then also, just to recap, love the consideration between those differences in compost usage, passing water through for humic acids, agitating and dunking for a compost extract, and then aerating from a compost tea, of course, aerating narrowing the number of microbes that are going to be present as far as variety, but increasing the number as far as totality, so a bunch of a few kinds, way

increasing, yeah, just a void of the population exposed. And if you want to do something fun and do weird experiments with molasses. Molasses is like a really great bacterial food because of all the sugar, right? But in extreme quantities, it can be a great fungal food. And so what all what's happening is that you'll feed the bacteria so much that you'll get what's called a bacterial bloom, like you pour in your molasses and oh, boy, look at that ball. I'm excited. And you go, and those bacteria are partying like there's no tomorrow, and they use up all the oxygen before it can reproduce itself on, you know, so they all die off because they used up all their oxygen. They were partying so hard. And so then, without the competition from the bacteria, then the fungi have a chance to just choose all the resources for themselves. And so your fungus will, oh, I'm happy to bacteria to bring me down. Yeah, yeah. So you get fungal blooms that way. It's kind of kind of a thing you might want to experiment with.

Yeah. I like. That. Okay, so that's another thing, right? Sugars, and specifically molasses. It seems like, I mean, there's a little bit of a like, uh, splitting the room that happens with molasses, but not really. And some people swear by it. Some people say molasses is my secret to my compost tea, to my bed,

fabulous. It's fabulous for getting your bacteria to grow like crazy, you know. And you be careful with it if you want a hell of a lot more bacteria. And if you're growing vegetables, and you know, crops like cannabis, they're only an annual crop, it's not a perennial. So you can just it, can allow the hell out of all that bacteria. But with you want more fungal stuff going you got to use so much that you kill off most bacteria. And then, did I ever tell you the story of the bears and the molasses and the growth of them over elves? I don't

think so. Oh, please enlighten us

out at the nursery. When I used to work at the nursery, we would get molasses in barrels out there, part of what we used it for was to mix with water to spray on the dust, so they would keep the dust down where our property was. It's also good for that. But so one of these barrels was waiting for its chance to be turned into, you know, the syrup that you spray on the ground for the dust. And it had been sitting there for a while, and the bears came through the woods, and the bears said to hold molasses. Of course, they want molasses, and they tried everything to get into the barrel, but the barrels are pretty tough. They could poke some holes in it, but they couldn't really get in very well. So they've knocked the barrels over, and the barrels had holes in the molasses dripped out, and the Gyps there's like this little river of molasses going away from the barrel for some distance down the driveway area there. And sure enough, when it was time for Morel season, that just bloomed like crazy all along that trail of molasses. Oh, it's amazing. So I'm thinking something happened like that back here, that bloom, and the morel said, Hey, we like this. We were never seen here before. I was the lucky recipient of the majority of those.

That's wild so you observed that phenomenon you just described in real time in nature, triggered by a bear, no less, an ER sign event, yeah,

and the trail was obvious, because it was definitely where the molasses was it they've sustained, you know,

Jesus and then the morels just bust in the next year.

Poof, wow. Right along there. It was so cool. I

love a good foraged Morel. That is, I didn't even realize. I just discovered that at like, age 3032, whenever it was, I'd never had a morel before, so, oh, boy, yeah.

Now we're always looking for him, but so are other people. So I know

you mushroom foragers are like, you treat your you treat your mushroom locations like a like a pirate treasure, like a

deathly never reveal the location.

Never reveal the location. You're willing to kill over this treasure map for this freaking mushrooms like, sorry, I asked buddy, I just want, like one to go home and saute in a little kid, you got bags. I know you got bags, so I don't want to, I don't want to change the subject on this, this podcast feed too much, but that's something we do cover in membership a lot, which is mushrooms and foraging. Just, I shouldn't say a lot, but we occasionally make time for that subject. So I love talking about it's

always a great any kind of fungus is great for your compost pile. We're assuming you're not talking pathogenic fungal type things. We're talking about, you know, the mushrooms you see, plants that grow mushrooms aren't the pathogenic stuff, unless you're talking our malaria or something. You know that is that really kills living. Plants are malaria, Malia kill your living, right? But it's an edible mushroom, so you can eat it. Before

you get to my plan, I'll eat you. That's the ultimate IPM, right? You just eat the pest in your garden.

Sure. Why not eat the pest food? Or, yeah,

whatever you can whatever is edible. Yeah. So, so, yeah, I love it. And stay tuned for some more mushroom talk. I do like going into that realm, because, you know, they they play into each other so much like I imagine you on your land for, for, I don't know how many years now you've had that property, but like I said, you're thinking long term. I imagine that fungal life is one of the top priorities to like, regenerating a piece of land, making a land more farmable. Do you want to talk about that a little bit, either theoretically or

super important to me? It's one of my pet peeve passion things. Because, yeah, we're kind of living here on an example of what can happen if soil gets overly compacted. Because what really happens in nature, you know, it's the succession thing. And where I live is an early succession for a stage. And at that stage, the soil is still not fabulous. There is not near the fungal activity and diversity that I would love to see. And at this point, the. Soil is mostly bacterial still. But as the years go by, as you were saying, you know, you got your plan. You got to keep working on the more that we add organic matter, the more that we don't till, the more that we get the compost and compost tea applied, the more that we put on mulches, heavy mulches, the more the soil becomes penetrable. What we have here is basically clay and rock, clay and rocks, clay and rocks. The old joke about this place is, you know, when God finished creating the earth, he took all the leftover rocks.

It's bizarre, because you'll be driving, you look out the window and and after, like, uh, for instance, after a forest fire, there's just a bunch of rocks in the forest, just like someone just scattered him there. Like, it's very bizarre to look at, yeah, it's

like, we do so much growing in pots here, because nobody can just dig in the soil. It's that you have to have pickaxes and dynamite to get to the rocks and the clay and stuff. So the more you leave it alone, the better. Anytime you disturb it, the worst sorts of weeds are the first ones to come up because they want to cover that soil. God bless them, but I don't want to see Star pistol everywhere. You know, it's painful, but better weeds come up as the soil improves, you get less noxious weeds and more things that you don't mind seeing, like Mullen and plantain and things that are, you know, less painful when you walk into step bottom with bare feet, you know, oh

my gosh. So when you're dealing with the compacted and clay and rocky soil, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't you mentioned fungi? Isn't that what you want in that what you want in that scenario, like bacteria aren't going to help you as much, then the fungi want fungi to

break up that clay. Yeah, fungi is the magic power which, there's a word called flocculation, and that's a fun word, flocculation, if you're flocculate your soil, if your clay needs to be flocculated, that means you're taking it from a clay likes to stack up like platelets and get really tight and no air and water can pass through. That makes it like so you pour in your water and nothing penetrates when it's dry. So when you block you late your clay, which is what something that the fungus is capable of doing last night, that's also what the gypsum will do too. But Gypsum is less friendly the biology, but it like breaks up all those plates. It makes air passages, water passages begin to happen, and the tentacles, maybe I want the hyphae of long guy will collect and aggregate your your clay particles and your little rock clips and things and make passageways by squeezing them into the little balls so things can pass through, instead of them being like a solid piece of what's that candy, caramel? You know, nothing can penetrate

that stuff. Water just runs right off it under that soil, the worst kind of it's, yeah, it's the caramel layer. You're right. I know that. Yeah, if you look at a, if you look at a dissection of the Earth's crust, you got that caramel layer. That's not what

you can find. That hardly find bacteria. And that's, yeah, if it grows anything, grows weeds, and so they do nothing but till, until it and so you've got, like, you know, talcum powder, Clay. Oh, it's

horrible. So you've worked hard at this, though, and have you seen your land transform over the years? It

has gotten so much improvement, like soil that used to be like a rock. Now you you can walk in spring in your step, you know that kind of thing, like, I say, the improvement in the ground cover, weeds are so, so different. It's just like we don't have near the weeding to do with the noxious stuff, as we used to do, and the more we just keep spreading out that area that we're trying to maintain. Because, you know, it's just two of us working on it. It's been almost 20 years here now, but it is really it's so different. When I look at the pictures of what this was like when we first moved in, we didn't even have anything planted really in the backyard. There were some native trees. But now it's full of fruit trees, grape vines, all kinds of ornamental things, all kinds of, you know, just a lot of variety. And that's another thing that, over the long term, improves your soil, improves your your garden biology, because you get more diversity of everything when you get more diversity of plants. I love it. So we have a lot of different kinds of things, you know, just all over hither and thither. Nothing is like a row of soldiers. It's all just like kind of scattered Mandarin, haphazardly ish, just like in nature. If you want to grow vegetables, raised beds are best in an area like this, especially to start with, until you can ever get some soil that's really

bad. Put a few years under your belt. Well, you can do

the hugel culture and compost things in your raised beds, and you get kind of the same effect if you're using big raised beds, especially, you know, outdoors, something of a. Significant size, so you can use a lot of that kind of material and still be doing that kind of stuff that you wish you were doing in the soil. You'll have some contact with the soil. If your raised beds are, you know, in direct contact with the soil. Just make sure that you have something at the base to keep the gophers from tumbling up. Yes, true. Because yes, they will, but you get some benefit

there. That's true. So I want to talk about this from two different persons. Different perspectives. One from like situation where you are at where you have a piece of property and you're trying to improve it, and the other one, which is more of like a suburban perspective, which is like, what can we do in our yard? So so let's start with the first one, which is like, if you have a new piece of property and you want it to be more natural and wild, like what you just described. What are your first considerations? Mulch, fungi. What do you do

first? Yeah, mulch, mulch, mulch, mulch, because that you know, mulch will do so much for you. Mulch will encourage the fungi without you having to try and it gets your soil so ready for whatever you want to put into it. The deeper the mulch, the better. I say. You know, if you can get 12 inches of mulch, you're in heaven. Eight to 12 inches is

glory. Are we not mulching thickly enough? Mary Beth, is that what I'm hearing? Well, you

know, right next to the plant itself, you want to keep the mulch right off of the plant. You don't want it to be really touching it, because you don't want to create a moisture issues, and root stem rot, trunk rot, and that kind of thing. So you keep it right off of the back part of the plant, at least you know enough room to put your hand in there, your fingers or whatever. But other than that, it should be deep, especially if you want to grow fungus. The rule for growing fungus is the diameter the cap of the mushroom you're trying to grow it. One inch of mulch will give you a one inch diameter cat out of here. Two inch of mulch will give you a two inch diameter cap. Three inch of mulch will give you a three inch and so well, wouldn't you love a 12 inches of mulch and you're growing like King straferia mushrooms and things like that, garden giants. There's some mushrooms that are so beneficial to your soil that you can get those in there. They'll really help you to remediate soil like mine. That just means fungus so bad. Oh, being is was volcanic not many years ago. As far as geological terms, our soils really kind of young here, so we don't have as much fungus as I would love. And so all the fungus you can add is a glorious thing. Spread those spores around, and then you can do it. But mulch is one of the favorite things fungus to

love to grow in. Oh my goodness. As if this episode wasn't jam packed enough with tips from the from the fungal stuff to the compost stuff to now. Now this is a huge takeaway. Not mulching deep enough. I'm certainly guilty of that. I love hearing shit like that on the show, stuff like that. Forgive me my foul mouth, and

it is the kind of stuff, though, really the fungus loves that kind of material. Look at how carbon heavy it usually is. And obviously we're not talking about black plastic mulch. We're talking about organic wood chips, straw, something like that, leaves, dried leaves, anything that you can pile up, heavy like that, high carbon materials, a fungal friend,

wow. Okay, so that's another huge takeaway. So mulch, add biology, start growing things. Don't rely on the soil those first few years. Instead, grow in a raised bed, like you said, but tend to the soil for your future projects. I think that's a great game plan. Well,

what I have here is a lot of twigs and things fall, twigs and branches, because, you know, the oak trees and things, stuff falls, the snow comes, branches, breaks, stuff like that. A lot of that, you can take all that kind of material and fill up your raised beds with it, and then, you know, chink it up with your leaves. And then your whatever soil that you have is, you know, more like sand and clay and stuff soy textured soil to get it to fill your beds that way, so you don't have to, like, go out buy 100,000 bags of potting soil to fill your raised beds, right? And you can still get that huge culture thing going on in there, you know. But think about the size of your pot when you're filming it up. And you don't want one giant log in a pot, one giant log you're going to get, you know, little smaller sticks and things like that for smaller pots. But the bigger your outdoor situation is no everybody's got a different thing going on. So But think about that. You can still use those things to teach your biology really high, and you'll notice your plants. Just know

that now, like you said, kind of everybody being in a different situation? What if we are in more of a suburban or urban area where we've got our backyard, right? It's probably like a lawn. Maybe we have some bushes or some trees. We've got our backyard garden out there. What do you recommend as far as, like, all purpose spray, I don't know, like, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Like, is it labs or things like humic acids that would go well on like, lawns? And trees and your backyard garden. What's an all purpose lawn enhancer? Oh,

well, for preventative, preventative for disease and pests. You know, dr, zymes is my good call.

That's safe. All that good stuff, good call, yeah.

And if some weird, crazy thing happened to come up that threw me for a loop, I might, you know, either concentrate more zymes in that direction, or if it didn't seem to be the thing that was doing the trick, I'd go with those other things that we mentioned, like you said, the trichoderma, the labs, etc, things that are really more hardcore long term. Oh,

yeah. So that's a very all purpose, broad spectrum preventative. But the compost tea

too. You know, with the way I used to do it at the nursery, which was very successful for me, was I would alternate spraying at the preventative spraying maintenance with the doctor signs, and I alternate that with spraying of the compost tea, because I always made it regularly there. So I always made sure that even if I had decreased some of the biology with spraying of the signs, that I did replenish it very quickly with

almost nice that's smart, yeah, good call a compost tea would go I'm sure if I sprayed a compost tea on my lawn, it would go nuts. That's probably a really good suggestion. Broad Spectrum compost tea. You know

what's cool, but you ought to try some time, Jordan, do part of it with and part without, and just go blow your mind that the difference. And then, oh, my God, then, like, write a word with the compost. Write your name. I'll make

an Instagram post about that. That's a great idea. That

would be fun, right? Grow cast, yeah, exactly. Grow Your Own,

yeah. I love it. So that would make sense. You know, broad spectrum beneficials. That's why this stuff is so magical. It's why microbes are magical, because they're either what drives this whole natural process. So spread them everywhere and and spread them on your lawn. Don't forget to attend to that lawn. Absolutely,

you know, because lawns are one of the biggest users of commercial pesticides. And, you know, chemical things, of all the products out there, one of the biggest causes of the runoff of these things into the waterway. And you know, the golf courses that are figuring it out and getting into doing things the more intelligent way, or getting compost, compost tea and that kind of stuff. And they're finding happy lungs that aren't full of rust and disease and spots of dead patches and, yeah, they're just like happy grass, right? Wow. Funny

how that works, right? You get the magic of microbes going. You don't have those problems. One more product I would like to plug here before we wrap up this amazing show. Don't touch that dial yet. This is a good one, I think that I was talking about with you as well. Mary Beth, but Steve potent, ponics recommended as a preventative for pests. The garlic barrier not a sponsor. Don't know who makes it, I forget who makes it bio something or other. It's basically just garlic oil, and it really works the stuff. It stinks. It makes your whole backyard smell like Italian food. It smells I think it smells great, but it really keeps pests away. And like you said, it's completely you don't have to worry about all those nasty herbicides, and specifically, pesticides is for keeping pests away, obviously, by going these natural routes, and the garlic barrier has been my number one lawn protector. So shout out, garlic barrier. I think I'm gonna try to make my own garlic oil. How hard could it be? Right? It can't be

press it. It can't be hard at all. Do it if you've got a source of garlic that's cheap, it's great. And what I discovered this year was it's very repellent to rabbit. Oh, really, rabbits and deers. And I had rabbits come in my garden early this season, where there were holes in the fence that we were I was up, and in comes a rabbit and starts pruning things that I did not want burned. I was quite unhappy, and so, yeah, I got some of that guard stuff, and I just started going to town with it, thinking, I hope that hell, this stuff works. I wasn't smelling it that much, but my nose, unfortunately, is not as sensitive as other people, so that's just probably partly my problem. But anyway, I didn't see any more rabbits coming around. I didn't see any more rabbit damage. I sprayed it around the entryways, the fences where holes were, the places you know, even when we blocked them up, I still want to make sure nobody dig in. You don't want to come in here and definitely around the plants, what they were attacking, and I don't know more, nothing happened after

that. No, that's great to hear, yeah, because it's pretty broad spectrum. So okay, so the Year of the Rabbit, it's been multiple rabbit attacks. Yeah,

I don't want to kill me before the rabbit. Stay out of my garden.

Spray with the garlic oil. Get out of here. Here's some here's some sauce for you. Hit the bricks. Oh, Mary Beth, we love you. This hour flew by. This episode was amazing. I know you listeners enjoyed this. If you loved this incredibly educational and enlightening episode. Share this show. Check out all of Mary Beth's bonus content. Grow cast podcast.com, click membership. She's in there all the time. Mary Beth, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thanks for having this conversation. Compost the lost, almost art.

Let's keep it going. Every episode you come on this show, you totally kick butt, and you're helping members in the garden every day. So I cannot thank you enough. Seriously, thank you so much. All right, I'll let you go so you can go tend to your garden. We love you. I know I'll go get back to work saving Yeah, that's right. Full time job you do amazing. That's right. Love you. Mary Beth, take care. Okay, thank

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