☢️ Vector Tips, Disinfectant Product Breakdown, and Resetting the Grow, with Jason from Filtr

12:14PM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Keywords:

cleanliness practices

resetting room

disinfectant products

AC Infinity

grow kits

multiple spaces

clean room expert

microbe control

food safety

sticky mats

surface clean

contact time

biofilms

HVAC filtration

risk reduction

Greetings, growers of the world back with more grow cast, keeping it clean. Folks, today we have Jason Hadley back on the line. You know what's up. We're talking about resets, that time in between runs, resetting your room, cleaning your room, understanding cleanliness practices and going deep into different cleaning solutions. Today's a jam packed episode filled with fun facts. I know you're gonna love it, but before we jump into it with Jason, shout out to AC infinity. That's right. Acinity.com, code, growcast one five gets you the biggest savings available on each product, including their grow kits. That's right, the grow kit has everything you need to get started, all packaged up into one nice kit. You get your tent, you get your light, you get your fans, pots, all of the things that you need, except for some dirt and some seeds. And you can get growing or get that veg tent going. You know, if you're only running one tent, you need to get that veg tent going so that as soon as you harvest, you got some more plants ready to flip. That's gonna really do a number on your total yearly harvest, and increase your production substantially. I highly recommend having multiple spaces, even if you just need a little two by two. Grab the cheapest kits around. Go to AC infinity.com. Use code grow. Cast one five. I love their fans. I love their tents. You will not go wrong. Plus, they got a bunch of other stuff. They got glasses for in your grow they got twist ties and ratchet hangers all sorts of cool stuff. It's all at AC infinity.com. Go and grab some gear. Treat yourself this holiday season and make sure to use grow, cast one five as your code. That is how you support the show, and you support our partners, and you support your own grow so AC infinity.com, code grow, cast one five, always. Thank you to everyone who supports us and uses our codes, and thank you to AC infinity. All right, let's get into it with Jason. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show with a grower. Turn someone on to growing. It's the best way that you can make an impact in the cannabis community. Follow us on Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. Make sure that you're subscribed. I appreciate you tuning in and a special thanks to all the members who make this community possible. Oh, today we're keeping it clean. Everybody. You know the slogan, keep it clean. Today we're talking about just that. We're talking about cleaning rooms. We're talking about resets, what to do in between runs, how we should be approaching that time that we have in between each harvest, and we have a clean room expert, I would certainly consider him a keep it clean expert, Jason from lighthouse and filter is back on the line. What's up, Jason? How you doing? Man,

I am fantastic, and it is always awesome to be back. Your audience is fantastic. They oftentimes reach out to me after the show. And, you know, very inquisitive folk know what I mean? Can Canvas has a lot of really smart people in it, you know what I mean? And I love, I love the industry for that. That's

great, man, your Instagram is definitely a must follow. Why don't you throw out the Instagram handle for all the people who want to follow you and get some really cool, like, visuals your posts. Sometimes you post, like, funny stuff about, you know, dirty rooms and dirty people, but you also have really cool, like, informational graphics that show you really, really cool visual representation. So where can people follow

you? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm primarily on the Instagram because I'm a Gen Xer and I hate social media in general, but I'll tolerate it. I'll tolerate it in order to help build a following and spread the gospel, if you will. So if you're on the Instagram, you can find me as dyslexic stoner 402 as you can see, I live it getting all time piles with even saying it. But you know, yeah, dyslexic stoner 402 is best way to reach me. You can also email me directly at J Hadley at go lighthouse.com, that's the letter, J, H, A, D, L, E, y, at go lighthouse.com, like, I mean, the company's, you know, the company's kind of a big deal in the clean room world. And, you know, at the end of the day, Jordan, at the end of the day, man, like clean rooms and cannabis, you know, the level of cleanliness you need in cannabis, they're not that far off, you know what I mean, like in concept. Because really, what it comes down to is a clean room wants all of the particles removed. They don't give a shit, like they are just like, right? You know, terminate with extreme prejudice type of thing, right? Whereas, like cannabis, you know, it has a more narrowed size and type range, you know. So if you were to gear a microbe control program in a cannabis facility, you would want to target your smallest particle threat would be one micron and larger. Yeah, like one to two microns is like a an Aspergillus fuma goddess Spore. So at the end of the day, you're, you know, those are the smallest plant pathogens, right? I mean, we're still affected by ultra fine dust. And, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've heard about a death at a facility, and, you know, due to particulates in the air and what have you. So, you know, until OSHA steps in, it's going to be plants over people for right now. But

that's true. You're right. It's like we're taking all these different standards from other industries and applying them or not applying them to what we're doing. And, yeah, it's fascinating to see what's going to happen.

Yeah. I mean, further to that point, actually, it's funny, because the state of Michigan, for example, is considering passing something called 21 CFR, Part 117 that's the Code of Federal Regulations Part 117 which is the FDA standards for the manufacture of human food. And here's thing, like, there's usually a kill step involved in in manufacturing food like your your pasta sauce has to be a certain temperature to go into the bottle, and your meatballs have to pass on a conveyor belt at a certain speed of, say, you know, in order to achieve, you know, the kill of any bacteria that's in the meat or the vegetables or what have you. But that's to imply that, like, you're, you know, cannabis isn't growing something with a washable skin, like, like a tomato or a cucumber or something like that. I mean, as I always say, you're growing flypaper that gets you high. So it's like, yeah, it's delicate, and it's just extremely sensitive overall, you know. I mean, in the real world, we can be dirty, gross people all day long, and look at the pink mold in the corner of your shower, and you can live with that in the real world. But if you're if your plants have to answer to some kind of like compliance standard, like you can't have certain molds or a certain volume of mold within within your final product, like you have to segregate the you know, your process and be extra considerately clean. You know what I mean? That's not really a word, but you know what I'm saying

absolutely. And you know, it's something that I encourage overall as growers, because I do think that it's going to be one of the ways that certain people could try to attack home grow, right? This is really easy argument to make, and I think that it's largely a faulty argument in that I don't think it's worth exchanging our rights to grow at home. But what they're gonna say is, hey, you're producing medicine, but you could be dirty. Have you? Have you tested for how much bacteria or, you know, fungal activity could be going on in that home grow? Now we all know that the white market also lies and does dirty things and skews their tests and does, oh, sure, so I'm not, I'm certainly not on that side. But that is an argument that I feel some people will try to make against home grow, you know, so we should be cleaner at home?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, and here's the thing, is, it doesn't take a whole lot. I mean, it can't depending on the level of sophistication you want to, you want to create. I mean, most people aren't going to create a clean room environment, in their home environment, let alone in in a commercial facility, that that's not going to happen. But what you can do is take a lot of the things and the concepts, the practices, the equipment, you can you can meld it all in. So my job on my Instagram page, for example, is to take all this, like, stuff that people go to four year universities to learn, right? There's degrees. And, like, industrial hygiene. And, you know, I just recently got a food safety certificate for HACCP, you know, just to sharpen my sword, right? And, like, if you can live between pharmaceutical at the top end and food manufacturing standards at the bottom end. And again, you're kind of, you know, this industry is built on MacGyver isms. So my job is to take all of this information and boil it down into, like, either something that makes you go, Whoa, that shits trippy, or, holy hell, that's hilarious, you know, like, put it in some lowbrow dick joke style way.

Or, like, adjustable. I think, I think to be a little more charitable here. So, yeah, I mean, yeah, you see, you see the diagram, and you're like, Oh, I could incorporate this step by step practice of like, enter my grow room here, take off my shoes. Hit the sink right away, you know, like, I can, I can see what you're saying, boiling it down from a broader perspective to something more digestible.

Yeah, for sure. And, you know, I mean, like, the, you know, the visuals on the account are really designed that you can't unsee it. You know what? I mean, like, you gotta remember, I was like, a 15 year stand up comic through my whole cannabis career, so all this, all the joke writing, is coming into play. Do they all land? No.

Oh, that's besides the point, though, that's

besides the point. And if it's not funny, it's at least informative, right? Yes, absolutely.

But on the subject of cleaning and cleanliness, Jason, for the home grower, what ends up happening is we have these cycles, these runs, right? Sometimes we only have 110 and it's especially pronounced where, like we pop the seeds, we vegetate, we fly. Hour, and then we harvest, and then that reset time, that's where all the cleaning is taking place. 90% of growers, that's where all the cleaning is taking place after you've harvested, before you start your next run. So before I go even deeper into that, let me just get your opinion right there. Yeah, no, I'd be cleaning during the run as well. No,

not as much, because you know, again, you know you're you're, you don't want to disrupt the process. I would say this. You're right. 90% of the cleaning is done during the the reset of like a home growers tent, but 100% of the time you need to be focused on preventing things from even getting in there. So in other words, like, you can apply all the cleaning agents and pro cure slow releases and all that stuff all day long. But if you don't make like behavioral changes or like process changes, you're going to keep reintroducing the problem. So sure you know what I mean. So I take it to things of like, the concept of like, let's really understand what clean means, right? So, like, in a food factory environment, they would use a device called an ATP meter, where somebody would take a reading of a surface before they'd execute the cleaning protocol, then they'd swab it again and put it inside this machine, and it should the number should be lower than before. Ergo, you're demonstrating you're clean. A lot of the home growers, you know, we kind of come from the world of, well, if it looks clean and it smells clean, then it must be clean. Hell yeah, brother. And that's not always the case. But also, the other thing too is that, you know, there are very specific terms that that divide levels of cleanliness. So Colloquially speaking, like we tend to intertwine sanitize, sterilize and disinfect are, like, kind of often used interchangeably when we're talking about cleaning. However they, in fact, have very distinct meanings, like within the industries that those concepts are applied. For example, sanitizing is really designed more for like bacteria and food environments, like food factories, restaurant environments, stuff like that. Disinfection is starting to get more into, like the hospital level, which is, like, you know, because we're looking for molds, we're looking for also bacteria, but also virus as well, right? You know, those types of things, and then you have sterilized, which is the highest level of cleanliness. And so what that, what sterile means, is, not only have you killed every microbe on that surface, but there are no corpses there either.

Jesus. Okay, so sterilization is misused in writing, because we have those things, inherently, root zones and all that good stuff.

So every home grower is going to have a bottle of Lysol under their bathroom sink, right? Because you're at home, every home has a bottle of Lysol or some sort of spray disinfectant, right? And if you look on the front, it says, kills 99.9% and then there's an asterisk, yes, right? So when it comes to talking about cleaning and cleanliness, that asterisk means that if used directly or like follow further directions, if used as directed, it will achieve that level of kill. So one of the big things that I would suggest, and all of that 90% of the reset process, is take that time between the reset processes to understand what the clean or what are your cleansers designed to do and how to apply them. So there's something called contact time. If you look on that bottle of Lysol, in fact, wouldn't you know it? Old hag leader happens to have one right by his computer, and it says, you know, spray and leave wet for 30 seconds to kill E coli. Leave spray and leave wet for 10 minutes to clean, you know, Aspergillus and you know, so there's different levels of of things you have to figure out what you're trying to kill.

Yes, you know, absolutely. And I want to get into all those cleansers specifically before we do that, though, let's dial it back just a second to what you said before, so we're in the reset time. And you said, you know, before you go in there and clean everything and try to kill off everything and make it you got to make sure that you're not inviting the pathogen or the pest back into your garden. Now, I'd like to focus on there is vectors, right? This, this word. I've used it on the podcast before. Someone recently wrote me, saying, Can you explain what that what that means, vectors, just basically meaning the thing that brings in the pest, right? So, so a vector of a virus would be somebody who's sick bringing it to you. They were they vectored that virus to you. It can be the same with an insect pest, a pathogen, a viroid, what have you listing those vectors, and getting those down is so much more important than making sure your space is clean. You're absolutely right. And I think that there's some we don't think of, and I think that there's some that we think of way too much. So for instance, I work with a lot of home growers, and Jason, honestly, the number one vector that I see hands down. It doesn't matter what it is, it's. Taking someone else's cut. I see them taking someone else's cut, and it brings in whatever you want to say, You know what? I mean, that's probably the number one vector that I see. But you tell me, let me put it this way. It is

like a tie for first across the board. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, for some people, their main problem is, like, you know, I keep bringing cuts in and I keep giving myself stuff. The other time, it's like, oh, I let my dog run around in the same room that my tent is in. That's or for sure, gets talking, you know, pets for sure, depending on what you do for work during the day, if you don't change. I mean, you should change before you go into your facility or your your you know, your growing cultivation space, I would make sure to like, have dedicated clothes and shoes, because clothes and shoes are a vector. Remember, they're walking around your house. The house itself is a problem. Is a source of these contaminants freak us out. Jason, I know it's crazy. I can't eat birthday cake anymore now, after someone blows candles out on it, right? It's an awful existence. I'm telling you,

no, but you, you is right, like that doesn't get talked about a lot yourself. You're right. What have you been walking through? Your clothes and your hair? That's a big Uh huh,

yeah, your clothes, your hair, um, remember that? You know you're walking on, perhaps carpet, or when's the last time you cleaned your flooring? You know, before you you created that path. So one thing I might suggest, either right inside or just outside the door of wherever this cultivation is, is, you know, deploying what would be called a sticky mat. And it's about, yeah, it's about the shape of a doormat. It comes with, like, 30 sticky sheets on it, and it's basically something that you would walk on a couple of times before you walked into the space that you're that you're growing in. And it's just a way to help pull particles off of the bottom of your feet. The other thing you could do is wear booties as well. But, I mean, in a household, that's not always practical. I guess I

like the sticky mat ideas. I don't know how many I've seen those in grows that I've gone to tour. I don't know how many home grows I've seen that have sticky mats. I mean, $23 on Amazon Prime. Yeah, you get this, and maybe possibly save your run from a horrible disaster, the stickies for your shoes. I like, I mean,

yeah, because there's, there's all these things within our house, and the technical term for it is called a fomite. A fomite is like a thing that has allows for continual deposit and travel of microbes. So like, for example, your couch, right? You go, you go out into the world, you come back home, you go sit on your couch, you deposit all the particles you picked up in the day into your couch. And then, let's say, you know, like in the commercial world, you're getting up and going to the facility that day, you go and sit on the couch in order to go put your shoes on before you leave. And you picked up all a whole bunch of other things, and you brought them into the car, and then the car, brought them into the building, and so a lot of that has to be stopped, like, right before you go into the cultivation space. No, I mean, I don't mean to beat a dead horse on this, but, you know, at the end of the day, if you can just make sure to get you keep your feet clean, you know, dedicated set of clothes, and don't let any pets or kids or anything like that in there. You know that you're probably like good to go from

that of the game, and if you do a quarantine or pop from seed, at that point, you've protected yourself quite well. I would say that's it.

I would also make sure that you're up to snuff on your HVAC filtration in your house, because, you know, some of the things that you're not I mean, it's tough because you can only put so much filtration into a home system before you experience like cooling capacity losses, or you're working your mechanicals too hard, you know, like your rooftop unit, or your, you know, the unit on the side of the house starts working too hard, so where you can't improve the household filtration. I highly recommend a HEPA filter. I mean, my HEPA filter is a little pricey for the home market, admittedly, but you know, at the end of the day, you don't have as much error volume in order to treat so you can get away with something more modest, but something that is aggressively recirculating the air. Because you will, you know, most HVAC systems for for houses aren't capturing down to like, one micron levels. Some are right. Some are improving.

That's not only good for the the safety of your grow, but I was, I was doing a different show, talking to an allergen expert who said filtering in your house is just a good idea. It's going to reduce a lot of that crap that you're breathing in. You know, we're in there too. Yeah, don't be afraid to upgrade the filter in the house or add a filter to the house. Very good advice.

I would also make sure that, like you're continually cleaning your tools. You know, gloves in the cultivation space would be super helpful as well. Your the human hand has, on average, 10,000 microbes per square. Inch, yeah. And think about it this way, man. I mean, just to kind of blow minds a little bit, if you know, let's tap into the theater of the mind for a second. Like, think about your fingerprint. Think about the how it's like, it's a ridge, right? Yeah, and a one. If those ridges of your fingerprints, those ridges and valleys. Those valleys can be about 40 to 60 microns deep, and if your smallest particle threat is one micron and larger, that means like 40 to 60 of those spores can stack on top of each other, shoulder on shoulder, and still not be able to see over the ridge of your fingerprint. So it's really easy for those, those types of spores and stuff, to be trapped in our hands. So, you know, hand washing, hand sanitizer, gloving, all that stuff. But I would be like, make it as no contact as possible, yeah. And

just keeping in mind, like, like you said, if you're going to be handling your plants and touching your buds or defoliating and things like that. It's, it's, is something gonna happen. Certainly it's not gonna certainly happen, but there is a possible vector there. I think it's a good habit to get into. I think we focus sometimes on things that are less dangerous and less likely vectors. One of the things that I get a lot is like, oh, bringing in new soil and worrying about insects and things like that. Here's something about insect pests. Insect pests, specifically, they're pests for a reason. Very few of them can just survive in dirt without a living host to feed off. That's why they're parasites, right? There are certain cases, some bugs are able to go dormant, but even usually then, those have to be triggered by cold weather events. Remember what Matthew Gates said on a recent episode? So like, people are worried, oh, I'm going to bring in this bag of soil, and I'm worried about bugs. That's much less likely than some of the things you've brought up. Ie bringing a viroid from a cut and transferring it with scissors, or one little spore of mold laying dormant somewhere, and then sprouting and proliferating, and you have bud rot. I think those types of things are more common. A lot of people about bugs in their soil.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm less concerned about the bug in the soil as much as what is riding on the back of the bug in the soil. You know, my domain is not the bug. My domain is the bugs passengers. But yes, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, the poop from the bug is food for mold. You're inside of a carbon based media, which is like, you know, soil has, like, 40,000 different species of microbes in a single teaspoon of soil. You know what I mean? Or table sterile, right? Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, a lot of people choose soil because it's forgiving and etc and so forth. I personally, I came up in rockwool, in Stonewall, so,

you know, like, clean, Jason, keep it clean. Yeah? I mean, well,

that's all. That's what I knew from the beginning. So it made sense to me. I mean, you know, it's what is it called inert. It's an inert, mineral based environment. I mean, I understand it's like a blank canvas. You got to put everything in it, and it takes a little bit of practice to work with it. But I can tell you this, that, like, which would you rather do? Would you rather have to learn how to flex a new muscle by learning to grow in like Stonewall, or would you rather be continually chasing microbes, because you can't keep bringing the problem in from from the hydro store. So think about this for a second. Let's follow this trail for a second. You go to the hydro store right, which is a microbial swingers club of all the other home growers that are coming in with their problems and resupplying and what have you. And let's say, are you going to take a bag from the outside of the pallet? Are you going to take a bag from the inside of the pallet? Because those two different those bags will have different moisture levels, which means different things might be proliferating in them. Now you're going to take that, that soil into your car, and it did any of the soil from any of the broken bags on the pallet or, you know, stuff, or is there a leak in there that's now like leaking into your car always, you know, wait, it goes even further down the rabbit hole. Now, you bring that bag of soil into your house, you bring it through your house, and hopefully you don't spill any of that soil as you go through the house, and you put it into your cultivation space, and then from there you go to use it well, when you crack the bag open, if it isn't already covered in white fur, in and of itself, because I've seen that happen, right? It happens, you know, every company experiences breakage. You know it is what it is, but now you're scooping that soil out, right? So you're scooping that soil out, and the stuff that you see in the scoop you can see with the naked eye, but the stuff you can't see with the naked eye is pluming up into the room that you're working in, and will eventually land in other places, which you can then track out of the room back into your house. And now. You've created a feedback loop of going from house to room to house to room continually, like chasing this problem.

It's a nightmare for a guy like you, finally, maybe

not finally, but like, at least during the the cultivation cycle, dirt is, you know, and soil is going to, you know, becoming like at the base of the pots when you water it's going to be tracked into, like the silvery part of your gorilla grow tent, you know, like the material handling of it, it becomes problematic because it kind of gets everywhere.

That's the importance of cleaning between runs, because, like you just said, eventually your tent starts staining brown. Now I totally follow what you just said. Coco and Rockwell growers unite. We're always talking process. I know, unpopular opinion. Good, Jason. I need it to balance out all my other guests. It's perfect. Yeah, I know it's kind of a hot take. I get. Love it. I love it. But you know what? I will admit this. I am a dirt grower, but I will admit this. You're right. It ends up getting in your tent. And if you do one run and you don't clean, yeah, no big deal. But that second run, that third run, you can start to tell that Dirk was in this fucking tent. Yeah, it's like the brown, brown stains on the floor and on the walls. So that's right, it's important to get in there every time. You don't got to worry about that with some other mediums. That's very true. Or even a DWC, you know, a soil this medium, but, yeah, you know, either way, you got to get in there and clean between those runs. Man, that's when people are going to do it. I'm glad to hear you say that it's not super necessary to, like, disrupt your grow, like you were saying, don't disrupt the process, but get in there and deep clean in between. Grow cast membership. If you love this show, you will love grow cast membership, our little club the order of cultivation. Go to grow cast podcast.com/membership, and see the hundreds of hours of bonus content, the live streams that you can engage with, Q and A's and discord access so you'll never have a problem in your garden again, plus members only, discounts, giveaways, meet ups and so much more. It's all waiting for you in membership. Go and give it a try. You can do a seven day free trial, consume all the content. Watch grow cast TV, our weekly web show. It's on video, it's live. I love hanging out with the members, solving your problems and doing these grow cast TV shows. I write some really, really cool stuff for those episodes. And again, if you like this show, you will love grow cast TV and everything we have in membership. Thank you so much to all the members. You helped me do this full time. You are the lifeblood of our community. Thank you so much to all of my supporters again. Go to grow cast podcast.com/membership, see all the offerings, and thank you so much for your support. Grow cast membership, everybody. I'll see you there. You

do you see spaces that we're missing in the home grow that we're not cleaning, that we should be? I can think of one or two.

Yeah. I mean, okay, so let's, let's walk through the reset process real quick. So you chopped all your plants. You hung them. They're being trimmed. Let's assume somewhere else, right, right? It's time to start the reset process. Because you're not going to reset while your plants are drying at the same time you might want to, but if they're drying in the same room that you're growing in, it's a problem, right? We may want to rethink how our workflow issues, to say the least, right? But let's just assume that it's time to reset. First thing I would do is bag out all of the media. In other words, I wouldn't carry pots through the house. I would bag them up in the tent, ideally, and then carry all of that out of the house to create a barrier. Yep, yep. You know,

contractor bag at the top so you're not spraying, oh yeah, dust. If you have to get that dirt out of there, don't carry out pot by pot. That's good advice. I would have never thought of that

also, as well, I'm trying to think of what else I would suggest you do a surface clean, and put all the effort into the surface clean and then spray a disinfectant. Here's the thing, unfortunately, I'm kind of suggesting that you do more work, but at the end of the day, I'm trying to make it a little bit more easy for you. So think about it this way, dirt can hide microbes. So if all you're doing is just spraying disinfectant around and assuming that that's getting the dirt, you're probably right. But what's not what it's not getting is it's not getting the microbes that are underneath the dirt, right? So the other thing too is that you have to be able to use cleansers that can eliminate biofilms. And some people might not necessarily know what a biofilm is. So I'm going to give you the explain, like I'm five version. You ready? Okay, yeah, all right. So bacteria lands on a surface, right? It's got its little hairs called flagella that like have it, let's say, in a in an irrigation line, for example, right? So bacteria gets into an irrigation line, it finds a place to root that bacteria starts to exude something called an extra cellular matrix. It's like a, basically a protective house around itself, a protective goo inside that goo. So it can feed, it can reproduce, divide, right? Other bacteria can join in. It don't even have to be the same species. And once that biofilm is filled with new bacteria, it bursts open and releases all that bacteria further down the line, gross in order to microscopic. This is all, yeah. I mean, we're talking like bacteria is like a half of a micron, right? And one micron is like 1/100 of a human hair, maybe,

right, right? So this is tiny stuff, but they're making tiny stuff. They're making their little goo, protective shield. They're partying in there. They're reproducing, and they're bursting forth, and they burst forth and they reproduce. So you won't know what you're talking about. You're saying disinfectant and wipe down should be second to a surface clean. Now, let me ask you this, are you talking about a surface clean? Like, would some soap do good? And that's, that's what sounds

Yeah. So would lift, yeah, absolutely. Now, soap would serve like, or a simple green or some, you know, something that there are things that are surfactants, which are something that cleans the surface and it's combined with a disinfectant. Those products exist as well. I mean, I don't. I think you know they're like, largely in the farm, the pharmaceutical hospital range, but you know your high you know your local hydro store or, like a janitorial supplier near you might have something like that, but basically a surface clean with soap will help. It will number one soap. The way soap works is just again, explain, like I'm five. One end of the soap molecule loves water, one end of the soap molecule hates water. So when soaps introduced, the end that hates water tries to gravitate towards anything physical it can so it's not touching water. So that's how you get that lifting action in your laundry detergent. When you see those, like 3d animation laundry commercials where it's like lifting the stain off of the cloth, that's

chemistry. You explained it like I was five, because I've never heard it put like that. That's actually super interesting, right? And then

it's also loaded with like, antibacterials as well, but like those will get bacteria because, remember, you know, humans care about bacteria more so than mold. So it's not going to get mold spores, but it will. It will help on the bacterial side as well. So once you do a complete surface cleaning, then you can, I would suggest a spray or a foam disinfectant. So like biosafe, for example, makes a foaming agent that you want to maintain as much contact time as possible. But if you clean for dirt and then disinfect, or you execute a disinfection step without cleaning the dirt first, you're kind of just power washing the exterior of the microbes house.

Man, that's a game changer, right there, the surface, right and then the disinfect I'm guilty of, the spray the disinfectant, wipe down the tent, and go, Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna promote this from now on. You do a surface clean, scrub that bitch, and then come back around and disinfect. That's yeah. And

when you, when you apply the disinfectant, you're gonna spray it and you're gonna leave it wet. You're gonna allow it to do its work. The other thing you do, yeah, right, yeah, to maintain contact time. But here's the thing to consider is that, let's say, Okay, we'll go going back to Lysol, right? If it says spray and leave wet for 10 minutes to achieve X level of eradication, but it evaporates in five minutes, then you have to go back and apply another application of the disinfectant in order to maintain that 10 minute contact time. Okay, okay, I got, you know what I mean, so that's where,

like leading on lysols part, but I'm It is, yeah, no, no, I know it is, because everybody's dazzled by the 99.9 but yet they kind of like wax on, wax off, spray it real quick, wipe it down. Ain't like that. The other thing I might suggest, too is like cleaning not just the inside of the tent, but the outside of the tent, and doing so from top to bottom, yes, I was gonna say outside of the tent, that's that's something that I see growers miss. I've talked about like fans before. Growers won't clean fans. That's one that they miss. Oh, yeah. But outside of the tent, you beat me to it. That's a curve ball. Clean the outside. I love it. Yeah?

Oh, absolutely. And then same thing with, like, that water barrier that's in there, you know, like, how sometimes grow tents have, like a little like three inch lip that goes on the floor, like a floor liner, yep, yep. You know, I mean, because sometimes you can spill water, you know, between those walls. Or,

yeah, my pools in that one corner. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah, dried salt flat over the corn, right, right? I mean,

those floor liners are great, but they're not 100% you know, I'm sure at some point you're going to experience a leak, right? If you haven't cleaned up water, are you really a grower, right? Yeah, right.

If you haven't flooded your reservoir, you haven't been growing,

that's good. So, yeah, contact time, and then cleaning outside of 10. We talked about fans. I would buy fans that you can take apart.

Yeah, the easier to take apart, the easier your time you're going to have cleaning all those individual blades, because they do get nasty. Man, if you don't clean them, you'll see how much dust builds up on those bad

you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw something out that that might, yeah. Don't know it might apply to home growers, but I suggested at the commercial scale all the time. But like, what are the things that you can replace quickly and take the dirty one back to a wash area and clean everything all at once? So, like, think about it this way. We're just talking about fans, right? What if you bought two fans instead of one, and then you just swap your fan out, and you take the old fan back to the to the cleaning area, and then you're not cleaning it inside the tent.

True. Those clip on fans, particularly easy. Jason, back in the day, we'd take a box fan and, like, bungee it to wherever we could on the tent that might be a little harder to take down, versus those clip on fans, have two, is what you're saying. And just throw one in, clean the other one when you got a

minute. Yeah. I mean, or the other thing to do is, even if you don't like Ness, I mean, it's always good to have extra parts, right? So, like, if you bought two fans, and let's say, like, when you're making your choices for your products and your cultivation, you do want to think about, like, it's not just about, how will this help my plants grow? How is this thing gonna get cleaned. Think about all those people that bought a chiller, and they're just running RO water through a chiller and then directly into their grow without, like, I always suggest, like, run your chiller into an igloo cooler, and then run that water into, you know, run it through beer coils to chill it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I have a design that I used when I used to be a reservoir grower, you know, like when I was doing recirculating systems. And it's like, you run the water through the chiller, through beer coils. That's how you chill the water. You don't run it directly through your chiller, right? Because you're going to clean the inside of a chiller. I've

thought about that before too. Like, yeah, sides of circulating pumps, or, like, you know, watering pumps and things like that. Yeah, you know, a really bad one. I feel like you don't see these as much anymore. They've got other products now, like the arrow mixer that I really like and stuff. Air stones, dude. Air stones used to get so, oh yeah, because the forest you must have just loved looking into a reservoir of some grower and seeing that green air stone at the bottom of the

res, you know, I'll tell you this, by the time I got to where I am now, around microbe control, I hadn't seen an air stone in a couple years in anywhere growing. But I will say this, that I personally used air stones, and they were stone gnarly, not, not even just the stone itself, but like, you know, when it, when it would collect around, like, all the biofilms would collect around the base that was sitting on the floor of the reservoir, you know, yeah,

the big piece of metal, the metal ring that kind of sits in, gets all gross. And even the the tubing that's connected, it's always covered in algae. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

exactly, right. So it's good stuff. And you know, the irony being, is that, like, if you think about it, and you're running RO water, for example, that RO water is supposed to be free of microbes. So if you're like, reservoirs have algae in them that's not coming from the RO system. It's coming from the outside. You're bringing it in, yeah, whether it's in the air or on your person or on a cut or on a tool or on a consumable from the hydro store, like your problems are making their way in. So that's where I'm a big fan of risk reduction. But in the midst of the problem, you know, you kind of have to fire into the jungle. What are they? I always tell clients, I'm like, Yeah, I can give you the shot of penicillin and tell you to use procure or garden clean or whatever. But my job is really to convince you to stop banging hookers. You know, you got to make that larger life choice around

those are called Lifestyle changes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just, I think we just got a good list of of a bunch of lifestyle changes to make. Man, that was some, some great advice, understanding the vectors, understanding you are a vector. The recommendation for the sticky mats is a game changer. I hope to see some people, if you grab those sticky mats, please take a picture and send it and tag, grow, cast, increasing your HVAC. Filters, filtration, filters, yeah, the surface clean, plus the disinfect, and then the not missing parts of the tent that people often miss, like the outsizing fans. I'd

also like to add as many swappable parts as possible that you can, like, just remove from the room and clean elsewhere. And considering when you're buying equipment, like, how am I going to clean this? Yeah, true. I mean, those are, those are, those are key as well. And I know I want to answer your question specifically, because we talked about it before the show. The reason you don't use hot water with bleach is because it denatures the bleach faster it debris. Okay, let's talk about

the penicillin. Let's get into it. I want to, I want to start with bleach. Okay, so the first tip that riser rich brought this up on the show. I had no idea this was the case. I thought the hot water was good for cleaning. Riser Rich says Never mix hot water and bleach. So you're saying it denatures it. It makes it ineffective, essentially,

yeah? Because here's the thing, if you left bleach out, like, for like, let's say a year. I think the shelf life on bleach is about a year it degrades into salt water. Is that, right? And Whoa, yeah, it degrades into salt and water. I didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, that's straight from the Clorox web. Site, you know? Okay, yeah, exactly. So. So you have to remember that bleach is in a constant state of degradation, so to use hot water with it accelerates it. So if you think about it, let's say you're using if you bought the bottle and did it that day with hot water, you probably would still have some efficacy that that part I wouldn't be as concerned about. But if you were using a six month old bottle of bleach without water, you're probably just cleaning with ocean water at that point. You know what I mean, crazy.

Now, what about when I go I'm smart. They say to put it one parts to five parts water, but I need this really clean. I'll just dump the bottle on it. Can you talk about isn't that interesting?

Yeah, it's got to work, right, right? You would think that intuitively speaking, whole bleach, you would think would do the job. It actually doesn't require water in order for it to be efficacious. And that's every bottle of bleach will tell you that I actually just recently posted an article from a guy at the Scripps University who kind of gave the low down on all things bleach, and that's what he had said as well. He's like some big wig around like infection control or one of their food safety certifiers or something like that. But in any case, better diluted. Diluted. Yeah, it does better diluted. I'll give you another great example. You know, 90% 99% ISO is fantastic for cleaning your Bong, but you need the water in ISO in order for it to take longer to evaporate, so it has more time to denature. So for disinfection, 70% is actually better than 90% or 99% that's

gonna hang around longer. That was one you said on TV once. I think that one blew my mind too, I will use hydrogen peroxide. Is that, like, not strong enough, or no? Hydrogen

peroxide is fine. It just depends on the percentage and the concentration. So the hydrogen peroxide that you buy at the store for cuts and stuff like that is typically, like, 3% or something like that, maybe 6% and you know, again, you're targeting your cleanser for the thing you're trying to clean, you know what I mean, and not only that, but for safety as well. So you're not going to go buy the H 202, you get in the five gallon bucket at the hydro store, because if any show of hands, show of white, powdery white hands, and burn them. Type,

I've burned myself more times than I ever cared to count. So it really comes down to like reading the labels on your cleansers and understanding what they do and what they don't do. And if you ever have a question, I always recommend call the manufacturer, because, number one, they want to talk to you because they want to sell you more product. Number two, they want to talk to you because they want to make sure you're using it correctly. Because, you know, like, if you're claiming that, like, you used Lysol to, like, take care of your grandmother's hospice room in her house, and she ended up dying of an infection, and you're trying to sue them over it or something. You know what I mean? Like, the first thing they're going to ask is, did you use it as it was directed? And if you didn't know what you're doing, what help? Did you get

true? True? And so we got to follow these directions. Read the asterisks the fine print is, me absolutely in those bottles. Yeah, no, absolutely. Man. That was great. Great breakdown of cleaning products at the end here. Listen, I know we're up against it time wise. Is there anything else you want to throw in here? Anything about cleaning, resets, plugs

and yeah, okay, I'll throw in a couple of things. I would say I have available as a gift to your to your listeners, if they want to reach out to me on Instagram at dyslexic stoner 402 and send me an email address. I actually have the ASTM standards for room resets, which is basically, I mean, it's a commercial level reset. Sop, but it's pretty comprehensive. And you take it, you dumb it down to what you need for your house. You know,

love that. Get out everybody. He just invited you. Slide in those DMS as they say, hey, oh yeah, SOP, that's the type of thing that my listeners love to hear. Jason,

no, thank you absolutely. And because here's the thing. I mean, I know education is is huge, and the lack of education leaves you to start going in down the road of bro science. And I'm just like, dude, just up your level of bro. That's all you know. Like, you know, but I get it. Like, you know, a lot of growers, they swirl around and, like, I don't even know where to start asking questions. Or, you know, they see something on TV and they think, Oh, well, that must work. Or they saw something in an office building or a hospital or something like that. And it's not always a one to one application for cannabis, you know what I mean? So I am more than happy to answer questions. I mean, I'm not like a, you know, what do you think of Doctor Doom, you know, bug spray guy? That's kind of not where I'm at. But what I can tell you is, like, how you need to do something, you know, what kind of like things you need to consider when you're doing your cleaning, so that you're not just creating this false sense of. Security, because that's a lot of times what happens. And I have growers all the time that are like, Oh man, we're constantly cleaning. I applaud your effort. I really do. But is the cleaning that you're doing actually cleaning

the false sense of security that is true. Truer words have never been spoken. There you go. And then anything related to filters, right? You're working with filter? Yeah, I work with versions,

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cool for all your filtration needs. Filter science.com. Jason, this was awesome. Man, really, really,

thank you, man, it's always great to be back. And you know, I love interacting with your audience. So you know, guys, after the show here, don't be shy about reaching out. Yeah, hit

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