When I was asked to join Google, I was skeptical, because a whole bunch of people sat me down and talk to me about harassment that they experienced and how it was handled. I definitely knew it was not going to be a good place for Black people. I had some experiences during my negotiation process. And I was like, "I don't know if I want to." But then Meg Mitchell asked me if I could co-lead her team and I'm like, "I have one person that I can work with." When I went to Google, I went with eyes wide open. I was super exhausted. I was trying to make things better. I was trying to make the environment better. I was building our team, just raising issues, whatever I saw. The realisation that I had after Google is that even the kinds of proposals that we would come up with, that seem very straightforward and that we really didn't have any opposition to - so for example, we came up with frameworks. One of them is called "model cards" or "data sheets". And this is saying, before you put stuff out there have lots of testing and documentation. The idea didn't get a lot of opposition at all because it's like a basic engineering thing. But in retrospect, they kind of don't want to do the implementation because translation is: per thing that you want to put out, put that thing out way later, not tomorrow, but like a year or two years from now, because you got to do all these tests, and then also hire a lot more people per thing. So I'm translating it to, "Yeah, make a lot less money than you are right now." And nothing else is telling you to do that. There's no regulation. So the realization that came after this: nobody's going to do any of this stuff, even the most banal stuff that you're talking about, without being forced to do it. Now you see this race, that this company comes out with this thing, this other company has come out with it faster. Car companies don't get to do that - I bet they would want to - because they're going to be held liable. I was just like, "There's just no way." Nothing's going to happen without some sort of regulation that makes all of them have to behave the same way.