🌱Unique Cultivars, Clone Taking Tips, and HLVD, with Pharmerjohn and Terp Burper

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Greetings cultivators worldwide. Jordan River here, back at you with more grow cast coming to you from the new menu. Today we have Farmer John and TERT Berber on these are the guys behind farmers phenos. They have available to you some of the most amazing cuts and phenotypes that you can get your hands on when it comes to genetics in 24 we love these guys. They've worked with us, with grow, cast, seed, co amazing cultivators, amazing selectors, and they're here to talk about their new menu and taking cuts and tips on having a thriving garden. It's a very good episode. I know you're gonna love it before we jump into that. Though. Shout out to AC infinity. That's right. AC infinity.com, code grow, cast, one five to get your savings on the best grow gear that you can get your hands on. My favorite grow tents. They've got lights, fans, pots, scissors, everything you need. It's at AC infinity.com, they've got grow kits. If you need to get started growing it's the best way to get started, in my opinion, go grab a three by three grow kit, or a four by four grow kit. Use code grow cast one five and get that whole setup delivered to your door. Everything you need to get started, it's all there at AC infinity.com, plus, they've got lots of new and great items, like their new spray technology that they've released. They've got a new cloud forge humidifier now. They have green lights that you can put in your tent, that you can use as work lights during your dark period. AC Infinity has it all. Code grow, cast one, five at AC infinity.com. That's what you need to do. That's how you get the savings and grab the best tents in the game, the best fans in the game, and so much more. Thank you to our partners, AC infinity. Alright, let's get into it with farmers. Phenos, thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello. Podcast listeners. You are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show, turn a grower onto grow cast, tell them about the show, or turn someone onto growing it's the best thing you can do to help us out. Make sure you're following us. Subscribed wherever you listen to us, YouTube, Spotify, all the apps, we're there. And I appreciate you guys so much. Growcast podcast.com, of course, for all of the stuff, the seats, the membership, the classes, it's all there. Huge special. Thank you to the members. Today we have two brand new guests for this show. Anyways, if you're a member of the growcast community. You've seen both these individuals around the community helping people out growing amazing, amazing quality flour, collecting a truly incredible stable of genetics that they are now famous for, as well as helping people out veggie growing and so much more. I'm excited to have both these guests on today, from farmers finos. We have none other than my friend Farmer John, as well as my buddy Terp burper, who are the farmers finos team? What's up, guys? How are you both doing?

Good Jordan, thanks for having me. Thanks so much for having us on. Hey. Welcome

to the show. Now you guys have been on, let's see. Farmer John, you've been on growcast TV before, right? Yes, sir. And then turbop, this is your very first appearance, correct? This is my first appearance. Well, welcome to the show, man. I've been waiting to talk to you guys. Now, if you've been listening to this show for a long time, you know that a lot of the work that rich does for grow, CA seed CO, our breeder over at gro Cai zo Rich has brought up farmer John's name, yeah. Well, listen, man, let's be honest, you've been very, very, uh, generous with rich, and I know that that goes both ways. But, um, a lot of the stuff that a lot of the stuff that we end up working with and that the community ends up adoring, comes from your stable. A lot of the cuts that Rich has worked with in the past have have come from you guys. So your reputation definitely precedes you, and we're very excited to talk to you about the farmers Pheno stable. Your lineup has just changed. You got a bunch of new offerings. We're going to talk about all the amazing strains you have, taking cuttings, a bunch of stuff today. Let's start at the beginning, though. Talk to me, John, about how farmers finos started, and then Terp Berber, once you came on board to the team, officially tell me that story. So

I started just collecting an obscene amount of genetics back in 2018 and I just kind of got really into it. And cultivated choice moved to town

three years ago or so, nice. Shout out, cultivated choice, you turned me on to him. Yeah,

shout out, cultivated, love him. And he was, you know, sampling all the wares. And he was like, you know, you should really be selling these amazing variety. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I never thought of that, you know. And then he kind of just got to be along to, like, kind of gave me the push to get started. And I had a few partner, few different partners, early on, and then organically over time, me and Terp, we've been just Grammies forever. Now I can't even remember since when. And yeah, he was, he was helping. He's a really amazing artist, and so he was helping me with some logo stuff. And then it's. Kind of timed out really nicely, like the logo happened, and it's just really fun working with him, and just a great guy and an old friend. So yeah, he and he likes all the flavors too. He's, we're just passionate about variety. And so, yeah, I was already sending him stuff anyway, and so we kind of got this going now, and he's been just doing an incredible job, um, fantastic job with the cuts. So, so let's

see it just started with, like, a genetic collecting addiction, is what you're telling me. Like, just like the rest of straight Yeah, straight up. And then did people just, did the demand kind of just manifest out of air where there are people around you saying, Hey, let me get this, let me get that to where you're like, Okay, I should, I should make this a business.

Yeah, yeah. I was kind of because I kind of keep to myself a lot. So at first, it was just like, a little weird for me to, like, put myself out there a little bit and and then we, early on, I had a website gone for a little while, Rocky Mountain female hunters. And that's that kind of hit pretty big, and things kind of blew up from there, because I was just posting a lot of juicy pictures, you know, for many years, and then I guess when stuff became available was kind of exciting for some people, which I would, you know, on the same way. So

that's, you know, it's funny seeing you grow over the years, man, I've known you for a little while now, and I've seen this progress, and I'm glad that you were able to put the right team around you. I can tell that Terp burper is a good fit on the team, and also a talented gardener in your own right. Terp burper, I have to say your your garden is very, very impressive, and what brought you on to the team, and why were you excited to join farmers? Phenos, well, yeah,

John and I been friends for a while, for a long time, and I was sort of, you know, helping him with the logo, kind of following what he's doing, the ups and downs, you know, that come with, sort of being, being in business. And saw the opportunity, and actually, my roommate had moved out, so I had an extra room, and needed someone something to help pay the rent. Worked out perfectly.

That's not so you just had been talking about this for a while, and then jumped in business, and here we go. You guys are doing really well. Farmers, phenos, of course, that's pH for both of them, that's p H, A R M, E, R S. Phenos with a pH, so double pH. That's great, man. That's great to hear. I just had the pleasure of having some of your white truffle. And I gotta say, that is one of my favorite smokes of 2023 I was very, very impressed by it. The way that it came out of your garden was fantastic. And it was the farmer's phenos Cut of white truffle. Yeah,

I appreciate that. Yeah, it's a it's interesting one. That strain is super loud, super frothy, super pretty. So it's just a fun one to grow. Yeah, man, that

was, that was a fantastic job. Okay, so let's get into it. You guys tell me about this new menu before we get into all things cuts. Just tell me really quickly about how many new strains you're adding and which ones you're most excited about. John.

You got that menu in front of you, right? I could try to recite them. He's flowered them all, whereas these are all pretty new to me. I'm flowering some right now, but I'll let John tackle that one, because he's growing them all. Yep. Sure thing, yeah. And that's kind of my role in this. Is I have a natural ambition to collect and then along with that, is the responsibility of growing them all out, vetting them, making sure they're clean, doing hlbd testing. So that's why the new menu TURP is just now kind of getting to sample some and so we have 11 new strains, and we're probably taking one off, actually. So about 10 new strains, and let's list them off real quick. Lemon cherry gelato, peanut butter breath cap junkie straw mints, Dolce de UVA, black maple space, guavas, claiming Hot Cheetos, blueberry sugar and super snow brunch. Jeez,

oh, man. And then just at the top of the episode here really quickly, which one of those new ones are you most excited about getting into people's

hands? Uh, honestly, I there's one on there that I'm just now flowering out, but it came directly from the breeder who did blackberries, otherwise known as Super booth, and it's called Blueberry sugar, and it's a grape cream cake, 2.1 times a special fino of blueberry frosting. And it's, apparently it's just like super crazy loud candy blueberry Terps, and it just looks gorgeous. So currently, that's my thing. I'm most excited about because I've been looking for a blueberry flavor to kind of fill out my flavor rainbow. And I've been looking for a long time and and Like honestly, all of these are just phenomenal. I wouldn't even have 130 strains in my catalog. They would not be on this fire if they were not the best of the best. I

know that about you. We're going to get into that. And selections and all of that. I will just say at the top of the episode, though, there is a BOGO for you, grow cast audience members. Buy one, get one off the old menu, free. So mention grow cast BOGO when you contact farmers finos on Instagram. Okay, let's, let's get into the specifics. Man, I want to talk to you guys about how this all works, about the cut industry, about everything that's that's happening around the country and beyond. What do you see as some of the major problems when it comes to cuts today? You know, you mentioned hlvd, I'm sure that's something you want to touch on, or or, you know, the pricing, renaming, you name it. What are the biggest problems in your eyes? We'll start with John in the cutting industry right now?

Yeah, I mean, it's a bit of a circus out there, and there's a lot of moving parts, and a lot of people doing a lot of things. So first off, it's, it's murky, and, you know, and I hear from a lot of people, they get, you know, there's a lot of scams we're really putting a lot of trust in, kind of faceless organizations or groups to, you know, and hoping that what you get is the real deal, even well respected people are serving up, straight up cut fish for breakfast. And so that's kind of the biggest is like, that's why I take all the time to vet these, these cuts. I take a lot of pride, and it kind of irks me when I see people, when I go on, I'm shopping for cost, because, above all, I'm a I'm a customer. And so when I'm shopping, I just gets under my skin when people have no idea about the plant that they're selling me for this high price.

Yeah, that's true, right? And then there's a bunch of fake scammers for every account out there, too. So even if you're talking to the to the real guy, sometimes you're getting something that you're not paying for, or, like you said, ridden with hop late and right? You you pay for the testing for all of yours. Is that something you see a lot? Or do you not see a test positive very often?

I have never had a positive test in three years so far. Would you pop from seed, though, right? Well, I popped from seed, but I've taken tons of hype breeder cuts, but I don't. I tend not to get them from sources that are less than ideal. I guess you could say that's

still interesting though, that you're taking in breeder cuts and that you haven't, you haven't popped for hlvd yet. I

know, and I've been holding my breath for a long time about it, because a lot of my friends have gotten taken down, and it says everywhere, I've also been really careful, like, if a cut doesn't look good or act right, it goes straight in the trash, I don't give it a chance to redeem itself. No, there's no redemption. Like, you get slam dunk Michael Jordan style, like, straight up if it doesn't. And I've always been that way. I've always been that way. So even before I knew what hlbd was, I was using bleach, you know. So I was just happy that all my protocols were, like, beneficial over the years, because it may have possibly stuck its way up, but I've always been terribly vigilant about it. So

that's awesome. And you were using bleach before it was cool to use bleach, so that might have been fending off the viroid. Yeah,

I'm a professional horticulturalist too, so it's just like, kind of the prop should use in general. You know, that's why I was doing it. I love it, man, that's what we love about you. Thanks, yeah, and so it just takes a while to do all that. The testing is really tedious and it's expensive, and, yeah, all that stuff. So, yeah, everything that you serve up has been tested one or two times before it even goes out. You know, almost all of your sample a little bit of petiole and leaf, I try to, like, stress the plants out before I take the samples, to try and increase finding something positive. You know what I mean? Right?

Interesting, because the viroid will spread as the plant gets less healthy, and then you'll test tissue that, hopefully, if it does have the viroid, it's expressing so you can detect it.

Yeah, it's hard to detect in really healthy plants. So, you know, I have so many plants, it's kind of easy to mistreat them a little bit, and that's why Terp job is so vital for our system. Is like, you know, when he's propagating, it's for the people. So, yeah, it's like, the utmost care is taken to make sure that they're, like, in premium health,

yeah, you can't drop the ball, yeah. And if you've

ever gotten anything from him, you would know, you know, it's incredible. Like, I don't think I could do it as good as him. So

that's great, dude. And I do want to get into that. And funny, you

say that Terp might have some other things to get into on that too. Yeah. Back to

this idea of issues in the in the community. What do you think Terp burper, what are some of the biggest problems with cuts?

Yeah, I think John, John touched on probably some of the bigger ones. I think a lot of times, a lot of clones that I've gotten, and I know that friends have gotten and paid for you get them, and they're just like, are they going to live? Are they gonna die? They're just they, you know, and then you spend a couple weeks at least, you know, sometimes getting them back to a point where you can put them into your into your tent or your bed or whatever. And a lot of people, you know, you just don't have that kind of time, and maybe you got to throw it in, and it's just not going to perform. But. Form well so, and I think it's partly just like knowing how to ship them, and even some of these bigger companies, like, they're making mistakes, and, you know, the customer pays for it, and you know, maybe they're good, and they're gonna, like, send you a new one. I imagine that happens a lot, yeah, yeah, no, I can imagine that happens a lot, especially with the way the mail system works, too, right? Like, yeah, for sure, that's gotta be tough. Oh, that's a whole other variable too. And it's so frustrating because you're tracking it, you know, and you're watching it, something that's supposed to be going to New York, and it's like, in Florida or vice versa, and it's like, I, you know, but we I've been surprised at how healthy some of these have been, even after like, a week of being stuck in the mail. It's, uh, surprising, yeah,

that's what you need, man. Because sometimes it'll get, like you said, I order stuff and it'll go to Pennsylvania and back across the country before it finds its way to Chicago. So I know how that goes, yeah? Well, you know, you go to farmers finos again, the Instagram page, you'll see all these beautiful pictures, really, really nice shots that you guys have of these, of these amazing buds that you know, John, I know, you hunt through, you take on different breeder cuts you, uh, popped certain packs, the banana Oreo blizzard that you just popped from rise Oh, Rich. That was an amazing one that you just hunted. Talk to us about. Oh yes, that's one of my Oh, man, it looks beautiful. And that came from one seed, right? I want you to talk about punching through seeds. John's

got a sixth with he can

intuit, yeah. Which ones are gonna be fine? Yeah.

Have a unique process, so to speak. Is it, is it witchcraft? Am I gonna go? Am I gonna go into my witchcraft procedure?

I would love to hear, man, yeah. I want to hear what your markers are for quality. Yeah. I want to hear it all, dude, how do you pick out that one seed that's gonna be the winner, after all? Okay, so

I have a habit of swimming upstream. I guess you could say, like, when everyone's doing one thing, you know, an Ostra like, was, what was happening was all my, like, heady friends were like, gotta hunt the whole pack to find the winner. And, you know, just getting on me about stuff, or, like, just harassing people online. You see it all the time, yeah. And then I have, like, other homies that are that are certain they're hunting whole packs, and their whole 50% of their rooms dedicated to this hunt, so to speak. And I feel like when you're running indoors, it's just not efficient to do it that way. For me personally, like if I had a greenhouse with sun grin, I could totally do huge hunts outside, where it's cheap, you know, or almost free. But when I'm inside, you want to make the most of your resources. So for me, what I do is I say, Hey, I'm going to take six to 10 strains that I really, really want to know what's up with, and then just like, open each pack, calmly, sit with it, admire the seeds. Riser makes some of the best seeds around. So they're very fun to admire some of his CTS seeds were the biggest I've ever seen in my life. Nice. And you just pick, I just pick the one that calls to me, or two or three. And I keep the hunts pretty small. If they're fems, I'll just do like, two or three, Max regs, four to five. But I keep it low numbers. And for my banana Oreos Blizzard, I was just like, this is the one. So I just picked my favorite one in the pack, and I got this incredible jaw dropping. Pheno that's going to be available soon. Hopefully I'll be getting those over to Terp soon. I really, really want to share this with everyone. Oh, man, yeah, I probably have a special deal for a girl cast member, since it's birth from girl cast love or something like that. But it's just such a cool it took my banana punch cut and just, like, enhanced it in every way, shape and form. Oh,

I love that. Because that banana punch was, was really good. Yeah, it

was good. It's stunning. I just found it a little bit annoying growing sometimes where it was, like, didn't like, it didn't take as much water as other plants, and it was a little more sensitive at times, a little bit more floppy. This one has, like, just gorgeous sativa, like leaves that throws huge nugs and just like the frosty plant in the room against all these, like, high breeder cuts, Wow, dude, that's nuts. And it's just, like, bright green, white, I don't know it's just, and the effects are much better than the banana punch I find too, that

could be lent from the Oreos, right? The Oreos that you gave us that rich did so much work with Yeah,

both the streets are cuts for me, actually, there you go, right back at you. You know, my crazy love affair with Oreos. So, yeah, it has much more Oreos, like, really nice effect that I enjoy quite a bit. And, yeah,

let me, let me ask you on that then, like, how do you differentiate between, like you said, you have 150 strains. I'm sure there's so many good ones in there, right? Like, how do you differentiate between the COVID? Great. How do you get it down to 10 new ones on the menu? What are the markers that we're not being critical of enough that you are. You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah. Yeah. Totally Yeah. I kind of skipped over that whole selection part. But yeah, so. For me, it's just so many things, but, yeah, it's just what I think is the winner. Doesn't mean everyone's going to think it's the winner. What someone else thinks is winner is not for me, most of the time I find so for me, I just try to just feel the plan, if it if it's easy to grow, because basically our target audience and people I want to connect with are people like me, people like her, like all of us, we're just overgrow the nation, you know. And I want everyone to have the diggity, dang so. And I wanted to be grown in multiple environments by multiple skill levels. So, like, ease of growth is huge, bigger, you know. Like, kind of Max, like Mac one vigor is a little too slow for me. It gets kind of annoying. So a lot of our strains are extremely vigorous. You'll find they're not probably super heady. So

I think that that's one that people can overlook. Like, do you find yourself kicking plants out over things like vigor and feeding patterns and things that aren't so related to quality? Okay? That makes sense to me. Like they're probably all super well, let's say, like most of them are super quality, and then you probably weed out based on other stuff. Like you saying, Yeah,

you keep up with the gang. They're gone, you know, they call it, yeah, it's a little bit, little bit of hype plays into it too, you know. Like we, we are trying to get rid of them, you know. So, yeah, we want people to want it though. You know, what's washing? You know, to an extent, a lot, you know, a lot of people buying cuts are washing, you know, because they're gonna, they want that whole room, or that whole table, or that whole bed or whatever, the same thing. And they're gonna, they want that guaranteed outcome, true. They want a good return for sure. Yeah, because, I mean, it's a lot of money you invest into every every grow. And if you're doing it for income and not just for the head, you know you need to make sure that it's going to turn out like you expect.

That's a good point. And you can go through a whole run and a hunt just to wash something and then find out that it returns low numbers, and it's like such a disappointment, for sure. On that note, what are your best washers that you have on your menu right now, new or old? Let

me pull it up. So don't you to UVO, straight up, yeah, with a monster washer. All right.

Tell me about that one. John, what's that one? Smell and taste like?

That one's kind of got, like a can, like a sweet, tart candy gas thing going on. It gets very, extremely vigorous and grows very tall and stretches. I'm wrong, but it's a, it's grape cream cake, right? And it's just, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a special selected Pheno by bloom of grape cream cake, but for washing and it makes extremely good hash like, it's white, no matter how long you take it, wow. And it's heavy. It's heavy too. It's not just some like, vape candy. It fucks

Wow, that sounds great. I love those candy serves. You guys had a straw candy that I really enjoyed. That's

a legend. Yeah, that's my chill. Yeah, it hit hard too.

I was gonna say it hits harder than a lot of the sweet the sweet strains. A lot of times with something as sweet, it's almost an instant indicator to me that it's not going to be as potent and, like, break through my tolerance as much as something that's like, funkier, gassier or kemire on average. That's exactly what I was alluding to. Yeah. But there are exceptions, and that straw candy is one of them, where it's sweet and then you, you just get roasted off of it. So,

yeah, it's surprising every time, for some reason. And it's a fast finisher too. I would say another thing I particularly look for, because I kind of stopped just shopping for me. I want something for everyone. So I have, like, plants that are really good for tents growing. I have plants that are really good for, like, outdoor growing. I have plants that are really good for, you know, tall ceilings like mine, you know, is what I specialize in specifically and really enjoy personally. So

it's more about completing that dynamic range, and, like you said, completing your your flavor wheel, and having more offerings for the people than it is like, Oh, these are all the best, but they all smell the same, right? Or they all grow the same? Yeah, I want

them all to be different. So like, would you know I want each one? Because people are always asking, what's your favorite? And, like, honestly, they would not be here if they weren't my favorite, straight up.

That's a really good point. I like that, man. Like you said you're trying to serve, serve the grower and give them what they want. I think that's the the right move. Yeah, that's

the whole that's kind of what drives us, I would say, and peanut butter breasts are kind of a surprise. Good washer. It's a rare peanut butter brush that washes really well. It washes like 4% well. That is very interesting. I'm

going to put this question right here. Talk to me about I know you literally just said you don't have a favorite, but I'm going to make you each pick one, just whichever one you want to highlight on this show. I'd love to hear about how it grows, what it smells like, why people should buy this cut if they're thinking about picking up a

cut. Number one is garlic breath, and this was one that John selected. Garlic breath was thug, punk genetics, and it's this dark green, that kind of fat. Fat into COVID, but it's super frosty, and it gets these, like bright orange hairs. So it's very pretty. It'll get some purple when it gets cold, but I wouldn't call it like perps or anything, but it definitely gets some color, and it just tastes like roasted garlic, maybe a little burnt, and that's not even like, the best part, really, is the effects. It's got a really, really nice high. And I just fucking love it. It's definitely like, head stash. It's not going to yield a ton, but when it does yield you like, you don't want to give it out. I've

had those garlic Terps before, more raw garlic in the case of trying to remember the strain, but people on the show will remember, I said the same thing, man. Something about those garlic profiles, they just get you stoned to the bone every time. Yeah. And also, very medicinal. I've found those, those terpenes, we

agree, I believe it, yeah. It's, yeah, it's one of my favorite eyes. It's definitely, I'd say, my favorite strain. And then my second is the peach maraschino. I won't even say that I selected it because John did his magic and picked a seed and sent it to me, and I grew it. Oh, yeah, it was, I think I probably planted it upside down or something, because it was one of those wild, like corkscrew fucking, you know, I don't know if this one's gonna make it feedling. And then it just, it was the most vigorous plant in the tent, like, yielded, like, twice as much as every other plant in there. And it was this. It wasn't super peachy. It has some peach notes, but it's like this gassy, kind of old school taste with a little bit of sweetness, kind of on the back end. And the high is just great. It's like, super uplifting. It gets you stoned, you know, but you could still do stuff or not that

peach maraschino, I love, man, really, really impressive. And you're right, not super forward on the peach, but gassy tart cherry, like, a little bit sour, yeah, from the cherry,

yeah. And that might be, like, the kind of old school taste that I'm kind of touching on there, but it's, yeah, it's, and it's like, oh, it's green bud, you know, it's nothing kids with maybe a tiny bit purple. But it's like this bright green, frosty buds. It's, I like it

great answers. That peach marcino is one of my favorites as well. John, favorite out of the lineup that you'd like to highlight on the show. I'm

gonna have to go three. I'm serious. All right, we'll go. It's just how it is. Okay. So I've usually subsequent one that I don't think gets enough play at all. It's one of miles from beach. It tastes good. Favorite strains, and he's not a citrus guy, mind you, but super snow brunch is a really special plant. It's a it's a little bit more finicky, so I like hesitated to release it, but I just really want everyone to have it, because it's kind of like a chop cookie. That's not the artificial orange, but more of a zesty, fresh sliced orange or citrus. It's not even necessarily orange. It's almost grape, fruity. Yeah. It's really potent, too. For being a citrus, it's got, you know, how, like, chopped cookies you smoke it, and you're like, did I get high? You know, or purple punch list, lot of citrus is like that for me. Man, yeah. So this one, like, really kicks you in your ass, but it's still, like, you're still like, okay, you know, you can still swim in the morning and be good, but you're high as hell, you know. And it's got more of a ripe, fermented kind of citrus than the artificial orange that one was great. It's really unique in that way. And, well, I'm the member, actually, many years ago, dubby, I he had mailed me some seeds because I was desperate for a super snow dog cross, and I told him about this breeder, and then so he sent me the seeds and founder him. I, like, popped him right away and selected the this one out of four, and got two males, two females, and the two females are totally different, almost like an orange muffin. And this one's that, that ripe citrus, so that, and I really have a thing for that, Flaming Hot Cheetos, kind of got a sour, kept this.

Okay, tell me about this. Yeah, we've talked about it a little bit off air, flamin Hot Cheetos. What is the lineage? What does it smell like? I

believe that is cheetah piss times. Yes, I think runs times cheetah piss or something like that. I don't think a

lot of people are working cheetah piss right now. So that's cool to see that back in a modern

cross, it's just got, like, a little bit of that really tasty sour in it, and it's just really, really delicious, like you kind of pucker your mouth and you smoke it. I just really found myself going back to that one sour

is underrated for sure. What's that one look like? The flamin Hot Cheetos?

Good. It's a little bit like stouter of a plant. I didn't like crush it on my first run with it. But I'm really crushing on my second one with it, because it was just like a little behind, like turf is talking about how stuff doesn't line up sometimes. So yeah, and then I think cap junkie is underrated and not talked about enough that

cap junkie tasted Gray. I remember the flavor coming through on that one, one of my favorites in the flavor category.

Yeah, it's medicinal. It's. Easy as hell to grow. It's faster growing than Mac. Really gorgeous. I think the chirps are better than Mac one, and it's just just easy, easy, stable grade 10 plan. Everyone seems to really enjoy it. So all

right, well, I got you to narrow it down to three. That's not bad,

yeah. Sorry, sorry to disappoint.

That's good. That cap junkie was was very memorable. I was lucky enough to taste a bunch of these in a bit of a smorgasbord out in Colorado in 22 I believe. And man, there's a lot that I remember. I remember the super snow brunch. I remember the cap junkie quite well. Actually, I spent a lot of time with that cap junkie. Amazing on the flavor, by the way, but there was one. I don't know if this one's available, so I'm gonna hype one that might be off menu. I hope to God that you still have it. But you know what I'm gonna say, Man, the one that checked all the boxes for me and was in a class by itself as far as effect,

was the LA Kush. Yeah. La Kush, yep, I still have it? You got it so sour, so strong. It tasted

like old school weed to me, and it even looked a little more old school like, don't get me wrong, I still covered in frost, but just just like big, fat, chunky green bud from, like, old school Humboldt County. And, man, it's they're heavy too. So heavy nugs. Good. Just got me so baked, so I'll never forget that. That la Kush, that's some of my favorite weed I've ever consumed in my entire life. Is that LA Kush? Yeah,

I love that. You remember that one that's forever on my list of Legends. I'll never get rid of it. That's good stuff, man. That was one of my first cuts. Are you

going to have it back on the menu ever? Are you just going to it and work it, or give

it out, or whatever. I think I might it's just so hard to pick, you know, um, because when they get, when they're chosen one, you know, if they don't work out, then you put all that energy into a chosen one that people are, you know, we're just cloning for no reason sometimes. So gotta get the word I guess I gotta do better about getting the word out and educating a little No,

I gotta come on the show. Talk about LA cush man, we'll do some pictures on grow cast TV to do a little video thing.

I know I keep, I keep having so many new ones, like, it's just I haven't gotten back to that one, because that goes in those Hall of Fame. That one's in the Hall of Fame, so,

retired the number, retired the jersey.

Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, man, I've been impressed across the board, to be honest, and I appreciate how much that you and rich have gone back and forth. And it's just amazing to see all these different selections, and you guys lineup is absolutely critical, clutch. As the kids say, let's give a quick shout out to the bubble hive up in loves Park, Illinois. We are so grateful to have the bubble hive hosting us for our cultivators cup 2024 and they need to be your go to stop for CBD, for amazing glass and so much more. It's up to 7100 North Alpine Road in loves Park, Illinois, that's up there by Rockford, and you can go check it out, tell them that we sent you here from growcast. We appreciate the bubble hive. So much for supporting community and for hosting our various events. And we cannot thank them enough. They've got an incredible selection of glass up there. You could look around there for hours just checking out all the stuff they have there, and then, like I said, stay tuned. We got the cultivators cup. It's already sold out, everybody. Thank you so much for your support. Shout out to the bubble hive. Support small businesses. They're up there in loves Park, Illinois, got an amazing selection of glass all your CBD needs. If you need it, they've got it up at the bubble hive. And one more time, big. Thank you to the whole team over there for hosting us. 7100 North Alpine road loves Park, the bubble hive. I'll see you there. Everybody. Stay tuned for some more events. And in collaboration with the bubble hive. Talk to me about gardening, you guys, because I imagine it's about, okay, you're still you're selecting through these strains. You're trying to see what their their best expression is. Really. You're trying to grow them to their maximum potential. You're also trying to take cuttings from them, probably a lot of cuttings, ideally, a lot of cuttings. And we all know that that doing cuttings the most important thing is having healthy plants to take cuttings from. So I'd like to ask you guys again, this idea of going from good to great, right? We've got a lot of gardeners listening who are very good gardeners, but they look at the pictures on farmers finos, and they're like, Man, I want my weed to look like that. Though. What would you say is, like your number one or top few pieces of advice to go from a very good grower to an exceptional, world class grower? I'll throw it to TURP burper first. What would

that advice be? I think you know, there's, there's so many, but think watering might be like, the thing that, if you can nail that, your plants are just going to perform a million times better. Like, there's a lot of, I mean, a lot of cannabis brands are going to like do pretty well no matter what, even if you, even if you completely mess up or like, you don't give them exactly what they need, you're going to end up with some pretty good you. A pretty good weed. But if you really nail the watering, feel like the plants are just so much happier and growing in like the living soil, or the, you know, no till or water only kind of set up. I think that's super important, you know, that's that's pretty much controlling how your plant eats. So if you can really nail that, if you like, you get much, much happier, and, you know, better, better results. In the end, I think

it's like the starting point. It's like the simplest thing, but it might be the most critical man. And I can't tell you how many guests I've had on who are, who say, you know, hey, I'm a 10 year or second generation or 50 year horticulturist or whatever, and I'm still like, dialing in my my watering techniques for all my plants and and trying to teach the the five year tenure gardeners how to water correctly. Oh, yeah, it is a simple but infinitely complex art form. And you're right. Getting into a bigger container is often just way easier. Let's be honest, right? You get into a living soil bed, it's harder to over saturate it like a three gallon pot, right? Yeah,

totally. And you can get by without watering that much too. And you wouldn't know it, because the plants still look super happy because there is so much moisture that their roots can kind of seek out in there. Yeah.

Do you fuck with automated watering systems, blue mats, moisture meters, or do you just go by hand, a little bit

of both. So I have a blue mat system, like, I have the tape set up, and I did have the actual blue mat sensor, but I don't know my soils had a bunch of, like, pumice and a bunch of, like, these, these things in it. So I kept having, like, weird things happen with the blue matte sensor, like it was getting triggered by the obviously, yeah,

sometimes it'll hit a pocket of aeration, because those things detect pressure. So if, like, a piece of the carrot is up against like, a big pocket of aeration, it's like, whoa. It's super, super dry here, when in reality, it's just a little pocket of air. So that does happen. Sometimes you do keep your soil highly aerated. Is that? Is that a little twist on your it's been, yeah,

yeah, no, it's pretty aerated. And I've just been, you know, top dressing, and kind of following the farmer, John big roots, yeah, advice, and sort of building the soil that way. And it's been, like, three or four years growing in that same soil. But with the blue mat, I just took out the sensor, and I still water like, I'll give it, like the five gallons of water, I'm just straight through the thing, and just let it go. And it takes, like, a day, or a little less than a day, for it all to drain in there. And I'll give it just regular, pure water with a little SLF in there. And then I'll give also hand water in like, all the microbes and the teas and all that good stuff right at the plant root zone, sorry, right around the plant. And that's sort of my

that's where it's critical, you know, you got to keep that air to water ratio balanced. Make sure those microbes are humming so that the plants can get as big and sticky and fat as they do in your garden, man. So I think watering is a great answer. What do you think Farmer John tips on going from good to great as a cultivator? Yeah,

watering is a really great answer. Terp, thank you for bringing that up, because that's something I'm always preaching on and something I'm still learning every day. Yeah. I've been racking my brain, and I just coming down to kind of the more overarching philosophy, is just having a can do attitude about, like, your goals and how you're going to achieve them, and don't give up. It's like, I think the best way to level up, because a lot of times I see people kind of run into barriers and wheels kind of fall off and and it's just like a snake eating its own head after a while, and you can never seem to catch up. So I think sometimes you just gotta commit, you know, balance your life with the amount of sacrifice you're willing to put into it, and be real with yourself, and just make time for all the things you need to do, because your life is like the soil web. Now you have to have the balance. So I've never seen someone like crush a garden when their life is all effed up on, you know, unorganized. For me, it's always come down to that, like, taking time to just plants and, like, observe them, like a lot of just sitting in there, and, like, looking around quietly for, like, weirdly amount of minutes, you know. And, you know, it's fun. It's like, so relaxing. It's like, a peaceful moment in my day. And you can really discover, create, you know, problems or notice, like, things that can help you on your next round get improved. So I'm always just trying to, and I think Rich has touched on this before too, is like, do each round do something a little bit different. You know, status quo is not going to make you better. We don't know everything at all. We're not even close. So the more you kind of fiddle around with stuff, and what works for me isn't going to be perfect for you or Terp or anyone you know. So you gotta find your own way, and don't just follow blindly without thinking about it.

That's all really good advice, man. I'm hearing a couple different things there. First thing that I'm hearing, which is like, don't give up. You. Might have a bad first run. You might not get the results you want for a few runs, but gardening is like a lifelong journey. So like, stick to it. Don't give up, and always be learning on the counter to that, like you said from the work balance, life balance, garden balance, perspective, don't bite off more than you can chew, right? Don't drive yourself crazy in the garden. The number one rule of guard. You know what? I learned this in poker, everybody. The number one rule in poker is when it stops being fun, you need to stop or change something. And it's the same thing with gardening, man, it once, once you're not having fun and it's stressing you out, or like you said, you're you're like, you're going off the rails because of all your garden responsibilities, and you can't get this done in time and that done in time. That's when you need to either step back for a little while or change something up, right? Downsize, get some help. What? As far as, like, helping the garden, whatever that means to you. So that's the same thing. It's kind of like, you know, don't bite off more than you can chew. Make sure that it's still easy and fun, and then, like you said, always be learning like this never stops. Be being a learning endeavor. You can a lot of people can get stuck in their ways, especially if they have success. That's the scary part. Is if you have good success with a style, you never change anything, and then you never really learn or grow as a gardener, which can be fine, but, but most people would like to kind of expand their knowledge, right, and try new things and learn new things through new challenges. So it was very well said, John, those are all really, really good points. I like that.

Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm pretty passionate about that side of things. That's good.

That was one really technical piece of advice, and then one very meta piece of advice. I like that. Let's get into taking clones, speaking of technical pieces of advice and maybe work life balance, I can only imagine having 150 cuttings like that that it's got to be. First of all, how do you deal with how? First of all, how do you deal with having that many genetics and not losing them? Man, like, honestly, can you give us tips on keeping that many plants alive and recorded and keeping

track of them? Yep, yeah. So I have a big my mentor is one of the best things he ever passed on to me was he never kept other planets around, really, for long. So I keep just a rotation. So basically, I'll just take a cut of a cut for eternity, and honestly, they get better over time. If you have a healthy system, like my oldest cuts just root in like six days, and I don't even have to look at them. They're just growing, you know, but the new ones are always it's always like the struggle of acclimating the salt babies into the crew. So

you don't mother until you have to take a bunch of cuts to ship them. The ones that you have on standby, you're keeping those small and then resetting them when they get to a certain size.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So mine are just for me and the bedding in the collection and to get clean stuff over to her right. And then he mother. He actually has mothers where He's taking, like, Top Cops off everything, you know, supporters. But for me to keep that meeting in rotation, I keep that meeting in a four by eight room. She can believe that in like, Solo cups. No, I keep doing three inch plastic pots. Oh, nice. Okay, then root, right? And then root riot terms, as long as I can, and then as soon as I just get unwieldy or unhealthy, like, the key is for me, is to take doesn't matter what's going on your life, if you're your little mothers are ready to take cuts. You only have, like, a five day window before they lose vigor and health. That's true, and then that just, it's like exponential problems after that. So you just have to, like, keep everything you pay attention to everything. Don't cut corners, keep it clean. So in the benefit of, like, cutting down everything and having little bugs instead of mothers all the time, is you can keep everything clean, swept up. True insects really don't get a chance to take hold of a life cycle on there. Yeah, and space is the huge thing for me. It's like, you couldn't grow them all big, like, right now, like, after we get off this, I'm going to be literally up potting and cloning all night.

I know it's a lot of fucking work, man. So there's no way around it. You can't take shortcuts. How do you keep track of it all? Do you do digital, or do you do analog?

I have Excel spreadsheet now you could just do everything in a notebook. I have a notebook where I take certain types of notes, and then I have, like, a massive spreadsheet. It's like turning into a monster, all these various lists. So I just kind of use color coding and different systems to keep track. And then I label every single cut no matter what. I don't play that game with like, Oh, I'll know what that is later. Yeah,

I tend to do that.

I'm like, crazy about it. I'm like, everything is labeled perfectly. Take your time. Don't do anything rushed. If you feel rushed, go to sleep. Take a nap. Stop. But know that the plants aren't waiting on you. Yeah. So

well then let's say it is time to take cuttings. What is I want to ask? I want to ask about mothers. Next, I'll ask Terp about mothers. But when you go to take a cut, John, what is your protocol look like? As far as cloning gel and tips and tricks, cutting angles? Any, any, any tips? Search tricks you can share. Yeah,

I'll do the basics. And honestly, TURP is just a master at this point, but I like, I just do what's affordable. So I like root riots, cubes. Personally, for me, just do really well. They're consistent. I've never had an issue in all my years with them. I know issues come up, I've heard about it, but for me, I think you just get to pay attention,

like, with anything, right? Especially something that's sold all over the nation. That's another thing. So, yeah. And then

I buy a box, a whole box, of scalpels, like disposable scalpels. And then I buy the tiny, little, the tiniest jars of clontech or root check. I think it's called, oh, nice conning gel. It's

like, the cheapest, yeah, orange stuff, yeah, the little the I talk about that stuff all the time. I used to use that back in Humboldt, yeah,

I love it. It's just affordable. And because I don't like, it's sketchy for me to have, like, a big old, expensive bottle sitting in your fridge, and it might go bad. And then when you get to take all these cuts that are valuable, it all, like, screws you over.

Yeah? That's the downside of the good. Like, organic high end stuff. It's only good for like, 90 days after opening, so it doesn't work in all situations.

Yeah, so I just wanted to make this thing, because it doesn't take much. You can clone these in water if you really wanted to. So it's worth it's like, worse off if you have a rotten clone gel or something than if you use nothing, I guess. No, that's a good point. And using the small butter containers, there's less chance for contamination one way or the other. That is a

good point. So, so you use this. I like the scalpel trick. First of all, that's nice. You get the incision on there, you swipe it through the clone gel. Or do you do, like, put it into a solution of clone gel or something.

So what I'll try to do is, well, what I do is, I have a doctor science, and I heat it up to 90 degrees Fahrenheit and mixed it really well with one of those, like, mixer things. And I have that, I jump the cut into that, I pull it back out. Yeah, pull it back out. That's great. And then I cut it. I lay it on a, like, little stone cutting board, because the wood will be too absorbent. It might spread hlbd to, like, because I have to wipe everything down between each freaking string, and, like, change out everything and bleach everything. It's like, yeah. So anyway, long story short, I find two of the like, I'll sit down about, like, two perfect clone height for me, which is about, like, four or five inches, and I try to look for like, two nodes that are pretty close to each other. And I'll, like, cut the bottom one at a 45 degree angle just below the node, and then hopefully both those nodes are kind of like in the cube with clone gel on them, so you have, like, multiple points that are exposed right at the top of the cube, like right below, yeah, because I get countless there, ah, and I'll let her take it from here.

Yeah. What do you think surf as far as taking cuttings?

Well, I basically, I got my tech from John, and I've just sort of been able to practice a bunch. But yeah, the root, Ryan cubes, I think the cleaning cut is really important. Using scissors, you got to be really careful, because if you crush it, crush the tissue, You're damaging it. And it's it's not going to call us as well, more

of a pinch? Yeah, and you're closing off that important surface area of the exposed inner plant material. That's a really good point. It's almost the reverse of when you're picking leaves. A lot of people like to pinch because they don't want this open sore wound, right? I didn't think about scissors having more, much more of a pinching mechanism than, for instance, a scalpel. So I like that. I'm going to order just disposable scalpels after this episode. Disposable scalpels after

this episode, but please continue, like, empirically, just like observationally, it seems to be true.

Yeah? It would make sense to me too. That does make sense, yeah?

And then I like to, and I don't do this every time, but I seem to have better results when I do is I'll take the cuts ahead of time, and I'll put them in, like a cup of water, but with like, like some power side, maybe some aloe. Oh, interesting, some good stuff. And that'll kind of like sit for the night before I plug them the next day. And I'll also soak the root right cubes in, like a light clone X solution, and then I'll squeeze those almost completely dry. And I don't know John and I feel like in different climates, it works differently. Yes, where I live, it's like six or 8% human all the time, yeah. And so I try to squeeze them pretty dry, because they're not losing a ton of moisture to the air. We're sucking up a ton of that's, yeah, exactly so. And I feel like those root right cubes hold it, like the perfect amount of moisture, even when they're pretty squeezed out. And, yeah, I try to have that node, like the top node, right at the top there, because sometimes I'll, like, bust a root right cube open if it's if I'm seeing if I'm not seeing rooting. And more often than not, there's no callous at that bottom cut, but I'll see huge callous both on the bottom and the top, right at that top node, like right at the top of the cube. And it seems when I do that, I seem to have a much better. Success rate. So I don't know that's just observational. And then after you, you know, John uses the root tech. I use the clone X gel, like the purple stuff, I get a big ass thing of it, and I split it into little jars, one for each strain, because I like to dip it and I don't want to cross contaminate. So, and, yeah, you, you got to switch out everything in between, like John's saying, wipe it. Wipe it all down with leash water. Before you take your next touch, you switch out your blade. And I like, I even get, I have the powdered stuff too. And so I will dip it in the gel, and then I will twist it into the powder, and then I'll put it in there. Double trouble. And it's actually, yeah, and it leaves this little white, kind of like loop at the top, and it's a signal to me, like, if I've watered it yet, like, after, like, later down the line I

see, because it'll be gone when the water hits it, yeah,

drains down into that hole. So I feel like it's adding more rooting hormones, sort of like a second,

yo. That's not a bad idea, though, to have that on the top and be, yeah, it's just a helpful little indicator. I know exactly what you mean that's going to be gone the next day the water. So you know, if they've gotten their first watering, that's funny,

for sure. And you learn the like darkness of those cubes and like how wet they are based on that color, because, yeah, you don't know, and you really don't want them too wet. I feel like that's the killer of most they're not getting enough, and I agree, they just rot, and so they don't callous. So that's that's another reason why I like to squeeze them pretty dry. And then I put them in the dome. I have, like the regular tray. I get those little green trays too, not with the cells, but just the tray, and then I put the cell in that, and it keeps it a little bit off the bottom of the pig tray. Yeah? And I can lift the whole thing out and kind of check the bottom for roots, because you don't want to be popping those things out and checking for roots all the time. That'll that's a huge tip, right there. Yeah, be patient.

Yeah, that's a good point. That's why they make the slatted inserts that you're talking about, right? So you can lift it up and look underneath. Because if you have to, sometimes, if you water those plugs in the holders, and then you have to pull them out, they break apart. Dude, I'm grabbing like a butter knife to try to fly out, talking about splits in half. Yeah, totally. So the slatted inserts are nice, for

sure. And when they get super rooted, I mean, they are kind of hard to pop out, so you really do want to use a knife or something. You don't want to try to pull them stem, because, yeah, they'll be real tight in there. And I like them when that you pop them out, and that whole cube is just like root, and they ship, yeah, you know, they, they might or may not ship better when they have a bunch of roots, because I feel like sometimes you're going to get some damage to those roots, shipping them. So the more roots, there's a lot, you know, you like, you lose a few. No big deal, because you got, like, 1000s. I

think just in general, I've been guilty of this, but people don't leave their cuttings in for long enough, like, I see one little root poking out of the bottom that, like, first little root hair. And I'm like, well, she's ready to throw into the next pot when I could probably wait, like, you know, 48 to 72 hours. And maybe it's better, you know, than than throwing it into a bigger medium and then over watering and inhibiting that root that just bust it out exactly,

yeah, if you have the time, you know. And the beautiful thing about us is, like, you don't have to worry about that. You're going to get a clone that's just ready to rock. So, you know, it's helpful.

Another benefit of farmers. Phenos, well, dude, doing tried and true cuts, I would just like to touch on this for a second. Yeah, doing tried and true cuts is a really great way to I mean, really for beginners and for experienced growers, I hear it all the time. You know what I mean, like when you're popping a seed, first of all, yes, you do get the like, magical experience of hunting and its true randomness, but you also get everything that comes along with that, like, you know, any strain can intersect out of any cross. And if you're growing from a tried and true cut that's been stressed in a variety of environments, and you know that it's it's more resistant to that intersex that could be very desirable for somebody, as opposed to just growing from a cut for sure, not knowing the the terpene profile, not knowing the medicinal effects, all of these things, they're both interesting ways to grow. But I feel that like growing from tried and true cuts is often the better strategy in a lot of ways. Yeah, I feel especially for beginners, but really for everybody, even if it's just

for medicine, you you might not have the space to test out a whole pack, you know. And like, that's all you're getting that when CV pop is like boof, you know, or it's like super Hermey, or or whatever that's time of yours. It's valuable that you just lost. So, you know, to me, paying, you know, 150 bucks or whatever, you know, for a guaranteed harvest, you know, is pretty valuable

in the long run. That's that's going to pay for itself, as compared to the time that you might. Spend hunting for something similar in a lot of people's cases, yeah.

And he's, you know, and John, John's, like, you know, tested all these, like, these are, these are, these are excellent finos, you know, these are really good selections. So we stand behind that and the quality that you're going to get. I love that man, for sure. Well,

you mentioned keeping these cuttings alive in circumstances where they're going to be in a box for a long time. I'm about to ship a, I'm about to ship a banana cutting. I'm looking at, I'm looking at like a mini little patch of banana trees out here in the backyard for broadcasting here from the islands of Hawaii. And there's some younglings back there. You're supposed to cut them out. I guess, to make the bigger banana trees yield better, you're supposed to cut out the seedlings from the growth. Yeah. And one of my friends was like, I want that cutting. So I got to figure out how to keep this thing alive in the mail, you know.

Yeah, we need to talk later. I might want to banana cutting too. Yeah.

I got you bro, I'm looking at, you know, probably four or five younglings that need to go now this one, this is going to be a little bit bigger than, I mean, listen, you can take cuttings from all sorts of plants too, for sure. I mean, the one that we're all growing, it really does root quite easily, I feel, compared to John. You tell me, is that the case? Is it hard? I imagine it's harder to, like, take cuttings of like, a fucking orchid. But am I wrong about that? Well,

yeah, I mean, orchid has always been a mystery to me, and I love them so much. So I can't really speak on orchids per se, but I do take cuttings of massive amount of variety, like probably 1000s of different varieties, every year, and honestly, and you see for us, there's like the rooting hormone. That's like, weaker and then a stronger one. So like, Woody stuff, stuff has thicker stems. It's like, kind of a rule, typically use a stronger rooting hormone.

Interesting, what is that? I know we're all using the indole three buttric acid. What's the, what's the one you use for? What are

your stuff? Yeah, I don't know the exact formula, or is it a stronger concentration? Maybe? Yeah, it's just a stronger formulation, yeah, of the same hormone. Interesting. Yeah, I don't really know the actual hormone that we're using specifically, but

that's it's harder to to do. The ones that you, like you said, are really Twiggy and and sticky and Woody, yeah?

But then there's, like, lantana, is that like, instantly, Coleus and a bunch of other types. Oh, interesting, yeah, succulents. You can just, like, break them apart and throw on the ground when they're running right. Practices can too. So cannabis is kind of in the middle then, yeah, it's a pretty good one for the most part. But each street, you know, I have trouble strains all the time. You know, I like Kush for examples. Like, traditionally, just takes for freaking effort for me, yeah, dependent in the butt, like, Yes, first

variation that makes sense that that would be highly cultivar dependent. Okay, cool, cool, that's good stuff. What about keeping them alive in like a box for who knows how

the F long? Yeah, well, getting, getting plants in the mail myself, a big mistake that I've seen is that the roots are like, too wet and being like, in the mail in the dark for four days or whatever. You know, they're not really respiring too much. They're not photosynthesizing, and they're not sucking up any water. So your your roots are just kind of suffocating,

rotting. I'm thinking, this thing's gonna have to it's gonna have to last a while. Let me pour a lot of water on there, but that's actually shooting yourself in the foot, yeah, doing yourself more harm than good. That's great advice. Yeah,

that's, that's huge, Paramount. I think that's one of the top ones that. And I think, like, secure having a package that secures it correctly, because I've gotten them before. And like, the cuttings, like bounced around in there, and it's like, bent and it's broken, you know. And it's like, fuck, you know, like, and you gotta call the person and let them know. And it's, it's,

it's always fun, yeah, there's, there's

certain packages that are made for it, you know. And there's a place for the root cube, and it's going to hold it there, and it's not going to bounce around. And those are worth the extra money, because it's, again, sometimes these are expensive clones, like John's probably got some clones spent 1000s, 1000s of dollars on so I don't want to talk about it's important that they make it in good shape. And then another thing, and I think with plants, maybe that smell a little bit like the super snow brunch that we were talking about earlier. That In veg is super strong smelling. It just reeks. Yeah, it's right, you like on a warm day or something. So vac feeling, I think, you know, you don't suck all the air out. You don't crush it, but you suck, yeah, it's a terrarium exactly, um, your roots are kind of given off white carbon dioxide, and the leaves are kind of given off a little bit of oxygen. You see, you got this, like, kind of stasis. And if you over water and and it, yeah. Give it a little bit of water. It's all trapped in there, you know, like a terrarium, like John was saying. So, oh man, I would say those are my top tips for shipping plants. First

of all, didn't realize so much went into it. And then the vac seal makes sense, because sometimes they're just reeking in badger reeking when you're taking cuttings. That's good stuff, man, over an hour has flown by. So, I mean, listen, we could keep going. We're gonna have to have you guys back on for sure. But let's just remind everybody, farmers, finos, okay, farmer's, that's double pH, pH, Farmer pH. Finos, at farmer's. Phenos, on Instagram, go ahead and hit 'em up. Ask for the menu say, grow cast BOGO. To claim your Bogo, you can get one of your choice and then one off of the old menu. They'll send you which ones you can get for the BOGO. So I think there's like 10 or 11 you can choose from, and you'll go ahead and buy one and get one free. Again, that's farmers finos on Instagram. We support these guys. They've done so much for grow cast seed co so make sure you go and take advantage of this one. How long is this? Is this running for the rest of February?

Yeah, we could do that. We can do the we can do the rest of it. We usually ship on Mondays. If you order something and it's not quite ready, I'm going to let you know, and I'm not going to send anything that's not ready, because I wanted to, you know, rage when you get it so nice. So, yeah, yeah, just be in contact with John. And we'll put the new menus. We'll put the menus back up. We did make a couple alterations due to some unfortunate drama in the scene, but yeah, at

farmers, phenos is where you go and get it hit him in the DM. And again, grow cast, Bogo, any parting words, guys, I appreciate you coming on the show. This was an awesome kind of overview. It's not the subject we cover a ton the world of cuttings and taking them, selecting them, shipping them, and all that. Any parting words before we wrap it up here?

No, just like, thanks for having us on. You know, this is a we enjoy talking about this stuff, and we want people to succeed, you know, most of all, like when you're shipping clones and taking cuttings, you know, there's and everybody's conditions are different, too. So I think people need to just remember that what worked for John or I might not work for you, and that's okay. Just keep trying. I love

it, man. Well, thank you for coming on the show. This is a dope episode, John, what do you got, buddy? Where can people find you? And any parting words here? Yeah, first

off, I appreciate you so much as a friend, as a podcast, it's my favorite podcast, and it's an honor to be on here. So thank you, and you know to all the groomies out there, never give up. Enjoy yourself, find peace in it. And you know, always hit me up. I love talking growing and like she knows at farmer, she knows like it's not just about selling you cuts. We love having relationships with people. That's pretty much what we're built on at this point. So it's kind of a big family. And I just really appreciate everyone. Oh,

we appreciate you, man. Terp burper, where can people find you? On Instagram, at

Terp burper, I think it's Terp underscore burper, pretty sure, yes, but it's a little mushroom dude hitting the bong. So that's that's how you'll know it's me. It's my little

you'll know for sure it's me. Again, guys go take advantage of that Bogo, and you won't regret it, man, I enjoyed every single one of those cultivars from their lineup. I hope you learned something today. Maybe you picked up some new tips on cloning, or the next time you're gonna mail somebody a new exotic banana plant, who knows? We sure love to hear what makes them tick and how they select quality from a hunt, because you see their page and it's just all quality folks. So go enjoy. I hope you learned something today, and thank you so much for tuning in. Everybody. That's it for growcast podcast. This is Farmer John Jordan River and Terp burper Paul signing off saying, be safe and grow smarter. Bye, bye, everyone. That's all. Thank you for listening everybody. I appreciate you for tuning in. Make sure to go to growcast podcast.com, there you'll find everything, the seeds, the membership, the events, it's all there. I appreciate you tuning in. We've got a whole month we're celebrating. That's right. Cookie Truffle Shuffle. Ah, we did a special little discount for the green listers only. Grow cast podcast.com/list, it's back everybody, but there's a coupon code that's going out to the green listers, Cookie Truffle Shuffle. It's one of our most amazing strains. Five bucks this month off for members and green listers. So we're very, very proud of this cross by rise of rich. It's going to sell out soon. You can find it at grow cast podcast.com, the cookie Truffle Shuffle coming out, gassy and creamy and sweet and funky. And it's very, very easy to grow fantastic strain. So consider picking it up. Make sure you're signed up for the green list, especially if you're not a member. Grow cast podcast.com/list, and I'll see you all on the next episode. Thank you so much. Be safe, everybody. Bye. Bye.

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