you know, I had wrote something this is Tom, I had, we did something like after lunch, we're trying to do something after our this is when we had like meetings. And we'd always try and find some kind of like an icebreaker, instead of being in the morning, we would do it in the afternoon as a group, and you know, like, your comment about the CEO, or somebody saying that they're not going to participate? Well, everyone in the group had to participate, managers, VPS, whoever happened to be in the meetings, but the point was, is that you would create some kind of an exercise, anything from asking questions, to balloon games, to the squish ball, toss, things to get him going. And they all had to participate, we made up differently, you know, it played different twists to it. For example, one of the things was, you had to write on a card during the morning, and you'd have to put down three things, two of them were lies, and one is the truth. And then people would have to guess who that person is. And I would be the facilitator. And I'd hold the card. So I knew and it was so much fun to get people trying to guess who who's the person who did this, who's the person who did that, and even some of the lies they would make were, are enjoyable. And that kind of broke down some of those barriers. And, and again, we I also had the same thing with the similar upper management lawn, I'm not going to do that. And you told no, you know, if you're a team member, then you're a team member, I don't care, you know, you're the janitor, or the CEO type of thing, you know, you're in it. And so we found that to be just such a huge, because people would walk away from that going, I never knew that I never knew about you, I didn't know, you were a singer, you're in a rock band, you're you know, those kinds of things come out of it. And it just just opens up such a much more of a relaxed atmosphere for the rest of the day, too. So it's amazing how much more you get done in the afternoon than we did in the morning. So I suppose one of my thoughts