This is What's the Deal Grosse Ile, the podcast that explores the people places history and events that make Rocio unique. I'm your host, Ben fote. Now, if you've been a subscriber to the podcast for a while, you know that there are a lot of episodes about history. And that's because there's a lot to talk about that is historical when it comes to this island in the mouth of the Detroit River. Today, we're going to talk about an organization that is devoted to protecting our historical places and artifacts, and sharing stories of those who preceded us here. Tony kowski, at Kern cozy, and Gary cadeau are with me to talk about the Grosse Ile Historical Society, and a couple of annual events that are coming up this fall. Thanks for joining me. Thank you. Well, let's start introduce yourself and tell me what your role is with the Historical Society. And what brings you to be interested in Brazil's history.
Well, my name is Tony Krukowski. I've lived on the island since 1976. My wife is long term, a longtime resident. And once I retired, I wanted to get involved with some extracurricular activities. I'd worked with the school district for 17 years. And I looked at the Historical Society and I love history. And I decided I wanted to be involved with the Historical Society. So I've been doing that now for about seven years.
My name is Karan Cozzi. I am currently the president of the historical society and lived in Grosse Ile since I was four years old. I moved here in 1968, with my parents and just just love it here. I mean, it's a beautiful peaceful place to live in, I actually join Historical Society because my mom is also on the board, so to spend more time with her and she was so positive of all the great work that struck us outside he was doing in the community that I wanted to participate.
My name is Gary Kadau. I'm responsible for maintaining the properties of the Historical Society. I've been here since 1983 raised the family here, and I just enjoy old steamboats trains, planes. So what's not to like about the Historical Society?
Sure. Oh, that's great. As far as the basics, what's the purpose of the Historical Society? Well,
our community has a rich history dating back to 1776. And our museum contains numerous artifacts than been maintained since the Historical Society was founded in 1959. The purpose of historical society is to enrich community pride by sharing Brazil's heritage and to collect and preserve artifacts to tell the stories of significant events. The Historical Society is responsible for preserving artifacts, creating exhibits community outreach and education and maintaining our museums. I mentioned museums because we have responsibility for the Train Depot Museum, which is formerly the train station that supported the Canada Southern Railway, which starting in 1873, carry people and freight between the US and Canada. Second is the customs house built in 1871 to house the customs officer responsible for trains traveling between the two countries. The Customs House was designated as a Michigan State Historic Site in 19 82/3 is the Rosedale airport, formerly a US Naval Air Station from 1927 until 1969, the small military base train pilots of both the United States Air Force and the Royal Air Force, George HW Bush was stationed in Brazil and Amelia Earhart visited during this time period. The airport is still operational for small planes.
And you can't leave out Bob Barker. Oh, and Bob
Barker, thank you for so many. Thank you. Yes, Bob Barker, and forth is DeGrazia lighthouse, built in 1894 and rebuilt in 1906 to the classic white architecture that it is today. The Historical Society is responsible for maintenance of the structure and conducts annual tours to raise funds and share the historic site with the community and other visitors. In 2019. We were the first step of a nationwide Lighthouse tour.
Oh, wow. Now for folks that want to plug into the historic stories of grassy hill with all these locations, what's the best way to get plugged into the stories? How do you experience those?
Well, I like to learn about historic stories of the island and surrounding areas people can first of all visit our museum. It's open on Sundays from one to 4pm. We're currently refreshing our exhibits so that visitors can walk away with a better understanding of some significant events over the past children 50 years. Visitors can attend special events like the lighthouse tour being conducted on September 11. Tony kowski is going to talk a little bit more about that when it's his turn to talk. They can read books about Brazil and the surrounding areas. We have amazing resources for sale at the museum and who Putting a storybook in an activity book for children that contains interesting facts about the history of Brazil. And you can check out our Facebook page where we post stories and photographs weekly. Or you can look for stories on opportunity grow zeal and grow zeal now.
Oh, that's great. Yeah. And did the activity book that won some awards? Right?
It did that actually the children's book that was our COVID project. And because we were not able to conduct any events during COVID, one of the board members had the suggestion of, to ban we don't have a children's book for outreach and to generate revenue while we have all of our events canceled, and so Genie for kowski and I genies, the Treasurer, and also a lifelong member of Rocio. We collaborated and created a children's book and it actually won the Historical Society of Michigan State award for children's books last year. So it was very exciting for us to have that kind of recognition.
Yeah, that's fabulous. I bought one at Christmas time last year, I believe, for supporting us. Yeah, of course, there's, there's irony and asking this question. But let's talk about the history of the historical society. So we're sort of, you know, diving down that tunnel there. But how did the Historical Society come to be?
Well, back in 1959, a group of people from gross eel decided that they wanted to come up with some way of preserving the history of Brazil. You know, we as you know, we go way back to 1776. And unlike a lot of other places in the United States, where the history is, it's kind of confined to a certain period of time, Brazil's history is really extended from 1776. To to the current date, almost every decade, there was something remarkable happening on gross zeal. And so that group, what they did is they sent out a community wide request to try to accumulate as many historical items as they possibly could. And for a long time, they were just stored in people's attics and basements. And finally, the storage of society was able to convince the county to give us the old railroad depot. And we use that as the, as the structure will be housed. These are historical items. And in recent days, the attempt to do is turn that museum and to not only just a collection of old items, but also to try to tell the stories behind the items. We think it's so important that people understand how certain things were used, how old they were, and how they might be connected to specific people and events that they happen in the community.
We've talked about those buildings now. So just to be clear for everyone that so the depot was the building that looks out over the river at the corner of gristle Parkway and East River Road, right? That's correct. And then the building that setback further. The Customs House, the Customs House, that's it
part of the East River Historic District.
Yeah, let's talk about that historic district. I was reading on the Historic Society website about the historic districts in it. So that's that's one of them. What does that what all does that include? That's more than just those buildings there isn't it?
Well, the formal East River Historic District was created in 1972. It comprises 11 structures from St. James church north along east river road. It includes five Victorian houses built from the 1840s to the 1870s, the Custom House, built in 1873, and the 1904, Michigan Central Railroad Depot. The last two buildings represent a time when gross yield was part of make of a major railroad that connect Canada Southern Railway between Chicago and Buffalo, New York, running through Canada, from 1873 to 1883. Trains would cross the Trenton channel on a railroad bridge located where the current free bridges, they would continue overgrow seal and cross the stony island on the second bridge. But from Stony Island passenger and freight cars would be loaded onto a ferry boat and transferred Canada might be hard to believe today. But over 1000 railroad cars could be transferred in single day between Rocio and Canada on the ferries. Many of the cars carried cattle from the west and they would stop and Rocio in load, unload the cattle on into very large stockyards, where the grocery aisle Golf and Country Club currently is today. After being watered and fed, they would contract and continue their trip and a few days and then test to bore the tunnel under the river to Canada failed because of the condition of the limestone. Otherwise, we would now be a major town on the railroad today. With the completion of the tunnels in Detroit and Port Huron however, Rocio lost its Canadian traffic, and the ferries had to shut down out the opening of the toll bridge in 1913. And the increased use of automobiles resulted in the end of passenger trains and maintain 24 and freight trains in 1928. And I guess finally, what the fate of the railroad depot? Well, that 1904 railroad depot we refer to is really the new railroad depot. It replaced the one originally built in 1873. And after the Michigan Central Railroad, abandoned it, the depot went through several afterlives. At various times, it was a school, a library, gift shop, township Hall Board of Education, offices and a police station, we were able to acquire this building in 1987. And now it has over 400 years of history, and we're still expanding it. Then finally, finally, the Customs House also went through several changes. It was sold, after about 1883, shut down on the railroad to Canada, and was moved to Macomb Street. It became a barber shop, a pool hall sold a parlor, private home, and finally a bank. The good news is that when the bank wanted to remove it and replace it with a new building, in 1978, it was sold to the Historical Society for $1 and move back to near its previous location. Currently, we use it to store archives and give a representation of living in the past. So I guess that's how best to define the historic district. Sure.
And if any of your listeners would like to, to learn specific details, also during COVID, we wrote a book Getting around Brazil, and it's a map of Brazil with all the historic district and other significant locations around the island. So you can do a self driving tour to learn about the community and see the locations on your own over your 100 Thank you over 100 locations.
If I remember right, you're part of the paint the town red event where people can can follow that that scavenger hunt around the around the island to write
the historical society develops 35 questions that contain interesting facts about Rocio its history. And the Kiwanis Club uses that to attract interest to our business district and sites around grow seal as part of the fundraising.
Sure. And that's a that's another way to see all those spots. Now, are there other historic, historically designated areas, maybe the airport is one of those?
Well, I guess really all of those seal can be considered a historic, that's for sure. For Native American habitation French explorers, including Cadillac who almost chose grow seal as its location for establishing Detroit, British occupation and then the Americans to present we have eight Michigan Historic Site markers on the island. And these include where the 1776 Treaty between Macomb brothers and Native American tribes are signed, where Cameron Waterman, the inventor of the outboard motor engine lived, and then the location of the American fort stablished, after the War of 1812. I mean, current has already describe the history of our airport. To an extent, I might add that it is open for viewing during normal policy hours. Museum isn't the actual township Hall. So that is open quite a bit.
And there's a display of artifacts there too. Yes, so individuals and families can become members of the society, right? That's correct. What are the benefits? What do you get with that? Well,
we're also enthusiasts, I guess. Thank you, Ben. So one of the benefits is getting early notice for event tickets, as sometimes our events sell out, for example, the lighthouse tour and the gold hub goes time. But there's so much more. In addition, you you receive discounted tickets, being being a member, you receive quarterly newsletters, you get to meet others with a shared interest in history, you become part of that community. You can utilize your talents to improve the museum and participate in outreach events. Like we were in this girl's little educational Educational Foundation summer program last week. Yeah. Great to share with the kids the history of Roseville, you can participate in some more events, maybe help us create some new events. Of course, we can always use an extra set of hands. So if you're handy you like to work outdoors or some yard work, some painting or maybe you prefer to work indoors and you want to work on the museum committee or help us work with our artifacts we would just love to have more people involved to so they learn more about the history of Brazil because it was just so, so fascinating. We hit the reimagine museum project. And a couple of years ago I happened to be at a museum that had been at a train station and brought back the ideas in the name of the consultant who worked with them. So we are in the process, as Tony mentioned earlier of creating the exhibits, in a way that people walk away with the stories, they're not just looking at the artifacts and saying, oh, that's, that's a suitcase, but to learn that Brazil had been a vacation destination, so we've been revamping slowly, it's gonna take us a few years, but revamping our exhibit so that people walk away with a really great understanding as to the historical significance of, of koroseal.
And that's a difficult thing to do. I've, you know, with my my day job, I get to experience a lot of that, and here curators, you know, some of the probably some of the famous, most famous curators in the country talking about how they revisit those those particularly at the Henry Ford the exhibits, the buildings, and it's not a small project, you know, when when, when that Museum does it, it's it's 10s of 1000s of dollars that they can write a check for, but for our small Township, that's not, that's not something we can just do every day.
Well, we're, we're self funded, so does not does not
just mean our population. Yes, you know, our 11,000 People can't support a major, major thing like that.
Yes, that's true. And that's where some of us who have gotten involved in the museum remediation project, and we were finding skills we didn't realize we had. And it's really it's very rewarding, all of a sudden, you find, oh, hey, I didn't know you knew how to do that. And in getting some of these pictures printed and put on canvas and, and writing up the stories or newsletters or a letter from a girl in some of the slang, she will use it that time and just incorporating all those those facts into it. So that's interesting for people of all ages, children, and and adults, and different experiences and interests in history. So that's what we're trying to do is make it so that more people will be interested in visiting and really take away the stories because we have so many amazing stories that occurred here in Brazil.
Well, that's for sure. Well, we talked about getting discounts on tickets and early notice about those events. And two of those big events are coming up just in the next few weeks. The first is the annual Lighthouse tour on September 11. And that seems to sell out pretty quick and the the other one is the October 1 ghost hunt. So let's let's talk about the lighthouse tour. First. What happens on the tour
the tourists on Sunday, September 11. So you mentioned and it was it's very popular, currently mentioned I am a national group a few years ago came to the lighthouse Lighthouse tour. And those people came from faraway places like Oregon, Southern California, Maine, Florida. So they are from all over the United States. And on September 11, we're going to have three time slots one from noon to 130, another one from 130 to three and then a third from three o'clock to 430. The tickets are $15 for members $20. For non members, we restrict the age to 10 years of age or older only because part of the the tour is climbing the 40 steps to get to the top of the of the lighthouse. And it might be difficult for a child under the age of 10 to be able to negotiate that the tour begins over at the Customs House over on Parkway and East River. And the reason we have a tour start there is because you can't drive or you could you could drive to lighthouse, but there's no place to park and the lighthouse is on private property. So what we do is rearrange for a school bus to transport our participants from the Custom House over to the White House. The drive there itself is is interesting because they're going to the historic area and you're hearing stories about the Livingstone Channel and of the 64 room hotel that used to exist about where the lighthouse is today. And that's that's a great story in itself. What we do is of the 24 to 25 people who are on each of the tours, we take groups of eight up to the top of the of the lighthouse if they if they choose to do that, where there's a docent waiting to tell them about the history of the lighthouse and the purpose of lighthouse. And people were waiting to take in the beautiful view around the lighthouse. And like I said hear about the stories of some of the things that happened around that area, for example, Livingstone Channel and the large Alexandra House Hotel. The second event that we have coming up is the ghost hunt that takes place on Saturday, October 1, and it's described by Scotsman this is for those who have an interest in ghoulies and ghosties and Longley Get the beasties and things that go bump in the night. And the ghost town is run by the paranormal secret society of Michigan. They bring in a large collection of equipment to ferret out the spirits to me inhabit the Customs House and the and the depot. And both buildings have had many uses, as Gary mentioned, through their over 100 years of existence. Tickets are $20 for members and $25 for non members. And there's two time slots one at 530 and one to eight o'clock. And there's only 20 participants for each time slot. We have 10 people over in the Customs House 10 people over in the depot. And halfway through the ferreting out of the spirits, the two groups switch. So we never have a large group in either either one of the two locations, participants must be 18 years of age and show a valid picture ID with with with a birth birth date. Okay,
and we'll have links to tickets for both of those events on in the episode notes here. What other events happen throughout the year that I know that historical society puts on lots of events throughout. And some of those are predictable. Some of them are take take a little bit of time to develop. So
well. We tried this year, we've probably put something on just about once a month. We had a prohibition speaker come in. We have a speaker talking about Laurel and Laura Ingalls Wilder. And the in the prairie experience we had recently we had a speaker come in and talk about beer. She talked about beer producers across the country, the state. And she specifically talked about Mr. Voight, who was a brewer and how he built the bridge to transport His person around horses across to Detroit to pull his beer wagons. So those are just kind of a sampling of the kinds of events we have. I think we mentioned earlier that we have the holiday boutique around the holidays. It runs between roughly Thanksgiving and Christmas, where we have several dozen artisans crafters who come in and display their wares for sale.
Yeah, two other events too. I want to mention, for the first time we had a railroad history day in May, and run the middle of May commemorates the pounding of the golden spike the completion of the transcontinental railroad. And so we wanted to recognize that special that Mike sharing the history of Brazil's depot with our visitors so we were dressed up here it was a conductor and several years progressed up and was to help people would be dressed at that time for train travel. And it adults and kids, they really, really was fun. We did activities for the kids. We also had a Victorian tea at one of the beautiful historic homes here at East River and had a individual come in tea company and certain luncheon and tea of course, and then we were able to tour this beautiful home that's from the late 1800s. So really made it special to actually be in someone's home and to see the beautiful artifacts and hear the history of the location. We look
for topics that might be interesting, specifically to people who live on the island but also who to be interested in history at the downriver area. Sure. Sometimes like the Laura Ingalls Wilder is is probably beyond the island but we tried to to bring in speakers that would would address topics related to our history,
like the Civil War and the effect on Michigan. Yeah.
Is there a relationship between the Grosse Ile Historical Society and the rest of the downriver historical societies?
Yes, we belong to the downriver historical organization, put out information we we tried to get it out to all of the different historical groups in the in the downriver area.
How many of those are there? Does every town and township have one
just about but we're, we're unique in a way. I think current try to bring some of that out earlier is that we're one of the few that is not supported through the twine municipality. Okay, we do all of our fundraising as and activities as volunteers. And so we're really reliant pretty heavily reliant on people making donations and being members of our organization.
Well, then, speaking of that, obviously, one of the things that the historical society needs all the time are volunteers. So how does somebody find out about what kind of volunteering they can do. And what kind of volunteering Are you looking for right now?
Well, we definitely volunteers that we can keep our museum open on Sundays from one to four o'clock. So if they, if they're interested in being a docent, they can, they can contact us at area code 734-675-1250. And in that way we can we can try to connect them with something they would like to do, they might like to be a docent at the museum. We've also got some things going on at the think could do sometime during the week if they had time. Like, for example, where we we have we purchase a scanner, and we're scanning all the yield cameras that started that were published, beginning in 1945, until the paper finally closed down. And our hope is to be able to get all of those scanned. And then if somebody had an interest in a particular family member, or an event that happened in Brazil, and it was covered in the yellow camera, it'd be able to go to this, this database, we have easily come up with the information. And it's also going to help us with category categorizing items that have been donated to us. They have a green thumb, they can help us with keeping the ground beautiful grounds beautiful. There's just a lot of things that we can use culture. If they have a brown
thumb, I can use them for paint. Electrical work. Yeah,
options. Well, in the quantas just recently helped with painting a fence, right? Yes, they did
that we call it the Tom Sawyer days. Yeah. And we had a nice turnout. Yeah.
Keitha Keith's been on the show a couple times, I think now. And he's, he sure does a get the volunteers out when he when he, when he, when he calls out, he seems to have a bad signal that people people come out for. So that's great. Particularly for for volunteering. I think you said there's an event coming up in 2026 that we need, we need help getting people interested in helping for that.
Yes, it's, it's, it's going to be a big celebration, or it should be because it's 250 years of our of our history. And we're hoping to like, like we mentioned, to get as many organizations involved in that as possible. And we think as we kind of move up to that, that date of 2026, that things will really ramp up. I can remember when I first moved to Brazil, in 1976, I was doing some work on the inside of the house, I happen to have the front door open. And it was on July 4 Around noon, and all the bells from all the churches repealing across the island. And I remember what a significant event that that that seemed to me, and we would like to do something similar for our 202,026 celebration.
And so anybody who's interested in that, if you've got an organization that wants to be part of that, make sure to contact the Historical Society. We'll have links in the Episode Notes there. And speaking of that, what are the best ways for people to keep in touch with the Historical Society? I know, there's a big Facebook presence now. Especially through grocery aisle now. There's been a lot of things posted there. And as you mentioned, was that a was that opportunity? Grossie? I think? Yes, sharing things. Any other ways? Is there an email list?
Well, there's, they can reach us through our society website, which is www.gihistsoc.org. They can go to Eventbrite. And that has a list of our activities. They can go to the townships, community events calendar, we have information on upcoming events there. Or they can just contact us at area code 734-675-1250.
Excellent, excellent.
If become a member, they'll receive our quarterly newsletter, which also lists all of our events,
and how much is membership. Our membership
is 25 for single 50 for our family, okay, but you can get a discount if you join for a year and a half. Excellent. So if they if they want to contact us we can we can certainly get them involved with the with the society.
All right. Great, so I think that I think that covers anything, anything else you want to add in in about the society?
Well, I just had a couple closing comments. Go for it. Some other questions for us, Ben.
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna finish with our wishes. So let's get in get in what you want before before we get to wishes because
I just wanted to add one One more thing to what Tony was mentioning all the great opportunities. If someone is familiar with fundraising, or maybe writing grants, that's where, as Tony mentioned, you know, we are we're all volunteers at the Historical Society. And we know we're doing doing a pretty good job with their fundraising. But we would appreciate anyone that has ideas on how to raise funds, or, or promote the museum. Or if that's not something that they have expertise sending, they want to come in and do some research on some of the artifacts because that's when you start digging into these stories. It really is fascinating. And the more you read, the more you learn. And it really does draw you in to, to our amazing history,
that's for sure. Speaking of artifacts, if somebody has something from say, they're they're digging through, maybe their grandparents house or house they've bought that had a lot of stuff in the basement, and they think there might be things that are significant to grisea. Like you said, some of the stuff was stored in basements. What how could they? How could they possibly refer that to you in case it might be useful?
We have a museum committee that meets every Thursday morning, from 10 to 12. And the committee would look at the item to determine whether or not there are some significant history of recalls. That's only to say, I'm delivering Roseville, and it's something from California and other country, it might not necessarily be. So they have to go through. So there's a process to determine whether or not something that could be added into our artifacts. But yes, we would love to if someone has something they think would be interesting or could add to our exhibits. We would love to hear what those items are.
Yeah, excellent. All right. Well, you know, from from the very beginning of the podcast back a couple years ago, I've been asking guests to make a wish for grocery aisle, would you or what would you wish for the community or for the island as a whole?
I'll start that's okay. So my wish is that residents routine, the feeling of living in a small town by learning about our community. You've heard a lot today about the gross Historical Society and some of the amazing history. We have a special it's a peaceful island community filled with beauty and an amazing history. We've realized that some people don't even know we have a museum. So that really makes us realize this is a great opportunity for outreach. Helping people learn about the history of Roseville is one of the reasons that we're recreating the museum calling it the reimagine museum experience to hopefully list some technology in there so the interactive kiosks so people can learn at their own pace. If there's something that you really want to dig into some more, you can continue to keep pressing buttons to go further if it's a topic in particularly interested in you can walk on and move to the next is, as we mentioned a couple times but doesn't hurt to say it again. We're open on Sundays from one to 4pm. We're on the corner of East River Road in Roseville Parkway. And if you come to visit us, you'll learn a lot for example, Cameron Waterman, who invented the gasoline powered outboard motor, and we have outboard motor there. So you can see it's not the original one, but it is what you can see and read about camera Waterman. You'll see photographs and article art, excuse me, photographs and artifacts from West graph Gardens, which is the oldest family environment in Michigan. You learn about the railroad depot, of course, you'll see exhibits explaining how Rosea was a vacation destination back in the 1800s. And how people would be transported via steamer and horse and buggy. You'll see photographs about when a Livingstone Channel was dug, starting in 1908. At that time, was considered an engineering marvel as dams were built to redirect the Detroit River. And it's just amazing when when you look at what was accomplished. So if if you have an interest in history, or maybe you want to learn more of our community, please visit the websites that we mentioned earlier WWW dot g i HISTC. Excuse me, G www.gi HISTSOC dot o RG. Or you can you can call us 734-675-1250. And as you mentioned earlier, we're starting to make our plans to celebrate our 200 and 50th birthday on July 6 2026. So hope you're able to support us
any other wishes?
Well, my wish would be that the people who have lived on Grossie a long time, have some very interesting stories to tell would share those stories with us. And I guess my other wish would be the new families that have just recently They come to the island, we would hope they will become involved with our organization so that there's a future to our history. Sure.
And I guess my wish would be for volunteers to join us because and scanning, because we literally have yards of pictures, documents, newspaper articles, that if we could get into this computer database, we could now share it with everybody, rather than a few people just kind of scurrying around looking for things hidden corners.
Yeah, you know, I bet that I bet that's a lot of fun. I bet as you're as you're scanning through things, you can't help but read the things and you'll stumble across stuff that just is going to lead to other things. Oh, maybe that's maybe that's fallen down a rabbit hole might not be the best thing. But I bet it's a lot of fun. Anyway,
very much. So.
Yeah. Amazing how just going through some of the artifacts that we have we come across just some fascinating things. Just recently, Gary was able to find this document that was signed by James Madison and James Monroe. Oh my goodness, to the related to the the deeding of the property to the Macomb brothers sons. Oh, wow. We also came across a fork from the old fork that existed from 1812 to no 1815 1819.
And I didn't even know that there was a fort on the island. So that's yes, that's, that's a new rabbit hole for me. I heard about a rabbit hole that you found a signature of, of Orville Wright. I think we got connected together in the first place there Tony. Yeah, yeah. So so all sorts of interesting things discover there at the the grocery aisle Historical Society and always an adventure and definitely fun to to get down there. There are there's also a lot of things. Informational books, so So I have bought some some books at the at the society that give me more information about the island. In addition to the newer things, there's a some more, some older books that have been published that the Historical Society society has on hand. So lots of resources down there. Well, thank you car and Tony and Gary, I really appreciate and admire the work that Historical Society has been doing to protect and share the history of Grosse Ile, and, and centuries of residence. I hope we can talk about more events and some other historical topics here in the future. So I really appreciate getting a chance to talk to you today. Thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Of all of gracias many organizations, the Historical Society is one that has something for everyone. When you take a trip over on Sunday and see what it has the Episode notes have links to the grocery aisle, Historical Society site and the lighthouse tour, and the ghost hunt and a lot more. They also have ways to interact with and support the podcasts. What's the Deal? Grosse Ile is a product of food Media Productions LLC, and the music is rhythm of the river by JF cloths. Thank you for listening to What's the Deal Grosse
