Well, I ended up at Brandeis University in 1960, I suspect as many young people choosing colleges, not knowing too much about what I was doing. Brandeis had been built quickly. It had taken advantage of a lot of émigré scholars and a lot of scholars who were either too Jewish or too left or both for the mainstream Academy, and it was an exciting place to be. And my interests developed in particular in psychology, which was my major, and in the arts and society. And when I came to do an undergraduate honors thesis, I embarked on what turned into a fairly ambitious project to interview six psychologists about their own work. I could do oral histories, if you like, of their creative process and understand their work in a way that I might not, say, if I were interviewing physicists or even musicians. Probably the most famous is my mentor and advisor Abe Maslow. Several of the subjects said, "Well, I'm doing my own memoirs, and I don't want to just be published." But now, it's, you know, long in the past. If they had any memoirs to write, they did it. So I am in fact going to publish it, because I think actually, having reread it, there is material there that will be of interest. And from there, I went to Columbia University, where I was in the department of social psychology.