okay, well, the I'll review the the process so we have usually. Four people minimum, can be maybe six, you know, up to six or so, maybe even seven. And then. So the idea is to have smaller groups, so everyone has a real chance to speak and be heard and to listen to others. And so that, you know, smaller group maximizes, sort of the involvement. And in the process, there's the roles, there's a speaker, there's a listen, there's an active listener, and then there's the silent listeners, and then there's a facilitator. So the facilitators job is only to hold the process, and you don't even need a facilitator if everyone is really familiar with the process, because you just stick with the process. And then there's one speaker, you know, and if we had two other people here, and I was the first speaker, I would speak to you, you know, I'd say a concept, an idea or two, you know, which is usually about 30 seconds, 45 seconds. And then I pause, and you reflect back your understanding of what I've said, and I check Did you understand it? Then maybe if you, if you didn't quite understand it, I'll say it again, in a way, until I feel that you really understood what it is that I'm saying to my satisfaction. So it's really for me to feel satisfied that I've been heard, understood, and sometimes, you know, we've done empathy circles with, you know, like the folks that were the identity Europa group, they were the ones that had the khaki T shirts and tiki torches, and it the shirts in Charlottesville. We had a group of them, and we're talking about the Holocaust, right, and their Holocaust deniers, and one of them just could not say, reflect back. My friend, who's Jewish too, was saying, the Holocaust means to me that, you know, half my family in Austria were killed, and the other half were spread around the world. And he just, the guy, just didn't want to say it, didn't want to say it. And my friend said it like four times, you know, until his the other guy, I didn't wrote, but his friend said, Just tell him what you heard him say. And he did. He said, after your family you were killed, and the other, you know, half were spread around the world. And so my friend had to feel heard to his satisfaction, that you really got what I had to say you and people try to ask you skate, or, you know, or say something else, or they try to put their own stuff in it. You say, No, I didn't say that. I said this until you feel heard. But then we have time limits. Turns so I'll have the speaker, I have maybe up to five minutes to speak, and then the facilitator just keeps the time. Says, Okay, your time is up. You finish your thought, maybe in a sentence, you get your final reflection to feel heard. And then you as the listener. It becomes your turn to be the speaker. And then you select someone else in the circle to speak to, and you can say, Oh, I have a question about what Edwin said. And my question is this, when it's your turn to speak, you can say anything when it's your turn to speak, you can be judgmentally, because Edwin's a real asshole, I think he's full of shit. And then your listener would say, Well, I hear you say you think Edwin is an asshole and he's full of shit, so and or whatever. So you're totally free. It's total free speech. Say anything you want. You can be judgmental, which is not necessarily very empathic way of speaking, but it's still, it's totally about free free speech. And then you're the person you're speaking to. Would do the same, listening to you. And then when your five minutes is up, the facilitator says, time's up if you know or finished. And then they become the speaker, and they select their listener, and it just goes like that. For You know, I find two hours is usually a good amount of time to really get kind of deep. And so everyone in the process feels, you know, heard to their satisfaction. And it's also, you can try it for conflict mediation. We use the same thing if people are in conflict, you know, you bring a family conflict, you bring it into an empathy circle. And you know, you can kind of work out. In fact, I think families should be doing it on a regular basis, just for making sure all family members feel heard and understood.