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You're listening to the face value podcast episode 176 Lisa Marie Presley died from weight loss surgery legends It's fat phobia style part two. I'm your host Vinny Welsby. Glad to do it

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Hello, welcome to this episode first fatty and first fatty allies How you doing? How's life? How's the trip and Yeah, you're good. I'm good. You're good. I've got a song stuck in my head. I'm gonna get it stuck in your head. All I need is the air that I breathe in to love you. You know that song some times or YouTube it is colder it's the Hollies the air that I breathe is it give you a little snippet maybe I'll get in trouble I'll do it for one second. The air that I breathe okay the air that I breathe by the Hollies there you go there's a little via taken down of

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anyway your your your your play another famous person dead because of that phobia. Yeah. I put out a post when was it? July 13. With on Instagram, Lisa Marie Presley died from complications from prior weight loss surgery or toss autopsy report shows. And, and previously, about a week before July 4, I put out another Instagram post. How much did fat phobia and diet culture lead to these famous people's deaths? And those were a round up of a previous podcast episode that I did. Legends that fat phobia stole episode 145 Put it in the show notes. And that covered people like Amy Winehouse, Cass, Elliot, Karen Carpenter, Nicki Graham, Heidi Gunther, and many others. And so yeah, well, I'm this this post that I put up before Lisa Marie Presley's autopsy results, which was shown people were like, and this person and that person and this person and that person, and they weren't people that I'd had covered in that previous episode. And I mean, this, there's probably so so so so many people who have died because of anti fatness. Famous people specifically. And so some of these, I'm gonna read out people's comments, and then I'm going to tell you what I found information about it. But before we do, let's talk about Lisa Marie Presley. And quick thing. If you like the show, if you want it to continue and you'd like this work, you want to support the work of a first party like me go to cofee and you will get free chips. Okay. Oh, f i first fatty link in the show notes, links to everything that we're talking about today in the show notes which is fierce fatty.com forward slash 176. Or in your show notes on your apps. Trigger warning for this episode, because we're talking about people who have died from eating disorders, people who have experienced trauma, there's one brief mention of essay sexual assault. And it's it's one sentence so I'll let you know when that's coming up if you need to skip ahead. Yeah, and disordered eating, eating disorders, disordered eating? Anti fatness, all of that stuff. So it's a it's a big one. It's a big one. And so if that's not feeling right for you today, please skip this episode. Go in, listen to something else or go and look at some videos of dogs online or something like that. So on that first post, I had shared of, you know, the that didn't mention Lisa Marie Presley because it came out a week or so before the autopsy results were announced someone said it's not real. It's not widely mentioned really. But Lisa Marie Presley lost. Should I tell you wait, no. Lost x pounds with quote medication according to a reputable Newspaper Source saw says in just six weeks to appear at the Golden Globes, right before her death, she also she also had plastic surgery in that time period. So that was interesting. I messed it up. I left a comment saying, Wow, you You were very right about Lisa Marie Presley. So I wonder if that weight loss with medication was as Empik or what? But she had had weight loss surgery many years before. Let me see. Actually, I didn't get that. How many years before? Lisa Marie Presley? Actually somewhere somewhere? Instagram post

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a quick search. He's not telling me I remember seeing eight years ago that she had it years, people are reporting years so that means minimum three, presumably, but I think I remember seeing eight years. Okay, so quote, Lisa Marie Presley. His cause of death was the result of a surgery that she had undergone years before an autopsy report confirm the only child of Elvis Presley she experienced what's known as a small bowel obstruction, which sometimes occurs in people who've had bariatric surgery. The autopsy report was made public six months after Lisa Marie Presley died at the age of 54. On January the 12th 2023. At the time, authorities confirmed she suffered cardiac arrest before sudden death before her sudden death. She was found not breathing in a home in Calabasas, California and was taken to the hospital, where she was later declared dead. Lisa Marie Presley died from the after effects or sub quality of ACE small bowel obstruction Squale is like effects of a procedure of a small bowel obstruction obstruction when part of the small intestine is blocked, according to a July 13 autopsy. The report stated her obstruction was quote was quote caused by adhesions, bands of scar tissue that developed after bariatric surgery years ago. It went on to note that quote the issue is a known long term complication of bariatric surgery. common complications that result from untreated small bowel obstruction include dead tissue, because the blockage can cut off blood flow to part of the intestine which can result in a tear or an infection or an infection in the abdominal cavity called peritonitis. According to the Mayo Clinic, Presley had oxycodone and other medications in her book blood but these were only at therapeutic levels, meaning that she wasn't taking enough of these drugs for them to have contributed to her death. The report stated the coroner wrote in the report that the morning of the day that brisley died, she had been experiencing pain in in her abdomen. She complained of this symptom for months prior to her death, the coroner noted along with feeling feverish, feverish, nausea, and vomiting. She died age 54 Jan 1220 23. so tragic. And in that previous episode that I did episode 145. I spoke about her father Elvis Presley and the awful anti fat bias that he experienced. And Elvis is mum has she was a fat woman. And I just I think about that intergenerational trauma, that Auntie fatness has caused that family and you know, Elvis Presley's Mum, what about her her parents? Did she have fat parents? Presumably, there's there's obviously, you know, fatness is just a normal way to have a body and and if your family are fat, then you know, probably you're gonna be fat. And there's nothing wrong with that. Maybe not. But you know, that that trauma that that family have experienced potentially for generations, and also that beautiful shining light and talent. That is they're fighting on, you know, and then and then not. So I want to talk about the comments that people left on my previous post about the other celebrities, and that I had made that post in end of 2022. And so it's been eight months I guess, since then, and so yeah, other people have died. Now Maybe not or maybe I just didn't know about them. So the first one is Shane Warne, a famous Australian cricketer, who was on extreme diets all his life, and who died in March last year due to an extreme extreme dieting affecting his heart is the comment. And so, here's some quotes for you about Shane Warren. And even I knew who Shane Warren was. I didn't hear that news. I guess because I'm not in. I'm in Canada, right. And I'm not reading news about cricket. But cricket is big in the UK, obviously. Okay, so Shane Warne passed away March 4 2022, to leave the whole cricketing fraternity in a state of shock. The 52 year old was in Thailand on a personal trip where he breathed his last and left a huge void in world cricket with his sudden demise. Wayne Warren remains a legend of the gentleman's game with that 1001 International wickets something blah, blah, blah, cricket stuff. According to the brief statement given to Fox News by warns management he died due to a heart attack during his Thailand trip. Quote, Shane was found unresponsive in his villa and despite the best efforts of medical staff he could not be revived the statement read. The family requests privacy at this time and will provide further details in due course it added for the inverse, the 52 year old spin wizard Warren was on an extreme liquid diet in order to lose fat and regain shape. While sharing a picture on Twitter. The Ozzie great had revealed some time sometime back. So he made a Twitter post. And the Post said, quote operation shred has started 10 days in and the goal by July is to get back to this shape from a few years ago. Let's go and quote. According to Warren's manager, James Skene, the Australian was serving a strict 14 Day liquid diet. The diet comprised just liquids and no food. According to reports, the legendary spinner sweated a lot more than usual in the week prior to his sudden departure. Quote, he did go on these ridiculous sorts of diets and he just finished one where he basically only ate fluids for 14 days. And he done these three or four times news.com.au quoted Erskine as saying he added it was a bit all or nothing. It was either white buns with butter and lasagna stuff in the middle. Or would it be having a black and black and green juices? Don't like that food chimp in there? He obviously smoked most of his life. I don't know. I think it was just a massive heart attack. That's what I think has happened. Skien added. Yeah. And so other sources that I was looking at was saying like the effects of a liquid only only diet. It puts really great stress on on your heart. Let me let me quote some of these. Okay, so here's a quote from ABC in Australia. After warns death from a suspected heart attack in Thailand, his manager, blah, blah, blah, exactly what we just said. Nicole bando and accredited dietitian based in Melbourne, said so called quote detox or quote, juice diets were potentially dangerous because they involve the removal of whole food groups, including including important nutrients from a person's diet. Quote, if you do a juice dot diet, it can actually lead to dilution of electrolytes, which are the salts in our blood. These include potassium, which is involved in conducting electricity and therefore the function of the heart. Professor Gary Jennings Chief Health adviser at the Heart Foundation of Australia said such diets introduced the possibility of heart complications. People with underlying conditions such as diabetes, kidney and liver problems are also at severe risk of severe consequences. Professor Jennings added, what can happen with extreme dieting is that if the heart is not bathed in the right mixture of electrolytes and nutritional chemicals, then your heart gets more irritable. So if you were to have a heart attack, it's much more likely to lead to something more serious, such as cardiac arrest. Another issue with extreme diets Ms. bando said is what happens when they end. When you introduce normal foods, you can actually cause a further imbalance of electrolytes, she said referring to a phenomenon as refeeding syndrome. When normal eating is resumed, it can cause the levels of the salts to drop because they're being used in the metabolism of the food. On the extreme end, she said it can lead to heart arrhythmia, irregular heartbeat, as well as seizure, coma and death. less severe symptoms include headaches, fatigue and nausea. Another problem with st extreme diets Ms. mando says what was the myth that they detoxify the body a process our bodies naturally undertake? Anyway, this nutritionist is the best oh my goodness being quoted on ABC. Our body is incredibly, incredibly involved evolved from the skin to the gastrointestinal issue. System to our lungs, kidney knees and liver they all remove various toxins from our bodies whether that comes from food or internal toxins that are byproducts of our metabolism. Yeah. And apparently he was doing it you know throughout his life obviously as you just heard those you just heard me me read so it's a shame like he was saying like getting back into shape like he wasn't saying like, getting you know, he was like, it sounds like when he says get back into shape what I heard was physical appearance versus health right. Okay.

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Dolores O'Riordan, lead singer of the cranberries are Irish band. They did that song. Zombie, zombie, zombie. Hey, what's in your head? In your head? zombie? Zombie zombie? Oh, anyway, I've stopped singing. That's one of my go to karaoke songs. People say Vinnie, how do you do some yodeling um, and I just do it anyway. Dolores O'Riordan. Someone commented I could be wrong, but it was well known. She struggled with an eating disorder. I'm sure it contributed to her death, if not their entire reason. She was 46 years old. Okay, so here's the quote that's going to come up with talking about MSA come back in 30 seconds, it will be over. Okay, so quotes about from about Dolores. Quote for four years when I was a little girl I was sexually abused. I was only a kid Egon claims. A Reardon told him in 2013. That's what happened. She continued. You think it's your own fault I buried it. It is what you do. Initially you bury it because you're ashamed of it. You think oh my god, how horrible and disgusting I am. You have this terrible self loathing. And then I got famous when I was 18. And my career took over. It was even harder then. So I developed anorexia. When I Googled anorexia and studied it, I found that it was a common pathology that develops later on in life. So I was putting on the sharar this perfect face. I had anorexia then depression, a breakdown. I knew I hated myself. I knew why I loved myself. I knew why I wanted to make myself disappear. It was something that I noticed manifested itself in my behavior and the pathologies I began to develop in my early adult life such as my eating disorder, depression, and eventually the breakdowns. I think I'm getting stronger for sure, but I'll always be a bit of a train wreck. Nobody's perfect. Those people who pretend they are perfect, aren't perfect. And then she continues. I'm Dolores. I'm pretty good some but sometimes I hit the bottle. Everything is way worse. And next morning, I changed smoke when I drink. I have a bad day and when I have bad memories, and I can't control them, I hit the bottle. I kind of binge drink. That is the kind of that is kind of my biggest flaw at that moment. On Monday, January 15 2018, police were called to a hotel in Park Lane in London, where a readin was pronounced dead at the same. Death was confirmed by a publicist and a statement shortly after Irish international singer has died suddenly in London today. She was 46 year old. I think she died from an overdose that also the the me official cause of death was drowning. caused by alcohol intoxication, alcohol intoxication and drowning. It's a shame because I remember reading was a shame full stop. Also, she was in London to record some new music. I think from what I remember reading when she died. So I mean, something like that. It's kind of is you know what's what was going on? Can we clearly say that Dolores O'Riordan from the cranberries died because of diet culture, anti fatness, I think it's, it's a contributing reason, right. And a lot of times people who have restrictive eating disorders using using drugs or using alcohol, so you know, it I feel like this one's not as clear cut because of you know, as well the trauma that she experienced when she was younger. But I think it sounds like it had a contributing factor towards it. Yeah. Because Because Because Because Because Because just the act of not having enough food really, really fucks with our bodies, right? It means that we're our bodies. It's like food is is helping provide the building blocks for us to be robust humans and I feel like it's a house that's built from bricks or a house. It's built from straw and the less the less food that you have, the less ability that you have to continue living and weather the storm. was right and so if your house is built of straw, then you're more likely to get sick and you're more likely to feel the effects of, of alcohol and not be able to recover when when things happen. So, you know, like with the cricketer saying, it makes you more prone to not being able to recover from from a heart attack. And I feel like with with not eating enough, and dieting and having an eating disorder, it's the same type of thing like and that's, you know, a lot of times that's what happens when someone does have anorexia is that you know, the heart is weakened and they and they could get a you know, pneumonia or something and then and then die. Okay, so someone else commented, add Brittany Murphy to that list, for sure. Anorexia leading to her immune system being weak, and just what I just said, and never have enough for her to have to have a community acquired pneumonia, which is really, really rare and young people. So here's some quotes from an article from the cut. Sounds like there's a new document new documentary coming out. Well, that was in 2020 2021. But the whole Brittany Murphy thing is is weird, right? There's lots of things going on her she had a controlling husband and her mom was like, in there too. And there was you know, there was weird stuff going on. So let me give you some quotes from here in 1999. Murphy Murphy, already a rising star started visibly losing weight and dyeing her hair blonde. Kathy Najimy of her king of the hill co star, her king of the hill co starred recalls Murphy saying, that's what I've been told if I want to be considered leading lady I have to lose a lot of weight. Now people who were my age, she was in not Legally Blonde. Clueless. She was in clueless. Do you remember like, if you're the same age as me, I'm 38 Watching clueless and being in my head. In my head. She was fat. She was not fat. I'm gonna make a post soon of all the people that were that IN THE 90s IN THE naughties. We were like, oh my god, they're so fat and they are not fat. So anyway, yeah, they're saying she needs to lose a lot of weight. She was ever so slightly soft. You know, like, just still growing like that's, that's the the, you know, still, you know, under the age of 25. You know, that type of thing. So, yeah. So continuing, Murphy was somewhat open about her transformation, though. She adamantly denied having an eating disorder. So she'd lost a lot of weight. In 2000. She told interview an interview, I guess ism magazine or something. A very important person in Hollywood said I was huggable but not fuckable. So I got these extensions put in my head that made a big difference. You know, that person in Hollywood. She is huggable and fuckable. She was and she did put more parts including her role alongside Ashton Kutcher in just married. HBOs documentary includes a recording of the Howard Stern Show from shortly after the CO stars began dating in which turn can be her telling Kutcher. Can you believe she was the ugly chicken clueless, she was a fat, ugly chick, She transformed herself. And I'm just looking at pictures from just married. So just married was in 2003, clueless was 1995 So it was eight years later, she clearly she's tiny and then just married. I know she looks the same to me. Oh, no. She just has blonde hair and include us. She has brown hair. I don't I don't know. I guess she dated Ashton Kutcher in, in real life. And that Howard Stern. He proceeded to tell Kutcher that Murphy looked like she had, quote, been around the block a few times, and that he quote, better wear a condom if she'd been with Eminem, of course appraised for Murphy's extreme weight loss soon turned to talk of an eating disorder without much regard for her actual health. Bruce Bibi, a journalist who wrote for IE under the pseudonym Ted Casablanca, said in the documentary that, quote, she was going around with a scarlet a on her body for anorexia. Everyone knew it. Everyone talked about it. According to Nat NAT Jimmy's account, Murphy was at a low point when monk mon Monjack entered her life in 2007. So Monjack was her soon to be husband, two years before she died. It's not clear if she was yet abusing prescription pills but the room has her started and the press had become fixated on her weight loss. She was quote, muddled and desperate, in a dramatic, nudging me says, and, quote, became prey to things that she thought would help her. She fired her entire team when they express concerned about about Monjack. In stating him as her agent, manager, lawyer and eventually even makeup artist. He took over her financial decisions and drove her everywhere. Friends say she changed her phone numbers making it impossible for anyone to reach her without going through her husband

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and then continuing after they left the set of the color. So Monjack would go with her to film sets. So after the left that left the set of the color, which is filming in Puerto Rico, Murphy, her mother and Monjack all came down with what they called flu like symptoms. According to the coroner, they treated themselves with over the counter medications and when Murphy's conditions didn't improve, no one took her to get medical attention attention shortly before she died. She spoke with Monjack mother on the phone telling her I'm having trouble breathing. I can't breathe. When I go to the top of the stairs, she said Do you think I'm dying? The medical examiner who did her autopsy found that Murphy was already extremely anemic, a result of not getting enough nutrients which lowered her resistance to illness. If any doctor had seen her hemoglobin levels a week or two she died. According to the M E Medical Examiner, she would have been hospitalized at some point she developed pneumonia which could have been easily detected by a chest X ray and treated at hospital. According to the coroner, had they taken her to the doctor a few days before she died. she'd still be alive. Brittany Murphy died December 20 2009. Age 32 Okay, the next comment someone said Judy Garland comes to mind. She was known to have a long history of heavy disordered eating and dieting. And while she died of an accidental overdose, there was speculation that her prolonged eating disorder contributed to her death as well. I think I remember hearing they pushed her into taking drugs to control her weight too. It definitely caused her substance addiction addiction. Okay, some so some quotes. Judy Garland was 16 when she starred in her breakout role. 1939 is the Wizard of Oz at just four feet 11 and a half inches Garlan had a cute girl next door charm helped set her apart from her glamorous contemporaries like Elizabeth Taylor and Ava Gardner. But with success would come the need to maintain her youthful looks and thin frame pressures from Hollywood studio MGM that would feel the legendary songstresses drug abuse and eventually led to her death. Now more than four decades after her accidental drug overdose took her life at age 47. A new memoir about the late star pulls back the curtain on Garland's demons. The book Judy and I my life with Judy Garland is crafted from notes that said left the third of Garland's five husbands left unfinished before his 2005 death. But Garland's drug habit was believed to be an effort to numb her inner security's, particularly regarding her weight. Told by studio executives she had to watch her figure, she would go to extremes to lose any extra pounds. When she was filming 1950s summer stock for example, Luft said she stopped eating altogether. She was also reportedly just I don't want to say how much she weighs. She was also reportedly thin, while making 1940 threes presenting Lily Mars loved wrote that her entire life had been dominated by the constant pressure to be quote, camera slim, quote, most of her teen and adult life she had been on either Benzedrine or a diet or both, he wrote, explaining how garland attempted to manage her weight, a marriage her weight. Unlike other actresses, she could not successfully camouflage X ray but especially because she was dancing and singing and revealing costumes. Just four feet 11 and a half inches she could be underweight and still appear heavy or out of proportion on screen. Garland's love of food didn't help Luft detailed her fondness for Hearty meals chowing down on comfort foods like spaghetti and eventually alcohol. Notice how notice how they're saying, oh my goodness, she was dieting and you know, is precious to be thin. And then using stigmatizing language, for saying that she ate food fondness for Hearty meals. Ciao chowing down on comfort foods. Like I mean, get shouldn't get a break like In this article is saying did dieting kill her? And when they say that she ate because this is the this is the this is not love to the husband this is the reporter's words even now we're saying horrible when she did he was eating fucking rich and now you know like Jesus Christ your self awareness much reporter Okay continuing hoping to help garland revive her career loved wrote that he tried to encourage her to watch what she ate fuck you laughed at time she listened but other times it became a point of contention between the two yeah fuck off Allah Jesus like love to seen her being you know in this terrible situation and then he's the knees saying you need to lose weight feel better if I ate oats and hay she allegedly shot back at him once when he suggested she in apple instead of spaghetti yeah fuck you loved good for you Judy feel better if I hoped and oats and hey that's a that's that's a comeback I mean Oh, she's she's getting it from all sides and then her person that she's meant to be, you know safe where they're saying eat an apple instead of food a meal. At one point he told her quote you must cut out all the hot fudge sundaes. You will door no more cheeseburgers. Blood rare forget heaps of mashed potatoes and gravy. No more Fettuccine Alfredo, he wrote. Oh my god, Judy was staring at me with a huge saucer eyes. No Alfredo, she echoed. I might not be able to go on. Yeah, yeah, you tell him Judy. Fine rude. Adding to the pressure surrounding food the press often grilled garland about her weight in an interview in 1951 last wrote that she told reporters I may be awfully flat fat but I feel good. She was actually pregnant and would like to have an abortion. Oh my god, Judy Garland sounds amazing. The I mean she's basically saying telling everyone to fuck off right. Lofton garland, who married in 1952 we're living quote virtually separate lives a decade later. He said the constant struggle to diet caused her to descend further and drove them further apart. Well maybe loved if you didn't fucking encourage her to have an eating disorder. He said if I were to show concern, she broke me out. Tell me to fuck off. He wrote. Yeah, good. Good. Yeah, I mean, like this show concern. One minute, he's like eat an apple and the next minute it's like, oh, maybe you should eat something. OFAC off. Yeah, fuck off. You tell her you tell him Judy. Despite having two children together, Lorna and Joey laughed. They divorced in 1965. A year later, she was completely broke her new managers having embezzled large sums from her she died in 1969. From an accidental overdose. She couldn't have weighed more than a low amount of weight he wrote she was totally burned out destroyed. I couldn't save her. Yeah, couldn't save her. You fucking the one that hurt her. Not the only one. But you know what, that that juxtaposition between Oh, loose way and Oh, but don't lose too much weight and, you know, don't be fat. But don't be don't be obsessed with being thin. You know, it's kind of like can't and that's what where we're at in society, right? of people are not everyone but a lot of people being like, you know, it's okay to be it's okay to be a little bit chubby mirboo. But you have to think about the health. You know, it's kind of like ah, can't you see how that's not helping? Okay, so Terry. She Arvo. So this is an older case. And I wasn't aware of this because it happened in North America. And it happened in the US and it was before my time. But basically, Terri she Arvo was someone she was famous after. She wasn't famous because before she was famous after she was dieting she fell in. She fell into a coma. And she was in a coma for 20 years. So at the age of like 20. She was in a coma for 20 years and her husband wanted to turn to stop. She was comatose, non responsive and doctor said that she would never recover. It'd been 20 years and they said they know her brain was was really small. And there was no activity. And so it was a famous court case of her husband wanted to let her die and her parents said that she wouldn't have wanted that. Eventually, a judge ruled that she was allowed to die at her husband's wishes, and she was then starve to death, which I mean,

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horrific. Anyway. So, some quotes about this. Beneath all the controversy surrounding the Terri Schiavo case, is an important detail about what brought on her condition in the first place. Complications from an eating disorder that caused heart failure, and lead to severe brain damage should actually have those cases tragic for innumerable reasons, but it should also serve as a wake up call that eating disorders can have have serious sometimes fatal consequences. Robert Buzzell NBC News's chief science correspondent explain explains the dangers of eating disorders and why she always case should be a cautionary tale for many. How is it that an eating disorder can lead to heart failure? And in the extreme case of Chavo, a vegetative state? I don't know if vegetative state is the correct words that we should be using nowadays, that seems pretty not accurate. You know, because it's kind of dehumanizing, saying vegetable, you know, is someone who is non responsive is still a human, right? They're not they've not turned anyway. I don't know about that. But I don't like that. Okay, well, fortunately, it is very rare thing that can happen. But when people have bulimia, which is what Terry Chavo is reported to have people eat large amounts and then purge themselves by either vomiting or using laxatives extensively, extensively. Bulimia can cause a sudden dehydration of the body that causes an imbalance of electrolytes, and particularly potassium. When that happens, it can cause irregularities in the electrical signal. So it could cause a heart to stop beating. That is reportedly what happened to Terry Chavo. She died in 1995. And was 41 years old. Yeah. Oh, um, you know, by the way, I said, Oh, isn't that horrible that they she died by they stopped, they stopped feeding her. What I mean by that is that, Isn't it a shame that we don't have in most of places in the world? Legal euthanasia. So how, you know, she could have been given an injection and, and died peacefully. Whereas because of legislation about that, in most places in the world, she had to die slowly, which seems cruel. I don't know, you know, someone is is. And I know, that's probably the decision that many people have to make. Right. And I'm not saying it's a wrong decision, but it seems, wouldn't have been wouldn't be nicer for everyone. If, instead of having to make that decision, someone could just be given an injection and die quickly and peacefully. Yeah. And it's tough, right? Because obviously, she's unresponsive. And but how much would she be aware of, if anything, and I think this case was like, basically, she's not aware of anything. And but it was quite controversial. So you know, I don't know all the details. Yeah. And happened in 1995. So maybe if this happened today, it might be different. Who knows? And I wonder, like, if the parents wanted to her to be alive, why wouldn't the husband just be like, hey, parents, you can, you know, look after her, or was the husband like, Oh, I know that this is what she wanted. Who knows? Who knows? Anyway? Some people might be like, I'm gonna do some watching YouTube about this as I want to know more like, a lot of these things. I'm like, oh, I need to know more about this. Okay, someone else said Roy Orbison died at 52 literally from yo yo dieting. So Roy Orbison saying pretty woman walking down the street pretty woman. That kind of how I like to move. Next girl, my kind of girl I like to me and others, so other songs Pretty Woman singer Roy Orbison wasn't one for drugs or alcohol during his 30 year career. Yet a TV documentary is claiming the 1960s star famed for such hits as only the lonely and crying I don't know any of the lonely crying is it cry Nover you something like that? Had a different kind of dangerous addiction. Yo Yo dieting. FYI. Dieting is not an addiction. It's you know, a lot of people are like, I'm addicted to this and that and whatever. And it's not actually addiction, right. The singer and songwriter died at the age of 52, following a heart attack while visiting his mother, the mother in Hendersonville, Tennessee. American pathologist Dr. Michael Hunter claims the reason behind the rock and roll icons death was due to an unhealthy obsession with his diet, the cycle will have substantial weight gain followed by drastic weight loss would have undoubtedly placed tremendous strain on his heart Dr. Hunter reveals in a new episode of autopsy, the last hours of which is due to be aired in the UK later this year. Yeah, yeah. And we already know that that weight cycling yo yo dieting, which is just basically dieting is not good for our health. Yeah. Okay, so someone says I sometimes wonder about Prince. There were early interviews where he talks about staying thin in our alarming way. Okay, so with Prince there was his personal chef leaked kind of like what was his final meal, that type of stuff and, and but I wasn't able to find stuff about him talking about staying thin, probably because if it was in early interviews, that would just be like, late classes, health advice, or whatever. But I'm sure if I did a bit more digging, I'd find it but here's what the enemy has reported. Prince was eating less and losing weight towards the end of his life. The musicians personal shift has revealed Ray Roberts worked for Prince for the last three years and cooked all of his meals at his Paisley Park home, as well as joining him on tour. Speaking to The Associated Press. Roberts confirmed that he noticed a change in Prince's diet in his final weeks and added that his boss was regularly ill to it felt like he wasn't himself. Probably the last month or two Robert said. I think he was just struggling with being sick a lot. The chef added that Prince would have sore throats or seem that he wasn't feeling well for quote weeks at a time this year. His regular diet of roasted beetroot and spicy soups changed as he started drinking smoothies and fresh juices to soothe his throat and stomach. Notice how both of those things are not proper meals. Roasted beetroot is not a meal soup is not a meal right? Need to be having more and so normally he's just he's not eating enough right? Roberts cook for prints the evening before the musician was found dead at his home I mean soup if it was like super hearty and had loads of things in it and you know you had like bread and stuff that you know, of course you would eat sometimes you'd eat soup for lunch or whatever but you know if that's all you're eating, then that's not enough right. Rob has cooked for Prince the evening before the musician was found dead at his home however the roasted red pepper bisque with kale and spring vegetable salad went and eaten. So this is not enough. This is not enough food. roasted red pepper best best is soup right? With kale and spring vegetable salad. So soup and salad. You missing something from this you need, you know, a sandwich in there at least. The Cook said that he found a plate of food in Prince's fridge when he returned to the property following news of his death. Prince died April 27th 2021 21/21 2016 H 57. So I mean, inconclusive. And as well, you know, by the way, a lot of times people could be dying from not eating enough food and it could be just reported as natural causes. For example, Lisa Marie Presley, a lot of news outlets were just saying that she died of natural causes she they didn't mention anything to do with bariatric surgery. So, you know, I think the awareness now is bringing this stuff to light but

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yeah, my what's her name? What's her name from the Mamas and the Papas Casserly Mama Cass and I think they said that she died of natural causes, but she, she, and then the press was like, she died choking on a ham sandwich, which is a lie. That didn't happen. But she was taking tons of diet pills. So, I mean, at that time, I can't remember when she died, probably the 70s or 80s or whatever. But, you know, the press would not would not be like Auntie fatness killed Mama Cass instead, they made a joke about it, saying that she you know, and that was like an urban legend that went around so I'm not sure if mainstream press will reporting that I probably okay, next person said led Krieger, Korea Krieger. He went on crash diet so that he could get leading men roles instead of being the villain. He died after undergoing weight loss surgery 31 years old. Okay, so so we've got mixed reports on this the so the crash diet that Krieger followed for his roles and The Lodger and the high end hang over square, which included prescribe amphetamines play strain on his system, resulting in severe abdominal problems. He underwent surgery at the beginning of December 1944. Okay, so we have reports he goes undergo surgery because weight loss drugs, of course caused him abdominal problems. All right, we don't know what the surgery is. According to TCM host, Eddie Mueller is January 2023 Post film comments on hangover square. The procedure was bariatric surgery, intended to control his weight. Mueller's source, however, was a website with fictional stories told in the first person by dead people, including Krieger. The fictional story also suggested that Krieger was gay and was involved in a murder. In fact, the first weight loss surgery was performed in 1954 10 years after Kriegers death. Okay, so, so there seems to be some like false reports. So he died in 1944. I just reported on the first bariatric surgery, actually, let's see. When was that? Let's just double check what they say in 1954. Yeah, the weight loss first weight loss surgery. However, however, there could have been surgeries that weren't officially labeled bariatric surgeries. That could be something in the region of it, you know, or he had this surgery caused by dieting diet pills, right? The surgery and it says a few days after the surgery, he had a heart attack and died. So that sounds like he died from the surgery. The surgery was because of complications from taking amphetamines to lose weight. So I feel like there's partial truth there. We don't know. And also we can't say for sure if it's the surgery that did kill him. But he was only 31 years old. Also, he you know, he wasn't we didn't seem to me like he was a fat person. So not that that's got really anything to do with anything. I don't know. I said that. I guess what I was saying is that, you know, people could say well, he died because of fatness and we know that you know, people don't die from fatness they die from things associated with fatness which is caused by a variety of things, mostly anti fat bias. But could he be have been suffering from anti fat bias? Yes 100% You know, he's that sounds like he wanted to you know, have these roles we've not playing the victim. So, he died. He rallied briefly after his heart attack when he was putting in oxygen tent but died December 9 9044. H 31. His mother was at his bedside hangover Square was released two months after his death. Okay, someone else said Canada's I think Canada's beloved actor and comedian John Candy could be added to this list. Yeah, John Candy love him. The best wasn't the amazing Okay, so quotes candies father died, died of heart disease into at 35 years old. His brother suffered a heart attack as well. With his family history looming over him candy, went on diets and worked with trainers to attempt to get in better shape. Quote, I know what I have to do. If I want to lose weight and stay healthy, eat a proper diet and exercise. He said in 1948 1994. All I've got to do is apply it. At one point it seemed to be working candy went on, on so called Pritikin diet, losing a large amount of weight in a summer. He always worked on his weight and his health said son Chris, his son Chris would say after his death, he had trainers and would work at whatever the new diet was. I know he did the his best. So let's see what the frickin diet is. And so again, he's losing a lot of weight over a short amount of time. Like I hate googling this stuff. It's just seems like you know, a diet doesn't seem like well, you're not allowed a lot of things. So plant based diet, basically mean any diet is bullshit, but it didn't sound like it was like some extreme thing. So he died on the fourth of March 1994 At the age of 43. The star had been working on his film Wagons East in Mexico when he suffered a fatal heart attack. Sounds like he has a massive genetic predisposition to issues with his heart. So Who knows, right? Who knows? Who knows if it's a case of you know, he's doing all these these diets to lose a lot of weight and I mean, losing I don't want to say how much he lost but the extreme that is an extreme diet, like what that could be doing to his predisposition for surviving a heart attack with his brother survived one. Could it be that if he wasn't dieting that he could have survived this heart attack? Who knows? Right kind of speculation. All right, Aaron Carter. So Aaron Carter was the brother of one of the Backstreet Boys. And if you're my age, he was famous when we were young. So Aaron Carter is opening up about his health. The singer posted a string of tweets, detailing his struggle with hiatal hernia, which he called, quote, a terrible stress conditions that affects me having an appetite and, quote an eating disorder. By the way, y'all want to know why I'm so skinny Carter wrote in his first tweet on the subject is because at 19, I was diagnosed with hiatal hernia, I didn't choose that be kind to me. According to the Mayo Clinic's online database, a hiatal hernia occurs when part of the stomach pushes upwards into the diaphragm, often causing heartburn and other symptoms including feeling especially full after meals. So to visualize it, so imagine the stomach and then imagine, you know, the, the the tube going into the stomach, but the tube has like a tennis ball at the top of it, and so it's like a protrusion above where the stomach is. So presumably you'd eat something and it would go into that smaller pocket and that you would feel full and then obviously, that would feel uncomfortable because it's outside of where the stomach is. Okay, so continuing, I'm sorry, sometimes I really wish I did look better or eat more like y'all say, this life doesn't come with much stability, Carter continued. If you don't believe me as my brother, he was there when I was 19. diagnosed. It's a stress eating disorder. I'm sorry, I didn't choose this. I was curious about him saying it's a stress eating disorder. i What does he mean by that? Like he can't eat he couldn't eat as much because of this thing. Would it be classed as an eating disorder as a mental mental illness? Well, hiatal hernia can be caused after excessive induced vomiting. So perhaps some something like that was going on? I don't know. Or not? I don't know. Okay, so, November 5 2022. Carter died at his home in Lancaster, California at age 34. His body was found in his bathtub by housekeeper. An autopsy performed a book to the cause of death deferred pending toxicology report. He had a twin sister called Angel. That's a shame. On April 20, April 18 2023, the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner coroner announced that Carter drowned after inhaling. I won't read the drug names, because they're long but he he inhaled, you know, gas from spray bottle things. And then another drug. So his death was accidental, according to official ruling. So I don't know. I don't know where that one. There's no clear evidence that he had an IDI he was small. He was small, right? He couldn't who had a smaller body. But there could be something there.

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I don't know. Yeah, so he died in 2022. H 34. Okay, someone else said Scotty singer Lina is everone. Her tail is equally tragic anorexia story story. So Lina is everone was a Scottish singer and a television show host at 10 years of age with her album, ma he's making eyes at me. That's so creepy. Ma he's making eyes at me and she was 10 years old. Like a romantic song. That's creepy as fuck man. She was the youngest person in history to have an album and the top 10 UK album charts and then we have this article talking about the mum is saying the mum says I noticed her getting very thin and look and took her to the doctor says xever Only the mum. I noticed I know about anorexia now because I made it my business to but then you'd never heard the name. The doctor said your daughter has this psychological illness. She was at the Italia Conti performing arts school then and they were all on diets. Their goals are good ELS and don't like to get to fat. We're all like that. But then it got extreme. Isn't that interesting, right, the mummy saying girls or girls will be girls. They don't want to get fat. By the way, the mums fat. Were like that, but then it just got extreme it goes into the mind her not eating was a never ending battle is a very difficult illness for the person and for the people around them. The only thing Lina ever complained about was her illness. It was a torment to her she'd say, as its she'd say it is as if I'm living in a tunnel. So from the age of 13, she had anorexia and also developed clinical press depression when she was 15. Following a, an operation to cure her depression. She died from pneumonia age 35 in 1999. The details around this operation are sketchy. But I saw the word look bottom me thrown around in the Wikipedia article. I thought the bottom is were made illegal like a long time ago. Let me let me see it unless there's like some other like, version of it like an operation to for her depression. The bottom me? Yeah, lobotomy became popular in 1930s. Maybe people still do it, but didn't seem to be an ND Oh, it's banned. Okay. It's banned. So wandering the planet. The Soviet Union banned it in 1950. By 1970s, numerous countries had banned the procedure, as had several US states. So if by 1970s, it was banned, then. Why words? Interesting. We'll have to look more. We'll have to look more into that. And what this what this surgery is, maybe it's like lobotomy type, but it's not an actual lobotomy. Okay, so this is what this is what the Wikipedia article says. In September 1999, Zamboni was admitted to the University of hospital Wales and Cardiff before the psycho surgical operation. They say the operation but they've not mentioned that operation before, so I'm guessing it should be a psycho surgical operation. It took place on the seventh of September and was described as quote, pioneering. After the operation, she appeared to be in a satisfactory condition and after a week she was quote, making telephone calls cheerful and engaging in conversation, even asking her doctor if she thought there were any chance that she could get back on stage and sing again. However, three, three weeks after the operation, she contracted pneumonia, which saw her weight drop, and she died from bronchial pneumonia on the first of October, although some reports said that the surgery was a lobotomy, also known as a loose cut to me. The hospital said that it was not and the treatment was intended for depression rather than anorexia as was rumored at the time. I'm not interesting. So I wonder what that one but what the fuck that was that was in 1999. Something like 20 ish years ago, we'll be doing a lobotomy in Wales. Where yodels Okay, the last one Maria calles Maria calles all these people who were saying is she was an opera singer. Quote, when she lost an incredible photo. Not gonna say when she lost lots of weight in one year Maria callus transformed herself from this is an article written recently. So stigmatizing she's transformed herself from fat and dowdy. Into spelt as into a spelt an elegant diva. I roll the pressure to say thing was tremendous for the food loving soprano. Again, again, with the shaming, like classifying someone as as food loving, as if that's a bad thing. We're all food loving. We're humans we eat food Jesus Christ, newly published newly published personal papers so show how she tried to comfort herself during her tormented battle battles with her weight. I mean, like this, I mean, again, the sentence before they saying that She transformed herself from fat and dowdy to smelt, inelegant, and the next week next sentence Oh, she's tormented with battles with a wait. Well, because people like you have written shit like that. And then that's now imagine if it was when she was around way more cruel. Okay, so Candace began a habit have meticulously recipe collecting scribbling down instructions for her favorite dishes. As she traveled the world. She would steal recipes from famous cooks in hotels, writing them and scraps of paper and stuffing them into her handbag but the they were for food she herself would never eat. She loved food, especially cakes and puddings, but lived mostly on steak and salad, said calles expert Bruno Tosi, who was allowing their handwritten recipe recipes to be published for the first time in Italy. Writing down these recipes was a vicarious pleasure because she rarely allowed herself to taste any of them. It goes on to talk about how she would have dinner parties and stuff and get the recipes made by her chefs but she wouldn't eat any of it. calluses international career began in 1947 opera singers were expected to be fat. Oh, really? I haven't heard that one before the upper swimmers were expected to be fat in 1947. Is that true? I'm gonna put a pin in that with Uh huh. They don't use the word fat by the way, but I'm not gonna say how much you weighed. But at a book being fat she felt miserable and regarded set herself as ugly and unlovable. When the director Luchino Visconti told her to lose loads of weight. Before he would work with her she dropped even more weight than he told her. She then went on to lose even more weight according to legend, calluses enormous weight, or for fuck sake. Oh, enormous weight loss. Sorry. enormous weight loss. Okay. Good luck and now. According to legend, calluses enormous weight loss came about because she deliberately swallowed a tapeworm. Tosi, president of the International Maria callus Association says she did have to have treatment for worms possibly because of a fondness for raw steak, but she dropped the weight by following diet based on consuming ideen. It was a dangerous treatment because it affected the central nervous system and changed her metabolism. But she turned into a beautiful swan said Tosi. Oh mean my God, she's eating ideen. It affected her central nervous system changed her metabolism, but felt that she became she turned to a beautiful swan. Oh, for fucks sake. I mean, no wonder people struggled when. That's how people talk talked about them knowing that they suffered tremendously, even after they're dead. Oh my god. Anyway, Kara spent her last years living in Nigeria in isolation in Paris and died of a heart attack age 53 September 16 1977. So she was married to her what's his name? annacis. Horatio and asas someone shouted me like now it's this analysis Alberto and Googler who went on who left her for Jackie Onassis Jackie Kennedy, who turned into annacis. So she was really heartbroken from that. And he was like a shipping magnate Aristotle. I knew it was some I knew it was a name. I know it's some name like that. Aristotle looks like that. Looks like he was with Jackie Onassis from 1968 to 1975 He died in 1975 wonderful happy to happen to Jackie Onassis died in 1994 it see how the how you can go into frickin rabbit holes with this you'd like oh, let me see about Jackie Onassis Jackie Kennedy.

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Had she die? What about John F Kennedy? What about this one? What about his assassination? What about the gunman? What about this other murder he likes? I think that I think she had to she had non on non Hodgkins lymphoma. She died aged 64 Anyway, we're not talking about Jackie Onassis Jackie Kennedy. Yeah, so so so yeah, so so so so so so so so that's the end of all of the people that things that people suggested and you might be like, hang on, you're missing a load of other famous people because they were in the first episode but I'm gonna make this into a an Instagram post and put it on there. So if you've got others that you like, what about this one? What about that one? We can we can look into that if there's lots of other people suggested. And I mean, shit. This is all fucked up. Isn't it? Isn't this horrible? I hate this. I was just, I find it like especially with the mum, the mum of the Scottish singer. Being like, you know girls will be girls. We all don't want to be fat, like, how erial like, how it's just so accepted, you know? Weird, right? Weird and alarming. It's alarming, you know. And everyone, thank you for hanging out with me today. If you want to see the first post that I posted, I'll leave a link in the bio with the other ones. Not not all, not all of them, because some of them it's like, in the last episode, some of them it's like, oh, yeah, clearly they died of they died because of anti fat bite is because someone said, You're told that you're too fat, you need to lose weight, and then they developed an eating disorder. Some of these are kind of like, I mean, Lisa Marie Presley. Yes. 100%. Shane warm. Yes. You know, Brittany Murphy, I'd say that's a that's a strong kind of like, sounds like her body was really weak. Because you didn't have enough food. Terry's Chavo Yes. Royal was on Yes. LED Krieger. Yes, yeah, I mean, so. Yeah. You know, there's a few weeks like, I'm not sure. leaners rivers of Verona. Yeah. So anyway, okay, so thanks for hanging out I'm gonna stop talking I'm gonna go make some lunch suppose because I'm hungry, especially talking about all of this stuff. Oh, yeah. And if you'd like to show you want to contribute towards me continue making the show go to Kofi and depending on the level, you sign up for as little as $5 you can get free shirts, so go check that out. Remember to stay face ratty and I will see you in a while alligator.

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