👅 Tasty Strains, Using Plants for Ferments, and Funky Fungi, with WeedShouldTasteGood

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Greetings growers worldwide at Jordan River here back with more grow cast podcast, tasting good as always. Today we have miles from Weed should taste good here on the podcast. He's back again. I know you guys love these episodes with miles, and this is a really good one. We talk about his work in ferments. We talk about his greeting work quite a bit, some upcoming classes and events that we're gonna be involved in. Keep your eyes peeled. Everybody I know, miles is a fan favorite. I know you're gonna love this episode, but before we jump into it with Miles, shout out to AC infinity. That's right, AC infinity.com. Code grow, cast one five to get you the biggest savings on all of the items you can find there. And there are an amazing amount of grow items you can find there. They've got the Grow kits, which I love, which comes with everything you need to grow. So throw another little two by two for a propagation tent in your setup. Throw a little three by three or four by four. Get that perpetual going. It's so easy when you just buy a kit and use code grow cast one five plus. They've got everything else you need, from ratchets and hangers to lights, fans, tents, pots, scissors, sleeves. They've got the new TerraForm, which is an AC and humidifying and dehumidifying combination unit. Really, really cool stuff. Over at AC infinity.com, and you can use code growcast One five to know you're getting the biggest savings. Tell them we sent you. It helps us out, saves you money, and we appreciate AC infinity. So much here at growcast. Check it out. Everybody that's AC infinity.com. Code, grow cast, one, five, and thank you to ACI. All right, let's get into it with weed. Should taste good. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners who are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show. Turn a grower on to grow cast. It's free. You can find us on Spotify, on YouTube everywhere, and make sure you're helping us on our mission of overgrow by getting some new smokers to grow. It's the best way you can help us stay subscribed. Go to grow cast podcast.com, see where we're at. We got the events up there, the classes up there, the seeds up there. It's all waiting for you. Thank you so much to the members who make this community and this show possible. I appreciate you out there. All right, everyone, we're back. It's grow cast podcast. Here today, we are with a good friend of mine. It's been a while since he's been on the show. Good friend of the show as well. Show as well. He is a breeder. He's a plant ferment expert, I dare say, an organic gardener, and so much more miles from Weed should taste good is on the line with us. What's up? Miles. How you doing?

Oh, doing great. Thank you, Jordan. Man, I love it. Love being on the show. Love what you do.

Hell yeah, man, thank you for coming back on. I'm going to be headed out to Denver later this month. Had to postpone some of the traveling we were planning on doing, so I was going through some health stuff, but I'm feeling so much better. Man, really good to see those Rocky Mountain gromies when I can. We'll have to make sure we meet up when I'm out there. But yeah, man, what have you been up to talk to me about what you've been working on? It's probably been like a year since you've been on the show. What have you been up to? My friend?

So much? Oh, man, yeah. A lot of travel, a lot of traveling, and trying to bring the energy and the like, kind of the essence of the scene, of what we both do, the community element, directly to the people in their region. I've been throwing little classes, little events, sessions, pop ups, whatever you want to call them. They kind of combine community education, where we can all learn from each other and have an insular like a sounding board for each other, where we can share ideas and concepts, learn new things and and also just share what we do, like bring our herb, bring our flower, our hash, our edibles, whatever we do and trade, whatever, however, the transactional nature of things happens. But I really enjoyed, like, Y'all was up in your reach up in Chicago for a little event. I really had a great time. Me and port old Nick threw a great thing in New York recently, I did the builder soil we're doing build a soil event. So I really focused in the last year a lot on, like, bringing what I do, the clothing, the ferments, the education, the mushroom stuff, everything directly to the people where they're at. Because I love to travel. I love to connect with people. I love being in a scene where where we all recognize each other as you know, valuable and essential to like learning and to the progression of what we're all doing together. So that's kind of been where my focus has been. But in the course of all that, I've been maintaining the closing line and adding some new new articles and new new designs to the closing line, making ferments and making sure the distribution for them smells flows smoothly. And I'm making some new fertilizer ferment products and new flavors I like to call them, even though we don't drink them. Yeah. So, so I've been just keeping everything afloat and keeping everything going, but expanding it to really, like, really bring it right into people's world, and bring what we do, what the essence of our community, vibe and energy, the good vibes we do, directly to the people and kind of imprinting on people like the not just the information and the and the products, but also the energy. And saying, like, it's a family thing. It's a love thing. It's a like. Open Source. It's about sharing what you know and how you got to where you're at with everybody. It's not about gatekeeping the knowledge and holding back. It's really about bringing it to each other and sharing. And I love coming back together. We give it to each other, we go out, we experiment, and we come back to this, to the community, with what we learn and what we have found through our experiments. And that's that's really where the power is at, um, you know, for the future, that's what I feel like we all got to be on the same level with that, those basics. Oh, that's

cool, man. Well, I'm glad you're hitting the road. I love to see those types of events. I can't wait to make it to the build a soil event, just really quickly, before we get into all the topics and stuff. Don't you have one coming up here at the beginning of

November? Yes, every it's the second one we threw it last year of out here in in western Colorado, most people don't get out here to this side of the state. They go to Denver. They see the city, maybe do a Red Rock Show, maybe, maybe get up in the mountains, do some skiing, some hiking. But very rarely do people make it over to the western side of Colorado, which is really unique, canyons, lots of farms, lots of agriculture, lots of ganja growers. So yeah, we're gonna throw the event November 2 and third at the build of soil store on Saturday, November 2 and then Sunday, November 3 is at a private location in the area where we can really get down and and really throw down. Have a blast. Oh, cool. I hope I can get out there. I really want you to come.

I'm pretty sure I can, man, so I hope to be there. And like you said, it's, it's nice to go meet the people, man, because there's people who, you know, you pop up on their feed, or some grower tells them to follow, weed should taste good, and they see all the stuff you're doing, you know, you're in Colorado, really has become like an epicenter for a lot of, not just our community, but like the natural farming community and stuff like that. So for you to, you know, head on out to whatever state and meet these people is very, very cool. But, yeah, build the soil days. November, 2 and third. I'm going to try to be there, man, but listen, man, let's jump into this though. Hey, how have you been doing with your breeding work? I mean, we're going to talk about everything. We're going to talk about medicinal work with patients. We're going to talk about plant extracts, of course. But I want to start with your breeding work. I've said it before on this show, and I believe I've talked to you about it personally, but one of my favorite smokes of God, 2022 did it fly by that fast? Probably 2022 was your let me see if I get this right, Mesa cookies, 2.0 I believe is what I tried with you. Yeah, I believe so. Yes, yeah. I got a memory, bro. That was that was at the top of my list, definitely, like top three smokes of that year. Wow. I think I brought it up to you on the show before, but like, that was definitely an eye opener. What have you been working on with breeding? Have you bred any more of that? Mesa cookies? Talk to me about that. Yes,

man, actually, I'm glad that you brought that up, because Mesa the 2.0 was the keeper cut out of my f2 generation of that. So the Mesa cookies is lime cookies, Bubba. The lime cookies was originally from Jaws seeds. And it was an old bubba. It got hit to bog sour bubble. So lime cookies, Bubba to sour bubble was the mom, the dad of it is elk Valley heirlooms, Long Valley royal cush to Royal cush inbred line. So it's just a man, an extension of Mandelbrot royal Kush line that Kevin at Elk Valley heirlooms, route wise. Did I use his mail on my line? Cookies, Bubba, sour bubble. And then I selected from that f2 did it selected from that f2 generation? And then recently, I've taken that keeper cut from the f2 generation and made femme seeds of it. And I'm in the and I did crosses, yeah, I did some femme out crosses onto, like, some keeper cuts, like the cap junkie, onto some old cuts that we have, like a root beer cross. So I did some out crossing there too, in the femme femming. And right now I'm just doing some testing, getting some good photos, getting some feedback, and some some data on the how these fems operate in the, you know, in the field, so to speak, or in the grow room. I've got 600 of those in the ground at a licensed operation here in Colorado, at Area 420 should Mesa cookie fems hit

the dirt? Oh, shout out, we know area 420 shout out, that's awesome. Shout out, brain strap.

Man, Matt. Matt is really grateful for his help along with this project to move that this f2 generation forward and see the what's potential in it. It's a big phenot Hunt like that. Shout out,

that's crazy. Man. Okay, so first of all, I didn't know I was setting you up. This is a whole new pollination. I gotta get some of those. Second of all. Shout out to brain strap. Shout out to Matt from brain strap in area 420 they're friends the show, so I had no idea that you were like collabing with them too. That's awesome. No, I love

those guys. I've got a lot of respect for the work they do out there. So yeah, big up, Mike. Area 420 and brain strap Matt, too. That's

great. And then the third thing is, I didn't know that there the half of that lineage was a whole royal cush worked line, dude. I love royal cush. Back in the day, that Humboldt royal Cush was some of the best shit you could get your hands on. It was like modern weed in a time where we didn't quite look like it does. Now, you know what I mean, I really like that royal cush. That makes sense. With the with the flavors and aromas. But I don't want to put words in your mouth. What do you describe this Mesa 2.0 pollen donor like, how do you describe the flavor profile with people?

The 2.0 is like creamy cush with, like berries. It's like a sweet cream, old school Cush, not OG kind of like a Burmese Afghan type thing with sweet berry, dark berries, kind of like a blueberry, BlackBerry, raspberry type of thing right in the mix. But you so you get, like, a really nice creamy gas, like creamy cush gas that's infused, like berries and cream with the cushback. It's a little bit stretchier and which lends itself to higher yields than a lot of the other expressions in the especially in the f1 generation, the f2 generation had more stretch and the F threes, which I didn't fan, but I made the F threes, they even went even farther in that narrow leaf direction of stretchier, longer flowering. Yeah, the all the, all those narrow leaf traits, kind of the f3 really kept, kept going in that direction. So I backed off that. I really focused on the f2 generation, and that's where the keeper was found, and that's what we found. That's really

cool, man, I'll have to see what that, what that pollination drop is like. I'll be glad to support you. But I agree. I remember that Mesa cookies being what I consider like a full spectrum type of flavor. You've got the higher high end, the sweet, the berry, it's kind of like your treble, you know what I mean. And then you got that, like Kush, middle, like you said, not so much the sweet, earthy OG Kush, but more of like the classic. I think that's a good way to put it. And then that low end funk. I just remember being very impressed by that, like full spectrum flavor. So, very cool, man, very cool. You're working on

that. Yeah, that's always a big work. And I'm stoked to be testing the cap. We're also testing the cap junkie crosses to that, which is, is going to be an exciting thing, because that's such a that's just a real show off plan. I feel like a lot of elites got come and go, but I feel like that one did, did kind of impressed me a little bit in the garden. So,

Oh, interesting. That was that farmer, John's cut, or is it different? It came from

him, but it's like the cut. It's like the he, okay, his cut. It's just like the cut of it that came from, I was gonna say, I don't know, direct, you know,

seed stock or what? Okay, cool. So

that one was, like, released at Emerald Cup, like, 21 or something like that. I think they cut and then they slowly got out there and shout out, Farmer. John knows how to knows how to get them once they're available.

Yeah, shout out to my buddy, John. Well, that's very cool, man. You got the cap junkie crosses dropping. You got the the pollen donor from the Mesa cookies, 2.0 Are there any females that you're really excited about getting hit with that pollen? Either one? Like, can you maybe just talk about one of the crosses or two of the crosses that you see great promise in? Yeah, you

know what? I want to shout out. I can't even speak on the like, I'll names across, but I want to shout out my testers and the people who put in work, like, like, like, Matt brain strap, but like, I'm gonna shout out roster Rob out in Oklahoma, man, because he's putting in work on my seeds. I got people that, like, I really can appreciate the work that they do. Jolly Roger, uh, seeds, like some of these guys, really put in work for me using my seeds to do the work, like on the Senegal, like roster, Rob did a lot of work on all my African the Senegal, Tahoe, Bubba, the Swazi Durban Senegal, Swazi Durbin crosses, like a lot of these really unique strains that you got to have, find a unique person to say, I want to grow this. I want to learn about your genetics. What you're doing interests me. Because I'm weird, and I do weird things like Swazi, Durban Senegal, you know, like, like Senegal to Tahoe bubble, like, like Balochistan to Chem, like people like baloney Stanley, you're talking about Balochistan, you know, I'm that person. I'm that weird friend who does the land race crosses, and they come out fire actually, like, you know, like Raja Raja stand to Rio Negro, like Central Indian to Highland Colombian, you know, I love doing some of these, like land race crosses, because you get such unique hybrid vigor that other breeders, just when they're doing a cookies to an OG to a sour cross to an OG to a cookies to a sour, it's not like the same like, it's all poly hybrid mashups of the same thing when you go back to the root lineages. And the only way we can break that um monotony, or that that cycle of of like genetic bottlenecking, is by bringing in some of these outcrossing, uh, unique outcrosses, like a land race or an heirloom, like the balloon. Balochistan is from traditional hash makers in North Pakistan who are growing these plants forever. Shout out erozine and full power selections.

Oh, nice, yes, yes, I'm familiar. That's, that's where that Balochistan came from. Was through Listen, man, I love what you're saying there. That is exactly true, and you're one of the few people who put your money where your mouth is. Because I hear this complaint from guests. I want to say a lot, but I've heard this complaint from guests before, but it's like it's a really easy way to fix it. Get started. This is what I tell every, every listener who sends this type of thing to me, too, if you're in. To the exotic genetics, if you want to break up the gene pool, if you want to do that, IBL outcross, like, whatever, get started. You know what? I mean, you're one of the few guys who says that and then actually does it? Does that make sense?

Thank you. Yeah. No. It's like, put up or shut up, you know? So it's like you can talk about all day, but until you start working a embryo, until you start getting some seeds from international sources that are outside of the typical gene pool, and start playing with them, working with them, getting to know them, crossing them, and seeing what they do. That's work. You know, that's a lot of work. And people talk about how much a Pheno hunt costs, or how much energy and money and time it takes to hunt a cut man doing the land races is really next level on that, because it there. You know, you never know what you're going to get with these things. It really is interesting. And once you start doing a couple crosses with them, you can start kind of getting a little bit more expectations and what's going to come What? What are these going to act like? In my setting, it takes work that's all. That's a lot of that goes on behind the scenes. Yeah, glad

you have those testers that you can count on and support so they've, they're working on some stuff that you're excited about. Just leave it to say that, yeah,

all the well, the Senegal, Tahoe, Boba keeps, keeps improving. I've done, I'm up to f2 on it, and it's really keeps improving. And more and more people who grow it like, I have more input as to say, like, you know, avoid narrow, super narrow leaf. You knows, across the board, I can kind of say, the more I get to know these genetics and these lineages, the better everybody is going to grow them, because I can impart more energy, more information about them to each grower and the testers. The testers are the ones who really drive that home. Because, yeah, I'd say it's 6030, like, like, a lot of what I know about these genetics comes from other people that grow my seeds. And like, I'm so grateful to have that network, to have that community. And just like I was saying, with all the other info, I you give somebody something like some seeds and a little information about them, they work that. They grow those seeds out, they put their energy into it, and then they come back to me and they tell me that information and that that doubles and triples what I can do. It's really much more than the combined of our efforts, as we really do a

lot Totally. I mean, this isn't even on the list, but I'd like to talk more about this. Is there anything you'd like to share working with these exotic genetics? The word exotic gets thrown around by by exotic, I mean, in the traditional sense of the word, from a far away and foreign place, hard to find far away genetics. There's a lot of statements being thrown around about these things. Man, oh, you should never grow them because they take too long and they won't yield. Or I hear people saying the opposite, you'll never get a high quite like some of these 14 week strains. That's another thing people say. Some people say they're great to grow, but only outdoors, because indoors, they can hit the top of your tent. Talk to me about, like, the conception of a lot of these narrow leaf variety, sativa, exotic genetics, and then what you found to be the truth hunting them.

Yeah, I think the sourcing is the biggest

thing. If you're getting them from, like, literally from out of the country, like a friend in Thailand sent them to you or something. If you're getting them direct from location, a lot of what people say can be true. It's just going to be like, Wow, wild variation, shooting extreme stretch, not as Lima, but not as much yield as but once you get into a worked line where somebody took that and even made F twos and F threes to get some of the desired traits got more dominant or out crossing it with more established lines, like, like, I used a inbred Chem line to cross to my North Pakistan. And that turned out really great, because the tarps were just kind of all the all the flavor profiles lined up, and you get a real consistent kind of meaty, funky, earthy thing out of those. Now, which is, which is what you would want, what you'd want when you say Chem to North Pakistan. For me, it's not going to be a fruity floral,

you know, yeah,

bright type aroma, yeah, but, but you're saying, you know, a little bit of work goes a long way with these people. Look at these a little bit different. It's not the same as just grabbing one of these pack of worked poly hybrids. You're saying it's a different product, yeah, it's

a different kind of product, for sure. And there's a different kind of work that goes that's necessary to go into the land race hybrids, or the heirloom hybrids, than in poly hybrids. Which poly hybrid? Not to say that they're bad. It's just that, you know, everything nowadays is one one other breeders cut to one other breeders cut. Third Party takes them and fems them onto each other, and the next ensuing, like hash dumper, Keeper cut that comes out of whatever size fino you hunt, may or may not have happened there. Sometimes it's one, admittedly, one seed was popped and this is the keeper, and this is the cut that's getting handed around. Other times, it's like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of seeds being popped to find the one keeper that really does the trick and is worthy of passing around these land rates don't hit that don't hit those notes in the same way, because the work done on them is different and the work necessary is also different.

Would you say that your goal is to maintain the uniqueness of the flavor profiles and the effects that people talk about while. So maybe working it a little bit like you said, to have the desirable traits that US tent growers look for.

I mean, I think you're asking kind of, if I'm like a like a preservationist, and if I listed myself as a preservationist of these terpene profiles or something. I mean, I'm really just, like, I look at breeding in a really unique way, where we it's like, you do this work, and you your work goes out into the world, and you probably don't ever really get to see the fruition of that work, like today with the internet and legalization stuff, we get to converse with our customers and people who grow out our seeds. You don't know what that work you do is going to come to someday. So I just want to put something out there in my packs that people who have the experience with those packs later are excited about and have good feelings about, as far as preserving specific terpene profiles and this and that, not really like I want people to know what went into it so you can appreciate it, so that that can enrich their experience with it, and really, I'm more mostly focused on that last thing is their experience with it. I want them to I want whoever's growing my packs to have a great experience with my seeds, whether that's from it being unique or vigorous, or that they have access to information about them. They have access to me directly to get information about them, because I do like extreme levels of of customer, inter community interaction with people to make sure that the work I do is understood, because it's a little bit out there on all really cool

dude, that's really cool. Now it all goes back to the patient. Is that? Is that fair to say? Yeah,

the growers, or the end user, the, whoever it is that's that's popping these packs in this conversation that we're having, or taking my product, or, you know, whatever we've taken my class, I want them to have. My focus is on their end user experience, so to speak. So they they have a great experience around their around whatever I've provided. That's

great, man. That's fantastic, really. Well put I know you do a lot of work with things like FICO and working with patients in your life and your circle, you mentioned that like you're you're breeding for the end experience. But can you talk about what goes into the extraction side of your work? Yeah,

for sure. Well, shout out if we're going to talk extraction, shout out number one to Portal. Portal provisions for doing the amazing work and to and give thanks for taking on micros when he does to do to make super high quality rosin, amazing rosin. I'm so honored to have my my material in his jars every now and then, or jars that bear his logo, our jars, so that that's primary kind of where people have access and see my product. What I do personally, with the FICO, with the patients and the end, like the the people in need, is, ain't we all need a good dab and need a good rosin. There's, there's another side of need in terms of people who have no access to cannabis, who don't, don't have a history with it, who are getting into it because they're sick or unwell or have symptoms that they've heard that cannabis can alleviate

or treat or cure in some cases, dare I say

it, not claim it, but geez, what's what's going on out there right now with can't, with people's access to cannabis is unreal that that people can't get it, but they can get all this information about it. So some way or another, they find me, I've got the oils that I've been making forever, this full extract cannabis oil that I make into a tincture, so it's more bio available. Just a really simple process, you know, I get this medicine to people however, it has to happen. And at this point in my life, it's about getting people all to do it together. So other growers know how to make the medicine, other people know how to make the medicine, so I've been teaching how to make this, this full extract cannabis oil in a big way. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's that's been the the mission of just like, help people have access to cannabis medicine who don't want part of this community. Yeah. I taught a little class earlier this year at a seed exchange, like a veggie and food seed exchange, I taught about how to make ganja oil, cannabis full extra cannabis oil, and how to make it into a tincture, how to make cannabis butter, just, just to a bunch of, like, home growers, you know, because everybody needs this knowledge. It's not the kind of thing like, it's not like Portal. Like, only portal can make only good hash makers who have like, really established knowledge can do that rosin thing the way we want it, but anyone in their kitchen with good herb and knows how to and a focus and the right tools, which is basically kitchen equipment, you know, oven, stove, cooking, cooking, bowls, glass jars, this kind of stuff, and food grade ingredients, like anybody can make the The tincture, the FICO that I, that I provide, and to get it out in the way I want to get it out like put was still, even under the legalization schemes and everything of today, it still puts me at risk. So I can't do it for everybody, you know? I gotta tell everybody how they can do it for themselves and move. Forward in that, that spirit, gotta teach a man to fish exactly ganja. Gotta teach,

yeah, you gotta teach a man to fish some ganja. Where do you recommend people get started with recipes? Do you have some content online or, like you said, any classes coming up, like, where should we send people who want to start this, this path down medicinal FeCO tincture?

Thank you. Yeah. I have a class online on my website, available on wechasgood.com and on fermented plant extract.com that you can just you buy the class. I think it's like 100 bucks. It's two hours long. Teaches all about how to make it, how to source it, how to create the right patient environment, how to talk to people about using it, and how to like, protect yourself as like the medicine man medicine woman, to like, keep it, to keep your life in order through other people's turmoil. Because in this role, it's a lot bigger than just making the medicine. You get mixed up in people's suffering. You know,

yeah, that's that is. That is. That is definitely the case. You know, you work with these patients, and it can be very emotional to hear their stories and be in their world and kind of feel their pain. And the FICO is extraordinarily a medicinal way to ingest cannabis. You know what I mean? I think it obviously depends on, you know, humans are biologically unique. Every illness and condition is different. People are going to react differently. But it seems like I've met a lot of people who are, for instance, in a lot of consistent pain, who take FeCO and get a good amount of pain relief. They find maybe more so than smoking a lot of the time. So yeah, I'm happy you're doing that work and working with different types of extracts to help people feel better, you know? Yeah,

thanks, Jordan, yeah, I would just say, like, the biggest thing I want to put out there about FICO is that there's some really great knowledge and information out there. There's also some really terrible practices, like storing it in the low plastic syringes. Is like bad, like, we need to all stop putting FICO or RSO in plastic syringes or plastic anything. It's

the only way I could get it back in the day. What an RSO is the same way? Yeah, no,

it's a like it the terpenes will can degrade the plastic long term storage. It's just not the way. Yeah, like, the glass jars with glass droppers with and diluted into, like, your favorite fatty oils. But, yeah, like, Fico is, like, what's out there available? Like, that's the great thing about rosin, is rosin is so good right now. Like, there's so much high quality, amazing rosin out there right now. But the FICO is, like, kind of, like, still this antiquated tech, and have storage and some of the practices of making it with isopropyl and so, yeah, so I'm just just trying to progress that thing so people have safe access to good, clean medicine. You know, it's tough. I had

no idea that is really fascinating. And you know, I was growing my own when I would still pick up some RSO from the dispensary back in the day. I'm sure it was like the worst of their products ran into RSO. I can't even imagine it was actually a one to one. So maybe it was grown for that. But long story short, always came in that plastic syringe, and I never thought about, like, all of the solvent capabilities of cannabis in general, picking up those micro plastics, baby. Yeah, man, it's

scary shit like, and I see people just with handful every day on socials. I see like somebody with just, like, 100 syringes full of RSO, 20 grams each. And I'm just like, let the healing begin, but also, geez, let the storage practices change. Like this is not best practices at all. I don't want to be the jerk who's just like, get I'm not right, get it out of Plaza, but it's like, someone's got to say it, like, stop. It, stop.

It's an interesting point, man. And all that waste, the waste in general, drives me nuts. Don't get me started on the dispo. But, um, yeah, man, I want to talk more on this, on this idea of health. Let's take it down this idea of your recent project in mushrooms. Do you want to talk about this a little bit? Is this appropriate for grow cast for just a moment? I'd like to talk about mushrooms, mushrooms and cannabis, adaptogenic mushrooms, the ones that are good for the our brain for us to eat, the ones that make us feel special, the ones that are just good for you. So you have your mushroom tincture right now, mushroom tea. And then also, which ones are good for our garden? Can you just talk about that a little bit?

Yeah, man, so I got like mushroom or fungi, to me, is like a microbe, but we don't think we see them as up above the soil as a macro or whatever, a living thing in the forest or in our food growing, cultivation, whatever. But really, to me, fungi are like microbes. I think of them as soil organisms. They run around in the soil and the mushrooms is a cool like fruiting body, like the fruit that expels the spores and extends the life of that subterranean or substrate born species into the next soil or the next substrate, the next log where or the next dung pile, whatever it happens to be growing on. So my fascination with fungi recently has stemmed from my work with bacteria in the Fermented Plant. Extract. And I was studying some old tier Oh Higa, who the EM one founder, studying some of his old literature and studying some Paul Stamets literature. And I was finding them both saying that bacterial interactions, using the EM consortia, lactobacillus, could affect the fruiting of fungi that introducing bacteria to this fruiting substrate can positively affect the fruiting of mushrooms. So I started tinkering with this by using the My lactobacillus based fermented plant extracts products on my fungi grow like I grow food mushrooms. I just get waste from a commercial farm. I get all their spent blocks. I put it in my greenhouse with my light depth hoop. I soak them really good and and then put them in there. And I was growing mushrooms on my own for, for, no way, yeah, just using waste, just trash, like, yeah, because that's Yeah, yeah, stupid grower tricks type of thing. That's amazing,

dude. I know you could just get spent blocks. Like, I'm sure there's some good in there, maybe not good enough for, like, if they're dying on a farm, or if

they're kind of fresh spent blocks, they're not super dried out and old, you can rehydrate them and they'll fruit again. Yeah. And then I started treating my blocks with the ferments, introducing lactobacillus to the fruiting substrate. And, I mean, the results were just insane. So I started marketing my products as a sub i made a mushroom specific product, lacto lactobacillus ferment, just like my other things, but specific for mushrooms. And I marketed that with like, you know, not the fact that I was talking about it meant a lot more. And telling people that the science or the tech behind it meant a lot more than whatever product I offered that didn't really matter in the big picture, but the concept bringing it to people's minds that the bacterial interaction with fungi creates a succession of microbial succession, and it actually helps the mushrooms do better in Life. The fungi increase in life, not take away from it, where most people think, oh, competition. They're competing or something. They're going to be less it's like, really, like they're cooperating. They might be working on the same food source, but they're cooperating for each other's benefit. In due time, like today might be the bacteria's day because you treated it with it, but tomorrow, as the bacteria decrease and evaporate, and everything, as though their their waters that they're living in, evaporates, uh, the fungi increase. There's a secession here that happens of over time, where one thing because dominant at one time, and another thing becomes dominant in the next time or over time, right? This is i, this is working on. I'm growing oysters. I'm growing Lion's Mane, which are really great for your brain, and delicious. Also shit talkies and some chestnuts, which I'm not familiar with, medicinal versions of the chestnut, or what they do. Oh, wow. And it works on all of them. Yeah, it worked on everything. And of course, I'm giving it to people, and it's working on the cubensis, also the psychedelic

functions of everybody's when you say working bigger yields, you're just getting more fruit. Yeah, good.

Thank you for asking that. What they're doing, what what's happening is that, yes, you're getting bigger fruiting mass. I would say you're getting less contamination. Oh, sure. And that makes sense. One really big key is that in between flushes, they're getting shorter time, so the flushes happen quicker, so you're not having so you're having less downtime in between flushes, and getting more in each flush in terms of mass as well. That

segues nicely into our our next question, how do you find growing these things in the same place, fungi and plants. Is that ever a challenge for you as like a living soil grower, or do you just keep them separate? Like, what are your

thoughts? It can happen. I mean, you can get fruiting flushes out of living soil if you inoculate and give the right food supply. My finding is that the mushrooms prefer a slightly moister fruiting environment than we prefer to keep our growing soil like, like, I like gentle dry backs in my soil from time to time at strategic points. I don't think mushrooms generally prefer a dry back. They're going to prefer constant field saturation levels of moisture and the gentle dry backs will increase flushing, but it won't. It won't like benefit long term. And most, most mushroom grows try to keep a consistent form of consistent like moisture supply,

not crop searing, that block

a lot of people, like in living soil, take take the same approach and keep it just like consistently moist, like an Earth Box or a sip. But even the sips, I think, like letting the the res evaporate and getting a gentle dry back at a strategic point can be really beneficial. I agree. Okay, you know, keeping it moist all the time is a great way to run living soil at the same time. It does kind of open you up to some, um, some more pathogen pressure in the soil, more soil born pathogens, if you're not heavily inoculated with beneficials. And it kind of, it also kind of, I don't know it's, it's a great beginner way, like he like Earth, boxes and stuff. So SIPs are great to entry level. Oh,

yeah, the best. If I would say, for a first time grower, if there was a single best method, which I feel there isn't, but, um, you Okay, so you're not using the same media. I've heard that same thing before. What about in the same space? Do you ever find that you've contaminated your mushroom grow with your cannabis grow, or is it, like, not that common?

No, I've definitely had fruiting chambers of mushrooms, like, in my veg before. Oh, yeah. Like, I've definitely put, like, a Martha in the veg, you know. And I've had, I have some, like, cupboards in one of my veggies, and I, like, put the blocks in the cupboards and closed them. Yeah, they just blew, like, in the dark, with the warmth creative made by the lights. Yeah, they blew pretty good. But in flowering, like, I mean, with flowering, is like, there's so much online that I'm, like, Don't fuck it up. Don't put mushrooms in them. There's like, you know, so, so I don't, I generally keep them out, but I have crumbled up oyster blocks. When I just had a lot of blocks. I've crumbled them up as a mulch layer on my fruiting or on my flowering beds, flowering plants, oh, and intermittent flushes through them. Like, you know, but I was kind of like, cool trick soil, like, I'm not focused on that, yeah, right. Gotta worry about these buds up here, making, doing everything you know, the

principal crop, as they say, yeah, yeah. That's really cool though you you've seen that happen in your soil beds, and it's like, okay, that's a cool byproduct, but not something you would like run long term for production. Makes sense. I love those oyster mushrooms for eating, man. King oyster mushrooms are some of my they're so fucking delicious. You get them up at you get them at the Korean hot pot. I've been dying for, like, growing my own, but I just don't know where to start with the mushroom growing. I feel intimidated by it, the same way that someone who hasn't grown weed yet, when I talk to them, feels intimidated by it. And you're like, No, no, it's easy. It's easy. But I just, I don't know, it's a lot of intimidating process.

It's, I don't think I can. I think growing weed is way easier than mushrooms, personally. But I would say, and not everybody can do this, but I would say the best way to get started grow mushrooms is find your local mushroom farm. Go buy some stuff from them, like be a consistent good customer. There's go get the mushrooms, find out which ones you really like and which ones you don't like, or whatever. And then, and then ask them, what's up with your extra Do you got? What do you do with your spent blocks? And ask them about their their waste stream. Like, hey, I'll come and fill with my truck. Whenever you call me, I'll come down with you with a trash can or truck and fill and come and take your blocks, your spent blocks, and then you bring those blocks home, you soak them in a little bit of water with some fermented plant extracts in it, and like, you know, 20 to one or 50 to one and then, or even one ounce per gallon will help. And then you just take those blocks out after they soak for 24 hours, and put them in like a place with the right conditions, the right room temperature and little bit of humidity, and you might get fruit, you you, there's a good chance you can get fruit off of spent blocks. I mean, you just shortcut it a whole lot of a whole lot of everything, a whole lot of bullshit, right? And you never know you might be doing them a favor that they're like, Yeah, this stuff is, like, there's a pile out back. Like, go get it. Like, you can fill your truck full all day. Like, it's we've been wondering what we're going to do with it. You never know. Sue, wow. I like that advice. That's a fun way to get started with it. That's kind of most people don't think I was just like, be, be the trash man, and take your local people's trash away and go get like, the good stuff from them and like, so you know what it's supposed to be like. So you know what good mushrooms are. Go check out the local like,

like, people who are crushing it.

If you can save all that money on blocks, I think that's going to be a huge incentive as well, because you can buy them all ready to go in the bag and stuff. And I was able to get like, one round off of the one that I did. I don't think I took very good care of it, but it was like 55 bucks or whatever. You know, it's a lot of money to to dump on a bag that might, you might you might not do so well. So I'd like to get started with a larger volume, right?

And I'm like, go spend your money on if you want to grow much, if you want to grow mushrooms to eat. And you like eating mushrooms first, to get started, go spend your money on mushrooms to eat. And that you know, so that you know which ones you like and which ones are helpful to you, or you know if you like, what are your Lions man taste? And I think they they help my my brain. They will that they're supposed to be playing foods. And I feel like I can recognize it if I eat them consistently. Yeah,

Lions made is really good. I agree with that. The one that I did grow was Pia Pino. I loved those, okay, the little great, like little stalks, yeah? They look like, kind of like bella mushrooms. Or like, yeah, they're quite delicious. But, yeah, I like those oyster mushrooms. Man, I might have to try, give it a try. Do you sell spores too on your site? Or no,

I'm like, I'm not really a mushroom grower. I like, I said, I've focused on bacteria with my like, studies and products and stuff. Sure, I can refer you to some great mushroom or sport people not off the top of my head, though? No, no, that's correct. No, that's not really my thing. I appreciate the mushrooms. I love them, and I learn from them, even the psychedelics I'm a big, big fan of. But, yeah, I'm not a grower of mushrooms by any means. I I'm a ganja guy, I'm a plant guy, soil guy. I

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and why? The first best product of mine that I suggest anybody try as a beginner is comfrey, and that's the fermented comfrey extract. Because, well, for one, comfrey isn't, isn't really in our in our cultural lexicon, very much in America, but it's big in Britain, and it's, it's been used for around the world, for all kinds of purposes, and I grow a lot of it on my farm. And it's, it's my number one crop, longest growing and best like my favorite thing, because these products are really capture the essence of comfrey's benefit for plants through the lactobacillus fermentation. But yeah, comfrey is all purpose. You can use it in veg and in bloom, because this plant is so rich in all different nutrients, gets even high in calcium. It's high in potassium. Comfrey is known to be anti pathogenic. It's got all kinds of health benefits for humans, for our skin, and for healing, and for healing broken bones and like abrasions, these kind of things, intuitions.

So this is a flower, right? This is like, kind of looks like mint. They

would like the same color as the mint flowers, but they're like these little bell type of flowers that hang down off of a flowering stalk that comes out of the center of the plant. But the main bulk of the plant is these big, wide, kind of hairy leaves, big, black, green leaves with a stem down the middle that just come out in a in all, one leaf out of the ground, one stalk of the leaf, and just dozens of them from the central root crown. And then when those leaves kind of get mature, it'll shoot up the flowering stalk, which has leaves along the side of it, and that flowering stock will put out those little purple clusters of little purple Bell type flowers on the top. And this plant will grow forever. As long as you water it, it will never go away. It's perennial. It'll come back every year. It'll spread out from that crown. Will expand every year, and especially if you harvest it before. It shoots up that flowering stock all the way before it puts on those flowers, is how I like to harvest it, because that sends the energy back into the roots and really encourages that root crown growth expansion from year to year. I'll say, if you put comfre in the ground, in around your property, anywhere, put it where you want it to be forever, because it's super hard to get rid of. If you have to dig up the roots, you're bound to leave one little quarter half inch piece of root down there, and that little quarter half inch piece of root eventually will probably grow into a comfrey plant. Wow, if that spot of Earth gets water, the only way I've gotten rid of a comfrey plant is that living out here in the desert, I didn't water a little section for two years straight, just didn't get way water in those comfy plants. After digging them up every year, when they came up and not watering it, they eventually went away and I didn't come back. But generally it said, if you put comfrey in the ground, it's almost impossible to get rid of it permanently afterwards. Imagine

if cannabis was like that. Miles I would this whole nation would be, I would be on a mission. All I'd have to do for overgrow is just plant the shit. It can't all

be the same. But yeah, like, there'd be a, yeah, we'd be on some comfy weed. Apple Seed vibes, exactly.

So this is a good one to incorporate to somebody who's like, already got a thriving garden humming along, right? You add this, what are the main benefits that you see plants react to, like you said, Is it like a calcium delivery primarily? Is it more or less about the microbes in there and the immune system? How does that work?

Thank you. Yeah, that's a good one. Like, so it's not nutritive. It's not like a nutrition delivery system. Oh, these things have nutrition in them. Like the fermented plant extracts have nutritive qualities. It's not significant enough to be the focus of for the for what they do. What's amazing about these is that they're extremely complex and diverse and rich in secondary metabolites of lactobacillus. It's basically you are what you eat. And these microbes, these lactobacillus microbes, we feed them different, high quality, nutrient, dense plant matters, and they literally translate the nutrients in the plant matter and the qualities of that plant matter into a liquid form through their digestion and the waste of their bodies as they die and reproduce. So the all of this is considered a secondary metabolite. It's what the what the microbes are creating, in addition to their own life, you know, like the waste of their life, their trash, their manure castings or leavings, in whatever form you want to say, but also their dead bodies. Of the microbes as well, are creating a not only nutritive but also enzymatic amino acids. They they're referred to as bio stimulants for plants, but sure, lots of different compounds are present in these ferments. And what's present is based on what you're feeding the microbes. Like I said, You are what you eat, the microbes create what of an environment directly related to their food supply. Sure,

that makes perfect sense to get a different result. So at the end of the day, with those secondary metabolites, I imagine what you're going to say is things like the things we care about, terpene expression, aroma, flavor and density of trichome production. Are these the things that we're trying to stimulate with those bio stimulants?

Yeah, exactly. And this is it's cool, because, like the it's also the plants, the secondary metabolites of the ganja plant that we're growing, right for the terpenes, the trichomes. You know, like ganja isn't a plant that's evolved to make trichomes. It evolved to make seeds, to make more ganja plants make more cannabis. That's what plants do, these unique compounds, cannabinoids and terpenes, all the stuff that we're looking for, generally, in our style of cultivation, is secondary metabolites, byproducts, right? Is what the plant makes, in addition to more of its own life, which is its primary thing. You know, expressing itself into the future is, which is kind of how I was talking about breeding. It's like, that's my goal of reading is to express myself out into the future beyond myself. It's like somebody's gonna pop a pack of my seeds. You know, when I'm not around no more, and they're gonna be like, Yo, this is the shit he did some

work 200 years right in his hover grow. He's

all like the few. We progress ourselves out in the future with our works. You know,

that's exactly right. And if you think about it, we've almost been kind of hijacked by these plants to do their work and to package those seeds into someone to pick them up on an auction, and then to put them in their drawer, and then their kids have it, and their kids kids have it, and then they pop it, and it's like the plant what? Have ever had that happen naturally. They, they've kind of hijacked us through the Botany of Desire. 100%

100% man, they're running the show. Like, who you are with me. You are what you smoke. You are what you take in your psychological inputs. You know, everything you're taking in. Like, I the way, here's, if you want to go deep on, here's how I look at that. Is like, if you know about blockchain, like we're a biological blockchain, like everything we do, think, eat, smell, smoke, taste, friendify, whatever, everything we do makes us what we are in the next moment, and it's all like time stamped in us through like our expression of ourself. That's how you eat, how you exercise, how everything expresses who you what you are outwardly, but it's all like your thoughts and everything else is inward. So yeah, everything we do expresses ourselves out into the future. And that's breathing, that's producing culturing microbes, that's growing mushrooms, that's sharing knowledge, that's being open source with each other. That's what you do. Man, it's like sharing the knowledge, expressing yourself so far outwardly into the world, bro. Like respect to that and give thanks for including me in it. Oh,

thank you, man, that's That's very kind of you. Really great discussions. I like having you on the show, man. I mean, I like you as a friend as well, but also a great guest. This is good dude. Thank you. We're gonna go there, but bringing it back around the comfrey extract, great advice, great recommendation for people to pick up for the first one, let's talk a little bit about crafting these people. You know, they make this, this stuff at home. You do classes to show people the optimal way to approach this. I know it's still a developing science, but where do you see a lot of people goofing up when it comes to making these extracts? Man, I know they're not all as cut and dry as they seem sometimes. So do you have any tips or tricks or pitfalls to avoid when it comes to crafting plant extracts at home? The

biggest thing I see that the like, if you ask them, like mix ups or mistakes people do, is they get this. They get this confused with KmF, with grand natural farming, which is awesome. I love Korean Natural Farming, but they get fermented plant extracts, like, mixed up with Fermented Plant Juice and fermented fruit juice of KNF, and they end up doing some hybrid monster Frankenstein recipe of the two. And I'm like, they're like, What did I do wrong? And I'm like, What did you do? Like, it's this, I did all this. And I'm like, Where'd you get that recipe? Like, what's that? And they're like, it was, like, I thought I was doing KNF or something. I'm like, Yeah, hold on. Like, backtrack, you know. So, so I always refer people to the few videos I've done with build a soil to how to make them, which is real simple to find out there up on their YouTube, build a soil. YouTube, yeah, build the soils. YouTube, as like, great, two great videos I did with Gwen. Uh, build a soil. Family farms out there, we brew. We brewed a big, couple big batches out there on their farm. Nice, yeah. So, so the scale of it, whether you can do it for yourself, or whether you can share it with somebody who can do it for themselves, you know, it's, I always suggest people just go out and buy my product, though. You know, I was like, you can make your own. It's gonna smell bad. Your lady's gonna get mad at you. If you're in an apartment, you just made the house smell, you know. But I'm still gonna share the knowledge and be open source. But hit up, build a soul.com, and order one of them, blue bottles for comfrey, all purpose and veg. What's it? Pumpkin is on Orange bottle for bloom. Hemp is a green bottle, and that one's for, like, transition and bloom. But really, all purpose, kind of similar to the comfrey. I had to do one for hemp. You know, that's our thing. That's so cool. Yeah, first, as far as I could tell, is like the first ever of its kind, liquid, like hemp derived. I was like, I was looking in, like the jack Herrera book, even, like the Emperor wears on clothes. I'm like, does he talk about hemp derived liquid fertilizer? I don't think so. Like, boom. Like, I gotcha, yeah. Like, so I'm sure somebody's done a million dollars. I'm like, but it's nice to be like, a product or something, something unique, using our favorite thing, yeah, and put absolutely there to people, so putting it right

back in. And that's kind of what I wanted to get out with. The question was, like, we want to help growers of all types, and there's people out there who might not, they might be in a fucking different country man trying to follow this and make their their own extracts. But at the end of the day, most of my growers, it's probably easiest to incorporate one or two products into what's already working, and then kind of maybe go further from there, right, grab a bottle or two, see how they like it, see the results, and then kind of expand their knowledge that way. Because I can't tell you, man, I see this not just with natural farming, but I see it with hydroponic farming and cocoa farming. Sometimes you try to switch everything up, and it's like too, too much, you know what I mean. So I see a lot of people trying to jump into K and F, like you said, and make their whole thing run on on stuff that they make, and it's just tough, dude that's much tougher than than, like you said, grabbing a bottle that's going to be consistent too. Yeah. So, I mean, listen, everybody's got a different situation, but. It. But I agree, I think you're better off just dipping your at least at first, right? I mean, just dipping your toe in it at first, understanding the products and getting it one that is super, super consistent, because a lot of the homemade stuff isn't going to be as consistent,

yeah. And, I mean, I would say, if you want to do something at home, really bad, the first thing you're going to do is make lactobacillus, and there's tons and tons and tons of videos on how to do that, and then you're going to go from there into something like my product, or Bucha, or whatever, I like that, but yeah, getting your feet wet, like getting them wet in a way that's going to help what you're doing, like, if you're growing in salts and cocoa, like lactobacillus and fermented plant extracts, is a great way that you can kind of integrate a little bit of organic, a little bit of natural farming stuff in because these things can be foliar sprayed, and they're going to have a great benefit. Good point, you don't have to disrupt your feeding schedule. If you've got something you like, you can still come in and just foliar spray with the fermented plant extracts or with the lactobacillus serum you've made, and see results. I

like that a lot. Man, and I'm seeing a lot of syngenic growers doing really well, man. Like, I feel like that style is really ripping in, like, the modern age. Yeah, we had the Grow cast cup, and I believe top three were soil, and then fourth was soil, syngenic, fourth place flower. And I was like, I just love to see the different stuff. Yeah, very cool. Is welcome. But your products really quickly, before we talk about stuff that's coming up on the horizon, that's not weed, should taste good.com, right? Or is it also there? Do we go to build a soil for your ferments, for

my products, the best way to get them is through build a soil. That's my distributors. I got so much love for Jeremy, Gwen, the whole crew over there, root wise, Martin, the wholesale guy. We've all worked together great as a team. And I'm, like, always stoked to just be able to, like, to be a part of that. We travel and do these trade shows together, and do little pot, like, do like, little video, YouTube things together. And have, we have a lot of fun with it. And we do, we do, I feel like we work great together, do great business. So, yeah, build this oil.com. You can just search fermented plant extract and look for the blue and orange bottles, green bottles, pink for peach, although my my stuff is all really nice and brightly bold colored. And there are some nice ferments out there by growing organic I think that are available still at Build a soul. And he makes a really great Bokashi product as well. Shout out, AJ for Bucha as well. But yeah, the build of soil is the way to get the product, the best way if you want to just stay in touch with me about that product, fermented plant extracts.com, just the name of my product.com.

Is really a good way just to

stay on top of what I do. I got all the classes available on there. I've got all kinds of really specific things going on on the website. Sometimes I'll offer seeds, like farm like my son, I did a seed sunflowers and amaranth and poppies and all I hand by game. People got a pack of ganja sees or hepsies, you know, all kinds of just, I did a farm seed selection on there this spring. All kinds of fun stuff I do on that site. But the best way to get the product, if you want the bottles, the jugs of the product, that's build the soul.com 100%

shout out, dude. Yeah, I'm I've been dying to get Jeremy on the show. We had something in the works at one point, so, yeah, I'd love to talk to that guy. Yeah. Maybe it's really cool to her. Yeah. Like

a little, hey, I'm out for the event. We do a little thing like that. Yeah, it's

cool to see you guys collabed up. Man, that's a powerhouse team. So, very, very cool. You mentioned it before you got to tell us about what you're working on. You mentioned some new flavors. What do you got in the lab for your plant extracts? Wow.

Well, for that, I'm really focused on,

I'm trying to get my bulk production and storage in the best way I can for the future, like the ferment flavors. I mean, last year I did like watermelon, because I found, like, a local guy with a bunch of watermelons, like, you know, good local products that I can tap into, like Indian waste stream and, like natural crafting. I'm all in. So I did a like, I might, I have a five acre field out here that I used to do hemp on them. I'm kind of doing soil building and some flowers and stuff on rotating and sowing cover crops in the dormant areas. So I've got like, tons of alfalfa. I've got, like, chicory, comfrey burdock, like, my field is just a plethora of, like, I could go out there, and certain time of year I'd go out there and harvest a bunch of milky oats. I could harvest. I just, I'm tilling it back in and returning it to the soil and soil building. But the potential I have out here on the field, like, I mean, just, even just red clover, I could harvest, like, tons and tons of red clover if I want Interesting. Yeah, what was the question? I mean, listen, you don't have to future man, like the firm, you don't have to, yeah, you don't have to blow the next big trip. Don't even know what the next. I did say, okay, all right, did sage? I'll talk about the newest the sage was good because I. Jeremy had been talking to me. Jeremy bill this had been talking to me about a study about jasmonic acid in the sage brush, not like edible sage that we eat, really, but like the sage brush of western Colorado, the Artemisia tridentada. Artemisia tridentata is the giant sagebrush that grows out here, and the smell of it is real distinct. If you ever been camping western Colorado, you know 100% so this sage brush is like it's burned by Native Americans as a cleansing and as a ritual thing that but when I fermented it, the properties of this jasmonic acid present in the flowers and in the in the smelly leaf parts would translate into the ferment and provide a stress response for the plants, which is called jasmonic response from jasmonic acid. And the what it is, is that the plants, like when you go under stress, you kind of have to fight that stress off and become stronger to to address that stress. So that's this acquired response of the plants to stress. So you're giving them that response without actually giving them the stress. So the stress the plants are like automatically in this like beefed up state of hyper vigilance against pests and and pathogens, like expressing themselves to the fullest using all those secondary metabolites and and everything in that stress state, kind of without the actual stress app,

similar to what people say about chitin, right? Triggering stress, stress responses like that, yes,

and I believe chitin is creating the other one is salicylic response. It's jasmonic and salicylic acids creating those responses. And yeah, it's interesting, because chitin can create that too. And my other product, Willow, with the bright yellow label, is Willow is known to be high in salicylic acid as well. And that was my kind of tag team products. Was the jasmonic and the sage and the salicylic and the willow. And, of course, Willow for cloning, yeah,

the willow bark, right? Having the the different auxins and ethylene present to trigger the adventitious root response, exactly. Man, that's a magical plant right there. It's all about to plant magic at the end of the day, right? Miles, yeah, man

as nature, love. You know, I was like Earth love they. We learn about them, and they're running the show. So they learn about us and figure out how to how to get us propagating and planting and loving and treating them, right? It's

true, man, that's true. We had a big weeping willow tree on the property that I grew up on, and we used to play under that. So I have some childhood memories of this massive weeping willow. And it was probably bigger because I was a little kid too. So in my imagination, it's a little bit bigger than it was anime style, like the Great Deku Tree. But yeah, that Willow is magic stuff. Listen, you are a plant magician, sir, as Farmer John said, you you are an Arabian Genie. In real life, it's a pleasure to always have you on the show, dude. Any final words here before we do plugs and wrap it up? Jeez, yeah,

I'm sure I got something to say.

Yeah, I've been working on these.

Audi in Colorado. We got legal as you know, nature, natural medicine stuff, including psilocybin and psilocin from mushrooms. So I've been working these with some labs that are doing pretty high end extractions of cubensis, primarily for psilocybin and psilocin. And I was brought on kind of as like a like product developer to help me, like, integrate what they were doing into a customer based response. Like, what would people respond to if we marketed it in these ways? So I developed a whole product line around this labs like work, and really have, have done some amazing things with them and created some really cool little products that we're integrating into. I wouldn't even like say little products, some really big, big things. I feel like a lot of potential that we're integrating into different, you know, different emerging modalities. I guess you'd call it out here in Colorado. What's the the psychedelic assisted therapy, this kind of stuff. So that's kind of exciting for me, because it's really novel, like nobody else is doing things at this like clinical of a scale and level of of accuracy and dosing control and like nano encapsulation of the active ingredients and all this really amazing stuff that the lab is able to do that, I understand the value of and can, hopefully can translate that to the end users of that, what that value means and can mean to them. But that's that's like a whole, like, amazing journey, because I've always loved psychedelic mushrooms and going way deeper on them, and it. Front way where I don't I don't want to, like trip anymore. I don't need to trip a bunch on mushrooms, but I can have a different experience using these isolated compounds, either in micro dose or stronger forms, that really mimics the mushrooms but takes away some of the like heavier like stomach issues and heavy body things and not and inconsistency in dosing, where, like, you never know kind of what you're getting into sometimes when you

eat a gram. Wow. So, yeah, there's, like, a big, big change

on all this, like, of how I've looked at these, and that's been exciting for me. Just the last two years, three years of, you know, having a new experience with this, this thing, I thought I knew pretty well

that is really cool, man, I'd

like to talk to you off air about that sometime, and my recent experience using plant medicines like that. Love it, because that's really important stuff. I mean, if you feel the same thing with cannabis, right? But when you're working with these psychedelic mushrooms and the people that they help it, really does do something that nothing else really does effectively. You know, Dr Dan angle on this show a million years ago, said, you know, psychotherapy, for instance, just fails in a few areas. And these types of compounds really can help people with their PTSD. Really can help people with marital problems and the rewiring of these neurons different traumas from their past, and it's very, very interesting stuff. Man, you're doing a lot of cool shit, miles. It's fun to keep up with you. Weed should taste good. Is a must follow on Instagram, and people enjoyed the journey. Man, I hope you're doing well. You look healthy, you look good. I hope we can smoke one together soon in Colorado, yes,

or anywhere for real. Yeah, good call. Love it. Thank you. Jordan, uh, where can people find you talk about all this stuff and where to get it? Okay, so the URLs, we just taste good.com. Fermented plant extracts.com. Adaptive vibe.com. Adapt a vibe.com. Is a mushroom project. The IG is my main platform for socials, and that would be just at weed should taste good, all one word, no nothing, spaces or nothing, and at fermented plant extracts, just at fermented plant extracts, no dots, no dashes, nothing, all, one word, and generally my email is available on all those socials and all those websites, and feel free to reach out to me directly via email. There will be a website emerging very soon for the build a soil days event. I think it might be build a soil days.com so keep an eye on that one which might which would be really exciting, because that website is going to be just, like, super sexy,

yeah, and

yeah, everything is just moving along with with, like, the events. That's what I really want to, like, meet people face to face, and like saying, build this network of people, because you can only go so far online. But, and it's amazing how far we've come online. I don't know how you are Jordan. But I remember when I was like, just getting online, it was like, never, ever meet with anyone from the internet. Never. Yeah. Now it's like, well, fuck everybody. Like, who the fuck did I meet? Not? I'm like, No, those are the new world,

not online. So,

yeah, it's a it's an interesting world we've come into with all this access to technology and that we're actually using this technology to do something like really amazing and powerful and helpful for each other and for the world. And there's so much frivolity and uselessness and wastefulness in the tech realm of what, what technology is being used for, you know. And in, in the spirit of all you know, shout out highly Selassie aves for saying that technology should be used for the benefit of all mankind. And I really believe, I really, really believe that what you're doing with technology, with the Grow cast, and what the way I try to use social media and the internet and stuff, is that we're using this thing, this powerful, powerful tool that we have in a super advanced period of time, that we live for something that's like, actually fucking meaningful and good and purposeful, and gives our lives a purpose. It's like,

that's lacking in

a lot of other realms, in a lot of people's lives. You know, we're doing something dope, and I'm like, I'll never you know, we got to shout out ourselves and give up. Give it up for ourselves, because nobody else is going to do it for us. Nobody's going to speak our truth. And like, yeah, shout out Jordan for doing the Grow cast, because this is a big thing you got, you got amazing people coming on it all the time. Thank you. Man, I'm honored to be on it. Man, like, for real. Man,

thank you. And I could not agree more, I am honored to have this position. And like you said, Could I have even imagined this 10 years ago when I turned onto the microphones, or 15 years ago before podcasting was even a thing? Like no, absolutely not. I could never have imagined this. I wasn't even growing weed until I was 20 years old. Man, so respect. It's crazy. It's crazy to think about. Just really quickly I. Remember the TETRA lounge meetup was so fun, man, you me and Chris Trump all just bombed Tetra lounge and and heart and soil was there. And I want to say brain strap was there as well. Uh, maybe there's a bunch of people there. I was we should just do that again. Yeah, do that again in 25

tetras licensed up now. And, like, you can just round up there, license that. But, yeah. Like, yeah, tetra, still we're blowing up. Yeah. Shout out. Uh, so, uh, rad reefer. You should holler her. She, uh, she works there, and she holds it down. She works there right now, and she holds it down, and she's like, and she, uh, what's it? Thursday night's industry night at tetra, if you're in Denver, Thursday night is the night to go. I think, Wow, good

to know. I'm only familiar with Miss rad reefer through Instagram. I would obviously love to connect. Yeah,

that's her. That's she does twitch and shit. I think now,

what is this? What is going on? Man, like, the last I spoke, you know what? I mean, this is weird. Like, everybody's collabing up. I think that's awesome, small

world. Man, it's really not like the weed game is, like, a really tight, like, you know the people who are holding their ground, who have been in it, who are like, we're gonna be in it in the future. It's a small, small and smaller circle. Man, it means

that I haven't been to Colorado recently enough. That's what that means. There it is. All right. Man, thank you so much. Miles. Everybody let us know how awesome you thought this episode was. I know you enjoyed it, so make sure to hit up miles and tell them, Hey, I heard you on grow cast. That was a dope episode. We love receiving those messages, weed should taste good on Instagram, at growcast on Instagram, growcast podcast.com. Is the website. Come check us out. We'll do a grow cast TV with Miles soon for the members. Of course, this is miles and Jordan River. We're signing off. We're saying to you, be safe out there, everybody, and grow smarter. Thank you for tuning in, everybody. Thank you to miles. Thank you to all you listeners. Thank you to the members out there. Growcast podcast.com is where you can find all our stuff, the seeds, the membership, the classes, come and join up. And before we wrap it up, quick shout out to my favorite nutrient company, rootedleaf.com code, growcast saves you 20% on the best nutrients around rooted leaf nutrients. I'm using them on this run. And this is one of the most beautiful runs I have ever had. Folks, rootedleaf.com you will find the starter pack there, 20% off with code grow cast. You don't pH these nutrients. They're loaded with carbon. I've got my cilium growing out of my pro mix like crazy. And did I mention you don't pH? You just mix it up and feed. It works like a charm. I love this stuff. You'll see great results. Their solar rain is a great foliar. If you want to check that out and give it a try first, their calmag fuel is a zero nitrogen, high carbon, calcium magnesium supplement. So if you want to try that and replace your Cal mag, I know you'll love it. It's all@rudeleaf.com or just pick up the whole starter pack, which is what I recommend if you're not completely satisfied with your current nutrient protocol, grab the whole starter pack. Use code grow cast, you will never go back. No need to. PH, don't worry about EC, I water to run off, and my plants look incredible, and I don't think twice about measuring anything. Check it out. Rootedleaf.com code, growcast, for 20% off. Huge. Thank you to Nick. We'll have him back on the show soon. Rooted leaf, everybody. Thank you to rooted leaf. All right, everyone. That's it for now. Thank you so much for tuning in. I am on my travels as we speak, popping out to the islands. Got some stuff cooking up that I'm very excited to launch and finishing the studio when I get back, which will soon, probably about fall, put us into video episodes full time. I appreciate you loyal listeners. Stay tuned. Do well in your gardens. Be safe. Of course, we'll see you next time.

Let the healing begin, but also, geez, let the storage practices change. Like this is not best practices at all. I.