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Greetings growers worldwide. Jordan River here back with more grow cast with just the right amount of cinnamon. Today, we have Doug and Leanne from hygrozine back on the line. You know and love Doug. They came on the show once before. I highly recommend you check out that last episode as well. And we pick up right where we left off. Today. We are diving deeply into enzymes, talking about some specific enzymes and how they function, how they occur in nature. We talk more about the research that hygrozheme does when creating their products. We talk about cinnamon a lot. It's a really cool episode. I know you're gonna love this one. Do stay tuned. We've got some big grow cast news during this episode, the key lime madness FEM drop is happening Monday. It's slated for Monday. Be ready as you're hearing this today. Oh my goodness, that's today. Should be dropping later this afternoon, as you're hearing it. Make sure you're in membership. So you save 20 bucks per pack. Growcast.com/seeds, for the seeds. Growcast.com/membership, for the membership, and get in there for the grand final hunt starting 215 it's perfect timing, so stay tuned for that later today. You'll hear more about it during this episode, but before we get into it with Doug and Leanne, shout out to AC infinity. That's right. AC Infinity has been with us for a long time. Acinity.com, for all your growing needs, tents, lights, fans, the best in the game and grow cast one five gets you the biggest savings there on the site, plus new to Amazon. If you use code growcast, one five on your AC infinity Amazon order, you now get 10% off on Amazon. So they've raised that code a little bit. I think it used to be like 5% so if you prefer the Prime shipping, go to amazon.com. Whatever. AC infinity product, you need put it in your cart. Use code grow, cast one five, you'll get 10% off or go right to AC infinity.com use code grow, cast one five, and you still get free shipping on orders $99 or more. So like I said, grab a Grow Tent kit. There's no better place to just grab a complete kit. Their ion board lights are nice and affordable. Their ion bar lights are fantastic to use for flowering tents of all different sizes. Like I said, the best aeration in the game. Go check it out. Grow cast one five works on the website, gives you 10% off on Amazon on all AC infinity products. Huge shout out to AC infinity. Thank you, and thank you listeners for using our code. It helps us, it helps you, it helps them, and it's all at AC infinity.com with code grow cast, one, five. Alright, everyone, let's get into it with Doug and Leanne. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, everybody you are now listening to grow cast, I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today before we get started. As always, I urge you to share this show. Turn a grower on to grow cast. It's the best way you can help us out. Check us out@growcast.com it's the new website. Everything is up there. We got the classes, we got the membership, the grand fino hunt and so much more. It's all@growcast.com thank you for tuning in today to grow cast podcast, and we have a couple of return guests, fan favorites, instant fan favorites. Back on the line for another round from Team hygrozine. We've got none other than Leanne and Doug both back on the program. How's it going? Leanne and Doug,

Speaker 1

03:11

Hey, Jordan, doing well. Thanks. How are you doing? Excellent.

Jordan River

03:15

And Doug, good to see you as again, my friend,

Speaker 2

03:18

you too nice to talk to you again. Doing well. Hope you're doing all

Jordan River

03:21

too Welcome back to the show. Like I said, Hi, grzyme, you guys are awesome. Your line is is a great product line that we respect and we love. But more so than that, you guys coming on the show is absolutely incredible. People love to hear from you guys. The last episode got rave reviews, so I'm happy to have you back as a team. Why don't you catch us up on what you guys have been up to? I know hagerzine is super, super busy with development and, you know, getting the word out there and promo and all that fun stuff. So what has hygrozone been up to? Leanne, largely since we last spoke? Yeah,

Speaker 1

03:54

thanks, Jordan. I mean, we always love coming on to the show and getting to talk to you and getting to interact with your listeners, so thank you for having us back again. As for what we've been up to lately? I mean, I think the better question is, What haven't we been up to lately? We've been working on our recent launches for hydropunch and for our nutrient A and B. Nutrient A and B was launched into US and Canada just a few months ago. So we're still going really strong on that, working with all of the retailers and distributors and social media and all that fun stuff, just getting the buzz out there and getting everyone's feedback, and then other than, other than the product side, we're prepping for events we're working on, you know, maybe some new things for the future, and just keeping busy.

Jordan River

04:46

I love that you guys drop a lot of, you know, breaking information, a lot of teasers here on the show. That does mean a lot to me, and my audience always gets hyped. So my understanding is we might be talking about another upcoming product you guys have been. Now the park lately, thank you. Been using hygro punch in my garden particularly, really liking that product quite a bit. So I love to hear it, and I love that you guys are keeping up the good work. For those of you who didn't catch the last episode, I would go back and listen to that, you could just easily Google grow cast and Tiger time, it'll come right up. And last time we spoke to Leanne, as well as Doug. Doug, I don't want to get your title, your official title, wrong, but I do know you are over there in research and development. You're the Science Guy. What have you been up to? Are you? Are you busy in the lab? What type of research have you been keeping yourself busy with?

Speaker 2

05:31

Oh, yeah, we're always busy in the lab. You know, we're always looking at, what can we develop next that's gonna obviously provide some benefits to the grower, right? You know, I look at a different not just one specific product, but look at all different product concepts, all the way from nutrients, as well as from biostimulants, as well as also, potentially for another crop protection product, and also, too. We're expanding our Grow area a little bit here as well, too. And so we can, you know, obviously, have more plans to to evaluate. So, you know, we have, I have a couple other really good scientists on the team as well too. One in formulation, so he creates all the products and put everything together, make sure that the formulation are compatible the shell life's efficacy and whatnot. And then also have a biologist, person that and at war, he tests all the product concept that we have. And then, you know, obviously, make sure get dial in the right dosage, you know, application intervals and all

Jordan River

06:36

that goodies. What are you guys growing in house to do that research?

Unknown Speaker

06:40

We're going cannabis. Yeah? Really, I

Jordan River

06:43

thought that you were gonna say, like other pro, you have a high grazine cannabis grow.

Unknown Speaker

06:46

We do have a research license.

Speaker 2

06:48

We have a license, yeah, we have a research license that to do that. And so, yeah, because, hey, you know the product you got to test it on, the actual plan, right? I

Jordan River

06:59

mean, listen, maybe I just took that for granted, because I know you guys were doing your own in house testing on pests and stuff. I don't know if I really put that together, that you guys are growing cannabis. That's fucking awesome. Canada sounds awesome, you know, like, where's the Grow cast research license? Let's get it together.

Speaker 1

07:18

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's really neat. And like Doug said, like we're really passionate about, if we're going to be launching these products into this industry, into this market, then that's the crop that we need to test on. So we do have some tomatoes and other plants and stuff in in house as well, but we do have, yeah, our very own research license.

Jordan River

07:38

Leanne, are you in the garden at all? Are you in there pruning? What's going on? I'm in there filming

Unknown Speaker

07:45

for sure. Yeah, okay, that

Jordan River

07:46

makes so much sense. A lot of your content, that's your I just never really put that together. That was like a high rezyme research license. Makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that's that's all done in house, in house, literally in house, indoors in house. I'm super excited to talk about some of those, some of those trials, and what you guys have been researching before we get into today's meat of the episode, though, you know we're gonna talk about enzymes, we're gonna talk about citric acid, we're gonna talk about pest control, a whole bunch of fun stuff. But I do have to just take one moment and thank you. Thank Leanne, thank hygrozine for sponsoring the grand final hunt round one. This was the coolest I really think this was the coolest competition I've seen in the cultivation world. It was very cool, man. People loved it. It was so incredible. The guy who won was so stoked to win 1000 bucks. He was over the moon. I visited the top three finalists personally. The final winner, a guy named Sherm, a member named Sherm, he's up in Minnesota, right at the Canada Border, in the middle of nowhere. And he grew a peach Smash. You know, that was just gorgeous. I mean, just beautiful, crimson, pink and purple, and smelled like peaches and a little astringent. And so, so good. And you guys sponsor, you put up the money. He said, I'm so stoked to win this money, so I'm putting it right back into my grow. I just want to take a second and thank you. Grand Final hunt number one was an absolute smashing success. So thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1

09:09

We were, we were really happy to be able to participate in that. And thank you for, you know, organizing and hosting that whole competition. It was really, really cool to get in there and see everybody's photos. I have never wanted smell o vision to be invented more than looking through the photos of the fino hut.

Jordan River

09:29

Good call. So true. The smell of scope. Yeah, I just, I really can't. Thank you guys enough. We're doing round two hikers. I'm already signed up to be a sponsor of round two. Seriously, you guys, it it humbles me to see these, these people like you, who truly care about the plant. You're you're actually growing it, you're actually supporting the community. You're putting on these contests that people love. And with my help, and I'm grateful for that so and enough mushy stuff. But seriously, thank you, and I just want to give you your props. Like you guys, you walk the walk. You're not, you're not just here to make a quick buck. You. Of the plant. You love the community, and it shows so I want

Speaker 1

10:02

to say thank you so much. Yeah. I mean, we're always really glad when we get that feedback and when it comes across, because at least, in my opinion, like this industry is all about community, and we've really wanted to be a part of that, and kind of, yeah, be as involved as we can with the people on the ground that are growing the plant. So I'm, I'm glad that it shows it really

Jordan River

10:24

does. I super appreciate you guys. So listen, speaking of the plant, and before we get into these questions, I can't get over this, you're growing in house thing. What are you growing? What cultivars do you grow? Do you grow like more hempy stuff? Or are you growing your favorite strain to smoke?

Speaker 2

10:40

Or they're not, not more happy. I would say, you know, we work with the we also work with a provider that provides all the clones for us. And so we kind of pick, pick the one that we're that's going to be conducive to our facility and things like that. So we're, I believe we're, currently, we have two strains in there right now. Well, what

Jordan River

10:58

are they? Do you off the top of your head, off the

Speaker 2

11:01

top of my head, I don't know, off the top of my head? Yeah, I could, but I can definitely find out.

Jordan River

11:05

A follow up on that for sure, yeah, because that would interest someone like me. It's so cool. You guys are literally like scientists in the lab working every day with this stuff. Yeah? Leanne, follow up on growcast tv with that, because I want to know what strains are being grown at hyzine. HQ, yeah, for sure. We'll have to get that info over for you, and I'm sure you're testing the products, yeah, for sure. And I know, I know it all started with hygrzyme, which is really kind of what I want to focus on today, looking at the beginning of these questions. You know, enzymes are a buzzword that gets thrown out a lot in the Grow world, and I'm sure, as you know, you can dedicate your whole life studying them and the science behind them, I'm sure. So what I would like to do is do a little bit of an enzyme deep dive, little bit of an enzyme exploration, a presentation here, and just kind of learn more about about what enzymes are, how they behave, what functions they perform in your products, but also like in nature, right? Yeah. So maybe I can kind of set the stage with the 30,000 foot view, and then Doug, maybe you can correct anything that I got wrong and go a little deeper. Does that sound good? That sounds great. So here's my understanding of enzymes, and basically what they are and how they work. You got your microbes, your living organisms in the soil, right, which do things mostly break things down. You know, maybe these microbes are breaking down rock phosphate for phosphorus. But what do they use to break that down? They use their they produce enzymes, right? Yeah, what someone described enzymes to me was almost like the saliva of the microbes, like they produce these compounds that and the saliva just kind of starts the digestion process, right? And that's really what they're doing. So my understanding is the enzymes are, there's million billion different kinds, right? There's a there's a zillion different kinds, and they all do very specific things. Break down just this or just that, right? Yeah. But I think where a lot of growers go wrong is like, the enzymes are not living things. They are chemical compounds produced by living things, right? Yes, so there, that's where there's a little bit of confusion there for some people. So, so let's focus in on on the ones that we're concerned with. You know, you talk about cellulase being in your product, the enzyme. Cellulase, like I said, tons of different kinds of kinds of enzyme. This is a specific enzyme. What does cellulase do? How does it occur in nature, and why is it important in hygrozine,

Speaker 2

13:29

before I kind of get into deep dive in cellulase, as you mentioned. You know, enzymes are very specific, right? Enzymes really are basically proteins, and then the proteins are then composed of amino acids. And then the enzyme is specific, because they actually fall into what's what we call a tertiary structures, right? They act as a biologic catalyst by basic accelerate chemical reactions. Sure make it go faster, yeah. And each enzyme has a very specific substrate that they can fit into, and then that enzyme then converts that substrate into different products. You know, without enzymes, plants, animals and even us, to a certain degree, will be stuck in slow motions, right? It will take forever to grow and stay healthy, right? You know. And I think in the previous episode we heard about, I think in Leanne explain a little bit enzyme kind of works like a lock and key theory, right? In terms of our products, the hyposign, you know, obviously it contains a very specific enzyme, cellulase, right? So, cellulase has a very specific substrate, too, cellulose, right? Cellulose is one of the most abundant polymer in nature, right? Cellulose is basically a molecule that's a polymer that's composed mostly of glucose, like many, many consists of linear chain, essentially, or many, and even 1000s of glucose chains, right? So what? Cellula does is actually it can take that cellulose and fit it into the enzyme substrate and start clipping them, basically chopping them off into simple sugars.

Speaker 1

15:11

So Doug, maybe you can kind of clarify for some of us that are less science minded like myself, where would we see cellulose in nature, like, it's mostly in plant matter, right?

Speaker 2

15:23

Matters, yeah. Like, for example, plant matter the hairs that the dead root hair tissue. You know, plant has hairs, and those hairs falls off fairly frequently. And so when they fall off, those are mostly composed of cellulose. And if you don't get the root zone clean, that's when you start encouraging pathogens formation by having an enzyme like cellulase in there. It actually helps not only clean those dead root haired debris, but it actually converts those into simple sugar, which can then be uptake by the plant as nutrients, essentially cuts it into like glucose, right? Sugar, exactly.

Jordan River

16:04

So I've never really put that together. That makes a lot of sense when you have these long glucose chains that form cellulose, like you said, if you were to just leave those alone with no cellulase, is that undesirable? Because then it hangs around for so long and starts to kind of decompose for so long, and could possibly go anaerobic and a pathogen begins to form, versus chopping it up, like you said, into small pieces, allows it to kind of break down faster. And, like you said, just be turned into energy right away. Is that the idea

Speaker 2

16:35

correct? Because the large molecule cannot be absorbed by a plant, and so you break it down, you got to be able to feed the plants, not only the plants, but if you're actually using any microbes, beneficial microbes, it'll actually feed those as well too. And when you feed those beneficial microbes, they're going to start populate, you know, multiply, yeah,

Speaker 1

16:54

and breeding new enzymes. And then, you know, the cycle. The whole

Jordan River

16:59

cycle continues. I mean, I understood that it that it was feeding the good biology and kind of depriving the bad biology. But I never linked it to the idea that it's a it's a long cellulose chain of, like you said, glucose molecules, and all you got to do is chop those up, essentially, and then the problem basically fixes itself. Yeah, that is fascinating. So cellulase is being produced by microbes in nature all the time. You just concentrate it into a bottle with your product. Is essentially how it works.

Speaker 2

17:29

Exactly these, uh, enzymes, as you say, like cellulase and others, they're produced by, you know, microorganisms. And as exactly like you said, we just, we just concentrate it and trade it and put it in a bottle, yeah, which

Speaker 1

17:41

is important with, like, the more that people get into indoor growing and greenhouse growing, and all the different medias that are being used, right? Like, a lot of those medias don't, not like they would naturally have it in the environment, but when we're putting in cocoa or soil or rock wall, they're not going to have, innately, those microbes and those enzymes. So we're adding them back in, basically, right?

Jordan River

18:05

Well, and, I mean, think about people who like chop and drop their leaves, right? And say, you have a really good growth. That's a lot to rely on the microbes to keep up with all that enzyme production, exactly. I think it's good to have that boost occasionally. I also use sugars the same way, you know, to give them a little boost occasionally, yeah. Now I saw something else when I was looking into enzymes and hydrozyme, which was hemicellulase. Is that super similar to cellulase? How does that differ?

Speaker 2

18:30

Yeah, I mean hemicellulase, obviously. Then the substrate for that is hemicellulose. So hemicellulose is very similar to cellulose, except that the compositional is different hemicellulose, I compose a diverse sugars. So you can include like five carbon sugars. So glucose is has six carbons, so whereas the hemicellulose could have five carbon sugars and things like that. So if you have hemicellulose, it's not going to be able to degradate by cellu lace, but it will be able to liquidate by heavy cellulase. So is that very specific substrate, enzyme like lock and key theory again, but Leanne

Jordan River

19:09

asked a good question last time. What does that look like in nature? Is that also just different types of plant matter, or is it like a specific that's

Speaker 2

19:16

also a different type of plant matter as well, as well too? Yeah, yeah, got

Speaker 1

19:19

it. I think that's kind of the key with enzyme products. You know, there's a lot of different enzyme products out there, and we get the question all the time, like, what makes hagerzyme different? What makes it unique? And really, for anyone interested in enzyme products, I would suggest just go and look at the label and see what enzymes they have listed, and knowing that each enzyme is very specific to the substrate that it's intended to break down, that's going to give you a really good idea of what that product is going to do in your grow and how effective it's going to be. That's

Jordan River

19:52

true. Some enzyme products do not list their enzymes, though. Leanne one thing I like about hygrozyme is you guys know what's in your product. You. And you talk about it, you know what? I mean? I know, I know a lot of people just leave it out. So it's cool that we can explore these on air and talk about these. Yeah.

Speaker 2

20:07

I mean, we list not only the enzyme, but we list the activity, yeah, the unit activity of the enzyme and on as well, too. So, so yeah, xylanase

Jordan River

20:16

was another one that I saw on there. And then, you know what? That one's got a cool name. It's got to do something cool.

Speaker 2

20:23

Xylene is very similar. You know, it's also decomposed sugar, but this one actually decomposes sugar called xylen and then. But xylene is actually just a subtype or hemicellulose, but it's mostly composed of xylose residue, which is basically a five sugar carbons, right, right? So it's a, it's a subtype of hemicellulose, and it is also a plant matter as well, too. So, you know, it's not like, oh, plant matter just composed cellulose. That's it as what nature is all complex. So it has different forms. And this is one of the forms as well, too. That

Jordan River

21:02

makes a lot of sense, especially, like I said, if you're adding a lot of organic matter into your living soil, these are the types of things you should be thinking about. How to break them down faster and speed up that cycle. Big things going on at growcast. We have a key lime madness FEM seed drop happening today. As you're hearing this, that's right, we are dropping the incredible key lime madness pollination. We got over a dozen strains available for you in feminized form. I know you guys love that. This key lime madness is so special, and it's available probably later today, as this drops grow cast.com/seeds will bring you right there. And check out the new website while you're there, we have the grand vino hunt coming up on 215 That's February 15, where the whole growcast membership community is going to be hunting through a variety of genetics, and someone's going to win 1000 bucks. We just wrapped up round one. Shout out to Sherm. He's a member who took down $1,000 for his peach smash vino. And you want to get in to membership in February, because with this round of the fino hunt, you can pop any seeds in your collection. It's a battle royale. Anything you got, old stuff, rare stuff, come and join us. Or grab that key lime madness baby and hunt those. We're going to try to get them out as fast as we can. Hopefully we'll get you yours in time for the hunt. I would not count on that, because I think it's going to be a very big drop, but get in on it. You know what? I mean, that's the fun of the Battle of the Battle Royale. Members also get $20 off per pack. So there's never been a better time to join membership. Growcast.com, join the membership, get the code, grab the seeds. You're gonna love this drop. It's riser Rich's best work by far. A bunch of good crosses up there. I recommend the LA Kush cross, the truffle cake number two cross, or the purple milk cross, probably at the top of my list, but they all look amazing, so go check it out. Grow cast.com. Grow cast.com/seeds/membership go and get it everybody. Thank you so much to all the members. Thank you to you listeners. Enjoy those awesome feminized genetics. Huge shout out to rise. Oh rich. Go grab his best work yet. I'll see you there. Grow, cast.com,

Jordan River

23:08

we talk about enzyme products. We're right here. We might as well just just go on to this question that has been burning in my mind for a long time. I take a look at these enzyme products like you said, sometimes they have the name of the enzyme on the back. Sometimes they don't. What I do see a lot is citric acid in these products. All the time, I see citric acid. Sometimes you look at the ingredients and the only thing that they're listing is citric acid. What's the deal, to quote Jerry Seinfeld, with citric acid and enzyme products, is it some sort of stabilizer? Why am I seeing so much citric acid in these types of products?

Speaker 2

23:43

I think citric acid, it has a number of different function. So one citric acid itself is actually, you can call citric acid a key later as well too, but it's very weak key later. But citric acid is also used a lot in formulation for Buffer, like to get the right pH balance, and that's important for formulating product, like enzyme products, because you want a certain pH range so that the enzyme could be stable, right? We'll talk, we'll talk about that later. And so it's mostly for that purposes, at least in our parts.

Speaker 1

24:19

Yeah, it's mostly used as an inert Right, yeah, yeah. So

Jordan River

24:23

it's a non active ingredient that's being used to, like you said, keep the parameters kind of stable in there. That's another thing that people, I think again, when you think about taking care of these products, storing these products like a micro microbial solution is different. You might have living microbes in there, you might have dormant microbes in there, but the enzymes. You basically just want to keep these chemical compounds stable in there, correct and and the pH is important, like you say, yeah, what happens to what? Why? Why is the pH important? Like, what happens to the enzymes If the pH gets too low or too high? Yeah.

Speaker 2

24:55

So both pH and as as well as also temperature to really create. Call parameters for products with enzymes. So when the pH gets either too low or too high, what you got to start to do is you get to denature. Remember what I mentioned earlier, that enzyme, composer proteins, and they have this 3d if you like tertiary structures. So if you have the pH either too high or too low, you got to start denature the protein. Essentially, you got to render the enzyme inactive. You got to start, almost, if you like, decompose your structures,

Jordan River

25:30

right? So it's just kind of tear apart the molecular structure,

Speaker 2

25:33

exactly. And each enzyme, typically, the enzyme, as it relates to pH, will have a bell shaped kind of curve, right? So you see, okay, this enzyme might have an optimal pH around six, and then seven is still active, but might be like, say, not as active. And then five might be active, but not as active. And then eventually, if you go further to either the right or the left of the bell shaped curve, it will become inactive.

Speaker 1

26:00

And that's from like a formulation perspective. But there's also, you know, targeting the pH of the mix that makes a lot of growers have a target pH. So we also want to make sure that we're coming up with a formulation that is keeping the active ingredient safe and keeping them in the spec that they need to be, while also making it easy for the grower to incorporate it into their mix without having to adjust pH too hard, yeah, because

Speaker 2

26:26

we want to make sure that the product could be used in, as Leanne said, with the goals other product like tank mix, right? Is very important, right? You don't want, we don't want people to use products separately. We want to, you know, every grow, I know one like to tank makes everything if it possible, because obviously it makes things easier. So want to make sure that it's compatible from that sense as well. That

Jordan River

26:47

is what was going to be my next question, which is, I'm sure, just like microbes, these enzymes are probably super unique, and that pH probably differs. But you can't have one that's like, Oh, we got this great enzyme. It boosts photosynthesis. It boosts everything you need. It's, uh, you put it in a pH 9.5 Right, right? Then you're like, oh, no, this is going to swing off. This is mess up my whole, my whole game. So you got to keep it in that sweet spot. I'd imagine that nature kind of works itself out, though, where I are, a lot of the beneficial enzymes kind of in that sweet spot, yes, close to six. You know what I mean, your

Unknown Speaker

27:19

nature is pretty smart that way, right? On

Unknown Speaker

27:22

that one, it's funny how

Jordan River

27:24

that works. All the aerobic bacteria work in harmony together. That's so funny.

Speaker 1

27:28

It's almost like it was designed that way. It's great. Sometimes it makes

Jordan River

27:31

you think, like it was almost designed that way. We had never thought of that. And people do say this with the effectiveness of enzyme products. They say, if you don't get the pH of the application solution, right? Yeah, sometimes it'll be you're basically wasting your product. Is that fair to say? That's

Speaker 1

27:45

fair to say for sure. Yeah, we do like to keep our ranges pretty wide for our products. We've made them pretty stable that way. But yeah, definitely, the pH can affect the efficacy of the products, for sure. And then what

Jordan River

27:58

about temperature? Is a little heat good to keep the enzymes moving and grooving. Or does it differ on the enzyme temperature

Speaker 2

28:04

is also important, similar to say pH, it's kind of like a bell shaped Curtis or two generally, I would say for at least for storage. The product generally recommends store room temperature. Of course, room temperature here could be different than room temperature in somewhere else. So my recommendation is always like, somewhere around below 25 Celsius or 77 Fahrenheit, below that. In our case, that product is actually good for three, two and a half years, for high resign, yeah, if you keep it at that temperature. And of course, if you go to extreme temperature, like really hot, you're going to denature the enzyme. You got to inactivate it, right? And so we always encourage people to keep the enzyme store at a proper storage locations the environment, and that will help to prolong the shell life.

Jordan River

28:55

So what happens if your enzymes get frozen over?

Speaker 2

28:59

Good question. Interesting, frozen over is actually good for the enzymes get out of here. If you can actually store your product in the freezer, you probably extend the product much longer than two and a half year. The problem is, yeah, it's inconvenient, right for the end user. Like, you know when you want to come use it, it's frozen now you're gonna pour it out. But if you do get product that's frozen, you can actually just thaw it back to room temperature, to the liquid state, and don't use extreme heat. You can use lukewarm water, yeah, thaw it back to room temperature. Once it's back to room temperature, it's good to go. We have done that experiment many times, but for us, when we ship out large quantity of the products, we actually use shippers that's actually heat protected. So we heat protect the product so when the end user receive it still in a liquid form, yes,

Speaker 1

29:53

and what Doug is saying about the freezing that is for specifically, hygrozine with those ends. Because they're not living. It's a totally different story. When you get into some of our other products, like hydro bend, with the beneficial microbes, very product specific on the temperature. You

Jordan River

30:12

don't want the bacteria in hydro bend to be killed, necessarily. But would you say that in is this kind of the case with enzymes in general, the freezing thing, yeah,

Speaker 2

30:22

and then that's where you're not going to do any damage to the enzymes. When you actually freeze, is actually, it's benefit you put along the shell. Like, it's really a inconvenient use, like when someone right, like when I go to want to use a bottle off, it's ozen, right? So it's really, yeah, perspective. But

Jordan River

30:39

still, there you guys have dropped a couple of really great tips when it comes to just again thinking about enzymes and how they work. So store, like you said, kind of a cool, dry place, like they always say for similar to micro products, right out of sunlight, I'm sure about things like that, right? That is really, really fascinating about the freezing over. Any final thoughts on M times before we move on to some other things I want to talk about here, like, IPM, I

Speaker 1

31:07

have a question for Doug. Actually, yep. Doug, we talked about, obviously, the temperatures for storage. Is there any difference when we talk about the temperatures of the solution itself, like if we're making a tank mix, is there any benefit to hot water versus cold water versus room temperature water? Can you tell us about that?

Jordan River

31:25

Oh, great question. Leanne, I'm gonna need you to host the show for a few episodes. For

Speaker 2

31:30

enzymes. For enzymes, yes, you don't want to use like, boiling water, right? Because, as I alluded earlier, if you're using boiling water, you are going to inactivate the enzyme, right? I would imagine most, most of the glow uses like, just like the top water or the RO water, which is probably fairly neutral, meaning like, Temperature wise, yeah, room temperature. And those are fine, right? So hot water is definitely not recommended. And if you are going to use hot water, let's say I know some nutrient out there that they say, okay, use hot water to dissolve it right, right, right. Then let it cool down, cool down, and then before you feel right. So it's important that if you are using enzyme product or microbial product, that if I go to tank mates with nutrients, some of the nutrients out there, there are instruction that they say, dissolve it in hot water. Mainly is because it can dissolve faster to speed, right? Especially for powder nutrients. Then you know, you want to wait until at least cool down to room temperature before you add in these enzyme products or microbial products, because

Unknown Speaker

32:33

the plants themselves won't love hot water. Yeah, don't feed your plants hot water.

Jordan River

32:39

No. But to your point, though, the cold water won't affect it so much, right? No, so if you you know, let's say you don't want to water plants with super cold water either, but let's say you're coming out of the tap right out in the basement when it's cold, but that's not going to affect the enzymes. No, that's

Speaker 2

32:54

not going to affect the activity of the enzyme. Yeah, but yeah, the plant might not like it, but it certainly is not going to affect the efficacy of the

Jordan River

33:00

product. Very, very cool. You guys. I love the research stuff. All day. I could talk about this type of thing, me too. That's awesome. You rock Doug, well, listen, let's keep it going. Then I want to talk about hygro punch, because I've been thinking about our last episode ever since we did it, and how cool it is that you get to just test. You get to do what a lot of people who are listening to the show would like to the show would like to do for a living, which is, you get to take different essential oils and test them against pests and see which ones are the most effective. How neat, how interesting. And of course, you talked about how you settled on cinnamon oil and how that's what you ended up using in hygropunch, which, by the way, I love for scent purposes, makes it smell much better than a lot of the other products out there. Yeah,

Speaker 1

33:42

we've gotten a lot of feedback on the scent. It's actually really funny. My favorite is that people always say it smells like Christmas, which I

Jordan River

33:49

love. It's true. That's exactly right. Smells like, yes, yeah, like cinnamon cookies. So it's like Christmas, ginger bread. Yeah, exactly. So I just want to know what else you learned during this trial, dog. Anything else you learned, like, like, why you settled on cinnamon? What type of repellent purposes were considered? If there were any oils that did really well against a specific pest, or were they all pretty much the same? I would just love to hear anything else you were interested in about these trials. Those

Speaker 2

34:15

are all good questions. Let me take you back to the beginning. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, we just say, okay, you know, pick some oil, and this is the one. So, you know, what we did was, as you mentioned, Jordan, we screen, actually, many oils. We looked at two important things, efficacy and safety. And so safety is important. When I say safety, I mean phyto talks. Does that actually like, burn the plant, lot of essential oil burner plant. I mean, I would say every single essential oil burn plant, depending on the concentration. So we did a lot of screening to find, sort of like the optimal dosage, where we don't get phyto but we get efficacy, right, right? It's a balance, right? So you always have to balance. Those two parameters.

Speaker 1

35:01

And just to clarify what you just said, Doug, it's not the oils themselves that is harming the plant or causing the phytotoxicity, right? It's the oils combined with the light. Is that correct?

Speaker 2

35:10

Exactly? Yeah. Although, if you use extremely high oil content, it can also too. So that's why we always recommend apply the product, you know, with the lights off, and if you do an outdoor obviously doing early in the morning or in the evening. I mean, even even water itself can cause vital if you go spray water on the plant outside when it's like, say, 40 Celsius degrees, it'll also cost vital as well, too. So, but in terms of, like, how we settle on cinnamon oil. We also have thyme oil in there as well too. And so what we did was we test phytotoxicity And we test efficacy, and we try to find that balance where we say, okay, at these concentration of the two oil, and then at these dosage, they give us what we're looking for in terms of efficacy as well as in terms of safety. That makes

Jordan River

36:03

sense, balancing which ones are most gentle on the plant. And was that kind of the deciding factor? I kind of imagined that that all of these oils are probably going to kill a thrip pretty well. There was there any, like, magical standouts, like, wow, spider mites hate peppermint oil, or anything like that. So

Speaker 2

36:18

not necessary. Oh, there are some oil that we screen. It didn't work, efficacy. Why? So we you gotta remember this essential oil. So the essential oil contains two important component, the oil component, which every single essential oil will have, right? They're similar the oil, but there are actually organic compounds in these oil. Those actually the component that does the real business. So, for example, in cinnamon oil, the main component i cinnamon aldehyde, it's actually an organic molecule, and that is the, really, what we call the active ingredient, almost in there. And it's contains, like, there's around 70% of that in that oil. And then, for example, in thyme oil, which is also another oil in hydro punch, thymol is the active ingredient. So the oil does play a portion of it, but the organic compound in these oils also is very, very important. See,

Jordan River

37:17

there you go. I thought it was just more of like a smothering process, cinnamaldehyde, which sounds gnarly, I'm sure if your tiny little might getting covered in it, you know what I mean, your whole body's covered in it, which comprises between 60 and 90% of cinnamon oil.

Speaker 2

37:32

And so, as you say, Jordan, like you correct that the oil does cause suffocation of the insect by blocking their breathing hole and things like that. But some of these organic compounds in there, what they do is they actually disrupt the cell membranes in fungals and causes cell inhibitions, and ultimately, you know, cell death,

Jordan River

37:54

interesting, so specifically when it comes to fungal stuff, ooh, yeah.

Speaker 1

37:59

So part of the reason, if I'm understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, Doug, but part of the reason we went with the combination of oils that we went with is they all have basically multiple modes of action, yeah. And that is what helps our product from building up a resistance, right? Or from pests building a resistance to our product, that's

Speaker 2

38:20

correct. I mean, like essential oil in particular, in our case, these are well known that have multiple modes of actions. And when you have a product that has different modes of actions, the pest or the fungal, it's gonna, it's gonna be less likely to have resistance over time, right?

Jordan River

38:38

So that's why you don't just extract cinnamaldehyde and have exactly that's why you use exactly

Speaker 2

38:43

it. And you know, we have, as I said, we have tested these products, obviously, on cannabis. We tested powdery mildew on cannabis. We tested spider mites on cannabis as well. And we tested on some a non cannabis product as well too. You know, things like cucumber, pepper, strawberry is really

Jordan River

39:01

cool. Man, you're growing everything in the name of science, yeah? So use it on anything like all your products, right? There's not a single product in your line that you're not using in your veggie garden, right? Exactly,

Speaker 2

39:11

exactly, yeah, yeah. That's great. And we have, we have, like, non cannabis users using these Barak as well do out there, yeah,

Speaker 1

39:18

yes, yeah. There's a lot of exotic flower users out there. Our products seem to work really, really well for those, for things like orchids and other tropicals, greenhouse crops, like your tomato, strawberries, etc, all of our products are super compatible with indoor, outdoor all kinds of crops.

Speaker 2

39:35

And I use it in my garden once, once I have a garden going again in the spring. Oh

Jordan River

39:40

yeah, me too. I'm a veggie garden. I've never been good with, uh, ornamental flowers, like really nice ornamental flow. That's tough. That's tough. Growing. They are, they are tough. Yeah, you know, cannabis is one thing, but, uh, I'll use my high resign, and it'll help, definitely help give me a fighting chance. Listen, there's so much I want to talk about. We're actually pretty limited on time here, so I want to make sure we get in the points that that we have to cover. I. I've been getting a lot of good reviews on high clean the line cleaners. So I want to continue the talk on enzymes and also move into like acids, right? Because, you know, maybe you can talk Doug about the difference between those two things, because they seem very similar. These like two catalysts that tend to break things down. If you look at products like line cleaners or root flushing agents. A lot of times they have either an enzyme or an acid or maybe sometimes both, I don't know. So do you want to talk on high clean a little bit, and what's in high clean compared to other products?

Speaker 2

40:31

Yeah, I mean, definitely can talk a little bit. I would, you know, high clean and I would say hypercholic acid. They're different. I would say they're almost complimentary, if you like, in a way. They can be, they can be complimentary in a way. And so the mechanism of action is different than the assets. We have a proprietary key later in there. So what, what that does is actually it, it's really effective and efficient in removing bill up, or salt and minerals, and also too, it's really effective of a wide pH range, right? And so doesn't really matter what the pH is. Actually works from pH two to all the way to pH. Love it, of course. You know, the growers never go extreme low either way. And it's also compatible. One of the best thing about high clean is that it's compatible with beneficial organism and enzymes. Whereas hypochloric acid is very like, yeah, it's very tricky with that. You have to be staying very low PPM to that because it can hyper close acid. It can kill the enzymes. It can also kill your, uh, beneficial microbes as well. Yeah,

Jordan River

41:44

you got to forgive me, last time we were on you, you talked about this. You said how high clean was was really neither like an enzyme or an acid, right? It is a chelator, yeah. Is that correct? So that okay, you answered that last time. I do remember that all accomplishing the same things, though, right? Yes, fascinating to think about. Yeah,

Speaker 1

42:02

high clean is a very unique product. And I think, to go back to your question, Jordan about why is high clean superior? I mean, I think there's a time and a place for both being high clean and an acid product like hypochorous acid, if you need to wipe out pathogens or completely disinfect like your whole system, then yes, hypochlorous acid or hydrogen peroxide or something like that is going to be your best bet. But if you're looking for something to keep your lines clean, prevent build up, prevent clogging and increase your nutrient uptake, and do all of that while keeping your lines clean, while maintaining your quality and your terpenes and your trichome content microbes. Yeah, that's where high clean shines.

Speaker 2

42:53

Yeah, it's gentleness, for sure. And also, too, I would, uh, add in early and that. You know, we also have people that want to give the lines a deep clean in between growth cycles and and it's in our label in that, in that particular case, you can go much higher than so like doing a grow. And also, too, we have how people using it as a flush at the end, it really like, when you use it as a flush, it really brings down the EC down, like, down to, like, whatever the Eco your water is using, essentially, yeah,

Speaker 1

43:26

which also means you're using less water. So if you're using something like RO water can get really, really expensive. So by using something like high clean, it's going to allow you to use less water and drop your EC faster. It also produces, like, really, really clean white ash.

Jordan River

43:43

That is fascinating, and that makes sense because it's a chelator. So you take a look at a lot of the flushing agents out there, and you'll see enzymes, and you'll see old school stuff, like Yucca extract, right? Yeah, but you don't really see, like, high clean just being a chelating agent used for cleaning lines and then flushing. So I like that. You're right. This kind of puts it in a unique category. This is really cool. Use it as a flushing agent. I've been getting good reviews on this stuff. People say they've been putting it on everything, like salt. Yeah? People loving the high clean. So I'm gonna try it as a flushing agent. Next that makes sense, that it would drop your receipt. I love that. Yeah, that's

Speaker 1

44:18

my favorite thing about high clean. Is there's so many different ways to use it. I've gotten so many stories over the years of like, cleaning bathrooms, cleaning tanks, putting in, do you humidifiers? Like, it's healthy. I use it

Unknown Speaker

44:30

to clean my bathroom, shower doors

Jordan River

44:31

and stuff. Yeah, that's what he was saying. He said he used it as, like, a household cleaner, yeah, yeah. It works really well.

Speaker 2

44:36

And actually, I use it also to clean my my windshield, on my on my car. It's fantastic.

Jordan River

44:42

That makes a lot of sense. The built up salts in your soil. Yeah, 100% that is wild stuff. That's why I love having you guys on what else do you use in your in your in house grow you're obviously using the hydrozyme line. Do you use anything else? What are you growing in?

Speaker 2

44:57

Well, you're using, of course, we. Well, we're using our product. We want to do more testing our product, you know. Want to optimize, you know, we want to give the goal, to give them the best information, or our product. And so now, because, as Leanne said, you know, in the last six months to a year or so, we release nutrient A and B. Now we have hyper punch. So now we're so like, have a product in each of the general category, crop nutrition, crop biomeds and crop protection. Uh,

Jordan River

45:28

you know what? We might just have to do a little tour for a grow cast TV for the members or something. Just pop on and show us this garden, because I know my oh yeah, you're awesome. Leanne, all right, freaking rock.

Speaker 1

45:38

We'll go ahead and we'll do a live. I'll walk around with my cell phone

Speaker 2

45:41

more than happy to turn you around. Doug,

Jordan River

45:45

you got to be there too, man. Of course, we want Leanne to host, but we got to see what this grow is like. No, you guys are amazing. Seriously. Appreciate it. Now. You know we love a good teaser, getting breaking info here on grow cast is one of my favorite things. My listeners love it. Can you, how far can you go talking about possibly another new Pro, I can't believe it, but another new product dropping. All

Speaker 1

46:06

I can really say is that we will have a product launch in 2025 okay, we'll have some new stuff coming. I can't reveal too much about what it's going to be or when yet, but all I can say is, keep an eye on our socials. Um, keep up to date here with girl cast. I'm sure you'll be shouting it out Jordan when it happens. So yeah, we'll

Jordan River

46:30

get it out of you on the member show. Get in membership where we where we are able to pry more information out of folks when they feel safe. I think it's high growth clone. That's my guess. I'm putting it in right now. Leanne will have a good poker face, like last time we were guessing. So you won't, you won't be able to tell right off the bat, but I think it's hygro clone. Keep us, keep us posted on that. Looking forward to that, and thank you for the pre teaser. Yeah, now I guess, yeah, exactly. Betting pool is open. Anything else here? We're going to talk about the grand final hunt, round two for just a second. But any final thoughts, any final words or updates before we wrap.

Speaker 1

47:09

We have a lot planned for 2025 so like I said, for anyone that's interested, keep an eye on our LinkedIn, our Instagram, we're at high rezyme on both of those platforms. We'll be posting about some upcoming events. I think we'll be in Boston this year. We'll be in Vegas towards the end of the year again, and some local events as well. And I'm sure more popping up between now and the end of the year that we've just started. So yeah, just keep an eye on things, and we hope you join us on the ride. And yeah, at hagerz, I'm on Instagram, and hagerz, I'm on LinkedIn.

Jordan River

47:44

And don't forget Leanne. Hagerz, I'm as well the personal account. Don't forget to shout out the love there. Yeah,

Speaker 1

47:51

hagerz, I'm underscore. Leanne on Instagram is my personal hygrzyme account.

Jordan River

47:57

And then what about Doug? Where are you at? Man, I'm gonna be gonna be in the lab. Are you gonna be in the go? Oh, you're on LinkedIn. Okay,

Speaker 2

48:03

I'm on LinkedIn. Yeah, I'm definitely on LinkedIn. I'm always on LinkedIn. That's Doug

Jordan River

48:06

chow on LinkedIn. Go ahead and give a follow, everybody. Thank you too. So much. This was a dope episode, and again, I want to thank you one more time for sponsoring round two of the grand final hunt. And you always do such a good job on the show. You guys have a wonderful rest of your weekend. And if there's anything that growcast can do for hydrozyme, you reach out to us

Speaker 1

48:24

absolutely. Thank you so much. Jordan, like I said at the beginning, we love getting to work with you, and we're always willing to come on and do another episode, and we can't wait to keep working with you and see all the results of the next you know, hunt, I can't wait to see all the

Jordan River

48:40

pictures. Sounds fantastic. Thank you so much. Leanne, Thank you, Doug. I appreciate you both. Thank you, Jordan. All right, stick around real quick. We will talk for a minute after the show, and you listeners, we'll see you next time. Stay tuned. We have some great stuff planned coming at you on growcast Podcast. Growcast.com is the website there you'll find everything. Go and check it out. Come check out membership. Get in before the hunt starts. 215 I'll see you there, everybody, that's it for now. This is Doug and Leanne and Jordan all signing off saying, Be safe out there, everybody, and never grow alone. Bye, bye. That's our show. Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. Thank you to Doug and Leanne from high resign. I appreciate them so much. Really cool episode. I know you enjoyed it. Before we wrap it up, make sure you check out growcast.com We've got some big stuff coming. Not only do we have the key lime madness FEM drop happening today. Go and check that out, but jump into membership. Not only will you get $20 off per pack of the new drop, but also you'll get all the amazing benefits and access to the grand finah Hunt starts February 15. Come pop some seeds with us. Hunt some Gen X. You might just win 1000 bucks, and plus we got a bunch of other side prizes, tons of prizes to be had, not just the grand prize of $1,000 so come and grow with us. We've got the most positive, thriving community in cannabis. It's all waiting for you@growcast.com it's so much better now too. If you are an ex member, come. And check out the improvements. I implore you, come and check out the improvements. You'll love what you find@growcast.com that's all for today. Everybody. Thank you so much. I appreciate each and every one of you. Be safe out there, be well, and we'll see you next time bye, bye. Everybody. You

Jordan River

50:26

I don't know if I really put that together that you guys are growing cannabis. That's awesome. Canada sounds awesome. You know, like, where's the grow? Cast, research license? You.

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