No, I have been writing for a long time since probably about 13 or 14 years old. There is a story that I finished as an adult that I started at that age. So I think that I was a very active reader at that time. And a few years later, I thought this is really what I want to do and started to be more serious about it more serious about my reading and how that affected the quality of my writing. And yeah, so that's it and historical fiction is actually my first love. The nonfiction has come about sort of by accident as part of just being into the research facet of it and then finding stories. And I have a book that's coming out. It's actually out now for order through University Press of Mississippi and Amazon called Waiting in desegregation on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. It's about the desegregation of the beaches in Biloxi where I grew up just one generation ahead of me. It also covers the desegregation of the Biloxi schools Biloxi was actually the first elementary school in Mississippi to be desegregated. There were other schools that were on the same lawsuit, but Biloxi opened its doors first. So it was a big, tense moment to see if that was going to go well in comparison to other states. And it did go well, but that history is in the book as well. And that also happened by accident. I had applied to graduate school in Corvallis and wasn't accepted. And I was like, Well, what am I going to do for a year? I need to build my resume. And so I thought about what could I tell? Quickly fiction it takes a lot longer but there's no boundary and so as that nonfiction there's boundaries and my intention, when what I did was to write children's story about it, I thought, what history do I know that has not been told enough and certainly not to a younger audience and it was the Biloxi wait ends. When I was growing up in Biloxi, even though you have to study civil rights history and state history, I don't remember that we ever talked about it. I was an adult when I found out that that had happened. So I wrote a children's book, and I submitted it to the University Press of Mississippi. And I had done my research, I believed that they published children's books. But they kindly wrote me back and said, We don't publish children's books. If you want to write this as a full story, we are interested. So I said to my husband, I can do nothing else. Don't talk to me for the next few months. Nobody take care of everything, and did all the research in about five months to put together that book. So that first book that you wrote, what was that experience, like writing that first book, especially doing historical nonfiction, which you I don't think you had intentions of doing that. What was that experience? Like? It's different. I mean, this is the not the first book I've written. It's the first one who's being published by somebody else. I've also self published a couple books, but they were not professionally edited. So I don't promote them. That was just more for like self, to be able to say like, you can start a project and you can finish a project and to move on and learn from that experience. It is a different kettle of fish. It is its own sort of addictive adrenaline to research, newspapers and records and find what you want. That's like a treasure hunting experience. You definitely get like a burst of adrenaline when you find something. But there's not like the same feedback of the sort of magical feedback of fiction. It's more like doing a puzzle, if you really like to do puzzles, which I do, and not so much of the art, which I also of course, love. And it's an honor, it's very much an honor to deal with people's stories who maybe had not been told and maybe would have been left behind that's especially especially I don't know is any story, but the waiting and of course in the civil rights history, and just in general brights and seeing that we treat each other well and everything and telling that story is like really an honor.