General Meeting comfortable starting at 6:24pm. Okay, so as stated previously by just for the record Steering Committee did not meet on time. And because we did not meet on time, we thought it would only be fair to just go ahead and only put in the default agenda. Which is this. At the previous meeting, we forgot to make a motion to include this in our bylaws. We're not going to do it this time, because again, it just doesn't seem fair to add anything to the agenda this week. So we'll save it for next week. But it is the proposed order of business that Robin prepared according to Robert's Rules, so I feel like it's okay to go with even though we can have a full steering meeting. Any questions, concerns? Or you move on?
Yeah, okay. Meeting leaders. Were everyone else everyone. Robbie still missing. Missing? He still was bomb. So is she doing any better? Yeah, so she was she seemed to be doing a lot better. She's back in Lodi. She was sitting up we went me and John on windows here. So yeah, and thank you to Paulo for preparing a called, like a package for Robbie, and also getting a card that everyone signed for the price last week. Yeah, she was sitting up. She was talking. I think she probably still has trouble walking around. But she seemed in good spirits compared to, you know, kind of the condition that we've heard about her being in. So yeah,
to be honest, good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Good. Okay.
Yeah, I believe quorum was four, or is it? No, I think it's four. I think we decided on four.
Okay. So we're okay. All right. intros everyone knows each other. Approval minutes. Thank you to Paulo for publishing the minutes for the 25th meeting. I think also the 14th meeting. But we didn't approve either one. Last one. So motion to approve both minutes with unless anyone has any modifications or challenges to what was posted online.
Can be second. Can I second? You can't fall second.
It needs to be Alyssa Joanna or Paulo.
Yeah, I didn't know if it could be me. Because I'm got it. Second. Yeah, there we go.
All right. Well, let's back into it. Everyone in favor? Or anyone that said disagree. Say no. No. Okay. No nose. Acid. This is very unprofessional compared to a paladin last week.
Oh, yeah. Follows. Steroid. It. Yeah, he killed it.
And talk about this. Anyone else have any reports?
No, I mean, the usual.
Okay. People the cameras off, please raise your hand. If you do have any. Um, okay. Reports, officers. Secretary Robbie, in terms of emails that we got for you, our committee we got some emails about. So, me Riley and Lucas onboarded Ewok. And I think there's, we're on for the schedule for the training in November, which will be 25th. Just for this for weekends. So I think it's every weekend in November. Okay. And then I think there might be like one more orientation. But other than that, we haven't done anything else we walk. I think we're just waiting to go to the training before we meet with North Central Valley. So that's the only update for that. Membership coordinator.
Not a whole lot changed. Let's see. Yeah, not a lot has changed. I think we're basically in the same as what we were before. I think the one thing that we talked about last week was trying to get everyone into the WhatsApp group, because there's a bunch of people either missing from it, or who just like don't have access to it or whatever. So if you have a phone and you have or you have one theater and you have you want to get on the WhatsApp group? Just let us know. You know. And or if you have contact with any of the other members, you know, and they want to be participate, let us know. And we'll add them. I don't think there's anything else was there I might have forgotten something. So, Alyssa okay. Once again where's my phone?
Yeah, just you can DM her the link, I think. Yeah, yeah. And once we're trying to figure out a way to get WhatsApp messages out to, you know, email or whatever folks that don't. Yeah, we don't want to do it. But that's still on our Oh.
Well, no, that's normally okay. Yeah, I think that's it, basically.
Okay. And her campaign coordinator. Yeah, since we don't really have a dedicated section for this coming up. We're just doing tenant organizing. I think we're done with about three fifths of the neighborhood. That's right. Last time we went we got through a street. Unfortunately, Chris, Christian, he got stuck on one person. But I think if we go to times, again, we should be able to finish especially at least more or less, are there?
I don't see that happening again, which I think I think some of us are bound to get held up by that situation. So
yeah, I think you've been drawn on power, like, talk to a few people for extended time, but I think those are useful conversations. Yeah. I'm like, but um, but yeah. So what I wanted to do at this meeting was, unfortunately, he is not here, and I sent her to be here, but she's not here either. Um, we need at least like one Spanish speaker for one of these events, because I think we're up to like five homes, five units that are Spanish speakers. So we gotta go back to CLS is coordinate dates. What dates work for everyone else? I think we can stick to the evenings for now. We can do weekends or weekdays. But any day we're at least three of us are available to go get that other way now. And if we could do it in the next couple of weeks. That will at least let us sit up.
Yeah. It will be good to see certain on the one up. Let's look at the calendar. Do you want to do you want to work out the schedule at the end?
Sure. I mean, we're near the end anyways, but
yeah. All right. Maybe the nine t next Thursday? I don't think we have any events is taking forever.
I don't think we have anything on
July the 6pm. Again, six to seven. Next Thursday.
And a little earlier.
Yeah, no, I don't mind getting darker. Gotcha.
I'll be back once I can
notice we can try 530 I don't mind 530 Because I get off at five but I'm just curious to get more people i My concern right now is that because Adri is not here we don't like you're saying we don't have a Spanish speaker and we don't have someone that we know is can come we can check the availability against theirs.
Yeah. I mean, we can be hammer
Yeah, this Yeah, I'll do every now.
And then, you know, I might just go out with Sandra then. Okay. On a date. We can't get it out there. Just so we can finish it. Cool. And then we'll probably make the official day for the actual meeting the tenant association meeting and we've got a fair location still. So always put that up online so everyone has a say instead of just during the meetings cool.
I'm Johanna, pen. Lisa, do you want to come in dancing?
Right now I'm a bit tentative. Not sure where I'm gonna work so I don't want to give availability that I can't promise, but I'm listening. Oh, don't go by me.
No worries. I'll I think yeah, for tentative means they'll be next Thursday 536 30 And hopefully they can get what you said to you can go on more, they want more
we cannot do Thursday
possible we could get one day definitively and then go from like one day next week and trying not we should probably
think of a schedule two days I just can't. Said I want to try and get one Spanish speaker
I think if we finish without the Spanish speaker, we can always go back. That's true. We just instead of like the five downs.
Well, but then yeah, let's just do next Thursday for one of them at 530. Just knowing because you said, Okay, you enjoy, I can go.
Well, I don't know that China. Oh,
hey, Harpreet. So you either you need to add me as a admin to the community for the WhatsApp. Or you can grab the the link and send it to Joanna or al assignment sorry.
You do Thursday, but 30 plus. And how will have you Thursday? Yes.
Is that the 19th? Yeah. Yeah, I should be able to do that. Nice.
I don't know yet.
Sorry. No worries. Okay.
Um, how about a second day that you want to check in the next week or next next week?
I feel like it should be the week after. Okay. Just because I just I don't know, playing that far out in terms of availability is difficult. But I like weekdays. I don't know if anyone else has a preference.
Well, yeah, I mean, if someone else wants throw out a definitive date next next week, then and then we can that one can be tentative. Yeah, at least we have a second day plan. Yeah.
Try No, I can't do Wednesdays.
I can basically I can like at least try for if there's any basically any Thursday's. Especially especially after this week, I should be more available. So
that seems to be the day that we're experiment. We should just do the 26th the next Thursday, the following Thursday. And just keep trying to do it. 530 to 630. If if we can get it.
So you guys, the last time you went you covered all the way down you like we did the back street, right. And then you guys went up the one that kind of like went towards the mall, basically. And like wrapped around the corner. So there's like one street left, right? That like both sides of one street? That goes right down the middle of that. And then So Mike, my question is like, once we've like, gone all the way around? Do we want to like go back with like a like, just to see when people are mostly available so that we can like set up a date for them to have a meeting?
Yeah, I think hopefully by next Thursday, and definitely by next next Thursday, we need to have like a location a time set. Yeah. And then maybe on the second Thursday, we can go back to the place that we had already talked to. And minimum leave a note on their door and just be like, this is where it is. Yeah, this is what it is.
Yeah, because that like if we I think that's maybe one of the things we wish to add to the questionnaire for a future can't like surveys is when people are mostly available, like if they're willing to give that information out. Just so we can like schedule meetings that everyone can attend.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's that Other than that, I think treasurer new updates.
I don't know. I know we were waiting on tax forms.
Yeah, we haven't heard back. And I, we got to file the
next court paperwork. Yeah. So yeah.
So are you guys solidified already as a C three? No, we're filing for C four. Okay. We've seen Yeah.
Okay. Oops. Yeah, this is we're not still waiting. Do anything. Okay. Additional comments. Anyone else want to bring anything else up? That was not on the agenda, our default agenda.
Other than the Go ahead.
We, I'm also with CB bipoc. And they want to they're thinking about doing a mass mobilization, being like the rest of the country is in November for stop cop city. And we plan on having a meeting Monday, if anybody wants to attend if you guys are interested in joining
on, let me grab the calendar. Even online.
Yep, online.
What time is it?
It's gonna be it looks like everybody's agreeing for like Monday at five. But I can once I'm in the WhatsApp. I'll update you the Confirm time.
Okay, great. Yeah. Cuz like if it's at five that would be that would be right for the steering committee meeting. So it'd be good timing.
Okay, well, Riley essentially the WhatsApp link, if you can paste it in the chat? Sorry, I can't paste it from here. Yeah, no problem.
Yeah, sounds good.
Okay, well, I don't know if we can bring up an additional thing as during, like, so me and Riley wrote? Oh, yeah, half wrote a letter. Like, as members here to like, finish writing it or edit it. But we're both staring. So I don't know if we can bring it up? No.
I think we, I think we can like, tell them about it. But I think they're gonna have to decide on whether it's like cool or not.
Sure, so I'll just share my screen. And if someone wants to bring it up, then Okay. Otherwise, we will. Table and I think we have our like the other way of adding emergency add to an agenda would be we need like for other people to sign off on it, like we did with the piping. Yeah. Okay, so this is, so basically, I guess I'll just go over it super quick. Over the weekend, a bunch of Hamas fighters broke through the wall around Gaza, which at that point is, you know, liberatory act, and something that should be celebrated. And unfortunately, along the way, some people that crossed the fence ended up killing some innocence now, and then they just released proof that babies were killed and burned. So that happened. On the flip side, now Israel has turned around and it's just leveling, like, literally level in Gaza. And so you have a mix now of where the people, some people on the left are 100% Celebrating what Hamas did as, like the
purely revolutionary act. Yeah.
I would like I think a lot of people disagree with that. But on the flip side, basically everyone in the whole world, besides small pockets of leftists are not saying anything about what's happening to Gaza.
Or even worse, they're just like, yes, Israel destroy
this informing.
And so we wanted to start a petition that was kind of just laid out, you know, whatever, like, facts that we want to lay out or opinions we want to lay out. And then at the end, asked the Congress and the Senate to you know, do a ceasefire and push for humanitarian aid, and stopping military aid is the default and then allow for refugees to push Egypt to accept refugees which they've said no so far, or, Hey, we have two warships over there. or they can take refugees. But yeah, the situation is pretty dire in Gaza. Now, I think everything that I've heard is that people are just huddled in schools and other buildings, and everything else is just getting flattened. So yeah, so this is kind of the draft, I think the first half ish is okay. The second half ish is a work in progress. I think really, at the end, this is kind of laying down, like the moral claim of why we left are trying to stand for, you know, justice and human dignity brah. So we just got a group out of that, but I'll do it.
I think I think the main thing is, is trying to at least put some pressure on people who have the ability to help Palestinians to actually do something to help them be I feel like bare minimum.
But again, I think steering, we can really put this on the floor for a vote. So someone else will have to put it down to the floor vote. But if no one wants to that's okay. And I'll just go about it the other way. But yeah, we can discuss we can still discuss and answer any questions people have or talk about stuff.
Also, if nobody tables, it, or nobody puts it on the floor right now, we're probably going to work on it at the steering committee meeting on Monday still, so unless unless it gets emergency pushed earlier than that. Yeah.
Sorry, you got you guys are looking for a motion to pay? It's not ready yet. Right? No,
not quite. So yeah, the motion would be like for us as a group to work on it. Because I think we had talked about it, we put out anything, you know, we should all work on it, or at least all approve it.
Yeah, we definitely don't want it to be like steering is the only voice of the entire group. That would be so comfortable.
But since this is an add on thing, and since we didn't prepare the agenda properly, I think you know, like, I don't want to put it on the floor, even to us without one of the members saying that they want to discuss it.
Yeah. Yeah. Sub good. Oh, sorry. Sugar for us. I was like what say?
Trying to remember as well subjugate. And there we go. I figured it out.
Nice. All right. Um, pal. you're unmuted. Are you? Were you going to talk?
No, I was waiting for someone to say a clear motion. And then deciding if Okay, so
here, basically, the what, here's what the motion would be. It would be as a group, we would basically write a letter as our as working class unities position on the conflict between Israel and Hamas. And what we would like to see done about that, by basically anybody with the power to do it? Yeah, Joanna, that's fair.
If not, we're going to continue working on it either way. And we can we can bring it back later when it's fully prepared instead of working on his group.
All second, if you want to go over it now, but I had a I just want to make it clear that if you're going to work with it on steering that, you know, everyone can actually come to that meeting, because it's not always clear that like steering is up until like everyone.
Oh, yeah, steering is open to everyone. The issue is that the steering committee meetings are like who can vote the steering committee meetings is restricted though, but they are open to all members.
Well, okay, yeah, we can either do steering or we can. Okay, Paula, discuss on the floor. Let's do that first. So this is not to approve it. This is to discuss it. And someone worked on it. I guess.
So Riley was the first I offered my second to discuss.
Okay, everyone that's in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. And then I think at the end, maybe we can do something like if we make enough progress, where we can work on it online, and then have like a final majority vote online of X number of people. That way, it's kind of async and you don't have to had come to a steering committee meeting just about all of us.
Yeah, that's fair.
And that way hopefully like a I think
that's what we did with the, with the what was it called the Fourth International letter today and was Yeah. We should probably we should probably just come up with like a consistent way of doing that.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think that's probably best. Okay. Anyway, so let's just go through this.
Let's remember that first theory.
So basically, it starts off with We the undersigned, right. You have great concern about the escalating violence Palestine Israel, call for an immediate ceasefire in the US government to use its influence to prosper and the violence. We stand in solidarity with those mourning the loss of loved ones and those dreading what the mounting violence will bring unequivocally condemn all attacks billions, including the recent offenses, pencils, biomass and the near genocidal retaliation being carried out by the State of Israel against Palestinian people trapped in Gaza. the Gaza Strip, aptly referred to as an open air prison is humped over 2 million ballots killing Palestinians, half of them children living under draconian blockade enforced by Israel. This blockade really restricts the movement of central goods and people with Israel controlling what and who enters the exits of government or who enters and exits Gaza. Israel controls God's borders airspace and coastal waters, and holds ultimate responsibility for the conditions inside of it. Over 95% of the water supply is unfit for human consumption. Electricity is sporadic unemployment rates are among the highest in the world and construction of homes and schools limited by restrictions on the import of construction materials. These are the reasons resourceless people that Israel has declared quote war against and then for this we were updating the stats are yet he doesn't need that. Okay. Gaza is the size of in you know, we didn't know how to phrase exactly people sentiment Stockton, want to phrase it as like, I think it's three times the size of Stockton. But it's the size of Philadelphia or Las Vegas, and has three to four times the population. On a sidenote it's one of the most highly dense populations in the world to really Air Force has stated they have dropped quote 6000 bombs against Hamas targets and included images below. I'll link to the tweet in a bit. They've killed over 1000 Palestinians including over 260 children over 4000 injured and over 250,000 people displaced that have been destroying the homes of Devon up tells us that there you go leaving them with nowhere to go. This is nothing more than blood lust and revenge killing it is collective punishment for people who only committed the crime of being born in this 25 bytes. 7.5 mile patch of her Yeah, yeah, I was guessing what the laws were before. Any questions so far?
Oh, so is the second half just like resources.
This was
scratch we were adding some resources just to make sure that we're like not just putting random numbers out there basically.
Yeah, sounds good. I just
Yeah, but I think this was kind of the second half of it. Yeah, yeah. It was the tallow Any questions so far before we move forward? No.
Just on the part where you're saying being carried out by the State of Israel, is there a specific reason why it's state of Israel maybe instead of like Israeli government? Because I don't know I think I feel like saying state of Israel like invites, like the conversation like what are you guys trying to say? Like, are you saying There couldn't be a state of Israel? I don't know. And I feel like saying a government I don't know. I feel like people understand that more like you're not talking about like individual like people who really have no say in how it functions. Yes,
well, this okay. I understand why you Yeah. That's my bad. The state in like in anarchy is like, like analysis. The state is not the people the state's like a separate entity from the people.
But I think for Israeli
I understand I understand why it's confusing, though. Yeah,
I think Israeli government is a good way to kind of surmise.
Yeah, let's, let's finish this without without saying we're colonial. Good luck. Okay, thanks. But all right, that's a good call. Anything else follow?
Up? That's for me.
Okay, so the next section was still a work in progress. But these are kind of the demands. So we just wanted to lay out kind of the, like, this is where a lot of left groups got stuck by just like ignoring what? Like, just that one sentence is really all we're gonna get.
Yeah. It just, it just takes a tiny acknowledgment that Hamas may have done something a little bit bad. And then you can talk about all the bad things that the Israeli government has done. And
yeah, cuz they ended up killing a lot of people who have been working with the Palestinian community. Yeah, it's like out there by the border. It's not just settler. So yeah, it's a lot of people upset that does acknowledge that are very few are anyways. Okay. And so we urge you to work towards de escalation and a ceasefire to send humanitarian aid to Gaza. I think we just should be sent into their semi colon for all of it. To demand Israel restore access to food, electricity and water water to Gaza, which it must under international law, we urge you to demand Israel stop the destruction of Gaza and the Palestinian people. But I don't think that's okay, we believe it's crucial to provide a safe passage for refugees fleeing the violence and to work towards long term solution to the conflict. We propose the exploration of a one state to nation solution where Israelis and Palestinians can live together in peace with equal rights and protections under the law. I think the original demand for the left has been just one state.
Yeah, the so the one state two nations thing comes from like talking to a bunch of Palestinian Israeli people. And it's, it's effectively kind of like the system that Canada has with Quebec, where you have one, like government, basically, but you have like two different nations inside the government. And each nation has like its own language, its own culture, all that kind of stuff. So we don't we don't necessarily need to say that. But
yeah. I mean, I guess I would say leave it out just because it's new. And you kind of want to just go with what everyone's heard of. Yeah, but
we can. Yeah, I mean, one state solution is more straightforward. But I don't know, if we're writing this letter. Well, if it's supposed to go to Congress, I think one state is a little more concise than say one state two nations. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't, I don't know if they'll acknowledge that. But
they want. The point of the point of this letter would not be to get them to even like, think about a one state solution. Really? I mean, ideally, they would. But in practice, it's probably more about the like, the very last line, or is it? The one about getting them to actually send aid to Palestine? That's probably more important. Yeah. And also, slightly more likely to be listened to, I think,
especially if you take that sentence out. Since it's not really relevant to our
No, I mean, it's a good like, the thing that like it, I think it's good to acknowledge it in general, because it is something that we should be pushing for, at least as far as what I've heard from the people in the area who seem like they want peaceful solutions. So I think it's good idea to push like, at least push to one state idea that describes
an outcome where people, I think people's often critique or they're like, Well, what do you want? What do you want out of the situation? It's like, well, here's an outcome that would probably be beneficial to everyone that's actually once meaningful change and not the perfect.
Alyssa, our Toronto bus?
Yeah, I've heard of one state solution. I've never heard one state to nation. And so unless like you're willing to, like put in an explainer in it, I would just say one state solution. It's fair.
Why don't we take the time to break down these terms to the community as well? Because I'm sure other people are going to really have questions too.
Yeah, that was when we were working on originally that was kind of like what we were trying to we were trying to just explain like what Gaza was because we realize a lot of people are not even going to know what that is. So
yes, I agree. Can I give some feedback? So I wrote this letter earlier in the day. I think it's good. But I'm not quite sure what you guys what the intent is of this letter? Like, is it just to educate people on the conflict? Like you're you're providing, like the historical background of this, of the conflict? Is that Is that what's happening?
You partially Yeah. That's, that's at least part of what's going on here. Yeah. It's kind of a caucus. Yeah, sorry. Well, you got it. I was gonna it's a combination of a little bit of historical education along with, like, a, like trying, trying to get people to
Congress in particular, I guess to send aid to, to Gaza. Okay.
I don't think that's been completed yet. Is that my understanding? Is that correct? This is the
Okay. helps me understand because I thought you guys are just doing like a statement, in which case, I was like, this is really long for a statement, but okay, I'll read it from the perspective of you guys are sending a message to Congress.
So should we move? So I bolded? The our ask, but it is paragraph like five? Should we move it up? To like, underneath?
Or, or should this be two separate documents? One that's a historical explainer of what's going on as an educational piece. And then a separate, shorter document that is just like, basically asked to Congress. Yeah.
Congress be smart enough to be able to understand the historical context. Did you guys provided? No, I'm being serious. But yeah,
I also was being serious.
No, but Riley I if, okay, if the intent is you're posting essential shots. Oh, my god. I can't say social media. And yeah, what you were saying earlier? Yes, I agree. Definitely split it up. If it's to Congress, I got I think you can leave it together.
Okay, well, we will we could do is make one document that is the historical explainer and the ask, get people to sign it, send it off, to try and force Josh harder, try to shove it down his throat. And then cut out the Ask part and just do the historical explainer for social media or whatever.
And that could be a post and I think this whole thing, we can reuse it for both.
So yeah, so this is the historical part. Like this is kind of like our mission sentence. And then I think everyone has concluded this. And then this is kind of the conditions and then like the ask, and then maybe if we just put historical conditions down here and kind of like our I just wanted to end with something like No, some mushy shit at the very end, and then sign up. But then it leaves all the not important stuff at the bottom. Yeah. Does that work better for you, Joanna? The way it looks now.
Can I read it? Yeah.
First paragraph, we want to keep it super concise.
Yeah, I mean, what we might want is just like a full thesis paragraph that is like our position and also the Ask all in one at the beginning, just right off the top. I feel like I'm an English class again.
I'll say do we want to use Las Vegas or Stockton as the size comparison?
Well, we are a San Joaquin County organization
does have more impact seeing as we're based out of our you know, it's a large city in our area. I wonder Well, is there a city in San Joaquin County that is more comparable to the size without now
you know, Stockton is the closest actually well.
It's way smaller than San Joaquin County.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was. Okay. Yeah. So Stockton is the closest then
I forget what it is. What is it Riley three times the stocking.
It's it's a Stockton is about 60 something and it's about 140 square feet. So it's about two and a half times or two and a third maybe. Yeah.
I don't I like that comparison. Yeah, cuz it's local. But
yeah, two times closer.
Yeah, where are they?
2 million.
That's about
like seven times the population Jesus.
I think this all this context to I mean, it's good to have but I think this is the kind of stuff that a social media post really benefits from because it puts in perspective, you know,
this is like this is one of the reasons it would be good if we had a slightly larger social media following because then we could just get them to do like that we could put like one of those signature things right next to it and have a lot more people signed on to it all of a sudden,
I mean, I can push it with our page but I feel like the issue on the issue but then I feel like it'll get traction Yeah, I think it will I think it will I think I mean
the thing left us like we can't do anything the sign and we will sign will
sign the new loan signing things
Things will get signed but it's true okay
i 100 Was that agree? Yeah,
no but Riley I was reading the Gaza Strip paragraph and I'm like oh my god is someone like Josh harder going to understand the nuance I don't even know So
Josh heard barely understands politics at all like what do you really good that's what I'm saying we just we just need to basically like force feed it to him and if we can make it so he has no choice but to present it to Congress. That would be good.
Okay, um, I was thinking about writing a resolution before officially resigned before pre endorsement conference. Would you guys want to write it up resolution from working class unity for Josh harder because as he released anything, like any statement on it,
not that I his Twitter's sucks, so I don't know. Let's release it someplace else. I don't know.
He did want to talk. Facebook. was Apollo.
I said he did one tweet. Oh, he did?
Yeah. About Israel or Gaza.
about Israel having the right to defend itself.
Right. Wow, that's I don't know. I've seen that a lot that take in I'm like I don't even that wording sounds bad defended a lot of politicians.
The thing is like it as a as a sentence, right? It sounds good. It's like because Oh, yeah, everybody has the right to defend themselves. Every nation has the right to defend themselves. Right but like the second you put any amount of context that suddenly doesn't make any goddamn sense. Yeah. And I think
you from what I've seen in our statements so far is highlighted that the right to defend is not maybe the best way to frame this issue. Like it's if you subjugate someone and then say well we have the right to defend ourselves after we subjugated them I don't know if that makes I don't know that adding adding the context again. Yeah, like like Paulo is saying is like it needs to be there just because it free reframes everything.
Okay. arguers that palapa this I'm absolutely horrified by today's attacks on innocent civilians and Israel, Pam and I send our prayers to all the families affected by this terrifying violence this is clearly an act of terrorism and I stand with Israel's right to defend herself and her people. I mean, that was kind of my point of including all of this Yeah, it'd be like WHAT DO YOU FUCKING defending yourself?
Children fucking almost all children play we start literally starving children and you're bombing them out of fucking a
political group you brought into power you funded
Is everyone okay with this? I just added this now but the these are the resources people that the that Israel has declared war against the largest military in the Middle East needs to defend itself against
yeah
yeah everyone's okay with that.
I'm sorry I told you these
quotes I love the scare quotes
These are resources Yeah, that's fine I'm fine with that
that's good yeah
or damage America had this good article about towards the humane left. I'm just gonna read the last like two paragraphs and then see if we can put this in there. At the end
Oh, no. Paulo. I don't expect him to think this letter. He No, there's no way. That's like we would that's why I'm saying if he was If he was going to endorse it, we would literally have to force his hand. Like that's the only way it would even be possible.
He's not in stock, we can't even reach his hand. Okay, I'm gonna read this real quick. I'd like to integrate this into the last paragraph. So like, internalize it, and then repeat it in different words, let's not plagiarize. It has long been the task of the Humane left to reject the line of reasoning that would sacrifice civilians on the altar of historical inevitability. Whether in a Stalinist or third world is guys to protest the idea that untold innocents must die in the service of some grand to use the human left insistence that on the possibility on the moral imperative of bending what others take to be history's iron tracks, the main lifts, Northstar is no flag or banner, but the unclenching belief in the inherent, even divine worth of every human life. Oh, blah, blah, blah. And then to hold everyone's humanity that is the task of the hour to reject calls for retribution to stand against the dehumanization of Palestinians and the unfolding catastrophe in Gaza. And yes, in the same breath to recognize the horror of Hamas as attack and the categorical and justifiability of killing civilians, Israel's leftist still burying their dead can manage this. The self and self described leftists in New York or London have no excuse. So I mean, I don't think we need to attack the left in our last paragraph. But yeah, just something about I don't know. Like this is like, why are we doing this for poor people in Gaza? Like for the Palestinians? Is it like is it because our North Star is our belief in the inherent worth of every human life yeah,
I mean, whenever
I will hear talking about last paragraph stuff, right? Just sort of emphasizing that that I'm trying to think of a different way to word that
right, where did you pull that from? Whose writing was that?
I've got no clue
why we can I send it to you on WhatsApp. Can you pass it on? Yeah, yeah.
Towards a humane left.
My daughter was taken.
Oh, I know you're talking about Yeah, I saw the article. Let me see if I can find it.
I just FYI, I have to dip pretty shortly. So just prematurely. I will put my hand up and you guys can abuse it to pass whatever you want. No.
I mean, okay, let's just, I mean, we can finish writing whatever part. It's the fluffy part anyways, and our meetings kind of over?
Yeah. So I think that as long as we get like a general consensus on the format, and like what we want to do with this, I think we're probably good.
Yeah. So can we just vote on like a process for approving this kind of stuff? I think we should have it be up, like, be offline, just so more folks get a chance to look at and so does whoever comes to meeting, especially for something like this.
on WhatsApp, like we've continued to add it to the WhatsApp so everyone can see it and maybe have. I'm thinking, oh, sorry.
Can you pin things to the WhatsApp chat?
Yeah, well, I mean, instead of just WhatsApp, I was thinking, put it on the forum. And then
well, yeah, but can we can we pin the link to it in the WhatsApp? Is that possible? I think so. That way, like while we're thinking while we're talking about it, it'll be like right front and center for people to see. Yeah. Because
I was already quite young. But I'm on the WhatsApp, just so people want to comment. It's probably better to comment on the forum. So there's like a record instead of me yeah. Um, but let's just say if majority steering approves plus pretty well plus, I think we did five before for like emergency actions for.
I think it was for that. Yeah.
I don't know if we can muster that soon. Yeah. So let's say four articles. And
two, how about this? How about, how about we say five people, with the majority of them being non steering committee members?
Sure. So if membership approves, then we move on to online and get five votes for a final approval. But then, yes. Okay, so we just need a motion from someone else that to approve, as is to put on the forum to keep working, and then do the five person by person vote online with a minority steering. How does that sound to everyone?
complicated but yes.
Basically, it goes up it goes up on Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. All right. Cool. Yeah,
I know. I understand.
I agree. It is. It is slightly convoluted, but it does allow us to like at least work on it. Yeah. Okay. So we need a non we need a non steering person to second.
Hey, oh, did I not second? Oh,
oh, maybe I didn't hear it. Yeah, Paulo,
it was out of that sound.
I'm not going to pretend like I understood that. I'm sorry. I
just, I think from now I just say you second. It's real quick. So for like voting on things like this that we're going to be posting that are like, organization, mission statement type stuff. It first has to be approved at a membership meeting, but because not everyone can always make it to these meetings. It's like a two part process. So it has to get approved here. Then we posted on the website on our forum. And then on the forum, at least five people have to say, you know, once it once it's in a final final state. Five people have to on the forum vote yes. But only two people can be on steering out of the five.
Yeah. Similar how we pass the pride flag thing.
Yeah, it's like a lower threshold than the pride flag thing. Just being realistic about our total number. Yeah. Yeah. And this is not like an action. So. Yeah. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Thank you for putting my hand through that.
Okay. Does that sound okay? Yes, yeah. Okay. So our motion for us to do that. Can I get a second from a member? Yes, second. Okay. Everyone that wants that's in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Everyone. Not? Now. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for going through this. I'll post this embedded finish it and then hopefully we can get a graphic up and or get it approved and get a graphic up by tomorrow. Before anyone else in the Central Valley does.
Are we sign? Are we adding a signing component just just Yeah. Okay.
So it'll be directed towards arguer I guess, because that's where the socialists are. We have no choice in the Senate. Yeah, we don't. Yeah. Our new Uber.
We're not going to send it to look bonza.
Gonna union buster. I'll see if I can do both. I forget if in new Modi, you can target more than one government body. But okay, so Dun dun dun, dun. Okay, that's the end. Motion to End Meeting. Can I get Second?
Second Second.
Thank you. So yeah, let's if you want to take a copy of this for whoever it was that you were saying. Feel free. Cool.
Um, I know EMAC is releasing a statement to do you have done you have done? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to do it? That's cool. Well, once we finish it, we'll send it over and see if they want to sign on to it. Okay, cool.