🧬 Breeding for Varins, Medicinal Cultivars, and Organic Growing, with Seattle Chronic Seeds

10:29AM Jan 29, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Keywords:

breeder feature

medicinal strains

living soil

no till KNF

homegrown VA

breeding master class

vertical integration

commercial cultivation

medical market

cannabinoid research

THC V

CBD V

probiotic breeding

organic cultivation

seed health

Greetings cultivators from around the world. Jordan River here. Back at you with more. Grow cast, Magnum O G, p i, today we have Seattle chronic seeds, the breeder of Magnum O G, among many other things, and he is here for a breeder feature. Today's episode is awesome. We catch up with the man who we spoke to, I think, a couple years ago. At this point, he's been busy. He's been doing deep breeding work into medicinal strains, working in his living soil, no till KNF garden, and moving across the country. So we're gonna catch up on all of that and more. But before we get into it with Seattle chronic seeds, shout out to homegrown. VA, that's right, my choice hydro store in the Richmond area, we love homegrown VA. We were just there for our stupendous living soil master class by Queen of the sun grown and my God, this place was awesome. They were so professional, they were so smart, they were knowledgeable. We actually scoped the soil at one of those guys who was that shout out to the dude behind the counter who had an amazing soil sample from his no till bed. Listen these guys. They got what you need. They have the selection you need at home, grown VA in Richmond. And more importantly, they've got the knowledge and the know how. So you can actually ask them, Hey, how do I take care of this problem? What do I do? We were blown away by the quality of their flower and the knowledge of their cultivation situation. So shout out to homegrown VA. They support the community. They're great educators. They were wonderful hosts, and we'll be back there for our breeding master class. Me and ryzo rich doing a breeding tour as well. So stay tuned Richmond. We love you, East Coasters, and we love homegrown VA. Shout out to the real ones. Everybody. Support the people who support education in our community. All right, everyone, let's get into it with Seattle chronic seeds. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show with a grow. Me get someone growing for the first time. It's the best thing you can do. Go ahead and hit that little share icon and send this link to a grower, because you're going to want to share today's breeder feature. I know you guys love breeder features. Before we get started, though, you can find everything we are doing at growcast, at growcast podcast.com/action, there, you can see the seeds and the membership and the classes and everything we're doing. Thank you so much for your support, everybody. It means the world to me. As I said, today we have a breeder feature. You guys love talking to breeders, learning about their values and principles. What they're working on. Today's is no different. It's going to be absolutely killer. We have the man himself from Seattle, chronic seeds, the captain is on the line. What's up? Cap, how are you doing? Man, I'm good, brother. How are you I'm doing excellent. Seattle. Chronic seeds, of course, you guys are crushing it. You have been on this show for a breeder feature, but, man, it's been a while. It feels like it feels like it's been forever.

Yeah, it's been quite some time. I think I was in Washington last time. So, yeah, right.

Well, let's get an let's get an update. Man, you moved across the country. You're working on all these new projects, a lot of exciting new energy coming into your brand. Can you tell us what all has been going down since last we spoke

absolutely so I moved my family over to Oklahoma, made the move from Washington. We still have our main office set up, still running things over in Washington, but the Wife, Son and I moved over to try and get set up here, basically just because they had no cap on their cultivation and so I wanted to get on that as soon as possible. You know, a bunch of other people had already moved out here, got started on it, but it was just to me. It was more about being able to dive into my genetics and what I have and then just really find things that I've been looking for, because I was so limited on space before in Washington with licensing caps and so it was quite a difference. But moved out here had some issues at first with contracts and things that I initially came out here for. And so the first year was essentially a struggle for my family, just kind of, you know, getting to zero again. Like it was, like we moved here and then basically lived out of a hotel, trying to find a house, and we just had a pretty big struggle for a long time. And so once we got situated, I just started popping seeds like crazy, using all the space that I had, of course, just utilizing the medical market while getting set up, you know, trying to get licensed here. And so that's pretty much been the past, I think two years here now we're going on two years, but it's just we're finally getting caught up, getting settled. I'm able to hunt. I've made some relationships in the state that you know have allowed me to kind of progress my cultivation and hunting. So no, I. I'm just going through the hunting and trying to figure out my

favorite part. That's the good part, man, what is the mission for Seattle? Chronic seeds here? Are you looking to provide genetics for the state? Are you looking to go completely vertically integrated? So we see your flower on the shelves? What's the what's the moonshot here?

So that's kind of the funny thing is, like originally it was to do a vertical integration and just come and, you know, do kind of a dispensary and do everything, kind of what I've been doing on my own. But then, of course, the market hit us in the face. And so, like, when I got out here, everything, it was super easy to get into stores. And I mean, once metric came into play, things kind of really shifted. And so it just really made me kind of take a step back and really start to just go back to hunting. I think that's really I'm just looking to provide genetics and look for what I'm looking for, like, why I came here is any other reason than to hunt through pretty much whatever I have and then, you know, find the best available genetics I have. Well,

you're given the space to work now, right? So I think that that's, you know, it's, it's funny, because, like you said, you want to get into the industry, you want to make an impact. You get these ideas in your head, but then it's like, sometimes reality hits you, like you said, and it's just back to back to what you know and what you've been doing, right? Yeah. So, so now, as opposed to this kind of larger business idea, you're just literally back to fino hunting. So I think in some ways, it's like, oh, this, this project that I was hoping for didn't turn out the way that I wanted. And then in other ways, it's like, well, no more being distracted by shiny objects, back to my passion, back to my craft. Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does. And it's also just trying to, I mean, cultivating such a large scale and helping, like my main thing out here was, and I think a lot of people can relate, or, you know, a lot of people have been through the same thing, but it's just, I've gone through so many companies who, you know, they try some of my flower, and they're just blown away. They're like, Okay, we want you to help us do that. So essentially, they, you know, show you this shiny picture of a, you know, a contract for 120,000 or 150 you know, lures of six figures. And, you know, you get in there for two, three weeks, kind of get their things dialed in, and immediately get cut out of the situation. And it's like, it's happened so many times that it just, it really put a sour taste in my mouth where I didn't want to do commercial cultivation, yeah, just on such a large scale, because it's like, man, the shady shit that goes on behind it, it's just, I don't know, I just it wasn't for me. And it's like, when I started doing that, I was, I was so depressed, man, I was like, going through a series of hard times in my life because I was trying to make other people happy. And it's like it was just a big moment when I finally took a step back and said, You know what? I can't provide for my family doing this thing for other people. I gotta go back to what I know. And it's like the moment I started believing back in myself and just doing what I came here originally to do. It's like things started taking off again. For me.

That's wild man. I mean that that actually relates to some things going on that I'm going through more than you know. That's a really interesting lesson, though, and it's, it's a situation that I've heard time and time again, and

you'll hear multiple times after this. It's so true,

it's and it's funny, because there's a lot of sides to it, right? So this business is now starting up in the cannabis space. And then they go to a legacy grower who knows what to do with this plant. There, they actually know how to operate with this plant. This corporation doesn't know how to grow this plant. They only know how to do business. And they say, Hey, Legacy grower guy, you know how to make great craft, quality weed come and and partner on with us. And then, like you said, as soon as they get their kind of basic standards and procedures down, they kick this motherfucker to the curb. That's that's the story every time, and then they replace him with $15 an hour employees that are doing what he kind of drew up as the standards and practices. Now there's some interesting things that happen here. First off, usually, what I've seen happen is they ride off of these practices until something inevitably goes wrong. Because in which it will, which in cultivation, you will get an infestation, you will get pythium, or a terrible fungal pathogen that's gonna, you know what? I mean, you're gonna run into something, and then your $15 an hour employees are going to be going, I mean, what's that

gamble somebody, powdery mildew will ruin somebody's growth they don't necessarily, you know, I've seen it happen to inexperienced people all the time, 100% I mean, my, you know, simple things where they don't have the solid IPM, or, yeah, it's just, it's, it's sad, man. Or they, they use. Have somebody shadow, you like, that's the main thing I've seen, is they have somebody who, you know, comes on, or it's a family member, or somebody who kind of is watching out, or, you know, kind of learning the trade from you, and then that person ends up replacing so watch out if you get that's

the model everybody and on one hand, it's like, okay, they're a business, and they're trying to run a business. But on the other hand, it's like, this is bad for business. You're screwing over this person who's going to save your ass down the road. Maybe Don't entice them with the huge contract and then kick them to the curb and instead keep them on for a more affordable price. You know what? I mean? I don't know what this

huge lump sum up front and just pay, you know, pay what it's worth.

Gonna say next? Yeah. How do you protect yourself as someone like that? Like, if you were giving advice to someone who is looking to get into similar situations? A, would you even suggest that they do that? And then B, I imagine you have to probably protect yourself with, like you said, some sort of sign on bonus, right?

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's always, and that's the funny thing is, so it's like, I mean, you have these people with these iron clad contracts, or, you know, things with Attorney. It's, and it's these corporations have attorneys who have these contracts written to where it's like, you can have your attorney read it, but a lot of the time they don't even catch some of the underwritten stuff in it. So, I mean, it's, it's crazy, it's, it's the shadiest thing I've had to deal with, for sure. And

like I said, it's kind of businesses being businesses, and then they're gonna get bit in the ass for that. When you don't respect the artisan of the craft, you're gonna run into some shit down the road, and you're gonna want to be calling that guy that you kicked through the curb. That's generally what happens. And then they're producing boof, and they don't know why. So it's an interesting thing. I'm sorry you went through that. And this is, this is a story that's been shared on this show before. But I'm also glad that it opened your eyes to, back to the basics, man, back to what you came here for. Like you said, believing in yourself and doing this breeding work and doing this hunting and doing this medical work, you seem very medically oriented. I ask breeders, why do you breed? You know, and sometimes someone's after a certain terpene profile, or sometimes it's about, you know, the growers themselves and making plants that are easy to grow, people like you. Correct me, if I'm wrong, are you heavily driven by the medicinal aspects of this plant and helping people who are genuinely sick and ailing? I

mean, that's exactly, I mean, I got into it for myself personally, and then that kind of blossomed into other people who had similar conditions, and then it just that was kind of my rabbit hole. Was like, medical not finding the medical stuff that it's like when I had, you know, Harlequin, it worked, but it didn't work for, you know, the stomach, should I had going on? And so I was like, Okay, I need something more sour. So sour tsunami. Okay, that works for my headache, but it's not necessarily my stomach. So how can I, you know, take this cultivar that has, you know, like a diesel or something with some fuel into it and get the relief, because that tends to work for me a little better. And it just, it was my rabbit hole, essentially, was trying to figure out, like, how can I get something that helps with my stomach pain but also makes me hungry at the same time? Geez. And so ever since then, it was like anything to do with medical issues, like, if people DM me, I'm the type of person who will take, you know, an hour out of my day to literally talk up somebody I've never met before, but just to really try and work and send them seeds or something in hopes that it'll help them. And so it's it's really near and dear to me, just because I've lost so many people, and I've also been through so much in terms of medical conditions. I mean being celiac and, you know, skinny dude, it's like constantly dealing with chronic pain from being and snowboarding and taking, you know, huge falls and skateboarding my whole life, and it just seeing other people and especially, which we'll get into. But the veteran stuff, yes, I had somebody a few years when I started this very project. And it's funny, because I don't even, I can't smoke parents. I'm skinny. It's an app. It doesn't work with me. So it's like, I have to give it to other people to try out some of it. I can smoke some of it anyways. So this person reaches out and basically says, like, Hey, I have a My mom has tremors, and this do you have? And so I started kind of diving into, like veterans. And so I started looking at the different cannabinoids and what I had, and then what. And so I really found this one to one that worked, and started reading this specifically Well, the first round of material and stuff that I sent to them process it helped. I mean, like the person called me and they sent me, you know, a few emails, and just it blew them away. I hope they've never, never used cannabis, never thought of it. It was somebody who was against it prior gave it to her mom, who had Parkinson's and had severe tremors. The tremors were so bad, she couldn't hold a spoon or anything like that. And by 30 days after using it, she could literally eat by herself. The tremors were like they were still there, but it was like the frequency, she was just blown away by it. And so that was kind of like a pet thing to where I really found that was like, you know, again, another calling, because it's like, okay, CBD has been played out, like, type twos. Everybody's getting in type twos, which I still, I love playing with type twos, sure. Same with CBG, but it's just kind of that cannabinoid that and Cbc tend to be the two that I'm like, really looking towards right at this point? Well,

let's, let's break it down. You know, for someone like myself, actually, who's not very deep into this, when you say these verons, V, A, R, I N, A Veron, it's a type of cannabinoid, right? It's a sub category of cannabinoids. How do you explain this to lay people like myself?

Yeah. So basically, it is just a sub category. It's similar to THC. It's just the chemical composure of is slightly different. I think it has two chains shorter, and so basically it's a similar pathway. It has like a CBG Association CBD, but it's just its own type of cannabinoid, and it has different effects that actually work with your receptors, and it also inhibits effects of THC. So basically, what trying to explain it to so many living strengths? So when you're, like, if you get too high, and basically, you find something with a variant, you can smoke it, and it will kind of bring you back down Calm the effects, yeah, yeah. And so, like, for somebody who's maybe overdosed on an edible or something like that, if they had something where you could have a little bit, you know, a Veron to basically snap you back out of it, but it's just, it's weird, because it inhibits certain effects while potentiating others. So there's, it's just, it's okay, really complicated. Yeah, cannabinoid. And there's, like, I started going into all these research papers, and so I have, like, stacks of things that I've read, and that's really why I started diving into it, is because you can see that, like the medical the science community is like, heavily involved in researching this cannabinoid. And so some of the things I found out were, like, it's super useful with type two diabetes and blood pressure regulation obesity. So there's a paper that basically interacts with lipid and glucose metabolism. When they use the animal models, it reduces nausea, basically. It curves your appetite. So, yeah, advanced, what you're saying. It decreases the resting state, functional connectivity, increases your cognitive control, dorsal visual stream. Basically, it's like a diet. Weed helps with neurological disorders, spasmodic symptoms, delaying disease progression, such as Parkinson's.

So this is when we take a look at something like thc v, this is what we're talking about, right? Tetro, hydro, cannabirin, the V, very

and there's also CBD V, cbgv. And then, of course, the acidic, you know, versions as well, CBG VA. I think there's a CBC. I mean, I think there's, there's variants, basically, along with every other cannabinoid on the same pathways. It's just, yeah, it's just basic, I mean, two links short of that same model, right, containing

two less carbon molecules This article says than the counterparts. Wow. So it's the it's the carbon, huh? That is very interesting, man. So this is a game changer medicinally. And I hear people talking about this as well as, Are you now hunting for not just these strains that produce THC, V, but then, like you said, also counterbalance some of the things you might not want, like that appetite suppression, that's

what I'm going for. So, like, I mean, I've found dominant stuff. So, I mean, I, I've worked so s ones, that's twos, I found it. Basically, I was trying to find a dominant THC, V thing. It took me to the s, threes of it, you know, reversing, because I have the basis that I'm working on, is a is a one to one plant. So it was given to me. It was hunted in Vancouver, Washington. Gentleman hit me up and said he found, you know, a veteran, that he had a run 1011, weeks, came up 3% 3% THC to THC, V,

that's really, really high, right? Even having 1% is, like, a big deal, right?

I was on it, like, I mean, immediately, like, I was like, I need this. And so. I ended up getting that running indoors because it was done outdoors, and then that's where I, like, lost my mind, because I started really, I took tons of cuts, put it through different trials. And so basically I ran it all the way up to, like 1718, weeks. I ran one at 10 weeks, one at 11, one at 12. And kind of charted where word increase. And so I saw that the therins didn't even start kicking in until, like, week 1213, and so it's like, I took it week 16, that same plant produce almost 6% both of those. It was like, 592, and five, seven of THC and THC, V. And so that's where I was like, Okay, I'm this is like, this is where I'm at. Like, there's so much in here I'm not understanding. So I started adding UVB, trying to shorten the flower time scene, if the intensity, you know, and trying to replicate, like, Southern sun, something similar to Africa. It was something where I was like, Okay, this is cool. And so threw a couple nails at it, went through a lot of the seeds of that, and that's really where, like, the gold was. And so one of the cultivars, which was buff V, it's a afghan. It's basically like a super broad leaf against a super narrow leaf. And like, so the THC dominance really came out. But a lot of the times it went recessive. In other cultures where this also kept a minute dominance, it was like, so the cultivars were hitting three to two ratios. So it'd be like 12 to 17 THC, and almost like six to 7% THC, V I mean, it was something where I was like, Okay, this is while retaining a broad leaf aspect. And so trying to find like something in a broad leaf or shorter flowering time. A lot of the time you'll get like from turns. I mean, just because the instability there is like out of control. And so that's my whole hunt. Was trying to find something that's like a 910, week plant that produces, you know, 10% THC V,

and is also intersex, stable, correct and

as well as all the other cannabinoids. So another one that I found was my variance G, and that was, I used the CBG male instead of a THC dominant. And so that ended up sending it on a different pathway. And then it had CBD V dominance in it, and then it also had cbgv, but it also had majority CBG. So it was like 6% CBG, 4% CBD, two or 3% THC V and it had every cannabinoid, like every single one and like 1% range, like, it's, it's one of those things that just blew my mind.

Geez, that is absolutely wild man. Now, when we talk about these numbers, do you only do, like, chromatography, high pressure, liquid chromatography, you know what I mean, like, you can't really rely on, I don't want to name a specific brand. You can't really

rely for lab. You go full blown

lab testing every time because you don't trust some of the other ones, which may show indicators of these but not not as accurate ranges.

Yeah. And I mean, I've played with every single one. And I mean, it's a useful tool in some instances, but not in this. I mean, even analytical labs, I've had to, like, shop around labs who know how to process urines because, like, I've taken stuff like two or three labs and had crazy inconsistencies really, see, that's what I found the lab, actually, that's tough. There's one in Virginia named Cyto labs. And he absolutely like amazing. So if you're in Virginia, I recommend going to him Cyto

Cyto labs. There you go, shout out Cyto labs. I'm always looking to shout out those types of companies, because I hear this all the time. I hear that the testing companies do a different you see these stories of some testing companies getting busted for fudging numbers, and it just happened in Las Vegas. It's like, God, dang man, I can't trust the home machine. Can't trust the lab. But I guess you find somebody who, who, like you said, is reputable, and you stick with them.

Yeah, there's a few in Oklahoma. There's actually one in Washington that got busted for numbers. And I saw the lab in Oklahoma the other day. I was like, that's crazy, man.

You can't be doing that. You can't be fucking saying it's so funny too, because they're just boosting THC numbers to get the THC consumer looking for the highest THC you know what I mean? So it's just, yeah, it's silly. It's a silly time. But, but, yeah, I'm glad that you're, you're going through all the right, all the right steps, and you're doing this right. It's data driven. It sounds like you're hunting from you know that you're this community that you've built up. You're pulling from the community to find these rare strains, and now you're stabilizing them. You're stabilizing them through a selfing process. I'm interested in that no back crossing for you or anything like that.

Well, some, some. The cultivars, yes, but the project with that was mostly to try and bring out the dominance, because going back, you know, would kind of bring it back to the stable ratios of the one to one. It was like a homozygous point. And so it's like trying to, it was trying to establish dominance for the THC, V, and so it was finding, the easiest way, I found, was selfing and then finding the underlying or recessive

with that trait. Yeah, that's Yeah point. I didn't think about it like that. I guess that I'm not a breeder, that's a really good point. So you're trying to bring out this rare trait and stabilize it. So therefore you went with the selfing process, which a cuts out a whole bunch of the male side of things, which can just make your job harder and harder. Yeah, and then B, you're bringing forward that trait that is very interesting. Man, super, super cool. So what is that project called? Again, what is that s you said it was an s3 currently, what is that one called?

It's just a thc v. So it was the one. That's all I called. It was thc v. So I had s1 and s2 I don't think I've ever released those as much, just because, again, with the intersection, it's not something that I recommended for people. It was more experimental. And so it's something that like now I'm finding where it's getting stable. But, yeah, I definitely had a lot of issues in the s ones.

Well, that's, you know, that's worth it for some people who are, who are looking for that medicinal quality, right? Intersecting used to be like, the number one thing to kick out of your tent. And now there's hash makers who are like, yeah, it throws a couple pollen sacks, but it makes really good hash.

Yeah, ruins everything else,

right? Yeah. It's like, it'll come out in the in the rosin bag, that pollen will come out. So it's just funny how that's kind of changed over time. But yeah, dude, I want to talk about more of your work. Shout out Ari from Dino Michael. He gave me an OG of yours. What was it called Magnum OG or OG magnet OG was like, Holy fucking shit, dude, I love OGs. I've had them all, and this one has stuck in my mind this year. As far as, like, top smokes of the year, this one is in the running, 100% it was a it was an OG Magnum. He brought me four or five different kinds from your garden, I believe, or somebody who is growing your gear. No, that was me. Oh, dude, Jesus Christ, that OG Magnum stuck in my mind that the black water OG might be the two best OGS I tried this year.

I appreciate that. Man. I put a lot of heart in that. That one's a little funky too, because it has kind of like an orange curry tic tac flavor to it. It's like a little different, almost like than most of the OGS

orange curry, tic tac. I wish I had a bud to smell. I just remember it being very, very complex, which makes sense with what you just said. And just, yeah, that wide complexity. You know, I don't mind one dimensional strains that just smell like one thing, but the strains that really get me are the ones that you got to go back in for a third, fourth, fifth, with

just bill. Can't pin it just trying to pin it down exactly. You're like, what is that? That's what I that's that's literally, like, if I go into a garden, I I smell things, and there's, like, certain things I look for, and like, there's actually one right now that me and the wife, she's the one who actually found it, but I like taking her through and having her, like, rub things. But there's this. So it's called hardware. Is purple U DUB cross of macaroni. It's from, like, 2019 I think I made it, but I've been hunting all of them, and one of them smells like a 70s skating rink, like, I can't describe it any other way than like, it smells like a roller skating rink, like, literally, if you were to go in the 70s. And for those who have been roller skating back, you know, in the day, or even up to the 90s, or whatever, they still have them. It's got that, like, funk, that weird, funky smell of the skates. And I it's

floor wax. Floor wax, yeah, foot sweat and rubber break stops.

That's kind of exactly it like. That's how I would, I don't know it blew my mind. It's still flowering right now, so I gotta kill it smells

like a skate rink, stale popcorn and fucking foot sweat,

yeah, rubber and like, yeah, foot sweat, like that. Weird carpet. Smell like wet carpet or something, yeah? Weird

carpet smell for sure, dude, that's what I think that. I think that that's what people are after right now, the cookies and the cakes and the sweets are always appealing, especially to those who aren't that into the community to be honest. You know what I mean? Those are just, those are just universally appealing flavors. It's like giving somebody a sugar cube. It's going to be pleasing for many people out there. But the people who are growing, the people who are hunting, of course, they want those weird ass Terps. They want foul ones, nasty ones, rubbery ones, rare, kind of off the wall ones. So, so, yeah, I like that description quite a bit. The skating. Rink Terps. We will be right back. But before that, this the foop. Everybody, the foop.com, code, grow cast, always for your organic fish, waste based nutrients. And, you know, spring is right around the corner, and it's time to start thinking about propagation. That's right, cloning, popping seeds. This is what you're thinking about, and what you need is to add some microbiology. Baby. Foop is my go to organic source for propagation. You can even go to the foop.com/cloning and there you'll see all their offerings, like their clone gel, their mist, their propagation packs. It's all organic. It's loaded with biology. And that's what you want when you're cloning or popping seeds. Jump Start that microbiology. Here's a little hack. Grab yourself some of that foop mist ready to use, and spray it on your wet paper towels when you're doing the paper towel method and germinating, this is going to coat your plant and beneficial bacteria and some beneficial fungi, and that is going to stimulate their immune system and get them bursting out of that seed hole vigorously and healthily. So check it out at the foop.com/cloning use the organic products that they have to maximize your plants potential and always use code grow cast. So go ahead and try it today. Grab their mist, grab their gel. I use the stuff. I love it, and I know your plants are gonna love it too. The foop.com Be healthy, go organic. Use foop, All right, everybody, let's get back to it. What else are you working on? Man, what are you super, super proud of? Let's, let's say this that's available. So somebody who's listening is like, I like this guy. I want to go try something that really represents his work. Where would you direct them?

Oh, man, there's. So there's a few seed banks, but, um, I'm trying to think of like, what projects, because I've done so many things. So the funny thing is, is I haven't done a lot of leases because I've been hunting through everything. But

you're teasing my audience, dude, they're, they're, they're freaking around projects

I did was in collaboration with leaf lodge at cultivation gear. So they're a hash facility good friends of mine in Oklahoma. Shout out to leaf logic. But Matt and I, the head of cultivation, have established a pretty good relationship, and I talked to them constantly about stuff. And so he found this mail that he wanted me to check out. I brought it back and put it through the ringer, and it ended up being a pretty good selection. And so him and I used it on some similar crosses. And so I did some releases of that recently. I don't think a lot of people pick those up. It's those Can you can hit me up personally if you're interested. A lot of them came out really good, actually, just cut down probably, like three you knows the strawberry G, which I call strawberry GT, and they were just massive. And they're, I mean, a few of them did test washes at, you know, four plus percent. And so they got, they got the hash ability. They have flower appeal, but they yielded, like, on the papaya side of things. And like, the papaya cut I have is like, I mean, there's nothing really to compare to, because it's just these massive, like soda, two liter cola bottles that, like, produce the best hash. And so it's like, it's one of the best finds I've had recently. There are a few other ones, I think, sugar free. There is another one that was, like a GMO back cross with a grape jelly sundae. I think garlic jellies was the name of that one. And I have a few females of that. I saw that roncher, yeah,

I think I saw that one that garlic jellies. That's one that you're real proud of.

Yeah, it's been good. And then the Melvins. Anything to do with Melvins? So, like, I don't know if any of my fems are still available that, but like anything to do with Melvins the bogs, you'll be seeing that little bit more from people here in the future. It was a pretty limited release, but I'll have another release here shortly, and I think I have a few packs left in the vault, but that's big OG cross with Melvins and that like, oh shit, if you like foul and sweet at the same time, because, like Melvins is such an exotic cultivar. It's like, essentially, it's like a Skittles back cross five with the one thrown in it. And so the one is like a 71 Thai 76 or 71 candor, Afghan, 76

tie, wow. So it's got the Skittles poly hybrid and then,

and then some weird shit that no anytime anybody smells like they're like, it smells sweet, but it's got some weird funk, like, that's all anybody ever says, some weird fun. You can never describe what that weird funk is, but it's got it. And

so that one got hit to the Bicket, which has come up on this show quite a bit. Yeah, I love, man. Well, I had the pleasure of trying some, you know, some Terp wizard rosin at the regenerative, what's it called, you know, the regenerative conference, yeah, and everyone had the picket there, because, I guess that's the washer, right? That's what everyone's growing that

bicker for no sea wash is like a mother,

dude. The. Like you said, it smelled like a dirty InSinkErator. It smelled like, it smelled like the worst InSinkErator gunk funk ever that you tried to cover up with.

Yeah, and it's just, it's but it's got like a sweetness to it too. It's funny, like when you smoke it, it's got that raunchiness, but it's got that cherry pie kind of sweetness to it. I'm back. So it's not, it's FAL but it's got a nice sweetness where you're not like vomiting after you're like hacking,

dude. That's That's amazing. So the Melvins crossed to the Bicket, and I'm sorry that one, what was that cross called

the boss? Like Brian Bosworth the boss.

That's the boss. Damn dude. That's that one. Sounds good. I might have to fucking scoop me some of those, and that that was a FEM you said, Yes, nice. Low plant count growers liking that, killer dude. It

seems to be the popular thing nowadays. And for it's one of the things people started hitting me up for more. So it's something I'm doing a lot more of, yeah, man,

that's same situation. We hear it a lot, and for a while, you know, you would hear a lot of pushback, and now it's more and more common, my friend. So you got to give the people what they want, and you got to give the people what they'll grow, you know, yeah, that's, that's mostly, that's the point of this thing, right? So, yeah, you'd mentioned the Melvins. I remember last we spoke. So that was cool. That was a little bit of a callback for people who remember the the last breeder feature, what are you what are you working on right now? Besides the the medical Varian hunt. Okay,

so I have, well, the veterans going. I have, so I hunted through a bunch of apricoma stuff. I like to go just through all my seed stock, I'm just kind of making my way through generations. So I'm like, I'm in like, 2019 to 2020 right now, trying to catch up. And so I just like to pop a lot of them, so I'll save, you, know, a few 100 to a few 1000, and just dump them. The apricoma I ended up so that's Mac five times Rudy pelo, g times pineapple sorbet, f2 and that I've been hitting to all just I found a few males. Put them through, you know, like a six month process. I ended up with two. One of them, I really favored. One of them, super recessive. The other one showed a little dominance that I like I'm just for resin production, and so I went with that particular male. But I have an okay hemp cut that I've ATG acres found Aaron, the grower. Oh, sweet. Another shout out. But he found this in a field, like in a they were just out hunting for stuff, and ended up finding some hemp patches. And so he took cuttings of a bunch of the different patches, and one of them had, like a purple, kind of cushy smell to it, super narrow leaf, like completely narrow leaf. And so I ended up getting one of the cuts from him, brought it indoors, quarantined it, made a mom out of it. And so I've been doing a few crosses. And so I did one came up pretty much a one to one. And it's just been bringing out wild expressions, like things like really fucking weird stuff. And so that's kind of something I'm super excited about.

I think I had heard about that somebody else mentioning ATG and those, those rare genetics. That's cool that you're working with those.

Yeah, he, he went and collected a lot of the wild hemp too. So they did, you know, self pollination. They'd been there for generations. And so it was, it's pretty cool to get a select a few of the females, and I have some of the seed stock as well, but this was just the first thing that he gave me. And I think it was probably about a year ago, at this point, a year and a half, something like that. It was when I first met him. So I think about a year ago, that is really cool. And then I got just some veterans, G fans, so that one specific variant I reversed. And then I'm hitting that to a bunch of other THC cultivars, and CBD Melvins. I have more of the bars, some more Melvin s ones. And then a bunch of other stuff that I hit, like just a bunch of stuff that I've hunted through in the past couple months. And then some mud honey crosses. And mud honey is kind of another cross I did, I think, in 2017 18. But it's just something that had every every cannabinoid. It was lesser amounts, like it had, you know, under 1% CBC, Delta, a just rare things. But it was really THC dominant, and it had kind of more of like a chocolate Bubba Kush smell too.

So what was the what were the parents on the mud? Honey? Oh, man,

I have to look through that one. I can't even remember what they were. I can look it up because there's, it's like a four way cross. I can't remember. It's like, let me see if I can. I'll

pull it up right now. Yeah, you're. Big deal. There's websites with this, mud honey, CBD rich cross that combines Cobain Kush with medicated OG bat cross. So it's a triple barrel OG Harlequin and Cobain Kush. That's it. Oh, my goodness, mud Honey, that's beautiful. Still available. Neptune seed bank. So how did this one Express you said it's got more of a Bubba thing. It says it's got a chocolate,

super chocolatey. Yeah, kind of earthy chocolate, like Bubba vibes to it, but it's just got some weird expressions to it, too.

Jeez. Pictures are insane. Oh, my God, it's

huge. Now that's one thing I've, I've gone through and then hit, I found females and males that. So I'm kind of doing, like, I don't just kind of, you know, stack a room with 12 different cuts and then hit it with one male. Like, I I like to go through and really figure out, like, what would work for, like, what I'm going to do, like, if I'm going to line read this, or I'm going to bring out this specific cannabinoid, or I just have all these thoughts, and so I have a journal of different things. And that's why, when I release things, there's like, you know, three or four different males, and probably, you know, nine or 12 different females that are all different, right?

Yeah. So it's not just about taking the one male and making a lot of crosses. You're looking to match these males to females specifically. So you do more male work and then less females per male. I could definitely see that this is a beautiful cross, man. I mean, a heavy yielder. I assume this thing is, yeah, it looks like it throws fucking huge

chunkers, no. And she grows quick too. I mean, it's a lot, it's a lot faster grower than Bubba, that's for sure. Like, that's all I

can say. I miss those old school Bubba, like, Bubba Kush circa, circa, like, 2012 Yeah, Humboldt County. That was a very

everywhere. I mean, it was used in everything back then. Like, totally. I

like it. Maybe, maybe I just didn't get burnt out on it. But I remember that terpene profile very specifically and very fondly I'm

still around. Man, especially for like, you know, traditional like the katsu Bubba or whatever the Asians cut that finishes on like, 48 days. Man, that thing will be around forever. Is it like nothing else? Like,

yeah, 100% man, so the mud, honey. Looking good. Man, looking good. Like I said, I'm still kind of freaking out over that. Og Magnum, is that a strain that's available, or is that one gone?

Oh, man, I don't know. I'd have to look through the bank. It's been a while, honestly. Oh,

gee, Magnum, yeah, that I'm telling you, man, that one really did, really did blow my mind. I

do release cuts. If anyone's interested in it, though, I do release cuts every now and then. So feel free to hit me up, because I do have that cut that you're talking about specifically.

Well, you're pretty close to me. We might have to make a cut swap. Do you like peach strains? Oh, I

do. That's something I I'm constantly hunting through as well. So I

got a peach do see that might, that might knock your tits off? We got a trade on her hand. You see how that happens on air? Listeners, you just saw that happen in real time. Holy, yeah. It looks like OG Magnum. I can't find seeds of it. It's on seed finder, but it's not on any of the seed banks. And I don't think so. This one really did impress me. Man, you grew that. Oh, yeah, yeah. How do you grow? Can you tell us about your grow and what you think about cultivation? Yeah.

So you you had my so I do different styles. I'm pretty much well versed in all styles of cultivation. I mean, I kind of started off doing hydro, and so I started out backwards, like most people start out in soil. I kind of, I mean, I started out in soil like when I had no idea what I was doing, when I kind of started, really in my 20s, getting to things like I had to help a friend who was sick. He did hydro specifically. And so I really learned that as, like, a larger cultivation style. Then I kind of switched to Coco, then the organic movement. So like 2009 10, I really got into soil. And I think 11 or 12, I took, maybe it was 13 chose course, when he came down to Washington for the first time and really got into KNF. And so that's really my style. Was going organic. And then I switched to, I think, one of the first people in Washington to start doing probiotic breeding, you know, with KNF specifically. So everything was done in KNF beds with, you know, emos. Emo built soil and ferments. And I started doing Jadam as well, and incorporating stuff like JLF and, you know, just just incorporating, basically every style of organics, just trying to produce them. Cost effective flower I could and so most of the stuff I do for myself is all organic. The stuff you had would be out of my beds. That's just pure organics. Jeez, man, a lot of time for other stuff, for production style, or, you know, other things I will do syngenics, where I basically do a light salt, I mean, it's just a basic mineral feeding at, you know, like a low EC, but I primarily incorporate, like, dry amendments, try and set up as much as I can to where the amendments take care of all the feeding. And then I have a series of, you know, teas, inoculants, specific formulas that I've created through KNF program, but just incorporating that as well. And so I do some syngenic sets more for like trying to cut costs for facilities and trying to restructure SOPs, sure to still do consultations and things like that. And so that's more for people who are running Coke or, you know, won't go to organics or don't want to have that conversation. And I, I tend to do some Gen X, but I primarily do organics for my breeding and for all my flower.

That's cool, man, do you see a massive difference in seed health and vigor. And you tell me, doing probiotic breeding, you know, we talk about the we talk about the link of the of the bacteria, between the mother plant and the seed itself, right? That's why some guests have come on this show, and they've said, Don't wash your seeds in hydrogen peroxide, because you're breaking that that chain. Just like when humans give birth, there's an inoculation that occurs, and a lot of people say it makes for better genetics. It makes for a higher germination rate. All these things. Is that something you've observed?

Yeah, I mean, and so one of the especially with other organic growers or people who do similar methods, like, I mean, I tend to have perfect germination rates. The vigor on them. It's like, you know, I get reports. They're like, this is like, nothing I've ever seen. And, I mean, there's something behind it, like the, whether you use bio intelligence or whatever terminology to describe it, I mean, it is a thing. Like, they basically respond, react immediately in the soil. And, like, I've done it based on, you know, salts and yannicks, and I've done comparisons between three, and it's like, every time the probiotic seeds hits, like they finish faster. They're in veg, they're twice as large. It's every step. They're just a step ahead. But, I mean, that's in my program where they're, you know, in an organic environment. And so, I mean, I could be tailoring it. I just, I find that when I breed with salts, it's like the actual germination rates, they fall off quite a bit. And just that is why I'm not as happy with the seeds themselves, like the actual seed, they just don't respond the same way

well. I mean, it's the way nature intended, right? Microbes you're swimming in it like that's, that's literally the the whole basis of the reproduction and germination process is the facilitation of these microbes, and, like you said, getting back into a system with that microbiology. So for the listeners, even if you're, if you're not growing in a in a KNF living soil bed, no till, maybe you're closer to set up like mine. You still want to keep that Microbiology in mind, right? A lot of people will inoculate their seeds like, I'll hit my seeds in a paper towel with a spray of food mist, just bam, bacteria, fungi right on it, or roll their seeds in my co or, you know what I mean, jump start that microbiology. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I definitely do, yeah, just like, jump starting that microbiology can be a huge game changer for germination and all of that. So I want to come visit the fucking spot. Dude. You got these no till beds. That sounds dope. Sounds like you're, you're living the dream.

It's smaller right now. Like, I definitely love to have a bigger place for cultivating at this point. But I think we're always, you know, like that. Yeah,

that's it's never big enough, right? Always need more lights, more tents. Always. That's so true. On the KNF side, where would you recommend people start? Maybe they're already growing in soil, but they haven't really got into, like, homemade inputs, and, you know, ferments. Do you have that you'd recommend they start with a simple

so Chris Trump, of course, is a wonderful resource. He's pretty good about he's been on the show. Yeah, he's really good at breaking things on touched by cannabis. He's in Oklahoma, in Tulsa as well.

You're shouting out, my friends, what are you doing here? Yeah,

yeah. So, another well versed person, OKC, Alex Jadam. He does Jadam as well. And so, yeah, okay, Calex, uh, yeah. Let's see. Other than that, I would say just online, man. Like, that's how I did, besides going to the classes and getting hands on, like. If you can ever, I think there's a course coming up in Texas soon in this year for Jadam courses and so, immersing, yeah, so emerging yourself. That's kind of the main thing. The PDF for KNF is free online, so you can go on start reading pretty simple. If you have questions, feel free to reach out to somebody like me or anybody who does KNF, and you know, we'll kind of help you with the ratios dilution, or if you have a step that you're getting mold in your emos, or certain things, like things that we all had to learn along the way. So feel free to reach out to I'm sure any of us will respond when time permits. But I'd say go online the Jadam book as well. You can purchase that, I believe, at any bookstore, Amazon, you know, pretty much anywhere, but the Judah looks worth a read as well.

Yeah, absolutely. Man, it's funny. You just mentioned, okay, calyx and touched by cannabis will both be speaking at the community cup Oklahoma, Sunday May 7. That's right, that event is going down, everybody, and it's huge. I would love to see you there, captain, Captain Seattle. Let's talk, man, we got to at least get you there, to show up and smoke some with us, because this one's going to be big. We got, we got Brandon rust. We got, okay, callus. We got touched by cannabis farmer John's going to be there. Riser Rich is going to be there. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there. That's cool. You just shouted out some of the people who were who are going to be educating with and I think that, like, you get bit by the bug a little bit, and then you go deeper, right? So I think that when people try to start making their own JLF, with their with their cannabis leaf waste, yeah, I think that that's that it just puts a bug in you. Man, much like growing itself, making your own inputs, really puts a bug right in your stomach, making

a lacto making your first set of labs, and then kind of going down the EM one rabbit hole. And my favorite thing is, like emos and going out for collection, like with using rice, and going out, like, finding diverse microbial life. And depending on where you know you're at, you can basically dial in your microbes depending on your area, right? It's just, it's a beautiful process.

It is so cool that you're doing that, man, you're farming organic, no till you're hunting ancillary cannabinoids in this organic setup, using data driven research. I think people really respect that you're helping people out there, but you're also simultaneously working on these projects for, you know, the stoners, stoners like me, the stuff that you that you want to expand your mind, relax you, and do all the things for myself

as well. I mean, that's where I love the new flavors, like that's something I'm always trying as other people's work as well. I like to see what's relevant or what other people feel is good for, you know, hype stuff, just to kind of compare,

well, you're doing a good job, man, you're doing a good job on both fronts. Before we wrap up this awesome podcast, what's what's next on the horizon? What do you plan on working on through 2023, and beyond?

Oh, man, I think I'm just going to be hunting. Man, I don't really have specific plans at this point, but just kind of like I said when I came here, it was more focused on making other people happy or doing things for other people, and now it's just me and my family staying happy and trying to, you know, do what I love, and so in turn, I'm better to them, and we have a better life. So I think I'm just going to stick with, you know, doing what I know and love at this point, just

breeding, working on your projects, TINKERING AWAY, back to the basics. If anything

else, anything else comes up. And, you know, I'm always kind of, you know, out and, I mean, I'm out every single week, kind of driving around to different parts and doing, you know, stuff on different parts of the country, consultation work. But yeah, it's just mostly when I get home, it's hunting and, you know, being with my family. And that's, that's what I love to do. So that's what I'm going to

do, live in the dream, like I said, that's wonderful. I think a lot of people respect that. A lot of people look up to that. Up to that. And you guys know where to find Seattle chronic seeds. Shout out the Instagram. Any websites, seed banks, where can people get at you? So

of course, Instagram, Seattle chronic seeds. I have a website, seattlechronic seeds.com I generally have orders directed to my email, just through the payment systems, we're a pain in the butt. Of course, you can find seeds at seeds here now, Neptune, DC seed exchange, if you're in Tulsa, fire tree seed bank, and they also do online orders as well. There is seed connection has my seeds as well. They have actually a lot of mactite stuff that isn't around anymore. So if OG Magnum was available, I think it might be available. Nice seed connection would

be the one place I've been thinking about that one man. I don't bring I I'm not bullshitting. I don't bring that up lightly.

I. Got some more stuff I want you to try to, man, stuff that'll blow your mind, if

you like certain shit hangs on your mind. You know how that goes. You smoke it and then, yes, eight months later, you're like, that thing, that thing

I do indeed.

Yeah, that's right, that's right. Well, thank you, man, this was a dope episode. You're welcome back anytime. I'd love to have you on grow cast TV, our web show for the members, you are open door policy, man, so we'll talk soon. Okay, okay, sounds good, brother, you rock. Thank you Seattle chronic seeds, and thank you listeners. Appreciate you tuning in as always. You know what to do. Grow cast podcast.com/action, join the green list. There it's our mailing list is free and see all the stuff we're doing. All right, that's all right, that's all for today. This is Seattle chronic seeds and Jordan River signing off saying, Be safe out there. Everybody. Be safe and of course, grow smarter and

grow smarter. Love y'all.

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