a great question. And you know, I led this body of work that was so much fun, the donors of color research and network build, and I got to interview 150 wealthy people of color across this country. And that's all available for free to read. And the interview instrument is Appendix A in the full report, so that's available for people to use too. And thank you. The first link that up, yeah, I can share it with you afterwards. The first thing is kind of hard, actually, that I think teams have to do, and which is, which is really to ask why? Like, there's really no point, I think. And this could be controversial, to diversify a fundraising base, unless we know why, and it's. A little bit like, you know, like a lot of people, I gained, I've gained some weight in my middle age, post COVID. If I want to lose some weight, I have to get on a scale, you know. So that's part two. Like, if I want to change something, I need to know what I'm starting with, you know. So that part two. So part one is like, Why? Why is important to you as a leader or as a staff member or for an organization to diversify your fundraising base and really talk about it and be honest. You know, like, is it just because someone told you to or is like, what are the reasons? And part two is, what are we dealing with here? So get on a scale, like, how diverse is your donor base right now? What is it like? I remember being part of an organization that was literally going through names because they'd never asked like, like, Li, the last name Li, my name that could be Irish, it could be Chinese, it could be Vietnamese or Korean. But they no one knew what this organization because they had never bothered to ask what the ethnicity, gender, race, culture of the donors was so they didn't have the baseline. So you got to get on the scale and figure out what what you're dealing with, and have these real conversations with your team, like, why is it important? What is the demographic of the area you're in? You know, I was at the Omaha Community Foundation, and they had this, you know, this is years ago. They had this desire to diversify their funding base. But how diverse is Omaha? It turns out that parts of Omaha are really diverse because of recent immigrant communities that have flown, that have flowed into the area and and there are some people there who are, who are, aren't recent immigrants who are from diverse communities, if, especially if we consider gender and queerness and socioeconomic so, like, really break down and what categories kind of do we want to diversify our fundraising, our donor base, and why, and include all of the categories that are important to the organization that you work with? And that's part of, like, that's part of sort of building the baseline. And then, I think then, once you do that sort of homework, then you're ready to start so all of this pre work. And the reason it's important to do this pre work having been a person who was recruited to join a board, or a person who was recruited to join a donor, I don't know community, because I'm Asian American, people can tell when they're being kind of asked to join something because of their phenotype, you know? Yeah, so the so that homework, level of work is important, so that it gives your voice and ask and intention some integrity and realness to the thing that you're asking people to join. So that's, I think, what you have to start with. And I'm sorry I didn't make it less overwhelming, because it's almost like more work. But once you do that, that that homework level stuff, then getting into the work of building a more diverse community is actually it flows a lot better, because you have some real ground to stand on.