Wow. Unfortunately, this was a long time ago, which means that I'm old. But when I was 13, my parents gave me an Apple TV and I just started banging away at it. I created like a little almost like a Hebrew word processing app, sort of. But it was pretty crude. But that was the first program that I wrote. And then kind of went away from that. And I am very much an entrepreneur. So I left that was doing some work in, in Europe, using CompuServe, which was around before the web, of course, and had some similar components to it. And then was hired by a search engine company that was around before AltaVista, let alone Google. And after I left there, I became an early employee of a company called Predictive Systems. I wasn't I was probably like the 40th employee, and we grew it to a few 1000 and went public four years later. So that's my fun journey. And then then I wrote a blog post, which I'm sure we'll get into later and met Jennison, which brought me into the it accessibility space.