nikki exceptional circumstancesFINAL
4:39PM Feb 14, 2021
new york state
Thank you for joining us. I am here at TSC Talks with my friend Nikki lolly, Nikki is has been a guest on the podcast she came on and talked about her experience with a traumatic brain injury and how her life changed dramatically after a couple of incidents that she's going to talk about. I thought I'd have her back on and have her go through her story. And also give us an update as to what's changed how our life's going now, things that are challenging how she's coping, basically. So she was a former pediatric nurse, former blackjack dealer went from full active life to daily chronic pain, de habilitated symptoms like headaches every day, from an on the job traumatic brain injury in 2016. So, Nikki, thank you so much for coming on. I yes. And she's like one of the most positive, upbeat people that I've ever met. Ever since I came into the industry. I noticed her liking my posts, and I'm like, Who is this woman? And somehow we connected probably through Mike Robinson or something like that. And yeah, and we've been friends ever since. So I appreciate you, Nikki. And thanks for doing this. Hey, no
problem. Gil. I appreciate helping spread the word of the plant because there's a lot of stigma surrounding cannabis. And I was one of the naysayers as a pediatric nurse, I believe is cannabis as a recreational substance. Just like I viewed alcohol, I view people needing things to unwind to relax, whether it's exercise, alcohol, Cannabis, whatever it was your thing. You just go right ahead and do it. It's not my place to judge anyone or say this is good for you or wrong. So for me, my life changed a split second. Back in October of 2016. I was doing my job just like any other day. And one of my co workers called him for assistance. She had a combative child, but did not want his routine immunization for school. He was 10 about my size. And he basically was going to do anything he could to make sure he did not have to get that vision. And every time my coworker went to give the child a shot, he would flip his arm like a duck. And so I went behind the child and restrained him against the offer. And basically the kid tucked his chin through his head back hit me in the forehead. I went into a plaster wall and then back into his head. So it was a significant whiplash split second. Never thought I would ever have any lasting symptoms ever. So right after it You didn't you didn't feel what did you? I mean, did you block out at all? Or? I did not blackout? I was definitely dazed, confused, like, Whoa, what just happened? But I believe my adrenaline just kicked in, and I was more pissed off than anything. Sure.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I just couldn't believe what just happened. Like, you just hurt me. And I'm mad. That was more of the feeling. And the doctor from the next room came running over and said what was that and other nurse said it was Nikki's head. We ended up all manhandling the child and getting the inoculation. Like at that point. We were done negotiating. There was no negotiation. Yeah. And the kid was my size. So I mean, it's not like we're talking about a three year old here. Good, solid, 10 year old And anyway, wow. Everyone has issues. I mean, it wasn't a special needs child or anything like that. It was just a child that was gonna not get a shot at the
So enough about that. But yeah, my life forever changed. And I went to dinner and came back and I was all dazed, confused, I got sick. And I work the night shift. And the physician that was on duty looked at me and he's like, Nikki, what's going on, and I had like, numbness in my arm and everything. And I mean, my head was just explosive. My vision was weird. But again, I still was pissed off and I was going to still work and you know, it was like getting determined not to know you better go to urgent care. So long story short, that began my medical journey of chronic illness and chronic pain and all the things that you hear about, but until it really happens to you, you really don't under don't understand. And even as a nurse, I mean, I saw patients with chronic illness all the time and their parents and caregivers and again, you have empathy for these people or it's a whole different level when it's you or your Yeah, yeah, it's like an immersive experience that everyone I wish everyone could almost have no, not really but like, You're so right. I mean, people Just don't know. They don't know what it's like to deal with something that's that extreme. And you look totally okay. Yes. So I began the search for a diagnosis. It was hell, I was always a respected colleague in the medical field. And every doctor I went to like, what we don't understand why your symptoms are so long. We don't understand why. You know, you're not better yet. We don't understand this headache that never goes away. How can you have a headache 24 seven, I'm like, I have a headache. 24 seven, I have a headache that never goes away. And they basically told me that it was psychological at one point, and it was so humanizing for a person that's never had mental health challenges and extreme situations, to be told, like, this is all in your head. Really nothing wrong with you. And it was like, Whoa, is it really in my head? No, and I mean, chill. When I say I was upbeat and happy, you know, me as a different ease than I was before. I was really quick, really witty really able to, you know, snap back and really fun life. I'm a different Nikki and I'm differently abled, but I feel that patients are the experts, and they are not heard. We are not heard from a patient perspective. When I tell the doctor, this medicine isn't working. Why does I have to be in question? Well, you're not taking it with food, right? I'm like, buddy, I'm a nurse. While you're not waiting for the onset, it takes three weeks to get to the Pico level and, and all the excuses that I went through, to just be heard, right? And have some kind of hope that like, okay, you understand, like, all the MRIs, I had all the CAT scans, all the various testing, nothing was showing, like, screaming Okay, front, right. Up here. This is why she's all messed up. That's what you kind of want, like, you want that. So you can fix it. But when it's subtle like that, I mean, yeah. 100%. And that was probably the hardest thing through this whole journey. I mean, I was truly suicidal. I was on drugs. How could you not be how could you not be if you think it's never going to end? You know, and you're going to be living in this prison of like pain for the rest of your life. I mean, it's, to me, it's like, that's a no brainer. I'm surprised. I mean, I would be surprised if you weren't. Well, it just wasn't getting better. And I mean, this was 24 seven. And I mean, my husband was just like, losing it. He's just like, go to Vegas, we're gonna, like, get you out of here. We're gonna, like,
go helpless. Like, this is like, my favorite place to go is Las Vegas. Okay, so it was absolutely the right thing to do. But at the end of January, 2017, four months after my injury, it was not the place for me to go, right? When I'm in this dark hole that just wants to live in complete darkness and not speak to people. And all I do is cry and have absolutely hopeless feelings. And I mean, I am on these drugs that are literally telling me in my head, you need to just die. There's no point here. Why are you here? What the hell? If this is as good as it gets, you just need to off yourself. So these are the messages that are playing in my mind like a total tape recorder. And it was really dark, Jill. When we went to Las Vegas, I mean, my husband's expecting me to just like, snap out of it. We're in Vegas. Now go walk down the strip and let's go hit the slot machines. Yeah, there was zero interest in doing that the plane ride itself was hell. I mean, I was nauseous. I was in so much pressure from the Oh, God. Horrible. Yeah, the first thing I think I ever could have done, but yeah, that trip saved my life. That trip introduced me to medical cannabis.
That Trevor cool.
When I was contemplating my death, I see a billboard driving down Las Vegas Boulevard saying get your Nevada medical cannabis card today. You can have legal weed right here. And then it comes back a second time. That was like kind of the universe. Yeah, for me. Sure. There might be something for you here, but I didn't see it as that unlike. Right. Go get your weed guard. Just go get addicted to some more shit. I mean, that was kind of in my head at the time. That was what I was Yeah, didn't came back from a walk. And I mentioned the Billboard. And I was like, well, let's go. Let's go get what made you mentioned it to him just out of funding to be like, Oh, you know what happened? Yeah, he's like any. Are you feeling better since I left? And I'm like, No. Do you think like the magic concussion fairy just came in right away? Right? Yeah, no. And so I just said, so this billboard came by and said, Get your weed data. And I'm like, it actually said cannabis, I believe are marijuana, marijuana, marijuana. It definitely didn't say cannabis. But no, definitely like marijuana. And so he's like, well, let's go. So we go in and I short, very easy process to get my card in Nevada. But you guys, we can judge all we want and we can say the illicit market is bad and but people this is what's been keeping people alive. Yes. Listen, mark market prior to legalization, prior to any of these medical programs. That's how people lived. I'm convinced. Absolutely. There's just so much natural medicine that's not, you know, that I think people have really had to suppress and just because it's, it's so wack that. It's it's schedule one. It's It's It's harrowing, right. I mean, in that is how I viewed it, too. And talk to me is about it as medicine. Yeah, only Not a single patient that we saw in the practice when I was there. Did I know of taking cannabis for like seizures or any of the medical autism or anything like that?
I can honestly say, I probably would have poo pooed it I probably would have been like, Yeah, right. That's helping your kids seizures. Right. But all right, wink, wink. But really, my mind has been completely open. Well, we're so indoctrinated. I mean, it's just that that piece of history is just not shared with people about you know, the reefer madness and the whole just kind of suppression of the the alternative health stuff back in the night, early 1900s, and all that stuff. So yeah, it's not a surprise and our medical system is set up for profit. So again, it was just all news to me. I was literally suicidal that day in Vegas, and I go to a dispensary and the bud tender, recommended some products then we're really heavy into cub based, heavy merged terpene kind of base, and they caught me off the ledge.
Sure you Jill. It wasn't like a panacea that like one day I just opened my eyes and oh, cannabis is here. Oh, I'm all better. That's not how it works. Yeah, the universe has allowed me to explore. Honestly, it's allowed me to be able to understand my injury, it's been able to help me help others. See that cannabis isn't so bad. It's given me hope, when I had none. and removing the stigma of this plant is honestly what's in my heart that I really want to help do. I am not effective as a lobbyist meaning like, Let's hurry up Capitol and start screaming and chanting is not my dream, either. I want it to be and kudos to those people. Right. Right. Right. Close. But that's not Nikki lolly. Because Nikki lollies, try that twice now. And each time. It set me back for like three weeks. I can't handle extreme, and that's part of your T TVI. CVI no art completely understandable. I mean, but in the past, that never would have been me. So Right. Right. So we used to the new normal, the new normal, the new normal, is way better way better. So the first time you tried it, it got you off the ledge. And then how did you bring it back to New York? And yeah, so I expected since I had this Nevada card. It actually was a California card because Nevada offers reciprocity. So medical patients can go state to state so they don't care where your card came from. And if there was a partnership with a doctor in California, so you got your medical card from California, and it was good in Nevada. So once I had that I figured out Well, I'm just gonna come home to New York and just give him my card from California. Here you go. Right, right. He could it was just gonna be a boom, boom. And here you go and you're gonna get the same stuff. I quickly learned that was not the case. Chronic pain was not on the list of covered conditions for New York State back in early 2017. Wow. It was devastate I bet I bet I bet that felt like a big punch to the gut. I was like, are you kidding me right now? And then I was like, Oh, wait, the incident. You know, I had, you know, friends of friends of friends trying to get me some weed right off from Bubba down was that lives in the forest Don bag and yeah, you get a little baggie. And, and like, this isn't medicine, like, I had like little pre roll things that were all in a nice little package. And it had what was in it? And this is like, No, I don't even know how to roll a joint. So. So at that time, I was just like, Yeah, no. And it was absolutely disheartening again, so then I was back to that hopeless state. I was still on the drugs and, and after my little honeymoon in Vegas, three days that I had there of medicine. And again, it wasn't like everything changed. It was all perfect. And that's good to know that you mentioned that because you I guess you don't want to raise people's expectations that it's like this magic thing that happens. I think you said last time it's you and I've heard this from other people. It just made you maybe less aware of the pain. Yeah, some ways. Yes. Expanded your consciousness type thing. You the ability to see other things besides the pain, I think is probably the that's a good really good way to Yeah, you know, it's um, it's definitely not a full panacea and different cannabis cultivars affect me differently. Unfortunately, I have or fortunately, I don't metabolize cannabis well, so anything that's fat soluble, which edibles edibles, THC, CBD, those are fat soluble components, right. Anything that requires first pass digestion, for me, does not work. I've had weight loss surgery, and I have no gallbladder, okay? Also like a bunch of genetic testing that says I metabolize THC ultra fast, interesting, likely, it'll be out of my system as quick as it's been. So I have found for me, the only way to medicate is with smoking, smoking and having tested quality cannabis was not something I was able to have here in New York State.
Living 15 minutes from the Canadian border, right? Niagara Falls, Ontario. I discovered medical cannabis in Canada. And that is where I learned so much. And I was exposed to some of the most awesome humans in Canada. That's awesome. That's so cool. I call them my moose mates. Because I love moose, and they're all my mates. But really, I learned so much about the plant, I was able to try so many different cultivars. And then once it became legal in Canada for recreational adult use, it was even easier to sample different strains and everything was going really good. And I mean, I was like, yeah, understand what was working and what minor cannabinoids, were working and get what works for you. Just out of curiosity. I know you're for anybody out there. A
screen name means nothing. Okay,
what we can say. It's kind of like sounds like a similar thing. So Durbin poison. Oh, well, yeah. But too much, actually will give me a headache. Okay. Alaskan Thunder fog. Not a good strain for me. Working isn't that not a good plan for me? So, so I'm more of a haze girl.
you're to a Cush girl. I find strains high in lining and pining such as your fruity or strange like Lemon
lemon Hayes's teases not crushes are definitely more mice. Okay? someday they'll figure out why. They will. And I've taken all kinds of this genetic gene. I've done like seven of them. Wow. There's no consistency in any silly really, Oh, that's too bad in the beginning. I love the technology and I really want it to work because we could validate so many people their experience, right? They really could make this technology really work. like they've died with me three and me but truly with cannabis. Same with any other drug. I saw an interesting thing on 60 minutes. And apparently China is kind of doing all this stuff with AI. Yeah, they're probably the biggest database of all gene data. Okay. And so yeah, I've heard heard about that recently. Yeah. You know, like, just a few, maybe I was watching some video on I heard something about that. Yeah, it's kind of scary. It's very scary. But like, my genes are all over the place. Like, I'm in 23, mes database, I'm in all these different cannabis companies, databases.
my jeans are all over. Yeah, and so on. If I was you, I would have done the same thing. Like you, you want that information you want as much information as you have, you could have so you can, yeah, you can really hone in on what you need, and not have to like stress about it all the time. It's just gotta be like, Am I going to get my money? I mean, I know what I mean, like kids on prescriptions, you know, if we can't get a prescription, it's really stressful. You know, if the doctor doesn't call it in, or, you know, they run out that I get it. And it's, it's like that for you. And it's just not fair that, that there's so many barriers to your ability to take care of your health. So, so I mean, really changed everything because the Canadian border close. So right and didn't chart in March of last year. I would go to Canada, twice a week. Yep. And I would medicate, and I would I have a storage unit in Canada that stores my cannabis for me. And so you couldn't take it back? Oh, no, I never can take it back. Because then that would be international drug trip. With my little sack of weed. Yeah. No. See, I guess I didn't never made that connection that, you know, you'd go there just to medicate it. But then you couldn't bring it back home. So? No, it's so it's another huge barrier. Yeah, I mean, and I really wanted in a perfect world, I thought it would be amazing if a Canadian licensed producer, could you know, bring me on as some kind of spokesperson.
relocate there, you know, and I feel that it could really work for me because I would have my medicine, I could really help research people, you know, bring my experience. Absolutely. You'd be great. And help the science of advancing cannabis. You know, TBI, and someone that has to smoke the product, you know, when, you know, kudos to you if you can find some product that works the exact same way or even sort of close or similar? Yeah, we'll make a zillion dollars because there are other people like me with the same problems. Maybe not to my extent. But I've learned so much about this plant, and there's so much more to learn. And right. We're just at the beginning, really any of us. Exactly. And New York State is looking at legalization. Yes. I keep seeing that. Is that gonna happen? Well, I was part of it for the last two years and nothing happened. And it was credibly disappointing. Jamie, incredibly, they all got a position so they can make the most money off of it, I think is there's so much of that behind it. I don't know all of it. But oh, no, you're 100%. And I really didn't understand that. Like I always just heard people say that, right. But let me assure you, that's it. I've never seen a more corrupt system literally starting at the very, very top of how it all works together. And there's a proposal out there right now, I believe it's called the CR ta the cannabis reinvestment bullshit act from FOMO. And it absolutely is. Shit. It is horrible. We worked for two years to bring another congresspersons plan to x forget not knowing these names off the top of my head, but honestly, I sort of PTSD them out and just kind of because it was stressful, but I do need them out. Mr. Ta is much better and is actually you know, talks about patients and cares about reinvestment for the communities affected by you know, actually cares. Yeah, compared to what FOMO has on the table right now.
Okay, what was that the
M M r t a lot better than the CR ta the C bad. m good. Got it. That's the only thing I know for sure. Okay, um, but really, it's so screwed up. We only have 10 licensed organizations in our state. Okay. 10. Wow. I mean, one of the biggest states, yeah. Population wise, our medical program, when I got into it, in May of I think it was 17. I literally, we were like, under 50,000 patients. I mean, there were so few patients in New York State. As now I think we're at like, 136, maybe 140. But, I mean, that's like a huge difference. Oklahoma, has like 10% of their population, medical cannabis cards, they got the most per capita medical way is in Oklahoma. Oh,
What that shows you is the illicit market is booming in New York State. Oh, yeah. Medical Cannabis card. And the, like, it's not tested the illicit market, right. I don't know what I'm getting. If I rely on the illicit market, and unfortunately, during a pandemic, there aren't many options for me, I can't travel. Yeah, I can't go to my get my medicine in Canada. I can't experience relief in Nevada and go spend time there. Yeah. Oh, I'm landlocked. Yeah. And in, you just learn how to adapt. And yeah,
cope. And you make a lot of new friends that are patients like yourself, that they need help, just like you do,
that's how you deal. It's how you deal. And honestly, people that have the skill to be able to grow the plant. kudos to them. I had a garden outside, nothing would grow. So my point is, I would love to be able to designate a grower,
right, like a little Co Op,
like a co op to have my plants that work. For me my cannabis strains that actually work. I don't want to touch it. I don't want to grow it. I don't want to worry about bugs, dirt, any of that. He care about the medicine? And if I could call up one 800. You know, please pay for my weed. I would. And it just, it's really a hard struggle being from a very medical background to now having like, at least school environment like yeah, it's all
just, you know, I mean, it made sense. I had to learn a whole different perspective. Yeah, there's this panda. And it's not fair. Because you just don't know what you're getting. And yet, you're terrified, terrified that if you tell somebody that you're getting something from somebody, then I mean, it's just such a cluster. Stupid cluster. Yeah. Yeah, that you should ever feel anything but you know, positivity and relief from the fact that you figured out how to take care of yourself. You know, isn't that we're supposed to do with it? Yeah. So you figured it out? You know, you don't really need as much of the medical system. But here you are. I don't know. I just see such a travesty. I just think that if we I get the federal level legalization embrace, not too excited about the more act. Yes, guys, it's a start. Yeah, I guess I have really big I mean, I can see both sides. But you know, I can see both sides. There's got to be a way to to for people that are like reliant on it. And I would say I am too. I'm not in any way. Do I need a specific strain? But it definitely is my medicine. You know, I use a lot of holistic medicine, you know, not just cannabis. And it's because things have to change. How's it been with your family? My family going through this?
I didn't want to get hurt initially for all of us. Yeah. Well, like what you were saying about your husband, it sounds to me, outsider looking in, like he just really didn't know what to do and was trying really hard, but just couldn't really relate at the at towards the end. Because, I mean, when you're with somebody that's depressed, it wears you down. I have to say, you know, I mean, I have, I mean, I've been depressed. My kids have gone through some really dark places, dark spells, and it's just, it's exhausting. So, but then you're like, feeling even more alone? Because, you know, you probably could sense that you're driving people crazy. And
yeah, it was a real challenge because I just wanted to get better. I just wanted my head to stop hurting. I just wanted someone to hear me and give me an explanation instead. Yeah, it's really in your head fighting. so mad system in New York State was hell. And I actually got them to pay for New York state medical cannabis.
Wait a minute, fighting the what?
Oh, the New York State medical workers compensation.
Oh, you did? Wow work. So I had to fight to just see the right providers, I spent so much money out of pocket. I bet workers compensation pays for next to nothing. Yeah, unless you have specific doctors that they are willing to pay for. You can't get care, right. Everything was struggle from medical massage, physical therapy, to cognitive therapy, you name it, they fought you on Oh, my gosh. And then to have independent medical exams that are paid for by the insurance company spend literally three and a half minutes with me. Look at all the medical records and right, she can return to work in six weeks, and she has no problems.
Are you kidding me?
I pregnant? Oh,
I mean, I know you're not I just
know, why did you even bother going in? Like an unbelievable edit. This was I just settled this past year in May, with workers compensation because they literally don't pay for anything anyway. So I have a crazy deductible or my Should I ever need neck surgery, then I have like an insane deductible, because worker's comp just settles the claim. So they feel they're no longer responsible. And I signed off on that. But to me the peace of mind and not having to answer to them every time I need a prescription every time I needed something was far more worth it to settle, then I hear you. You can't carry that on. That's just like re traumatizing yourself, basically. Pretty much, pretty much. But you know, it's okay. I found so much support with this plant and people in the industry and people. So you're kind of changed your life around and kind of made it work, despite, you know, still having the TBI and still having these challenges to getting your medicine. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was out, you know, trying to find the people that need to hear the message the most. You know, I've done tons of research on just why the plant works the way it does. And so tell us a little bit about what you've learned if you can about why it works the way it does for a TBI. So, again, I am not speaking from a science perspective. I'm giving you my summary, a dumbed down brain injured human, that's what we version. But I learned about the endocannabinoid system, right? Hello, what's your surprise when you learn about it? Like why not? How does this like? Go? I mean, to me our entire medical system? Well, it's our I know it's messed up. But they've like without that information. Nothing is really as effective as it could be because we're not factoring in the effect of the endocannabinoid system on you know, 100%. And, again, when
I first heard about it, I was like, yeah, that's some Hocus Pocus. On Joe Rogan, I'm like, Really? I remember I was like, there's an He's like, Oh, yeah, there's this. There's this thing called the endocannabinoid system. And I was like, Huh, but something in my head. I was like, I'm gonna look that up.
Yeah. And again, I looked for the best way of trying to understand it. And I don't know if you can see behind me, but there's numerous cannabis books. We have. Yes. And one of the best is the medical cannabis primer by Ruth Fisher here,
right up here.
This book probably helped me more than anything ever. It was a noun. So simply because if you look at most cannabis books, they're all just words. Ruth's book breaks it up into little excerpts. So it's real easy to understand and easy to read. little short. Yes, I do. Okay, on Facebook, because it's usually a little shorter days. If you give me a 12 page article to read, I won't retain any of it. And so this short, little blurbs of learning are what has helped me the most, and it's helped me understand the locking Key System and understand that we have receptors, right. And it's really not BS. It's really there. And you know, reading up on like Ethan Russo and Dr. Marsha Olam and, you know some of the really, really respected scientists right now that are activists studying this are who you should be getting your information from. Yeah, there's a lot of Hocus Pocus out there. There are people saying things that are so false and when I say false, literally on the news the other day, they were talking to a hemp farmer. And the guy like, this guy's like, yeah, our flowers don't produce anything that's psycho. That's turns that turns you psycho. I'm like, Why are you saying, You psycho? Or your
attorney said like, you really
said this on the news. And I was like, This is why Yeah, are in the place. We are right. Like, I can't believe that in this day and age. I mean, I know I'm in a more progressive state for cannabis. Kinda, but that anybody it has any doubt that this is legit. So, but what I've learned, the reason it helps me I believe is it's the inflammation. And there's a lot of inflammation in the brain after you've had any kind of
So I've had several TBI since my third one, that was my game change. Wow. And the three I've had since even though they're more severe in symptom in blow, well, not necessarily blow. My third one was a pretty good blow. But I fell face first two years ago.
actually, it wasn't today. It was on the 13th I think, but almost two years ago showed up in my memories. I was going to see a recognized cannabis professional here in New York State talk about TBI at a seminar like I was there, and I actually it was super icy and I explanted and ripped up my knee. And I mean, I like faceplant. Oh, on the Smiths. And so on my way into this job. Yes.
I know, right? Yeah. And so I literally got taken to the hospital, and it was really bad. But I gotta tell you, Joe, I recovered from that so much faster than the third one. And I genuinely believe it's because I have cannabis in my system. Yeah, it brought the inflammation down right away. Yes. Yes. So you weren't getting like things on top of things. If you beat it down, right. This is my way person vision. Like I can see it like it goes down. And then you know, the worst things don't happen. Yeah, I mean, it's just super cool to think that in the Israeli army, they actually give the soldiers a squirt of THC, cannabis up their nose, if they suffer blast injury, really, really, in the army and the paramedics
and we can't figure that out here.
We have not even thought that shit. That's amazing. But really Google it.
By the way view, I believe I will
know that. So, you know, to me that validated This is medicine, like big time, I bet. And knowing that I suffered so much less than I did from the blow number three, which was I had had two minor traumatic brain injuries. And we all were saying, well, this third one was so bad because you had two minor ones. And they weren't as bad but I don't know. I just think this was a really bad blow the head.
Yeah, so what happened with the third one?
The third one was my the 10. Okay, yeah. And then the fourth one, I actually crashed into a desk glass snack bar, passed out the whole nine yards, but I had cannabis on board. I was in Canada. It was really weird. Wow, that's out with that one. And again, I recovered much quicker. Like I got back a baseline like it should almost be like in the ambulance when people go to a
Yeah, right away up the nose. Yeah,
immediately, immediately. That's like something that really needs to be talked about. I and at soccer games and football games that
anywhere where there's potential
pain to use it as an abusive thing I'm saying to use to reduce swelling,
you know, right,
right, right. Evil improve neuroprotective properties, and there is multiple studies on Yeah, so
the crazy world we live in to the
other medical professionals that don't have the education just because we're new. Ever exposed to it? I mean, the only way we can educate is to learn and teach others. I think Kurt Robbins says it the best all the time on LinkedIn. I mean, once you learn it, you got to teach it to other people. Because once you learn the real deal, you then can become passionate and become an evangelist, if you will. The plan for Angeles. Yeah. And you know, it's funny, because sometimes I think, Well, a lot of people that I've known, they didn't really get it until they tried it, or they had their own experience. Yeah, it's almost like some for some, the stigma is so deep that they almost have to have a personal experience where they end up needing it. So it's kind of funny, the naysayers who are the ones who are like, yeah, if you smoke medicines, not really medicine. They're the first ones that call me Nikki, Miley. My grandmother just got cancer, what do I do? Right? And I mean, they're the first ones that, you know, oh, should I reach out or not? Because I've been, like, never like it or stuff and everything. But honestly, I'm fighting for those people. That's okay. Right. I mean, you know, so that everyone can be educated, you know, different people, resound and can identify with different stories. And yeah, people that can identify with mine, don't give up, because there is hope in this plan for the apple that, you know, need the more structured clinical, you know, direct approach, there are people for you out there that have the story. Yeah, we are resources of information. And it's just about connecting the dots to the right players so that everybody can be part of this ecosystem. Because patients have a place, the illicit market has a place, the people of color or anybody that has been wronged by drugs has a place in this industry, and we need to give them a voice because you know what, they know a lot more than the stupid senator sitting up there, right? It's never smoked a joint. So maybe that guy doesn't know much about business, but he sure knows about growing the plant.
And yeah, it's like we have to see it comes. I think there's a lot of people that they need to see it come through this. It has to come through a doctor or has to come through a position of authority when you know so many people, it's the healers. It's the people that have had traumatic brain injuries that actually really No, that's what I've discovered. I mean, the doctors are learning and some of them, the ones that actually come out and talk about their own experiences and how it's helped them. Like, who is it? God,
what Dr. Joon Shin, she's got a really good story. Yeah, she know, why wasn't her it was a dude and I and I'm having a senior moment. Like, who was the guy that just the big cannabis cannabis guy that died? And his it's his son? Oh, greenspoon. Peter. Yeah. Yeah. Like he talks about opiate being addicted to opium. That's, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's all about coming out of the closet and people that have had success with the plant. Maybe you don't want to call it anxiety, maybe you want to call it just chill out. But look at it a little differently. You are anxious. And so instead of picking up that glass of wine used to join people to understand that they're not like, yeah, it's medicine. Still a challenge, Nicky, and I think you're doing a great job put, you know, just putting the message out there every day. I see you on social media. always positive, but real honest. So it's not a panacea just know. You know, every day, we just do the best we can. Tomorrow. I hope to be a better person than I was today. Yeah, thank you for doing this. It was really really fun. Yeah, that's about all I have for you. Do you have anything else to? To share? Like, are you I know you're always on podcasts. Now. Your website is Nikki and the plants, Nikki and the plant.org. Okay. And I'll put all that in the notes when we do episode up. And I have Nikki in the plant page on Facebook, Instagram, Nikki, lolly, LinkedIn, Nikki, lolly. I can't accept any more friends on Facebook. I'm gonna have to do a little weed out. So anybody out there wants to learn about cannabis wants to just see some positivity and get educated. Check out Nicky lolly. Hey, that's great. Thanks so much. You're so welcome. All right. Take care. Have a good day. You too. Yeah. Bye.