🍃Growing BIG A$$ Plants, Utililzing Horsetail, and Plant Medicine Deep Dive, with OKCalyxx

1:41AM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

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sunflower breeding

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IMO production

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gardening benefits

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reptile bedding

outdoor cannabis

mold prevention

alternate pruning

bamboo support

volunteer plants

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yarn method

trichome health

natural farming

October class

rice circle

IMO overview

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Grow Cast

Greetings listeners from around the world. Jordan River here back with more grow cast just in time for the hunt. I am back, everybody. Thank you so much for your patience and for your well wishes. I really appreciate that I am losing my voice a little bit just in this intro here. Forgive me, but I just want to say thank you. I am back to a full time content, schedule. There are some changes that are coming up, all good things. Got a lot of things in the works. You guys know how I roll, but we're gonna get back into the swing of things with grow cast podcast, and then I'll be making some announcements about the show and about membership. So stay tuned for that again. Thank you for all your well wishes. I appreciate everybody who reached out. Means a lot to me, and I'm happy to be back serving you with more grow cast podcast. We're returning with fan favorite, okay, calyx, really great episode we have recorded, you know, okay, call x is a passionate guy. He has a lot to share today on education, on our upcoming class, and on all the stuff that he's doing at his property. So it's a really great one. I hope you love it. I know you'll enjoy it before we jump into it with okcalx, though. Shout out to AC infinity. That's right. Acinity.com, code grow, cast one five to get your savings and go ahead and order the Grow kits. They've got the ventilation fans. They've got lights, pots, scissors. They used to just make intake and outtake fans, and they were the best fans in the game. Still are, but now they've expanded to so much more. Their grow tents were a huge step up for the industry. Everybody started copying that style as soon as it came out. Really, really awesome design and oscillating fans. No one does it better than the cloud Ray. They've got heaters, they've got humidifiers, they've got shades, really cool stuff. It's all at AC, infinity.com, it's all waiting for you. Code grow cast one, five, and that code even works on the Grow kits. It might not be the full discount, but it'll get you a little money off even the all in one grow kits that comes with the tent, the lights and the fans and everything you need to get started growing. So why don't you just throw up another 10? I know you guys are gonna jump in on the grand fino hunt, so just go ahead and grab another tent. Grab another propagation. Tent, AC infinity.com, use code grow cast, one five helps us out. Helps them out. Thank you so much. AC infinity, thank you to everybody listening. Let's get into it with ok. Call X and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners who are now listening to grow cast, I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show. It really does help us copy this link and send it to a grower or turn a smoker on to growing for the first time. That is how you can help us on our mission of overgrow. Make sure you're subscribed following wherever you listen to us. Growcast podcast.com is where you can find all of the stuff, the episodes, the classes, the membership, the seeds, it's all there. Thank you so much to the members for making this show possible. Today, we've got a good friend of the show back on the line, natural farming expert, co host of a class that we will be doing later this year. You guys know him. You love him. Okay, Calex is back on the show. What's up? Okay, Calex, how you doing?

Man, what's going on? Brother? Jordan, hi, everybody listening. Well, it's summertime and the garden is pumping. It looks great. I've got big old sunflowers. I've got my own sunflowers. They're called shorty fat heads. It's a breed that I've been trying to breed basically through selection, you know, just constantly picking that one sunflower, and I'm like, That's the height, that's the look, and then letting the rest just kind of go. But it's a shorty, fat head. I've sent them out to a few people. They've got them growing. Also, I've had them kind of test them and see what they look like. But the leaves Jordan, they're monster leaves. They're, they're a foot and a half across on some of these plants. And they're, they're, they don't get big and tall. Here's the thing, if you grow sunflowers, one good thing you should grow in your garden are sunflowers. They they pull up yucky stuff from the soil. They make great biochar. They do great compost. They make great fermented plant extract. They make great organic material to put in your garden. Because remember, these plants are pulling energy and nutrient from the sun. So they're not just pulling everything from your soil, soil. You are definitely adding more nutrient. And the sunflower just loves that sun. They put tons of big leaf, lots of foliage. And so they're really good for many reasons, but I've got beautiful sunflowers all throughout my garden. This year I did, uh, I did bean poles, where I went and cut some bamboo that are probably eight feet tall, put them in a teepee style, and grew my their blue lakes, Blue Lake beans grew up the poles. But then inside, inside the poles, I put some of these shorty, fat head sunflowers. And so right now I've got, I've got sunflower heads poking out of these tall, eight foot poles that are covered with bean vines. And it just looks freaking fantastic. Because, again, this is the, this is my first summer to have four brand new no tills. They're all basically about 30 feet long, four feet wide, and they're just new. They're in my backyard. There's, there's just me creating good soil yet again, in one in one spot. You know? The idea. But these, these bean poles, I love them. They're so picturesque. They're pretty. They're tall, bushy with sunflowers sticking out. We've already harvested beans off of them. We've already eaten them. Sounds amazing,

man. So you're doing that sunflower breeding yourself. You know, ryzo Rich did a little sunflower breeding. He did. He had a mammoth sunflower that was coming out split down the middle, yellow on the one half and and orange on another half. Not all of them were coming out like that, but some of them were, I'd love to get you some of those seeds. Maybe we can trade sunflower lines. I didn't know you were working that. Dude, that's really, really cool. Where? Where are people going to be able to get that? Are they going to be able to purchase that? Are those going to be freebies and orders? How does that

work? Yeah. So right now they're in orders. They're freebies that I throw in there because, you know, you make one big sunflower, and you've already got four or 500 seeds off of that one head. So great

for birds, too. For that recent couch inviting birds into your garden, which will help with IPM and all sorts of stuff. Good call on sunflower companion planting. I didn't think enough about that. And

those seeds. You can crush those seeds up and hammer them or whatever, and throw them in, IMO, three mix as an input. There's all kinds of stuff you can do with that sunflower, besides them being attractors of pollinators and butterflies and just beautiful things. One thing that I have an issue with are my squirrels. They'll crawl up the stem and try to get to the seed, and they'll break them over. And so here's the thing. Here's the whole reason I'm breeding my my selection of shorty, fat head. I don't want a big, tall, 10 foot sunflower plant that puts on a blot of foliage and a sunflower head that's about three inches across. Yeah, I do not like that. It just like that's an absorbing sponge that didn't put out anything beautiful. You know, if you were wanting foliage and green manure, then they're great. But I'm going for esthetic. I want prettiness. I want beauty part in my garden also,

yeah, they fall over too. If you're in too small of a container and they get so, so tall, that was the first thing. I had some that were like, kind of falling over. So I Okay, I like it, shorty, fat head. I love it. It's exactly what it is, that's

right. So I wanted a short plant. I want a shorter plant that's about three to four feet tall, but with that Mama sunflower head on it, and that's exactly what I'm looking at one right now that's about up to my shoulders, and the head on it looks about six inches across so far, and she just opened up yesterday. Wow, so it's gonna get bigger, but, yeah, man, it's so sunflowers they bring they bring beauty, guys. That's the thing about gardening, don't just I mean, grow for sure, but once you learn to grow, start growing for prettiness and beauty, because then you're going to go out there and look, and people come over and be like, dang, that garden looks amazing, you know, because yellows and reds pop really well behind green. Those are grassro. I have red roses all through my yard. I like growing those bright orange ish red. I forgot the name of it, not a Zinnia, but a different another flower. Anyway, moving on, the sunflower, is the big flower with the big yellow, and they're bright and they pop. And so there's so many reasons getting those sunflowers, you're

absolutely right. And okay, so first of all, great start to an episode coming out really hot. Two, two challenges for the audience members, the first is to grow these types of flowers, and growing sunflowers in your garden is a great companion plant for all the reasons that okay, Calex just said. The other thing that I would like to challenge people to do is looking at your garden as a garden and as a work of art and less of a production center. And that's exactly what you just said when you're going for esthetic and beauty. And you know why I think that's impactful. Alex, I've been really thinking about this. I'm very choosy with my words. In the modern, chaotic world that we live in, the garden brings you peace. The Garden brings you peace, peace of mind, peaceful state when it comes to your parasympathetic nervous system, a real stillness and peace. And the more beauty you have in there, and the more aromas you have in there, and the more colors you have in there, the more profound that piece is going to be. And I think that that's one of the most impactful parts of gardening, not just the production side and good weed and good medicine or whatever, but the peace you feel when you're in your garden. So I totally agree, Alex, thinking it outside of just a production center and more of a bit of a work of art. Um,

Jordan, I could sit here and have multiple lectures on the this topic of gardening, gardening and mental health. Yeah, just go on forever with that I did. Let me, let me take it back to a, you know, I got my doctorate in seminary. So I'll take it back to a biblical idea. Where did we begin in the Biblical understanding of mankind, in a garden that was providing for him? You know, there's an idea that we are, we are people to what's called, The Bible calls husbandry. We, we are husbands to the garden. We protect and tend and take care of and and try to manipulate in ways that bring, bring the what we want, because it is pleasing to us, and it actually does serve us. If you work it, yeah, it will serve you in so many ways. Mental health is one your eyes like beauty and structure. If you look at a. Sunflower you're going to see that universal pattern. Yes, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Golden

Ratio, the golden ratio in your sunflower spiral. I recommend everyone look up the Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio. That'll send you down a rabbit hole. Yeah, dude,

not only that, you want to talk about the vibrations and frequencies of plants and things like that that you're walking around and being near and by and all that stuff. But, yeah, your eye wants beauty. Your eye has evolved to understand something that is pattern formed and organized, because that's how you your body, your mind, your your your eyes can recognize a face like you'll totally you'll see something to the side. Oh, I thought that was somebody over there, yeah, because your mind thought it was a person. Because something organized in your brain to present that to you. When you go in your garden, it's presenting all these, all these new patterns and forms and shapes that are organized and have been evolving for millions of years to form these shapes that Mother Nature want there. If you look at the cannabis plant or the sunflower plant, let's talk about the cannabis plant actually, specifically, when it starts to grow, you get the two COVID Right, and it's symmetrical. And then you're going to get your next leaves, maybe, maybe a three finger leaf. They're going to be symmetrical, meaning one on one side, one on the other. And it's going to continue to do this, and it's going to continue to get healthy and healthy. And then there's one point at where Dr Linnaeus, where you see the cannabis, Cannabis sativa, L. That L is for the nice, it's the it's the bot. It's the botanist that kind of described the cannabis plant. He calls it the G shift. And that's where the plant stops going symmetrical and becomes asymmetrical. One STEM is higher than the other, and that's where you can only now clone the plant. You don't top it anymore because it won't it just sends out one branch because it becomes different. But just those shapes are the most efficient and effective shapes for that plant to become the best it can possibly be. So we can learn from these plants, also efficiency and building and structure and knowing and just looking at nature. You You can learn how to live in so many ways. So I couldn't agree with you more, Jordan, that the garden brings joy, and one of the reasons back in August, August 26 2016 is when I stopped doing any kind of pill or alcohol at all, and I've only used Earth medicines ever since. And I started getting into gardening and landscaping and all this because I told my wife, I was like, man, for some reason, this was years ago. I said, some reason this is, this is healing to me, Wow, because it was helping me not feel anxious and depressed. So it was like, the beginning step of me getting mentally healthy was getting in the garden and Jordan, I have a I have a saying, learn to break open unhealthy mental loops by learning to close healthy, organic loops. And that's how I that's how I structured it. Because in the mental health world, you have this idea of the loop, and it's where you constantly replay a thought over and over and over again, and you don't even know you're doing it. My thoughts were always leading to, like, death and stuff, and it was just rough. But I realized I do loop like, like, say something happens where you got embarrassed for four or five days, you'll play that story over and over and over again in your head, right? And that's what is so mentally unhealthy. You have to begin to learn to forgive yourself. You have to know that everybody messes up. You have to laugh at yourself. You get a chance to correct yourself. So what move on, right? You have to learn how to be a healthy thinking human being, and that's how you break the loop is becoming mentally healthy. You have to break those loops in life, and I broke my mental loops like that by closing organic loops. But, you know, keeping everything in the farm, if you will, trying to learn how to reuse stuff and manipulate things to my advantage and see the benefit of it. In the end, it makes you feel good. You know, because one thing in the human life that people don't understand is it's not about achieving the goal. The feeling will fade once you achieve the goal. The real thing is the steps that it takes to get there, and those small victories that you must learn to celebrate on your way to becoming the winner, and even if you don't win, those steps moving forward on what you celebrate. Because you're learning and you're learning and you're learning and you're learning to forgive yourself and mess up often. Though you're also learning, dude, I do do I can do this. There's something great within me that's making me awesome, and I'm gonna keep hustling and make myself awesome. And that's becoming mentally healthy, and all that started in the garden. Here's what

I would say to that, Alex, I think you're 1,000% right, and I think it has to do with the natural order of things. What do they call these things and diagnose them as whether or not one agrees with it. They call them disorders. There's a disorder within you, and I see why they label it that it's exactly like you just said, your your mind, by the way. This happens with intelligent people. This happens with people who have a powerful mind, who have a mind that likes to deconstruct things, who can't. Just shut it off and let it go. That's where people really struggle with this. And you're right. They get caught in these loops. So to replace this negative mental loop with an organic system, a natural system that you can observe and be a part of that does operate in a sense of order. It does make sense. It always works. It's a form of stability. It's the opposite of being unhinged. It hinges you, essentially. It grounds you. Some might say, so listen, I didn't know that we were going to take this turn down here, but we should. We should probably do some content around this sometime. Okay, Calex, because I think you and I probably have a lot to say on this subject. Yeah,

you've, you've talked about this many times. I've heard you talk about just being healthy, gardening, growing, cannabis, all kinds of stuff. I used to

work in personal development, and you seem like you're you're borderline a motivational speaker at this point. The speech that you gave at Community cup was so touching and so just perfectly balanced. It just really good stuff. Man, so good. I

love that on YouTube. Y'all I posted that on my YouTube page. Okay, Alex, YouTube, go watch that

good fucking kick off to this episode. Man, hey, listen, there's a lot I want to get into here. You mentioned your soil. I want to dive right into that. Actually. No, I'm going to take a little turn. First. You sent me as part of our episode prep, you sent me an interesting little note here. You're getting into raising reptiles. Have you always been into raising reptiles? Talk to

me about it. No, I don't know. I don't like him. And this is just an experiment. And I, you know, the more I read, it's a bearded dragon, y'all, it's just a little bitty baby one. And I've, I've heard that they do pass away often. It's not that, you know, it's not that crazy for them to die on you. And I don't know how to do it. But we're trying to just use my IMO three and IMO four as the as the bedding. This is the idea. And if it you know, you can do this with a turtle. Use spider with lizard. It's just anything, instead of using paper towels and turf and then having to change that out and smelling all of that stuff. And that is kind of part of the reptile world. And I've learned all this from Brian at rubber ducky isopods and mark in my beneficials, two good guys. I've learned a lot of this from them. But we're trying to create a the idea in the soil or in the reptile world, that if you use a good, living, biologically active material, such as IMO three or IMO four. You could use that as the bedding in your reptile cage, and never have to change anything out. Because, you know, adding adding like springtails, adding isopods, things like that, help to break down the manure that the animals will leave, and the stink doesn't stays. It doesn't, it doesn't attract the flies. You can also grow like chia seed in there, or different greens that that these animals will eat on, that won't grow in paper towels and fake turf. So this is benefits to it, but this is all based around the idea of understanding soil. How can good soils be applied elsewhere, besides the garden, besides the indoor cannabis world, you know, we're just trying to be like man, good soils everywhere, right? Animals live in it. Are you getting

oil bedding? I mean, it makes sense, right? Yeah, so,

and the idea, here's the big kick. There's a mom and a dad, and there's a boy and a girl in a family. The boy wants that lizard, right? He wants that reptile. They have to change out the bedding constantly. They have to change out the the newspaper and all that stuff that they're using, and it's getting gross, and the boy is kind of starting to neglect it a little bit. Guess who starts to have to take care of the stink that's in the house the mom. And so when you're at these reptile shows, and these moms come around and you're like, Listen, you won't have to change that nasty, stinky bedding anymore if you use this IMO, this product called IMO three, they'll buy it immediately. Of course, mamas need it. They want it like it's that's the selling point right there for what we're

not changing a litter box. It's like exactly my money, essentially. But what you're telling me is the microbial activity that's so rich within the IMO just kind of consumes at hyper speed, all the different like urine minerals and like feces minerals, to the point where you what, you

never change it. You never change it. You can just add more to it. That's crazy. It doesn't stink, won't stink. That's right, that's the idea is, won't attract flies and all that stuff, because it's being consumed soon enough that you know it's being covered with a mycelial cover that flies can't get to it, the lay magazine and things like that. That's wild. Yeah, real beneficial in the reptile world. But you know, again, me rubber ducky, I suppose, and my beneficials. We're doing a YouTube show on Friday nights. We call it bioactive, live Friday nights at eight Central. And we just discussed these type of things, trying to, trying to, where can we move our abilities and what we've learned in cannabis out of the box and just kind of where can it be applied elsewhere? So that's the idea having fun with it. Well,

keep us up to date on the bearded dragon. That's pretty neat. Yeah. And that's just all you know different uses for these inputs that you've really gotten the hang of making. Man. I mean. And listen, maybe now is a good time to tease this before we jump into growing big plants and some soil input talk. I do want to take a minute and say, Guys, this class, okay, callux. It is his curriculum on his property, and it's going down this year. October 19 is the date we're about to drop the Eventbrite page. Next you'll be able to grab tickets, and you sent me the curriculum. Alex, I'm blown away you. Obviously, you are very passionate about this stuff. You're very knowledgeable about this stuff, but this is going to be so cool to be in a small group on your property, scavenging and hunting these materials, learning how to make all these materials. You've laid it out so that they'll be able to see all the different steps that you'll have pre planned. And like I said, they'll be able to talk with you, walk with you, do this stuff in person. This is going to be the most in depth, hands on natural farming class, grow casts ever been a part of. So I just want to say thank you for creating this class, creating this curriculum, and get ready for an awesome one October 19. Man, are you not so excited for this galaxy?

Oh, guys, you're a day. I mean, guys, I'm already it's we're not going to be meeting till October 19. I already have the syllabus and outline already done, because I'm assuming I can get everything in. Y'all, this baby is loaded like there's going to be I'm assuming at 9am is when we probably start Jordan. We're still figuring everything out, but I'm going to need the whole day. I can promise you that the circle of rice is what we begin with Jordan, and I'm going to teach everybody October 19. We start off with this idea of using rice in so many different ways. And I'm going to guys, this is you're going to learn rice, wash, cooked rice. I am a one labs, fermented plant extracts, em, em, 5am bukashi. That is just the first section of what we're going to go through and learn and make guys. This is October 19. There are limited spaces. You need to know that it's limited spaces. And I know they're going to fill up. We only have 30 spaces that, right? Jordan, 30 spaces,

30 people. So once this goes on sale, if you're interested in this is the class you want to travel for. This is the class you want to take a trip out and invest in your and you're going to walk away with a ton of inputs at the end, right calyx to to kind of jump start their microbial journey.

Yeah. Oh, definitely. So what I'm thinking is, right now, guys this and things can change. So I get the freedom to change my syllabus still until we meet. But right now, where I'm at is, at the end, it says they will leave with, IMO, two labs, em fi, bukashi, IMO, three, IMO, four, and probably humic acids, because it's easy to make with the material will get so I'm thinking, guys like, if you all even brought a five gallon bucket, bring some Walmart plastic bags, just some things to take stuff back with you. Some dry ingredients. You know, the wet ingredients will have some bots, either some jars or bottles or something. There even zip lock bags work. Guys, if you got a zip lock bath with liquid, you can take liquid home in that but we're not trying to spend a whole bunch of whole bunch of money. We're trying to put all the money into, uh, getting you all here, like Jordan is doing a lot of work, getting it out onto the into social media, getting us some things printed and all that. But I want you all showing up and taking home the goodies. It's going to be one on one, guys, it's me. First of all, I'm not bragging, but you, you, I get to meet you, and you get to meet me, right? We get to ask questions to one another. And I know that you guys, you know, when I first started organics, I didn't have anybody that I asked anything to. I was the I'm the guy that will find it out myself. I will try and fail and move on and learn and get better as I go. But when I first talked to Marco, is growing on Instagram. That was one of the first guys I talked to with organic stuff, and he's one of the reasons that I am where I am today. And I always give him credit, but he was an influence. And just to ask him a question that I couldn't take a step forward on because I was at my knowledge point. I was I couldn't move forward, couldn't find anything else. I needed someone with wisdom and experience. And Marco was that guy for me. He moved me feet forward in learning, IMO three production and IMO four production. And so that's going to happen with you. You get to ask me those questions all day long that are coming to your mind that you've been wanting to ask. And I encourage you to ask away. You were going to go out into the woods. You're going to hunt with me. I'm going to show you what I look for. Because y'all know, on my Instagram page, I go out in the woods and I dig things up, I chop it up, I make it up, I prep things for next year out in the woods. You know, I know what's coming. That's the idea of having something that's sustainable that I can go out every year and get and I know that it will be replenished throughout the years. You're going to learn to hunt with me in the woods like that, and then we're going to go make stuff. You're gonna pack it up, take it home. I mean, guys, it's gonna be fantastic. October 19, all day. And you know, Jordan, you mentioned travel. Guys, this is on our land in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, and we have a bed and breakfast there. And there are rooms out there. I think there's like seven spots in that house, Jordan. But there is the there will, Jordan, there could be the option of, if people want to come and stay the night before you know, and hang out there's that option. So we have lots of fun things that could happen. Guys,

yeah, we'll do that for like, an early ticket buyer thing again. Stay tuned. Next tickets will be going on sale, and this is going to be a big one. Guys, you're exactly right. Alex, what they want to do is to have personal interaction and be able to because you reach a saturation. Point with, like, what you're able to learn online and stuff like that. So if we can be in person, in the woods, doing this stuff in real time, this is going to be one of the greatest classes that we've ever been associated with. So stay tuned, everybody. Thank you. Okay, Calex and I cannot wait, catered lunch. Of course, it's going to be we're going to take care of you. It's going to be so much fun.

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This is what I want to move into next calyx, which is basically the idea that you have been investing in your soil. It's the opposite of the bottled fertilizer system, where you're reliant on buying these products over and over again. How many years have you been applying these types of microbes and inputs to your soil now? And what is the difference between now and when you were kind of first getting started in organics?

So my oldest no till bed is about seven years old. Well, I used to garden in my backyard, but it was in a different spot, and that has now been replaced with a an in a little pool and some rose bushes and stuff like that. And I moved everything to the other side of my yard back in 2018 when cannabis became legal. Because I was like, Okay, I am definitely getting in to grow at cannabis. And I started one no till spot that's about 10 feet long by about probably five feet six feet wide. And I've created no till spots every year since then, as of up to this year, where I have created four new no till long beds that are 30 feet long by four feet wide. Kind of really got into it this year, getting into no tills, and understanding how to develop, how to how to start, sustain and finish no till beds, you know, things like that. But seven years is my oldest one. About six months is my newest one. And the idea, like you said, investing in the soil in my gardens, is that I have the ability to invest in my soil. And let me start off by saying that, because what I started learning on Instagram is, when I first started, I was like, just do this, you know, just go out in the woods and get things and bring it back and put it down. It's real easy, y'all and and I started getting comments and questions like, I don't have any woods, or I live in New Mexico, we have no trees or shrubs or anything. And I started realizing, okay, environments are completely different. Not everyone can do what I can do, and so I kind of started to adjust my idea of organics in that you might not be able to do what I can do. That's just the way it is. Some people live in complexes, some people live in apartments, some people live in the neighborhoods that have, you know, associations that say no gardening or something like that. I don't have any of that, so I can get after it. And what I have done is gone out into the woods and I dig up from under logs, and I dig up sponge wood and bark. And this year I got a shred. Last year I did. I got a shredder, and I'm able to shred all this wood material down into a more a better texture for IMO, threes and mulches and stuff like that. But putting stuff from the woods that's already broken down into the garden brings lots of fungal material, lots of bike bacteria, things, even shredders and bugs. So that's one thing I do. The other thing I do is constantly adding green manure. And what green manure means, guys, is plants that have been chopped down, vegetation that's done and you can now put it somewhere, but that's organic matter. That's what it is. Both of these things are the wood part and the green manure part is simply under the context of organic material breaking down. To organic matter in your soil. And so that's how I prep these beds, constantly. Or tons of organic matter, like we talked about with sunflowers, they create lots of foliage, lots of organic material. And cannabis does the same thing, lots of defoliation throughout the year. Rose bushes, you know, lots of trimming off of those. And just lots of flowers and plants like nandinas, lots of things go that. All those things are said to tell you, I put it all in the garden. If it doesn't go in my garden, it goes in my compost bins. If it doesn't go in my compost bins, it goes in a five gallon bucket full of water to create JLF. If my JLF buckets are too full, I put the material in a five gallon bucket, fill it with water, add some labs, let it sit there for about two weeks, and I use that as fermented plant extract. I use the juice to help grow my plants, and then the remaining material goes back into the garden beds. So that's the idea. That's the mentality and the philosophy of my gardening is to use what I have used now, but I know I'll be able to use next year and use it effectively and efficiently, meaning, there's some materials that can be used in a better way at certain times of the year, like one thing, if you don't have enough JLF. Okay, now it's time to use all your vegetative material to build up your JLF put it in your bucket, fill it full of water, you know, put some leaf mold in there, things like that, and get your jlfs going. But what if your jlfs are full? Okay? It's time to think differently of how to use your organic material in your garden, right? It's probably time to make some fermented plant extract if your JLF is full, and if you have some labs available, you can make fermented plant extract from all this leafy green material. So doing those kind of things, reusing, going out, gathering, applying to certain spots effectively and efficiently, and not just wide open, you know, like that. My what I'm talking about is like when, when you have new no tills, I can't use all my compost in a no till, like, I can't cover all my no tills with compost because I don't have enough compost. So what I've got to do is be effective and efficient. And that means, when I plant a tomato plant, I want to plant, you know, about a six foot circle with compost in it, and put the plant in, and that's where my compost will be used, and it will be used anywhere else in that no till, until next year, when I apply more compost, but over the years, it gets built up. Yes,

that's really what I'm focusing in on here, is as you get to know your area, more as you get to know your inputs more, like you said, applying them in the right areas at the right times. Very, very crucial. But what you want is to get this, the system paying you dividends, essentially, which you know, after six, seven years in this in this bed, you stick anything in that bed, and it's just lush green, ripping you don't need to do anything with it. Can we focus in on a few of the specific inputs you do use. Though, you had mentioned a manure extract, a three year old manure extract, talk to me about that manure extract, how it's made and how it changes over the course of three years. Yeah,

good questions. So if I remember, remember all of them, I want to kind of talk you through it. So I went out into a field go here by my house. Know the farmer actually get pears off of off of their land, also from some pear trees they have, I'm sure, guys, I can tell you right now, he as a farmer, he probably uses antibacterials and things like that, like most farmers do. He's not an organic guy by any means. He's not organic farm. He's a farmer, and that just is what it is. But that's why it's a three year old manure. Also,

this is from cows, yeah, from cows, which

I've hardly ever used because of this very reason of what cows are injected with. Then they're going to go into my soil. And I'm trying to keep my soil pristine and clean and nice and organic So, but we live in the real world also, everybody. So don't get so stuck on a rule that you fail at everything. Right? Let, let it be a principle in your life. See, guys, rules break in different times and different settings. If we say, Never use cow manure, ever. Okay? What happens when you go to a place that the only fertilizer you have for your gardens are some type of animal manure? But guess what? You're gonna break your rules. Yeah, you're gonna break your rules. That's what you're gonna do, and that's why you want principles in your life. My principle is this, keep my soils pristine and healthy. Those are my activities, and everything I do is based around that. Now, if I want to incorporate some cow manure, because I've read up on it, and it's like, man, cow manure is really good for plants because it's chopped up plants. And remember, in the judom world, cannabis has what cannabis needs, plants have what plants needs. Grass has what grass needs, and the cow just processed it all down for us, but it's cow manure that was dry. So it's, it's dried patties, you know, that you could throw for feet because they're so light. I packed a five gallon bucket full of patties, and then what I did was added water, and I had to add water for two years, probably about a year and a half to two years somewhere around there, I had to constantly add water to this five gallon bucket because it absorbed it so much. I would open it months later and be like, Oh my gosh, it's still just dry as can be. And I had to add so much water until it finally. Got liquefied, and that took, like, two years. It took so long to absorb it and but what I was doing was also adding a little bit of labs in there. I probably would put a little IMO three, maybe mix it in, probably some IMO two, I really don't remember exactly what I did, but it's just the idea of fermenting this cow manure down and letting the microbiology break it down into its basic elements and nutrients so that it can be reapplied and immediately absorbed by whatever plants I'm growing. And so it took basically three years now for it to get liquidy enough that I can put a jar in there and get something that looks liquidy and not chunky. And I've used that probably five times, maybe four, maybe five times throughout my gardening this year, because you don't have to water a lot, you just or feed a lot. You just kind of sustaining, basically, the nutrients in the soil once you get to good soil, that is so this is a three year old fermented cow manure, and you call it a fermented cow manure extract, or whatever you want to do, anytime you use labs, you're going to call it an extract, because these the microbes, the the lactobacillus, the lactic acid bacteria, it will consume the the organic materials and break it down for you, and it will extract those nutrients. And so it's a it's a fermented cow manure extract that I've been doing, and that's kind of the process added water until it gets liquidy enough, and then start to add more labs as you go, and let it get runny enough that it can get in liquid form, that you can maybe foliar with it even. But I haven't foliated with it yet, but we use it as in soiled feeding. But it could take years for that to be ready, but that's why you do it now. You know, in the in the gardening world, they say, when's the best time to plant a tree yesterday? Right? That's the best time. Like, don't wait. If you have a feeling of wanting to start gardening, do it now. If you want to start organic stuff, do it now. Start doing things now, because it pays off. It pays off soon. It's the short term sacrifices for long term gains. That's a whole life principle. Everybody learn to have short term sacrifices, learn to give up, learn to learn to work hard now so that you can have a payoff later. That's the idea of a good husband in the garden we're doing. Husbandry is understanding what they're going to need next and always being prepared, because you're the Overlord. You're looking out for everybody. You know everything, and that's who you want to be as a good gardener. But make it now so that you're able to use it later. The next thing Jordan is a horsetail firm in a plant extract that I've been making. Oh

yes, I'd love to talk about this, because I've heard this be mentioned as like a silica accumulator. And, you know, does this and does that, tell me how you make it, how it's beneficial, everything.

So if you ever been out near near water or river or creek, you might see stuff that you think is some kind of weak bamboo. Well, I used to call horse tail river bamboo because I didn't know what it was up until basically last year. I really had no idea, because I only work in my own environment, and I just discovered it like a few years ago. It looks like a very thin bamboo that's not even as big as your pinky. The thing about horsetail, what's so cool about it is it's an ancient plant. It's a plant that spreads itself through spores, which is wild, right? It's really cool. Most likely to put off a seed, or like to put off a tuber or a root or whatever, but a horsetail puts off this top head. That's why it's called the horse tail. Is the very tip of the plant. It all looks like bamboo, right now. All the horse heads that I haven't cut down, they have a about inch long. It looks like, almost like a pine cone, an orange pine cone on the tip, but it's little bitty. It's like as big as your half your pinky. But that thing is what's full of spores, and the spores go flying out from that little tip. If you chop the, if you chop the horse tail, it'll put off side shoots just and it looks just like a bamboo plant will do. So it really looks bamboo, but it spreads through spores. And so you can get horse tail, that is, you know, sporing out. It's got that, that pine cone opening up and horse tailing out, you can take it to your garden and shake horse tail spores all over the place if you want. It'll it'll be invasive. But the thing is this, if you're in your garden, nothing's invasive. You're pulling all the time, right? You're the guy the nothing's invasive in my garden, except what I want to be invasive in it. So horsetail like back here behind my house along the creek, it has taken over, but I want to use it as an input, and so if it will grow in my garden, I don't have to go out into the woods and get it. I can have a patch of horse tail right there that makes my garden look pretty. It's available as an input. It's available as something I can chop up and make a plant extract with, which is what I did here. And again, when you make a when you make an extract, guys, it's using a material and adding water and a bacteria in the form of labs and maybe a little bit of molasses or some kind of sweetener, food, something like that. But that's basically all it is. And guys, the less labs you use, the cleaner and less smell your product will be if you here. Listen to this. Let me get back on the horsetail. How am I? The horsetail was I chopped it all up into small, one inch pieces, basically, and then stuck it in a five gallon bucket, filled it full of water, and then added probably a half a pint, a five gallon bucket full of water and horsetail material added about a half a pint of labs. Oh, that's it. That's it. And listen, here's a secret, guys, here's some here's a pro tip. When you make fermented plant extract, fill it to the top with liquid. People will always say there's a biofilm on my whatever. And the reason there's a biofilm on anything is because there's air and that's available and a space to grow on. Now if you will fill your five gallon bucket or your jar or whatever, totally to the top, then you put the lid on, you won't have any you won't have anything forming at all. It'll there's no space for it to film. You might have some type of little film, but you won't see that thick biofilm of white growing. And then you get green mold on top of it, and it goes nuts. And you wonder if it's good or bad. And to tell you right now it's good, just mix it all up, or scoop the top off and throw it in your garden. It's all still good. Nothing goes bad in mother nature. It's not like something spoiled. What are you going to do? What are you going to do with it? You're going to dump it in your garden. It's going to be beneficial to your plants. So don't think that it's bad just because it has some type of biofilm on it. It's just a headache if you're wanting to have a nice, clean product, which is what I'm trying to do. So in my horse tail, ferment plant extract, making if I got a bucket full of horse tail, fill it almost to the top with water, and then add about a half a pint of labs, and then fill it all the way to the top and put your lid on it and let all the water flow out if it needs to. When you push the lid down and you're good to go, it'll be really clean product. Now I filled if I got a bucket full of green material, I think it was sun plant sunflowers, I filled it full, and I used only labs as the fermentation liquid, I mean, so it's green material and only labs, like a five gallon bucket full of labs, within two weeks, it smell like JLF. It wouldn't be useful in the sense that I'm not going to put that in my packages and bundles that you buy. Okay, call it shop.com I'm putting a clean product in those I will use that stuff still. It will go in my garden. But what I'm trying to send out through my website is a clean product that looks good, that doesn't have a bunch of chunks in it. It doesn't mean it's bad. If it has chunks in it, it doesn't mean that at all. I've seen some people's products as full of chunks, and you're like, no big deal. I don't care. But some people don't like that, and it's just because we live in America. So the product I want, I want it to be clean. And I've learned that in a five gallon bucket, about a half a pint of labs, dude, it does the job. It does the job. And you have a real clean looking product, a very clean smelling product. So that's a horse tail for me to plant extract.

Well, tell me about applying that. Is it mainly a silica application. What is the rate of application?

So I don't do a lot of ratios. You know? I do about this much to about that much, and I always feed out of a five gallon bucket. And anytime I feed out of a five gallon bucket, I'll use, I'll put a pint of fermented plant extract. That's really all you need. Again, if your soil is healthy, I'm going to use about a pint or less of something in a five gallon bucket. So if it's fermented plant extract, about a pint, if it's the three year old manure extract, about a pint. If it's JLF, I might add two or three pints, something like that, just because I'm bumping up a little bit. It's more nutrient than microbiology stuff. It's not an aggressive like manure could be really rich, you know, I don't know. I haven't tested. I have no idea. But I'm not trying to go overboard with it. And I know that labs can be very strong and powerful, and I don't use a whole lot of labs to maintain right? That's it. So trying to, you know, my the idea was, okay, callous. Organics is using nature with balance in mind and experimenting with the microbiome in a way that I can create more of it and use it right. That's the idea. Is, just be balanced. Watch nature. Watch how it you watch how it grows. You know, when you see the trees fall and all the leaves go to the ground, you could probably fit all the leaves in your back? Well, let me say this, I could fit all the leaves that fall in my backyard into both of my JLF buckets. When they're dry or green, whatever, they will all fit into two what, I don't know how big of that 50 gallon drums. My point is this. This is a large area in my backyard that's not a lot of leaves to fertilize this yard, but it is enough to fertilize this yard because it's what Mother Nature is putting back on top of herself. And so learning that you don't need to just keep dumping nutrients in your gardens, then learn to let the soil do its job and just to cut back and put things back onto the ground that grew from it. And basically, that's probably enough nutrients to sustain your gardens, but if you want to maybe give back a little more nutrients, that's when you begin to use these manures, the jlfs, fbes. But you don't need to give back a whole lot of nutrients, right? You are taking the fruit and the goodies that come from it, so some nutrients are leaving it and going into your body and giving you nutrients so to replenish your. Soils you need to chop and drop everything that's not being used, whatever your kids don't eat on your plate inside, bring it right back out and put it in your garden. Just then cover it with some grass, or dig a hole, or just leave it on top. It's what it attracts. Black soldier flies in my environment, guys, I just dumped out a bunch of food in my no tills today, instead of putting it in my compost. I think it's more effective, more efficient use right now to just put it in the no tills and let it break down naturally. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm incredible, the idea

so that is absolutely incredible just breaking down food scraps. That's what happens over time. When you have a bed that's been going, you know, seven years, the microbes are just an engine in there, just an absolute deconstructing machine. Yeah, that is really, really cool. And it does take a while to get there, but boy, is it worth it when you get there in the end and then, like you said, it's just plug and play. I saw the plants that you're growing outside in that soil. Man, are those things eight

feet tall? They're almost 10 feet tall now, oh my

god, yeah. I can tell I'm actually looking at a picture right now. That's

a seven foot fence that you're that in that one picture, the fence is seven feet tall. So

this goes in ground. I love when people are planting in ground. Oh, yeah. Do you what? What are you adding to this? Are you watering in your JLF and stuff? Yeah, you are right.

Yeah. So these are the places that that I'm talking about what we just described, and the use of all these nutrients. I'm talking about these no tills that are that are pumping, that are growing, that don't need a lot of help. They just need constant organic material put back on top of them, because they, like you said, the microbiology will eat those things and break it down. The shredders will come in turn. It all back into that rich, humic looking soil. And you don't really have to do anything but water and add organic material. But like I said, I'm trying to replenish a little bit, because I am going to take a whole bunch of buds from this. I'm gonna be taking lettuces, tomatoes, carrots and lots of things from these beds. And so because I'm taking out so much, I am going to replenish some. That's why I'm going to add a little bit of the manure, ferment plant extracts, jlfs, probably, IMO, two, IMO, liquid, IMO. Three, you know, all those things, some raw compost, liquid compost, again, using balance in mind, this soil is phenomenal. The soil has armor, though. Here's the thing about my beds. You're never going to see my dirt, if you will. You're never going to see my soil. If you see my soil, you're gonna see a dark spot in my garden, because that's my soil, and it's noticeable. It's a very black soil. It's not just brownish, it's black. It's small aggregates. It looks wet, but it's almost totally dry. You know what I'm saying? It's just phenomenal. And that's what I'm growing my plants out of right now. And guys, these plants are way, way taller than me. But let me tell you something. These aren't even the plants that I am growing on purpose. These are volunteer plants from some washed buds that we did with scissor tail solventless. And there was breeding that happened with these buds from a very reputable breeder at one time, and we washed some heavy tracked out buds, and they were loaded with FEM seeds. And what we did was, when the plants were chopped, we washed them, and then we took the buds and I put them in specific places in my no tills, knowing that what's going to grow is this cross. And man, in that one picture I've sent you, that's full of that has a lot of plants that looks big and bushy. Those are all volunteers that probably popped up in early March. And I kept the ones that I liked the structures on as they were getting about a foot to two feet tall. Dude. I pulled out probably 1000 seeds. After I put all that washed bud on my garden, I just started looking in the buds, and they would start to dry out over a few days, and the seeds would fall out easier. I've got a whole pint jar full of these seeds, and these are the plants that just volunteered themselves. They've gone through four freezes. They have made it through four freezes, and they are pumping and looking good. There are two or three that are in a kind of a deeper re veg because they flowered early. Just the strain itself, you can tell flowers quickly, and it definitely doesn't like to re veg very fast. But some other plants, they went through the freezes, they went through the dark days. They might have flowered a little bit, you know, I can't promise you, they didn't. Some of them look a little too bushy for a normal plant. You know, when they flower out after a bit. After they go into flower and they revenge, they get crazy looking. But these are just volunteers that came up in this good soil, and they're they're phenomenal guys. These aren't intended plants that I'm intending to breed with. These are plants that I wanted to see what the crosses are gonna that they would look like. I've got other plants that I'm actually breeding. I've got a blaze cherries cross to a peach pistols. I think it is that I want to reverse and breed with this year. Oh my goodness. But those no till spots, guys. It's just a little bit of water again. I think if you go for three years of intensive work on 110 by five spot or something like that, you grow whatever you want in it. And if you're a cannabis grower, that's all. You need to grow six big plants.

Big man, well, what do you need to do different with those? Man, how do you manage plants of that size? I imagine when they flip into flower. I mean, the biggest cannabis plant I've ever seen was about 1517, feet tall. Yeah, and it seems like you're on track. Depending on how they stretch, you might get 10 plus feet easily, right? Definitely, you said they're at 10. So, yeah, you're gonna be approaching two stories here. Yeah, dude,

let me tell you something, a couple of these strains that are from the volunteer patches. They're stretchers that flower like, one of them has a chimera two in it. It's one of them that I made the the cherry on a grande from these plants, they stretch like I've never seen. The Chimera, two that I made very cherry with. She was stretching when I chopped her down. That's unbelievable how much they they go into flower. It's like these are outside plants. Some of you could grow them indoors, but they're just meant for outside. I love that big Oklahoma outdoor plants, but I expect 13 to 15 feet. I would assume,

are you? I mean, obviously you got yourself an A frame ladder. You got to prune that thing a little bit different, right? If you have that much depth to your plant, do you hollow it out?

It's hollow. It's a it's a ball like you could walk inside and have a picnic below all the plants, and it's a dome under there. You

should take some pictures, dude, and some videos for Instagram. That sounds awesome. The idea,

you know, the idea is, the is that big top outer section that all the sun hits that is about two feet thick, and that's it. Everything else just isn't going to get enough sun to pay off. It'll be a lot more work of you pulling off these little bitty popcorn buds that aren't going to put out, but about three grams, four grams of rosin for you in the end, whereas about two feet up on that end of the plant is going to be big fat heavy duty nugs that are going to pump out the resin for you and are going to be worth your time. So I clean out the middle, I give my canopy about two feet thick, all the way around everywhere, and I begin to cut off all inner branches. Everything that's growing towards the inside gets cut off. So again, the whole inside is clean. And guys, there's a reason for this. This is preparation for what's coming in Oklahoma. What's coming in Oklahoma is these plants are going to be ginormous. They're gonna have big ferocity buds on them. They're gonna look gorgeous and pretty. I'm gonna take care of them and do everything I know I'm supposed to be doing, and they will make it to the end. But if you don't know how to do this in Oklahoma, what's gonna happen is you're gonna get big old fat plants that are bushy in the middle, bushy on the outside, touching each other, the plant leaves laying on top of one another, and you're gonna start getting these big, thick, dense buds. The first thing that's gonna happen is you're gonna start seeing little bitty caterpillars eating every single bud you're growing. And then when the mid September comes, you're gonna have about 100 degree days with 100 degree humidity, and it's going to rain on you, and at night time, you're going to lose everything if you don't know what to do, you'll see me with spotlights out here. You'll see me with oscillating fans. You'll see me with my leaf blower, just doing everything that I know I need to be doing to make sure I have a really good product in the end, because all that moisture, you'll get bud rot. If the leaves are touching at all, they will, they will keep that moisture, and those leaves will rot under too much, you know, too much moisture. Again, caterpillars bud rots, and sometimes grasshoppers can be an issue. But in Oklahoma, if you don't keep that inner part cut out, you're going to have so much humidity in there, it will all rot. And you'll think it'll make it to the end, but it won't. It will be full of caterpillars and Bud rot, and it'll be all worthless. I've been there. I've done that,

man, it's and it's literally like the harvest ruiner, all that hard work down the drain. A lot of people struggle with that. What are your top pieces of advice for avoiding mold loss. I assume that genetics are not, not just a huge deal when it comes to mold resistance, but like flowering time, obviously that air flow from hollowing it out. What else are we doing to mitigate that mold risk?

So once you go into flower outside, guys rip off every single big fan leaf, you don't need those anymore. Once you're going in the flower, and I know that there'll be plenty of people say, but yeah, that's the powerhouse and the engine. Blah, blah, blah blah. I get that too, guys. I'm aware of the other side of the issue, but again, I'm not. I might follow rule, but I certainly don't follow dumb rules. I'm going with principles in my life here. If I have a rule that says do not chop down families, because that's what creates great photosynthesis and blah blah, blah, okay, great. My plant has awesome photosynthesis, but I've lost all of its fruit medicine it wanted to give to me because of other issues, yeah, and some of which are caused by these big fat family laying all over everything. Because the thing is this guys, when those big fat families lay on something, what is touching doesn't get air flow and it just holds moisture and bacteria. Can go in and out really easily in those spaces, but moisture is going to stay and it won't dry up or evaporate for you. And that's your begin. That's the beginning of all the Botrytis and the bud rot and all the yucky stuff that that you just won't be able to use your your medicine for anymore, but you remove all the fan leaves that you can usually whenever I hit week three of flower, almost every single family I can reach is off by week seven. All you see on my plants are thick, awesome looking nuggets. You don't see many leaves at all. It's just nugs. Just nugs growing because I want all the airflow I can possibly get. I've seen guys, even indoors, rip every single family off to make sure, yeah, just to make sure they don't lose the harvest because they can't afford to

man, I defoliate harder now than I was never one of those schwazing guys. I mean, an indoor setup, but I defoliate now harder than I've ever defoliated in my grow career. I i agree when it comes to leaves touching each other. Now, I used to be a big fan of like, tucking leaves, which sometimes is appropriate, but I feel like it's just setting you up for in a day or two, it's gonna grow a little bit more and then be on top of another leaf. Like, that's how it goes every time. Now I'm growing some duck con fee that does not require basically any defoliation. The fan. Leaf spacing is, like, perfect for my setup. Dude, I love that the air can pass right through there. But other strains, it's like you got to give this thing a haircut twice a week, because leaves just lay on top of each other. Man, that is not optimal. You need to either get some air flow oscillating fans breaking up those leaves, or just do a little defoliation. There's a million ways to do it, but that is a very good point. Another

thing I'll do Jordan is alternate pruning. And as you go up the can, I even do this with tomatoes, with sunflower leaves, alternate pruning sites like as you go up your say, one side branch coming off that main mare stem, a side lateral branching start at the very bottom, closest to the main stem, remove a few, you know, remove some of them that are down low. They're never going to get any sun. But then start to start to alternate. Leave one space, then cut the other one off. Leave one space, cut the other one off. And that's a big help to let air flow go through. You still get good bud production guys. You know, it's again, like we talked about earlier, Jordan in life, being pruned, being cut back a little bit, and say, now go for it. In life, it works in plants. It works also when you say, hold on. You need to stop and learn. You need to educate yourself a little more. And then when you move forward, you're going to be amazing. It's the same thing with a plant. Listen, plant, I'm gonna remove some of this excess that you're doing in your life because it's not making you great. I'm gonna cut some of the excess off. Want to prune you back, and then we're gonna sit back and watch you become amazing. It applies both ways, doesn't it? It applies both ways to our lives and to the husbandry of our plants. You

sound like Mary Beth like she would probably even say it out loud as she was doing it to the plant. He loves to talk to our plants. Dude, that is exactly right. And they even say that, Alex, they say that about things like the root system. You can, you can prune roots. There are some plants that you grow where you have to de pot them and prune the roots just to keep them healthy. And it's like, so counterintuitive, I'm gonna take scissors to the root system. Are you kidding me? And it's like, obviously there's points of diminishing returns. You can't hit the tap roots. You can't tap roots, you can't cut too many but if you do this method, it actually helps plants grow. And it's like, Wow, it's amazing that, like you said, cutting back the hair can help. Now, let me turn it back around a little bit to the big plants. Thing we've pruned properly. We're avoiding that, you know, high mold risk by hollowing out this plant. All of the energy is being sent to the top and outer colas, which are getting really heavy. Do you do any supporting of these outdoor plants? Do they hold themselves up? Or do you need to help support? Yeah, that's

a good question. And often that's, I mean, well, not often, always, that is genetically determined. I've had a few, not many, but I've had a few plants that can make it through the summer without being actually, you know, held up by bamboo or T post or whatever you might use. That's very few and far between. You have to have a big, big trunk at the bottom of the plant that's put out a wide, wide root surface and that can hold the plant. Because what you're talking about Jordan most often is a cannabis plant is going to fall over. It just becomes humongous. It overdoes itself. It doesn't know what it's doing. It just wants to glorify itself in the sun, and in the meantime, it destroys itself by getting too big and too ginormous. So you got to help the plants out if you're going to grow big outdoor plants. The what I've used often are bamboo sticks, because they're available to me in my area. And I can get 40 foot long bamboo posts. Man, these things are long. What I've got right now, I think are about 20 feet long, maybe 22 feet long bamboo posts. And I've got, I've got four. Of them, creating a square, basically. But the bamboo posts are slanted out, you know, not, not a 45 degree, little, little less than that. But they are slanted out because these plants are going to get bigger, and the Bucha is getting thicker. I've got four of those, and a tree involved. And what I've done is I've used cordage, and I've just basically wrapped a big circle around everything every two feet up. But then I've also gone from pole to pole. So I'm making zigzags or crosses or x's, as you know, throughout the plants going pole to pole, pole to pole. And so there's lots of little squares and diamonds and triangles made from this yarn. And the plants grow up into those things. My bamboo posts are attached to T posts that are driven into the ground. So my bamboo posts aren't going anywhere. They are sturdy and strong, so the wind isn't going to affect them at all. The ropes that are tied to them again going all through those cannabis plants, creating these little bitty holes that the that the branches will grow through, and as the wind comes, they will just grow and they'll they'll blow, and they'll hit that line and bounce back, but they won't move, but maybe six to 10 inches total, whereas if a good Oklahoma tornado Twister came through here, if you didn't have it staked up, it's going to be flattened on the ground, just like most of your other tall plants, they're just going to get knocked over sideways. Do you ever do like, cages and things like that? Man, I've done nettings before. I'm, you know, growing evolves every year. So at some people, when they're like, how do you grow? It's like, well, determines kind of this year is what determines my growing style, you know. So this year, I've used these just bamboo posts with the yarn, because I can cut. I did some yarning last year, and the thing was, I could cut the yarn and just pull it straight out. Nothing's for and it was awesome. But when you use netting, you rip freaking all your buds apart, and they're getting knocking trichomes together, and it's not the best way to do it. So this yarn in bamboo way has been, has been helpful, because my again, it depends on your ultimate end for what you're wanting out of your cannabis. And I want past rosin, that's what I want out of all of my stuff. So I want it big and bushy and far apart from each other, and, you know, really spread out so nobody's touching or at least is not as much as possible. Just thinking about the Trichome head, that's what I'm thinking about. And so I want these big plants spread out lots of air flow. I want the ability, you know, to move them out also, because as they get bigger, I'm going to need to pull them the inside towards the outside and let the inside grow up, and use that outside wall to manipulate that plant. I'll make the plant kind of bend over, like those bamboo posts. And it won't be going just straight up, you know, it'll be going out at an angle. It creates a bigger top canopy. But I'm going for hash rising. So that's my intent when I grow these big plants in the way I do. And now I'm using bamboo and yarn because it won't mess my plants up so much in the harvest.

Yeah, that that deconstruction period for harvest is is crucial. We are over an hour of run time here galaxy. This flew by. Man, we didn't even get through all the points. Uh, listen, if you liked this episode, you need to stay tuned for the class. It's October 19. It's the natural farming immersive. We're gonna probably do this every year, you guys. Let's see. Let's see what we can go find in the woods on, okay, Alex's property.

Let's tease this outline real quick for the class. We'll start off with a welcome and introduction. Kind of tell you my expectations of the of the property and the land, and what we're going to do nine o'clock. We start with the circle of rice, y'all, and I'm going to teach you all kinds of things you can do off of rice. Then we're going to move into an IMO three and IMO four overview. I'm going to show you how to make it. We'll probably make it and make the IMO three and the IMO four. Get your hands dirty. Get your hands in there. I'm going to teach you guys how what texture means and what moisture levels we want. After that, we're going to do a lunch and medicate. After that, we're going to go in the woods. This is where we gather, scavenge and collect this is the payoff, guys. This is you being able to go out into your surrounding areas. Guys, you can go to city parks and gather this stuff up. You can go to churches and gather it up. Schools, all these places that have all these trees, like fruits or pine cones or things like that that are dropped to the ground. All that could be manipulated for things. But when we go into the woods, that's what I'm going to teach you all is what to look for, how to use it. This is how you keep your growing cheap. Just imagine, like in my world, I have five kids, I run two businesses. I have a wife. I love to garden, grow cannabis. I can't spend my money on all the stuff I want to do. I have five kids. I have bills, I have I have insurance I've got to pay, you know what I'm saying. I have life. And so I can't do what I love and make it expensive. It won't work. I have to do what I love and make it cheap. And so this is how you make your gardening and your growing cannabis work into your lives in a way that will benefit you financially. And like we said, through emotional health and emotion. Benefits, mental health, the mental benefits learning to get out into the woods, getting from Mother Nature, using manipulating it, giving it back to Mother Nature, and watch what she gives back to you through it, is a freaking fun thing to learn, and that's what we're going to do on October 19. Limited spaces, 30 spaces only. It's one on one, guys, and it's going to be a heck of a good time. Oh, I cannot

wait, man, you're absolutely right. Get off the bottle. Learn to garden sustainably. This knowledge will serve you for the rest of your life. And like all of the classes that grow cast are involved with, the goody bag is going to exceed the ticket price. You're going to walk away with literally hundreds and hundreds of dollars. We might talk about genetic seeds. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the seeds you're gonna get. Dr zymes kicking in for us, it's gonna be insane. The knowledge is just on top of that amazing goodie bag. So stay tuned. That is going to be dropping soon. Grab those tickets immediately, because I'm pretty sure they're gonna go quickly. Thank you for being an awesome educator, for being so well spoken and well thought out with your principles and values. Calix, I love working with you. Man, and I cannot wait for this class on October 19. And great job on this episode today. Man, another banger. I know the people love it. So thank you. Appreciate

you. Appreciate all y'all listening. Man, Thanks, Jordan. I appreciate you too. A whole book where,

where's your stuff? Shout out the the website. Where can people find you? Instagram, all that stuff.

Yeah. So find me on Instagram. At Okay, call x and at Okay, call x genetics. That's okay. Call it two x's. The reason there's two x's is because it's my second Instagram page. Is a pretty good idea just to add 1x and whenever people typed in, okay, calyx from the first time, boom, it pulled my, my new one up just with that extra x. You know what I'm saying? So Okay, call it's genetics, okay, Calix. And then, guys, if you want to buy things, if you want to get some of these inputs that you might not be able to make, or you want to trust somebody with some good genetics or inputs that I create, all right here in my on my homestead, right here? Oh, that's where I do all the work, right here. Man, my kids help me. It's a family thing. But okay, couch shop. Okay, couch shop.com. You're going to see some bundles up there, and the bundles are just lots of dry and liquid inputs, kind of mix and match together in a way that I think will be beneficial to you if they're used together. I always throw extras. I throw garden seeds in there. I throw my own genetics. I do all kinds of fun stuff, slaps and sweets. This, this, this month I'm sending out some bumper stickers. They're about four inches long by about three inches tall or so, not big. I got one on my truck, but it's my Okay, call it a logo, and I'm sending those out. I love to have fun with my bundles, because guys, again, I know how to make this stuff, and I can make massive amounts of this stuff for super cheap, because that's my whole entire principle of gardening. But then I can make enough, and I can put it in a box to send it to you, or you can use it. And not only that, guys, I teach you how to make every single thing I send to you. I teach you how to do it on your own. But the reason that my website works is because not everybody has my environment, not everybody can make everything. Not everybody can get into fermented plant extracts. They can't get into growing and breeding cannabis. That's where guys like us, guys like grow cast come in, man, we fit right in that niche.

Listen, man, I love that you help people get jump started on their own journey. And I also love that you make this stuff available so that I can use it in my little basement home. Grow bit okcalx.com, hit the Instagram, hit the website. It's all there. Oh

yeah, you've got grow cast codes on my web page. Also got my website. Grow cast saves

you 10% on okcalx.com and members get 20% off okcalex.com, secret member code. Shout out to all the members. Whoo, all right, man. Well, listen, I will let you get back to your farm. Thank you so much, Alex. This was an amazing episode, and we're gonna wrap this up. Listeners, thank you for tuning in today, I always appreciate your ears. Grow cast podcast.com. Is where you can find all our stuff, and I'll see you soon. Stay tuned for that class, October 19. That's all for now. See you in membership. Everybody. Come and check us out. Bye, guys. We'll see you next time. Be safe out there, everybody, and grow smarter. That's our show. Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. I appreciate you. Thank you to okcalyx. We are back on track here, so I'll see you shortly with some more content. Growcast podcast.com that's where you can find all the stuff. Go check out membership. Get those members only discounts. Grab some seeds. Stay tuned for the next fino hunt box. Shout out to all the members taking part in the grand fino hunt. Shout out to high grazie. That's right, we've got a partnership announcement coming up very shortly. You guys are gonna love and just stay tuned. Folks. Love you all. Be good out there, be safe out there, and I'll see you on the next episode. Bye. Bye. Everyone. You

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