And so she was saying that if she ever left that solid salon, she just wouldn't go anywhere else, that that would be the end of, of of their hair career, right. And I thought that that was really interesting, because I feel like that's what it's like when you come out of being in diet culture and believing it and believing it. And, and the current is like, you're at this. It's like you're working at a straight salon. And it's currently absolutely unbearable. But there is the existence of that one queer salon, but we don't know where it is yet, like so with Madeline to saying, I'm feeling awful. It's almost like Madeline to is in that, you know, currently in that that straight salon, where, you know, my hairdresser was saying that they they were telling where they were telling them to wear makeup and be more presentable as a woman. And she was like, Oh, gross. Whereas this other salon, it's just, it's just great, you know, everyone was just being themselves. And so I think about that, that that having to survive in that, you know, straight salon and Madeline to hear having to survive in a world where presumably everywhere that they turn is is fat phobic. And then I compare it to like so you know, when I first started this journey everywhere, everywhere I turned it was fat phobia because I had so you know, surrounded myself by that because I loved it. You know, I loved it quotation marks that was like, I was playing the game. All my colleagues were fat phobic. My friends were not all of them. My family, mostly, and you know, everything that like watched everything that every everything that went into my brain was like, fat people or shit. And that was overwhelming when, as Madeline one says, I came out of the matrix or went into the matrix. I don't know what the I can't remember what the analogy is. I know what to do with a film matrix. But I don't know. You know, if we're saying go into the matrix, go out of the matrix going in the matrix and we work this out. Okay, so we're going into the matrix and matrix is the fake world, right? And you're out of the matrix. Is that right? You're out of the matrix. And you're in reality, and now you can't see the make believe world. Yeah, okay. So going into the matrix, we'll be going into dark culture. I bet you there's some people listening being like, Eva Fox, like this is really simple. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And so with Madeline too, there's a A technique that I like to use which is remove reduced protect, and remove reduce. redact is kind of like survival 101 and to reduce fat phobia in your life and so the first thing is can you remove the sources of fat phobia? Can you remove the sources of fat hate? So if it's Madeline's job to be surrounded by fat haters, is it realistic for Matt Madeline to get a new job? Probably not. But maybe maybe it is Madeline might be like, Oh, I'm thinking about leaving. And so actually, you know what, fuck it. I'm definitely gonna leave because I realized that this sucks. And then also Madeline might go to a new job and it might be just as bad because Madeline's in healthcare, right. Okay, so remove, but then again, Madeline might have some friends who were like, hate fat ease or whatever. And so Madeline could decide that they are going to remove those friends? Well, maybe not. Right? All of these are kind of like, maybe we can do that. And maybe not for various different reasons. Remove reduce. So if you can't remove something for various reasons, power imbalances, accessibility reasons, you just don't feel like it. Can you reduce the amount of time spent with them? So if it's a, you know, awful family member, Aunt Karen, who is like, Oh, we're fat people, you know, they're awful. Then maybe, you know, instead of spending every single Friday with with our Karen spend every other Friday, Friday with Aunt Karen, I said, just waiting for hours without Karen spent two hours with John Curran. And finally, if you can't do that, for whatever reason, like you know, your workplace, you can't just be like, You know what I've decided I'm working part time now. So I don't have to deal with you. Motherfuckers. That might not be something you can do, obviously. And so what you want to do then is protect protect your mental health. And so this could be doing things like listening to this podcast, it could be watching, affirming shows and movies, it could be reading books about this, it could be educating yourself, it could be looking, looking at pictures of fat people doing cool things. It could be talking to your therapist, etc, etc. Remove, reduce protect. So when I see someone who was really, really struggling, and they're feeling kind of maybe similar to what Madeline is feeling, that tells me that they really are getting