Exactly. Yeah. So there's a lot of interesting dynamics. So the scenario, I actually came up with little scenario. So in this scenario, you know the father, you know Mark, he see, he comes home, sees 30 dishes, and turns to his son, you know who's supposed to be cleaning this up, and says, you know his son, Alex. He. This is exactly what I'm always talking about. You never clean up after yourself. It's like you expect someone else to be your personal maid. How many times have I do? I have to tell you. And so he's talking to his son, who's the victim, and he's and, you know, so Alex slumps in the couch, you know, feeling attacked and misunderstood, and says, I was going to get to get to it. Get to it. You're always nagging me about everything. Nothing I do ever is good enough for you. Why are you always on my case? And so he feels, you know, unfairly. You feel helpless and and criticized. And then the mother you know, Sarah, she steps in trying to smooth things over and protect Alex from Mark's criticism. Say to mark, honestly, you know, please don't Oh, honey, please don't be so harsh. He's had a long day with school and homework. It's just a plate. I'll get to it. It's not a big deal. And then she turns to Alex, says, Don't worry about it, sweetie. And then Alex, you know, feeling emboldened by his mother's intervention, switches from victim to persecutor. He stands up and points his finger at his father. And you know, you know what, Dad, the only reason you're mad about a stupid place because you had a bad day at work and you're not taking and you're now taking it out on me like you always do. You're the one who is always miserable and brings everyone else down. And so in that case, the father, you know, has been criticized by his son, he turns into the victim, and the son who is the victim turns into persecutor. And then the mother tries to rescue the father, you know, say, Alex, that was completely out of line. You know, you do not speak to your father that way. He does so much for us, and he deserves your respect. Apologize to him right now, and actually, in that case, she's the rescuer, but probably in the in the son's eyes, she's becoming a persecutor. So anyway, this dynamic just kind of goes on, you know, on and on like this. And, you know, relationships go on for years with this basic dynamic. So the the other to we know this could be taken over into the empathy circle instead. And here we have four participants of the empathy circle, but it could be the three participants, you know, in the Drama Triangle, and then you know, and the so in this case, you know this, the father comes home and he says what he did to his son. You know, you never clean up. His son could just reflect back what the Father is saying, saying, Oh, I hear you think I never clean up. And it's like, you think I'm just wanting to be your maid. And that you've told me a lot of times, you know, that I should do this. And then the, you know, the father would have space that then he would actually probably go into it says, Yeah, I've, I'm just feeling really frustrated, you know, I've had a, you know, a really hard day, and, you know, sorry to, you know, kind of lash out at you and say, Well, you know, I'm hearing you're, you've had a hard day, and you're just feeling sorry that you lashed out at me, and then the sun would, you know, respond back. And I have a whole scenario here. I somehow kind of lost it, but there's a whole scenario of the dialog between them where they actually just hear each other out, to give each other space to go deeper, you know, before lashing out and lashing back, and they started understanding each other, and they start, you know, taking with the Drama Triangle people avoid responsibility, you know, for their for their actions, whereas in the Drama Triangle, you know, given enough time, people will start taking some responsibility for their role in the dynamic. So I don't know that I had some scripts here, which I've lost about. You know, how the mother and father and son would dialog in an empathy circle, but they're basically just listening to each other going deeper. You know, they're not taking on a person. There might even be a little bit of a persecutor and victim role within an empathy circle to begin with, but by being listening to the persecutor, you kind of slowly start transforming them into just a more, into an empathic you know, you start seeing their common humanity. And it slowly transforms the Drama Triangle, maybe not right away, but over time, it does any thoughts on that. So far.