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Karen blaming me for not checking mail everyday over late SNAP appointment letter

Christian Willis21min

Christian Willis

00:00

It's so funny. Uhh, they uhh, trying give me a letter asking me why I missed the appointment some last thing. But the irony is how they keep sending me a letter late so when I open it I can't even respond to it. So do they expect me to respond to something when I don't get it quick enough?

Christian Willis

01:34

That letter has a deadline where I gotta respond by tomorrow about responding to inquiry about why I missed the appointment with them about something from the SNAP thing. But it's like, y'all sent me a letter weeks later after the fact. The letter that was sent to me last time was like a day after the appointment. So what do y'all expect me to do?

Karen Mom

02:26

Just call them tomorrow.

Karen Mom

02:31

If they got your email and stuff, this stuff should be coming to you on some other kind of way prior to the mail. In most case, it should be coming to you and letting you know that something is coming in the mail or at this appointment is here.

Karen Mom

03:30

You should be notified some kind of way that by the time this mail come that's just confirmation.

Karen Mom

03:33

I mean, Christian, they got your phone number, they got your, I'm sure they got more than just your cell number.

Karen Mom

03:37

I know that mom. But what I mean is that they don't call, email, text me about it. It's just the letter that's sent.

Karen Mom

03:42

That's pretty insane because most office mail is snail mail. So I can't imagine they put something in mail, giving you.

Christian Willis

03:54

But that's how they sent it.

Karen Mom

03:55

Okay, when I give you, you ain't ever gonna make it then. So then, as far as they're concerned, you're ignoring these deadlines so what that means is they can cut you off.

Christian Willis

04:04

Okay, mom. But I'm just telling you from my standpoint.

Karen Mom

04:09

Unless they're doing something different. I always got notified at least a couple of days before response.

Karen Mom

04:21

But had I not gotten the mail today or checked today, it still be sitting here. You wouldn't have known tomorrow.

Karen Mom

04:33

And I look like I'm the only one checking the mail.

Karen Mom

04:37

You know you got they're gonna be mailing me stuff every day that I come home from work, I check your mail when you're here all day.

Karen Mom

04:48

Like the trash. When I come home.

Karen Mom

04:51

You sit up in here all day instead of going down. You see that if you, you got, they're going to be mailing you stuff.

Karen Mom

05:20

If I don't get off by here, when I get off at five, If I don't go by there and check the mail, it'll be there for weeks.

Christian Willis

05:24

But my point is, it could have been sitting there late anyways.By the time I do get it, it's always close by the deadline.

Karen Mom

05:28

But my point is it could've been sitting there, Christian.

Karen Mom

05:31

Again, if I don't, when I get off at 4:30 PM.

Christian Willis

05:32

But of course, you just have to point the issue to me as the blame. As always.

Karen Mom

05:35

I'm not that issue to blame. I'm just telling you, if I know I'm out of work and I'm getting unemployed, these people are going to be, I'm dead that, I'm checking the damn mail every day.

Christian Willis

05:46

The incidents be arbitrated every day that mail was sent. Last time was they purposely had been sent late after the fact. There's no way I could avoid that. It was really sent late after that.

Karen Mom

05:58

That particular one might be after, but Christian.

Karen Mom

06:01

One of the ways...

Christian Willis

06:02

So my point is, even with what you saying, still doesn't change the fact that it was then sent late that there's nothing much I could do about it. But even if I did check it every day.

Christian Willis

00:00

Let's get across this. Are you checking the mail daily?

Christian Willis

03:00

Huh?

Karen Mom

03:00

Do you go downstairs and make sure you got mail at the end of the day? Every day?

Christian Willis

03:00

Can we not put this about me only in that scenario?

Karen Mom

03:00

That's all I want. That's all I want.

Christian Willis

03:00

But I also want to add in the fact that they sent it late to me. So it's a 50/50. It's not all just 100% blame to me.

Christian Willis

03:00

if you can't control them, but you can't control you.

Christian Willis

03:00

Yes, but also the fact that they're the ones that cause the issue for this happen.

Karen Mom

03:00

Christian.

Christian Willis

03:00

It's not all 100% my fault issue. It's also 50% they also caused the issue for this to occur.

Karen Mom

03:00

Okay, let's just get past all of that. When I come home from work, you got stacks of mail and me there.

Christian Willis

03:00

I'm just talking about them. At this particular, this particular sender.

Karen Mom

03:00

Control what you can control.

Christian Willis

03:00

Yes, but like I said, I'm gonna go in and call them tomorrow and tell my piece. All I'm telling you is how it work like last time, they made it an issue for me to respond to them.

Karen Mom

03:00

We're not talking about that right now.

Christian Willis

03:00

But that relates with this. So that's...

Karen Mom

03:00

The only time you check mail is if you're getting a package.

Christian Willis

03:00

Oh my god mom.

Christian Willis

03:00

You keep putting this up to blame me about it. I'm putting both sides of the scenario. I'm putting about their side bargain too. That causes.

Karen Mom

03:00

And where's your responsibility to check the mail every day?

Christian Willis

03:00

And the fact the of the matter is, is, that's why I missed the last one. That's all I'm saying.

Karen Mom

03:00

Forget, but forget about that.

Christian Willis

03:00

No, no, we're not forgetting that.

Karen Mom

03:00

Yes we are.

Christian Willis

03:00

That's, that's brought in the tables. That could, that combined.

Karen Mom

03:00

Christian, since we've been here, what drives you to check the mail is when you are expecting a shipment.

Christian Willis

03:00

Mom.

Karen Mom

03:00

From Amazon.

Christian Willis

03:00

All I'm saying right now is I'm talking about this particular incident.

Karen Mom

03:00

Okay, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. Okay. Okay, I'm done with it.

Christian Willis

03:00

So you're saying because if someone sent me an later, letter A month after, and you expect.

Karen Mom

03:00

I'm not! Christian!

Christian Willis

03:00

You expect that it's my fault.

Karen Mom

03:00

All I'm saying to you!

Christian Willis

03:00

That I didn't check every day. You know, even though it was sent a month after.

Karen Mom

03:00

I check the mail every day.

Christian Willis

03:00

Okay, but that doesn't change the fact that they sent a letter to me late after the fact. Weeks after the fact. Doesn't change the fact that that's something they caused.

Karen Mom

03:00

But no. Let's...

Karen Mom

03:00

I'm bringing this home for you.

Karen Mom

03:00

If I don't check that mail every day for a regular mail for you and I, you wouldn't have known. You don't really deal with the office until you know that you have something that you specifically ordered.

Christian Willis

03:00

So just like in that scenario, I didn't know that they would send me an appointment, right? The first time happened, I know there was an appointment, so it's something that was unexpected.

Karen Mom

03:00

Whether you know it or not!

Christian Willis

03:00

Now, if it was an Amazon package, yes. You could tell me that the Amazon had tracking delivery, I know.

Karen Mom

03:00

Christian!

Christian Willis

03:00

At least I got an idea of an estimated delivery.

Karen Mom

03:00

And that is my point! Exactly!

Christian Willis

03:00

But!... Now let's put that into focus, contradicting the fact of that. Let's put in focus this. I didn't get any estimated, tracking estimated delivery of this. This is something completely expected. I didn't expect them to send me an appointment of things about this. This is the first time of getting that-

Karen Mom

07:36

Because you are getting...

Christian Willis

09:13

letter at that time. And then, and then to add to the fact, to add insult to injury. To add to the fact that they added to sentiments week after and I finally get it. It, it was a day after the appointment.So how was I supposed to know?

Karen Mom

09:35

We are back to my point.

Christian Willis

09:35

Not back to your point because even if you checked it every day doesn't matter. The time you finally, you finally checked it and found it was, again, the exact date after the fact.

Karen Mom

09:35

But if...

Christian Willis

09:36

So it doesn't matter if you check it every day, if you check every day, it's not changing the fact that they sent it late after the fact. So we're still back to square one about my point.

Karen Mom

09:52

That might be the case in this scenario, but I'm the only one checking the mail.

Christian Willis

09:57

But I'm just focusing on this scenario and that's it.

Karen Mom

09:58

Ok, I'm done.

Christian Willis

09:58

That's why I mean. This scenario here, they put me in that scenario.

Karen Mom

10:02

So listen...

Karen Mom

10:04

If you have a deadline to meet every day, you will miss it. Because...

Christian Willis

10:08

Okay, but I was talking about this particular deadline, the first deadline counts.

Karen Mom

10:13

But that opens up my whole point.

Christian Willis

10:15

No, it doesn't. Your point was about me knowing something coming delivered.

Karen Mom

10:19

No.

Christian Willis

10:19

That's for Amazon.

Karen Mom

10:20

My point is...

Christian Willis

10:20

That's for Amazon packages.

Karen Mom

10:20

Christian, that's exactly right.

Christian Willis

10:21

But again, that doesn't.

Karen Mom

10:21

Something you ordered. Christian!

Christian Willis

10:24

But that doesn't compare to this, because this is not a tracking thing. This is a...

Karen Mom

10:30

And that's my point!

Christian Willis

10:32

That I wouldn't have known anything about.

Karen Mom

10:33

Christian, that's my point. You're on services. You're receiving money from these people. They don't send a tracking. So because of that, in order to keep my eligibility I'm checking every day, because I never know when something from the unemployment is inthe mail.

Christian Willis

10:52

And then even even despite checking every day, it was still sent weeks after, days after. So that means I still miss because of their fault. That's all I'm saying.

Christian Willis

11:04

At least give credit when it's due. I didn't get the mail until after the day, after the shown deadline.

Karen Mom

11:09

Christian... And you still wouldn't have had it, had I not checked.

Christian Willis

11:14

All I'm saying is, even with the checking, it still didn't change the fact that it was late.

Karen Mom

11:19

But it might be late, but you got it. You wouldn't have got it. Some people in office will not tell you you got mail.

Christian Willis

11:26

Okay, okay. But...

Karen Mom

11:29

That's your responsibility.

Christian Willis

11:30

All I'm just including is what happened.

Karen Mom

11:31

Okay, Christian. I'm done with it. I'm done with it.

Karen Mom

11:32

I'd be damned. If I got unemployment coming. If I got to check the damn mail every day.

Christian Willis

11:38

Okay, you can check it every day, but it would change the fact that they're sending it late every single day.

Karen Mom

11:53

Okay, Christian, don't check it.

Christian Willis

11:53

I didn't say not check it. I'm just saying that you're putting all this allon just me this on this me and not adding the point, their point to it.

Karen Mom

11:53

You have to stay on top of your affairs.

Christian Willis

11:53

It's a 50/50.

Christian Willis

11:53

It's a 50/50. Not 100% my blame, it's 50/50 their blame as well.

Christian Willis

11:53

That's all I'm trying to get at.

Karen Mom

11:53

Some of it is electronic, Christian, This is...

Christian Willis

11:53

They didn't call me, they didn't text message, nothing. It was none of it. It was all just letter based.

Karen Mom

12:05

Everything, uhh, is always, somebody's always doing you wrong.

Christian Willis

12:09

Naw, I'm just saying. I'm just pointing, point 50/50 point.

Karen Mom

12:12

Ok...

Christian Willis

12:12

About what happened.

Karen Mom

12:13

Well, one thing about it is, if I see mail sitting in there, regardless of when they mailed it.

Christian Willis

12:18

Okay.

Karen Mom

12:20

If I see something in there that's important with Christian Willis name on it,

Karen Mom

12:25

you still can go to the office and inquire.

Christian Willis

12:28

Alright.

Karen Mom

12:29

I don't ever see you doing that. Like to me, when I come home, there, I'm delivering your mail.

Christian Willis

12:36

Okay, mom.

Karen Mom

12:37

And because you sit here in this room all day.

Christian Willis

12:39

All I'm saying is they sent it late to me.

Karen Mom

12:40

Christian!

Christian Willis

12:40

So even if I checked it doesn't change the fact.

Karen Mom

12:43

To be fair, you sit up in this room all day. When I come home at four o'clock, my question to you, have you left the room today? No.

Christian Willis

12:52

Okay. But again, even if I did, checked it, back to my point it's late.

Karen Mom

12:58

Okay, I'm done with it.

Christian Willis

13:00

They sent it late. It's not my fault in that scenario. It's the fact that they sent it late. They're ones that caused it happen. That's all I'm saying.

Karen Mom

13:06

Even with the with the food stamps. That was sitting there.

Christian Willis

13:09

That's what I'm talking right now. That's SNAP. That's, that's the whole point I'mtalking about.

Karen Mom

13:13

Oh, okay.

Karen Mom

13:13

But here's my deal... If I'm waiting on something, Imma hound or whoever they got my damn mail.

Christian Willis

13:20

Okay mom. Do what you please. All I'm talking about is my example.

Karen Mom

13:21

Okay, Christian. Your example, just sit there and wait, honey.

Christian Willis

13:21

So, so you can sit here,

Karen Mom

13:22

You know the alt-

Christian Willis

13:22

You can sit here and give me 100% blame, I guess.

Karen Mom

13:22

No.

Christian Willis

13:23

Like you always do, and not, and not.

Karen Mom

13:23

You know...

Christian Willis

13:23

Not adding in credibility of what I just added into this.

Karen Mom

13:24

Honey, no, the credibility is this.

Christian Willis

13:24

Because they're the ones who also made it late.

Karen Mom

13:25

Stop relying on other people!

Christian Willis

13:25

I didn't lie about it.

Karen Mom

13:25

First of all...

Christian Willis

13:25

I'm just saying that,

Karen Mom

13:27

Hold on a minute...

Christian Willis

13:29

But they messed up on it.

Karen Mom

13:40

You know Garden Gate don't call you and say you got nothing down there.

Christian Willis

13:44

Okay, I'm just saying.

Christian Willis

13:45

I mean, you know, Red, the Red Roof Inn don't call you and tell you nothing. If I'm expecting mail, Imma be there every damn day!

Christian Willis

13:48

Okay, well, you can do that. All I'm saying is,

Karen Mom

13:48

Okay, your right. I can do that.

Christian Willis

13:48

that they have sent it late.

Christian Willis

13:48

Christian, I'm done with it. I'm done with it. It's always excuse.

Christian Willis

13:58

It's not excuse. It's again a fact that this happened.

Karen Mom

14:01

Okay, maybe that, if they don't never send you no mail... At what point you're gonna realize, hey, it's the I don't have no benefits and I don't have no correspondence?

Christian Willis

14:12

Okay mom.

Karen Mom

14:14

You, you dealing with stuff after the fact.

Christian Willis

14:16

All I'm saying is-

Karen Mom

14:16

Okay, I'm done with it. Shit.

Christian Willis

14:17

they sent me the letter after the fact. You keep rehashing this over and over again.

Karen Mom

14:22

Do you not know?

Christian Willis

14:23

I'll keep saying it again. They sent it late after.

Karen Mom

14:26

But some things common sense, Christian. You know they gonna be sending you mail.

Christian Willis

14:30

Yes, which was late. My point again. That's all I'm trying to say.

Karen Mom

14:35

Hold on a minute...

Karen Mom

14:37

When was the last time you, proactively... Without me bringing any mail here?

Christian Willis

14:43

So what? You expect me to have a jet pack ready to launch and fly over there to expect when they're going to give you the mail? I must simply teleport there and get the mail? What am I supposed to do? Get, get it-

Karen Mom

14:57

You can get yo lazy ass off of this computer and go to the office.

Christian Willis

14:57

Get to the escalations department to go and do it? What, what do you expect?

Karen Mom

14:57

And go to the office.

Christian Willis

14:57

I'm Superman? I'm supposed to fly up there and get it?

Karen Mom

15:01

And go, like you, the same effort you take to go get the Amazon package.

Christian Willis

15:07

Yes, because,

Karen Mom

15:08

The same effort to see if you got any mail.

Christian Willis

15:20

Because we live in a world where superpowers, where we can just get it automatically, yes.

Karen Mom

15:20

I'm done with it. I'm, I'm done with it. Because this conversation is stupid. You know what? If they have, if you missed the deadline. You missed it then.

Christian Willis

15:20

Okay, because of their fault, yes.

Karen Mom

15:20

Okay, it's going to be their fault, but it's going to be your fault.

Christian Willis

15:20

It was 50/50 then.

Karen Mom

15:20

I'm done with it.

Karen Mom

15:20

You are not no damn baby.

Christian Willis

15:20

I didn't say I was.

Karen Mom

15:21

You know they going to be, you know they going to be sending you mail.

Christian Willis

15:32

I know, but it was late. That's all I'm trying to say.

Karen Mom

15:36

Is it, is it late, or is it you? You it. Because, guess what?

Christian Willis

15:40

You just can't admit it, right?

Karen Mom

15:43

Hold on a minute.

Christian Willis

15:43

You can't admit it.

Karen Mom

15:43

No, you can't admit it!

Christian Willis

15:43

That they sent it to me late.

Karen Mom

15:43

You can't admit it!

Christian Willis

15:44

You can't, you can't just admit that. You can't just admit that.

Karen Mom

15:44

No, here's my deal.

Christian Willis

15:44

You can't admit to that. That's, that's, that's the whole morale of this.

Karen Mom

15:44

What you can't admit to...

Christian Willis

15:46

You can't admit that they sent it late.

Karen Mom

15:49

If I had not brought it today, when would you have gone there and got it? Next week?!

Christian Willis

15:55

But you can't admit that they may have sent it late.

Karen Mom

15:57

No. What you can't admit is that you're not on top of your business.

Christian Willis

16:00

You can't admit they sent it late.

Karen Mom

16:07

Okay, I'm done with it. Christian.

Christian Willis

16:07

You want me to admit that, at least admit the fact that they sent late.

Karen Mom

16:07

The next time, the next time... I won't check the mail.

Christian Willis

16:08

I'm just saying I got my own proof that you wrote down on the letter that when you got and the letter that it was shown in there in the SNAP show when they sent it, and it was obviously a week after the fact. So even then-

Karen Mom

16:26

Even if it was a week!

Christian Willis

16:27

That shows proof. That was proof for me that they sent it late.

Karen Mom

16:30

Okay, but Christian... You wouldn't even have gotten it today.

Christian Willis

16:34

But again, my point is about the first deadline. And then this is another example. They sent me another one that now I gotta respond to the very final day after the fact.

Christian Willis

16:43

Now imagine if you, because if this case were you checked today, it really got nothing, and then it was sent, let's say a day or two after the fact. Now, okay, now it's even worse. Now they sent it to me after the fact, the deadline. Now I got really no way to respond to it.

Karen Mom

16:58

Okay.

Christian Willis

16:58

So again, back to my point. It's about when they sent it and how long it takes to get it.

Karen Mom

17:03

But even had they sent it after today.

Christian Willis

17:12

So even if you've checked it every day, or I checked it every day doesn't change the fact that it was sent late-

Karen Mom

17:15

But who's checked?!

Christian Willis

17:15

after the fact.

Karen Mom

17:16

My point!

Christian Willis

17:16

It doesn't change the fact! I did, all, look at what, listen to what I just said. Whether I checked it every day, whether you check every day, doesn't change the fact that it would've have gotten here any quicker!

Karen Mom

17:20

My point is, you're not checking for it! Only me!

Christian Willis

17:24

But even if I was checking for it, doesn't change the fact that they was sent to me late after the fact. I'm just now getting it.

Karen Mom

17:35

No.

Christian Willis

17:37

That's what I'm saying.

Christian Willis

17:39

Here's the deal... You're getting it late because I checked.

Christian Willis

17:39

No.

Christian Willis

17:39

I got late because they sent it late.

Karen Mom

17:39

I'm not finished.

Christian Willis

17:39

I- They sent it late to me. That's why.

Christian Willis

17:39

But I handed it to you, right?

Christian Willis

17:43

Just like the first one. Again-

Karen Mom

17:47

Hold on a minute.

Christian Willis

17:49

it was late.

Karen Mom

17:54

I handed it to you, right?

Karen Mom

18:03

Okay, and again.

Karen Mom

18:08

When was the last time you checked?

Christian Willis

18:18

You want to look? Look, lo- lo- look.

Karen Mom

18:29

Bye. (Door closes.)

Christian Willis

18:35

(Opens door.) It was sent to me late, and it showed on there. It showed the date. It showed the date when it sent it.

Christian Willis

19:12

So look at the date and you tell me that I'm wrong. You wrote.

Karen Mom

19:32

Christian... It might be. You might be late getting this out. I understand that. I understand that.

Christian Willis

19:57

So why can't you admit it?

Karen Mom

20:05

Ok, why can't you, hold on a minute. Why can't you admit that you wouldn't even have the mail in your hand?

Christian Willis

20:37

So it's a 50/50. It's a 50/50.

Karen Mom

20:43

Okay, you know what?

Christian Willis

20:34

That's all I wanted to add. That's all to add to this.

Karen Mom

20:08

But when you...

Christian Willis

20:02

That's all I wanted to add to this.

Karen Mom

19:42

Na, nah.

Christian Willis

19:38

That's all I'm trying to add to this.

Karen Mom

19:21

When you think that they going to say 50/50 when you miss this deadline?

Christian Willis

18:49

Look, all I'm trying to tell you is what happened in the last scenario. That's all it is. Just asking for credit when it's due over the fact that they still late. That's it. But you couldn't. It took all of this just for you to finally acknowledge that.

Karen Mom

18:50

I didn't, Christian.

Christian Willis

18:52

See? Right now, you can't just acknowledge it. Because every time was about what I did wrong or what I didn't do right, instead of the surroundings of how it got that point. That's all I was trying to get at.

Karen Mom

19:09

But Christian... We wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Karen Mom

19:11

But because, again, because I didn't check every day. I know you're going to say.

Speaker 1

19:16

I didn't say every day. We would be having this conversation about this had the mail not been in your hand right now. You would have never known.

Karen Mom

19:24

But even if, because you checked right now it was sent late.

Karen Mom

19:27

Christian!

Christian Willis

19:28

That's all I'm saying.

Karen Mom

19:29

Christian!

Karen Mom

19:29

If you get it late, you, even if, hey, you would have never got it!

Karen Mom

19:33

I'm done with it.

Christian Willis

19:35

Again. If they had sent it to me in time, I would have gotten it earlier.

Karen Mom

19:39

You blame everything! You're always the victim about your own thing!

Christian Willis

19:42

I didn't say I was the victim. I'm just saying in this scenario they sent it to me late. That's all. I said.

Karen Mom

19:49

How bout' you pick it up! And, and they sent it late. Since you want to say that, how bout' you pick it up later?

Karen Mom

19:56

Na, nah, you didn't. Na, nah, that's even.

Karen Mom

19:59

You didn't even pick it up. I picked it up.

Christian Willis

20:02

Alright. The same thing with everything else, right?

Karen Mom

20:04

I picked it up.

Christian Willis

20:05

The same thing with everything else.

Karen Mom

20:07

Cause guess what?

Karen Mom

20:08

You probably wouldn't even got that when till-

Karen Mom

20:10

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. One day, like next week.

Karen Mom

20:12

Yeah, it just goes with anything else. It's the, principle of the fact.

Speaker 2

20:16

You know what? And the principle is, stay on top of your affairs.

Christian Willis

20:20

The principle is them sending it to me on time.

Karen Mom

20:23

I'll tell you one damn thing. When I was on unemployment... I'm all over it! With my money!

Christian Willis

00:00

Okay, and you can be all over it, but again it doesn't change the fact that they screw up and sent it late.

Karen Mom

19:54

They screwed up?!

Christian Willis

00:00

Yes! They screwed up. That's the whole point of me bringing up all of that stuff.

Karen Mom

00:00

When they cut your damn money off... Because you're not staying on top of your correspondence.

Christian Willis

18:18

Because they're not sending it to me on time.

Karen Mom

18:18

And that's what you're going to tell them?

Christian Willis

18:11

Yup.

Karen Mom

18:09

Alright. You wait. We'll see if that's changed.

Christian Willis

18:51

I'm just pointing my case here from the story, that's all. (Door closes.)

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