🦏💰Biggest MONEY SAVERS and WASTERS, Plus Breeding Talk, with Rhizo Rich

11:15AM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

Rhizo Rich

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Hawaiian fino hunt

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Greetings, growers around the world. Jordan River here back with more grow. Cast, sun grown in the Hawaiian air. Today we have riser rich back on the line. Riser Rich is the head breeder at grow. Cast seed CO and you guys know him. You love him. Today's episode is really good. We cover a variety of topics, from his upcoming pollinations to home breeding practices. We talk about saving money, the best ways to save money in your gardens, the best ways to avoid the biggest money pits. It's a really good episode. I know you're gonna love it before we jump into it, though. Shout out to AC infinity. That's right. Acinity.com, code, growcast, one five to get the biggest savings that you can out there. And they just dropped an amazing new product. It's an AC infinity heater. This thing is designed for your grow it's got a directional hose. It looks sleek. It's really, really cool. You can see it now at AC infinity.com, code, grow cast one, five, and that'll save you the biggest discount that they offer every time on not just the new heater, but also all of their grow tents, their grow kits, their grow lights, fans, inline fans, oscillating fans. They have pots, scissors, glasses to wear in your grow to protect yourself from the Grow lights. They have everything@acinity.com and you can use code grow, cast one five. It helps us out. Makes your grow look nice and check it out, everybody. Acinfinity.com code grow, cast one five, upgrade your grow grab a heater, grab a new kit. It's a great way to expand. And we love AC infinity here at growcast. So acinity.com, code growcast, one five, always. And thank you to AC infinity. All right, everyone, let's get into with ryzer Rich, thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show. Turn a grower onto growcast, or turn a smoker onto growing it's the best way that you can help us out on our mission of overgrow. Make sure you're subscribed wherever you're listening to this and go to growcast podcast.com for all the things there, you will find the classes and the seeds and the membership and everything else we have going on special, huge. Thank you to members of growcast membership. Today, we've got our head breeder at growcast seed CO, my good friend and long time talented cultivator, ryzo Rich is back on the show. What's up? Rich, how are you doing? Man, I'm doing great. Man, how are you doing excellent? I am doing excellent as well out here in the islands. Although Rich, I miss the Midwest. I miss you. Midwest grow mes. You know, I miss hanging out with Jay, hanging out with you, with the whole Midwest chapter. Yeah, I'm having fun, but I'm excited to get back rich. Really I am.

Well, we miss you, but I do MBU being on the island. Yeah,

you're coming out here next year. We're gonna get you out here, man, I'm telling you, I would love to today, we're gonna be talking about all sorts of stuff. Really, I wanna update rich on the Hawaiian fino hunt that we're doing out here, just like a little small trying to find something that works on the island. Rich is going to update us on his awesome grow, cast seed co fino hunt. We're going to talk about local inputs, using what's around you, saving money all the stuff that kind of goes into Island growing and Rich is working more. So let's start right there in the beginning, Rich, I am doing this little fino hunt. You know, I started with around 30 seeds I was going to pop, and we're popping them here on the island. It's during the wet season, and I had no idea how rough it is growing in this environment. Man, it's funny. Growing in Humboldt County. It's like it was so temperate all year round. It was so easy. I see why people thrive outside there. Here, if the rats don't get in and eat your seedlings. Then the biting insects will fell them from the soil surface. The moths lay their eggs on them. The humidity is so high you get mildews, and then as soon as things seem to calm down, whipping winds tear through. So let me circle it around to your grow cast seed. Co gear, though, man, because what ends up happening is like, at this point, what I realized Rich is so much of growing in a harsh environment is just simply vigor, because it's not about like having a pest resistant strain or a mold resistant strain out here. It's about having a strain that grows so fast and so easily and vigorously that it outpaces the 100 different things that are trying to kill it. You understand what I'm saying. I've never put so much emphasis on vigor for when it comes to survivability, and your genetics are like everyone else is dying. Man, right now, our front runners are Oreo, cheesecake, cookie, Truffle Shuffle and a peach buzz that came back from death's door. The peach buzz came back from death's door, bro. It was felled over by biting insects, and it repaired and calloused, and it's gone again, dude. It's nuts, Rich. So, So, long story short, it's hell growing out here. We're already down to like 1012, plants. Over half of half of our soldiers are dead, and. Your your genetics are leading the pack. Man, the cookie Truffle Shuffle is such a great strain. The Oreo cheesecake, Richard, we're going to talk about, they're leading the pack. And it's all about that vigor. Man, really, really good stuff.

Sense, the vigor thing? Man, when you say that, that they just have to grow as quickly as possible and as strongly as possible, out there with so many, uh, pressures on them. You know, I wouldn't have thought to word it like that, but it makes total sense. It just made

me think, because people are always talking about like, Oh, I really need a mold resistant strain to survive this environment, or a pest resistant strain because of all the pest pressure. And I feel like a lot of it just comes, yeah, totally. A lot of it just comes down to outgrowing all that shit. It's true. Yeah,

that just makes a lot of sense, dude. I've never really heard anybody put it in words like that, but I mean, it's so obvious, you know? Well,

one of the reasons I like so much of your truffle cake work is because the structure of the truffle cake, it passes on very, very dominantly. First of all, I see it in both of the cookie truffle shuffles that I have currently, and the Oreo cheese cake that I guess that's that's that's a different lineage, but it's got a similar structure. The Oreo cheesecake, which they've always got, that white truffle, you know? Okay, that makes sense, because it's, like, I describe it as towering. It's not lanky by any means, but it's tall and strong and sturdy, you know what? I mean, yeah,

man, that that white truffle cheese will stack all the way up. So that makes a lot of sense. It, it is a very tall one. But like you said, it's not lanky, you know what? I mean, like the entire sock is just flowered out. So they do really, really, really good in the grow. Just throw the fuck down,

and the wind is coming heavy, and they're really holding up to it rich. It's got sturdiness to its towering structure.

Yeah, that's important too. And once again, that white truffle cheese has really, really thick stems, and I'm growing some of the Oreo Cheesecake right now myself, and all of them are nice and thick and strong, like you're saying yours are. So it's definitely a dominant trait. It seems like absolutely, isn't

it fun that you me and producer Jay are all growing Oreo Cheesecake right now. That's really cool.

Nice. Izzy. Yep, his looks beautiful. Oh, that's awesome. It's

the only plant he has in the three by 310 and it looks absolutely beautiful. It's really cool, man. So I want, I want to keep everybody up to date. My goal in this Pheno Hunt is to just get one strain that does well on the islands, that maybe some of the local guys will pass around. That would be absolutely if I find like a unicorn and I and I get a cut back to the community, obviously, I'd be thrilled, but I'm not even aiming that far. I'm just trying to survive out here, man, and your genetics are shining through. There's still a few other ones that made it through, but it's like, I think there's only two. I think it's basically all your stuff at this point. So well done, sir. And let's lead this into your fino hunt. You just popped a whole bunch of beans, right? I don't think we've talked about this on the main show yet, or maybe a little bit,

yeah, I think maybe just the member stuff. Yeah, I popped, uh, I'm going through a pretty, I don't want to say a large hunt, but it's a good one. It's about 40 to 50 plants, so nice. It's a it's a decent one. I got four of the banana Oreo blizzard. Got three Oreo cheesecake. I got five cookie Truffle Shuffle, two Double Stuffed Oreos, three Oreos. That's one, two of the key lime madness. I got, I think, three Purple tazars, a key lime pie across the apes and space. Then I got some other work from other breeders, like the deep fried oreos from in house, ooh Oreo King from him and Bucha, which is like a like a horchata platinum cross, the horchata type cross, or something like that. Look to check, but Farmer John sent me those, so I wanted to pop those as well this time, just because I like to look through not just my stuff, but other people's stuff. Yeah, I'd say a good majority of it is, is mostly Seacoast stuff.

Yes, that's what I like to hear, man, we were talking about this. And listen, if you want to go back listeners and check out all of riser riches episodes. You can learn more about his his breeding philosophy and how you select but one thing I know about you Rich is you refuse to put your own plans ahead of what these plants do for you. Meaning, obviously there's a few on that list that I would love for you to use, but I know you and you're never going to use something just because it's the strain you want, it's got to stand out to you, to be the one, oh, that you use in breeding. Yeah,

yeah. I mean, I have ideas for certain things, you know, and I want to do certain things, but you're right, if something else speaks to me before that, I'm definitely going to stop what I'm doing and do that

like I would like to see one of those banana Oreo blizzards be the standout, so that you can reverse it and do a whole pollination. I feel the same way about the key, I madness, or what have you, but you're gonna pick the best one. I know you. You're gonna pick the best one. You have no preconceived biases or notions when it comes to seeds. No, I

try not to, I try not to hold nothing against you. Never know what you're gonna get. Ma'am, one seed could change everything you. It's true, that's well said, one seed, you know, that

is very well said, man, and I'm glad that we got you set up and you're growing, you know, indoors, you got the beautiful living soil. I want to talk about that a little bit today. But you come from an island, you know how it is? Growing on an island, it's different, man, it's fucking, first of all, it's hard. It's hard growing on an island. When

you said, the wind whipping. That was like that hit me, because that was a huge thing on the island I was at on the East Coast. It was just the wind was it was different. You know, like low winds in the winter time would be like 40 miles an hour consistently, you know, always whipping winds,

ripping your plants up. Man, absolutely, you got to either get a wind break or get a little greenhouse. Yeah? Because, because, right now we're just chancing it out there with no wind break and isn't getting stuff like, one of the hardest things living in the Midwest is so nice, yeah? Because you're like, you get anything shipped from anywhere two days away from the Midwest, 50

stores around you, anything shipped to you next day. And then, yeah, you're on an island. You're not you might get Amazon, but like, you're not going to get it like other people. It's going to take longer. You're going to be limited. It's just not as fun. And then, if you want to get something in person, at least, where I was at, you know, drive three hours just to get off the island for you, you're really screwed. I mean, you're where you're where you are. You know, you're not going anywhere else. You're in Hawaii. You

gotta take a plane off the island here. Man, it's nuts. So you're right. Amazon takes three weeks to deliver here, and what ends up happening, rich, I'm sure you saw this back home with the growers, is you basically try to DIY, or use what's around you as a default. Yeah, it's the opposite of growing on the mainland, which is like, you get growing, you get all the good stuff, and then you look around stuff, and then you look around and see, what can I close the loop here? Like, what can I start doing myself? It's the opposite here. It's like, I need to say, I need to do all of this myself, except for the few things get away with, yes, except for the few things I can import. So I'd like to talk about, like, using what's around you, and also tie that into a subject. I want to dive into this episode, which is money, right? The other thing about Hawaii is everything's expensive, man and growing can be expensive. No one's got extra money right now, really, so. So when you start using what's around you, not only do you close that loop, but you also can save a lot of money. I know that's a big subject in your cultivation strategy rich what to you are some of the biggest ways to save money when it comes to like your local environment, your local community, no matter where

you are. Man, reusing your media, your soil. You know what I mean? Definitely reusing that or re amending it, so you're not constantly buying bags of soil or having to go get bags of soil. And that's always a good one to try to put back money wise on if you're able to, you know, I'm sure you can do it with Coco too. I know people use cocoa,

dude, I used to throw out old soil. That's got to be the biggest money back

in the day, you know, before I really knew, they told

you to all the growers I knew told me to throw out my old medium and fresh stuff. Oh my god, bro, that's got to be the biggest money waster when I look back at like, my humble days, like that was so stupid throwing out that soil. Now you do have to, like, rinse it. If you're using salts, right? You got to wash it. You got to flush it. If you're using soil, soil, like you said, you got to re amend it. But reuse that medium. Don't let it wind up in the dump. That's like, losing the game, right? That's like, game over when you're when you're your waste, or your your products from your grow end up in the dump. That's like, minus points, right there,

yeah. And that's what they talk about, like, when you hear people's, I don't know, I was looking at some kind of article not long ago, and they were, somebody was talking about growers and, like, how much waste does it cost for that bag of weed or whatever? And it was, it was a little bit higher than you would imagine, you know, or at least what they claim it is, between all the nutrients and this, that and the other. Now, I'm sure as growers beyond that's going to be kind of dependent on what the growers doing, if they're regenerative and whatnot, but, but I agree, throwing soil away is just adding to those numbers unnecessarily, you know?

Yeah, that's true. Well, I mean, listen, maybe let's back it up for a second. And when it comes to money, just say rich, there's nothing like growing in the ground under the sun when it comes to cutting costs, right? Like, if that's possible, if your soil is good enough to to kind of rework, get the plants in ground under the sun. That is the cheapest way to grow. It's not for everyone, but let's, let's just be honest, cheapest, yeah, cheapest, most effective. You know, totally. You know, when we talk about these, like, how much does this cost? Well, that's like an indoor cultivation. You won't even let these large cultivators produce outside. So Don't, don't come banging down my door over my four by 410 when you're not angry, you know what I'm saying. So I totally agree with that. If you're looking to save money, there's nothing that compares to outdoor regenerative AG, in ground, under the sun. Now, that being said, That's not how I grow, right? I want to grow indoors. I love growing indoors. I'll always grow indoors. I love growing outdoors, too, to be honest. But it's the cheap. First, I ain't gonna lie, it is the cheapest. It is. It definitely is. So what else I'm trying to think? What else do you get? Locally rich? You're really good at this stuff, man. Like, I know you, you try to plug yourself into local grow stores. Oh yeah, there's, like, local compost and nurseries, nurseries, yeah, talk about that a little

bit, at least around here. Like, surprisingly, a lot of the nurseries tend to have whole areas now that are, like, dedicated to grow stuff and, and it sounds obvious, like, nursery grow, yeah. But I mean, like, cannabis grow, stuff, totally pens and lights and different nutrients and stuff that they just didn't have before the state and legal. So you can sometimes go to nurseries and find really good deals, especially on different soils, good prices on those if you're starting out, you know. So just looking around is kind of key. Not every hydro store is there to, you know, give you the the green tax and rip you off. Like, you know, our friends store next level, like their prices. Sometimes I wonder how they even make money. The price is like, almost what they're paying if it sometimes it even is, you know. So not all of those stores are looking to rip you off. So definitely look around if you have the ability to check multiple stores. Yeah,

that's a good point, and it's good to get in with those stores. Make friends with those

people. Yes, go get you free samples all that shit, man, exactly

you want to support those local businesses and help keep them open, right? And they want you coming to them. So, you know, a good hydro store will be putting on a Customer Appreciation Day at least, or like regular events and classes, like you said, our next level indoor garden supply friends in Rockford that that's like, where that pays off, right? And you don't have to be like, rude or weird about it, you you make good friends with them, and then just say, hey, you know, I'm trying to do this grow for as cheap as possible. You guys got any free samples of anything laying around? You know, that you could let go of, like, no problem. If not, it doesn't have to be like, greedy or pushy, right half the time they'll just give you free stuff. It was a great grow cast TV. I think you were there rich, maybe it was an AMA. But we were like, where's the free stuff? Guys, I almost made a free stuff channel in the discord. I might have to do this. But, like, there are certain products out there that they give out a lot of free samples of fish. Shit comes to mind. Recharge comes to mind. Someone said they got a free bottle of mammoth Si, I was like, Man, I did. Dude, that's expensive stuff. I didn't know they were giving out samples of that. Dude,

it was a full size bottle. I don't think it was necessarily. I don't think they had sample bottles of it. But a lot of times, if there's like, a rep at a vendor day, and you ask them, or they know you, they'll just give it to you most of the time, especially if it's a vendor day, they don't want to have to load it back up and bring it back, like, whatever they bring they want to, most of the time get rid of you know,

that is so true, dude. And you're right. I think it was exactly what you said. It was their small size that was given that's going to last you, like,

a year. Bro, I've had that same bottle for over a year. Actually, I got it at vendor day on the vendor day at next level, where it was raining and the whole thing was inside. If you remember when that happened two years ago, he gave me a big bottle, though. Oh, that's funny, dude, pretty good size. I'm almost out of it, but I've had

it forever, so that's why it pays to have grow mes right, to be generous, to be friendly, to go to events and connect. That's one of the things we do in Grow cast membership. So well, right? Like, if you come to a grow cast meetup and you're not a member, you're gonna get, like, showered with homemade seed crosses and KNF inputs and really whatever you need. So I feel like plugging into the community is a great way to, oh, that's huge what's around you, and ultimately save a bunch of money.

I agree. Man, the community is very helpful and very generous. It seems like, yeah,

it's absolutely true. So yeah, like I said, you don't have to be a mooch or anything, but go check out what's free. They want to give out that free stuff before it goes bad. You know, they made a whole batch of free samples.

Yeah, most of the time those companies are giving them to the stores, and the stores are are most of the time glad to give them out. I used to have a store that they would get new stuff. And if they thought it was, like, applicable to me, they would call me and be like, Hey, we got this new thing if you want to come grab a sample. So some of those stores will really hook you up if you get to know them and talk to them. And most of people working there are growers, so they love talking to you. They want to talk shop with you. You know,

totally that's why it pays to have, like, a cool hydro store nearby. That's the main that's the difference night and day. Difference between, like, being a grower who's regularly, like, happy about the community, or not or not connecting with anyone is how cool and how nice your hydro store is your local hydro store. So yeah, I like that. But let's talk about, I like the throwing out soil, specifically that it's a big money waster. I want to talk about not so much saving money, but avoiding the things that waste money. I think throwing out soil is like number one, dude. That was literally the number one bullet point on my list. You mentioned the green tax. Can we talk about this? I think this is important. The green tax is this phrase that people refer to companies that mark up. Products and face them towards cannabis, right? Either they're trying to increase their profit margin just by marking it up more and or they're probably a smaller company to begin with than some of the non cannabis like big entities that produce a similar or the same product and rich, what you really don't want to fall victim to is paying more for the exact same active ingredient, right? That's when it's like not, it's not plus EV, no matter, no matter how you split it. So, right? What are some of the biggest examples of the green tax to you, where you're paying for the same ingredient or virtually the same ingredient?

Does it have to be an ingredient? Can it be a product? Anything? 10 for a 10? 10s. Interesting. I'm a cheap bastard when it comes to grow 10, I refuse to buy a name brand Grow Tent. I have some of the cheapest grow tent, and like my eight by eight got paid $200 for my eight by eight. It is a cheap ass Amazon brand. That thing's been up for like, seven or eight years, metal interlocking poles. It is fucking no different than anybody else's $500.03 you know what? I mean? I love it. I just, I really have a problem. And there are some nice tents that are pricey, but for what a tent is, you don't need to spend a bunch of money on a tent. And there are so many cheap brands out that are good. Now I just feel like it's it's a big waste of money. When it comes to somebody starting to grow, they could really save a couple $100 in some instances, put

that money elsewhere. Now, let's get specific. There. You say you go onto Amazon, you look up eight by 810, and then I assume you probably start scrolling, because the whole first page is going to be,

Oh, dude, yes. You have to look through the cheap ones and find, like I said, Who has metal interlocking poles? How thick is the the material that goes around it? You know what I mean? How many vent holes? But if you look good enough, there's plenty of brands that are cheap that have just as thick fabric as the nice ones. They'll have those metal interlocking poles. You're right. You do have to look, because you can definitely get conned into buying a cheap and that's crap. You know what I mean?

Well, I mean worst case scenario with Amazon specifically in anything you return it. That's the cool thing about Amazon, is that's true. Worst case scenario, you get it and it's like a janky piece of crap, and then you just get your money back. Like, if you complain to Amazon, they'll give you your money back, plus a coupon. So if it's not, like, time sensitive, I think this is a, this is a good and interesting strategy. One other thing I've noticed is sometimes it'll be a brand and they'll be selling those grow tents, and then it'll just be gone, right? Like, it was some warehouse brand overseas,

oh, they made a couple pallets or something, yeah. And they were like, Oh, we're done

exactly. So, yeah, you got to check it regularly. I feel too that's a really good point man tents. And it's funny, because we were talking about this off air, we have some ideas when it comes to stuff like that. Tents is a big one for me, things like rooting, hormones, things that are used in big ag as well. It's a good even microbes like trichoderma. If trichoderma products are cannabis facing, they're always more expensive. That's a big waste. I feel.

Yeah, that's a great point.

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Oh, man, yeah. I mean, honestly, when it comes to growing anything, anything's fucking fair game. You know what I mean, whether it's tents, whether it's lights, you can buy a $3,000 LED light, or you can buy a cheaper five or $600 light that covers the same space and is just as well. So it just really depends on where you want to save money. But really, I mean, if I'm being honest, you can find options on just about any piece of equipment or piece of nutrition or any of that true, even with seeds, you know, you can find $600 packs of seeds that are good and $50 packs of seeds that are good. So it's all all about you looking around like you said, connect with the community and get some advice from other people.

Yeah, absolutely. And hunt out those deals. We have a whole channel for, like, special deals that people find on the internet. So I do like that. And then to the rooting aspect, don't you use a rooting product? That's like a general garden product? What is it? Root tone, or something?

Root tech? Yeah, I like to use root tech. Got a pretty high percentage of the rooting hormone in it compared to some of the other ones. And it seems to root stuff pretty fast as well. For me, it makes those little tiny containers.

That's right, that's right. I was thinking root tone. Root

tone is the name of another one. I think that's the powder. There's a powder called root tone,

yes, and it's like a spoma, or whatever it's it's a big brand. Oh,

totally, dude. I have some of that still, for sure. I got a a bottle of that if you buy it, I don't think it you'll ever run through an entire bottle of it. Get it for like five bucks anywhere, Walmart, space hardware.

That's bizarre, man. So, yeah, it's all around us. I do agree with that. Another way to save a lot of money is, like you said, taking a look at the products you buy and then seeing if you can just make them at home. Man, I don't think this is as easy. Obviously, you ain't doing this with a grow light. You're not making your own grow light. You're probably not making your own Grow Tent. Maybe you build a little space, right? Like frame out of space. But I'm thinking things like in the trimming process. I'm thinking things in the cloning process. These are ways that, I mean, listen, you can spend hundreds of dollars on cloners. For instance, rich, you posted a tutorial to make your own Cloner out of a Home Depot tote. How much did that thing cost you? Dude,

I think that thing was like 40 bucks with the pump and everything in it, and you can, and I would put like 100 cuts in that thing. It had so much space, it was huge. Man. Do

you have videos on that pinned on your Instagram?

I'm gonna have to look and maybe stayed somewhere in discord. Let's dig them

up. We'll post them in discord for the members and then listeners. The green list, our email list, is back in action. I'm going to send out this DIY bucket Cloner tutorial to our green list subscribers.

Oh, I did the bucket too. Yeah, that one was, that one works great. Well, that

was two different ones. There was a tote and a bucket. We'll send out both of

them. Yeah, man. And I mean, cloning is a really good point, because I see people spend a lot of money on, Oh, I gotta go get a clone light, or even a Cloner, or all, even, dude, even, like, a dome and shit like, those things help, for sure, but I just posted in our Discord. I ran out of space a couple weeks ago, and I took, like, I took two Tupperware containers, like, you know, like the Tupperware, like rectangle, they're kind of tall that you would pour, like a box of cereal into. Yes, totally. I took two of those and I put eight clones, so there's, like four in each one that I just cut into cubes, and I put them in there, and I put them in my living room, like on a little corner Hutch table, and there's just this little tiny, like house light that I put above them, and they rooted and never skipped a beat. Like, not one yellow leaf. Hell, yeah. Like, you could really save some money with cloning, too, if you just look around and figure out stuff you could use, as, you know, a dome or Earth space or something. You really don't have to put a lot of money into cloning, especially a small, homegrown, yeah,

and you can even make a Cloner that is literally the exact same as, like I said, these like, 100 or hundreds of dollar cloners for less than half the price. So,

Oh, dude, yeah, those for sure, you save a ton of money. We're gonna post

up both of those tutorials. Go to grow cast podcast.com/list, and give us your email. We'll send those out in the next coming weeks. Here those, that's, that's top of the line, man. Like when it comes to DIY, save yourself a couple $100 I think that's, that's probably one of the best things you've done. You also made a really funny video about those Canna brushes. Do you want to talk about that?

Yeah. So the Canna. Brush. It's like a silicone, like meat baser brush thing, if you know what that is, the only difference is it has, like, harder bristles, yes, and shorter, usually, yeah, a little bit shorter and but, but mostly that they're harder than, like, the average silicone basr brush, true, it's less so I don't want to take credit for this, because somebody showed me this, and then I took it from them, but they were the only person I've ever seen it from. They went to the dollar store, and I actually did this exact thing, and I made this video and showed you, and showed the members too. You can go to the dollar store, get you a silicone brush. Now, when you buy it, you're going to notice that the brush parts, like, really flimsy, they're not hard. So basically, all you got to do is take a pair of scissors and, like, cut those in half. Just take the brush and cut the brush part in half. And when they're shorter, they're much more stiffer and harder than when you buy it, and they're new, and they're all floppy, right? I mean, I know people that use them now, and it works just like a fucking can of brush. That's crazy. You could save 20 bucks there and literally spend $1 you know, that is

so funny. You're looking at this thing and you're like, I can absolutely recreate this. I'm going to be perfectly honest, when I first saw that product and heard about that product. I didn't love the idea of the of the contact, and it didn't sound like it would work very well. But it does work. I will say something. It works pretty damn well, whether you use the DIY version or or support the amazing cannabrush, not a sponsor. Yeah, it seems to work pretty damn well. I was surprised. Honestly, I agree

it does work. I was amazed. Soon I was very skeptical. I'm not gonna lie. So

shout out to the brush trimmers. What probably one of the least common styles of trimming, I would say, please tell me if you're a brush trimmer, shoot me a DM on Instagram or an email on the website. Tell me why the you're singing the praises of the of the brush. So, yeah, that's an easy one. I mean, you just literally snip, boom, you have, you have a product there. Oh, oh, the homemade trimmers and the homemade trim bags. This one is interesting bags. This isn't just really good, yeah. And this one isn't just like having a snip, either it takes a little bit of ingenuity. But if you look at the inside of a trim bag, or a bubble magic bag trimmer, or whatever. Dude that inner material, it looks just like the plastic construction fencing.

Yes, whatever color plastic construction fencing. And it's funny, because I know somebody who made a trim bag, two out of two five gallon buckets. And I was like, How the fuck did you do that? And they told me, they were like, and they they open it up, and they had that, that fencing material. And I was like, There's no way. That's what it is. And then one of me and your mutual friends has a trim bag and showed me. And sure enough, that's all it is. Exactly

what it is. Sometimes it's a little bit different of a space sizing, like the squares, you know, the open squares. Yeah,

you might have to tinker with that part and figure out the squares size, but you can definitely make one of those too. If you

can find a friend who has a trim bag and you can open it up and take a look at what you're talking about, you can 100% make one of those great

idea, yeah, or even YouTube a video and, you know, study it

totally, take some screenshots. This is something you could make at home. Now. It does travel into the realm of might be easier to buy it. Listen, here's the other thing, Rich. I gotta say this like I said, the only crime is when you're paying more for the exact same thing. That is the number one thing I want to get out of people's heads. People got to understand growers have different financial levels, right? Like someone might be working a full time job and be a hobby grower and not have a real, really a spare minute to go and make a trim back and God bless right? But other people want to spend as little as possible on your you're one of these people rich. Why would I spend more than I have to. So let's try to DIY as much as we can. So I respect both schools of thought, but I like the DIY growers out there. Man, it's really cool.

I think it really depends on the grower too. Like, I got into growing obviously, because, you know, I love it. It's fun, it's a great hobby. It relieves stress. But like, overall, I wanted to save money on weed. I didn't want to have to buy weed anymore. So, like, I got into it trying to save money. I didn't get into it. And I know it cost money to get into it, so it was like, I didn't want to have to spend even more than I already was, just to pull off the same thing as the next guy who may have the $5,000 light intent or whatever, and the quality is no different, you know? So,

yep, that's true. The number one determining factor in quality, every single breeder, every single grower, guest I have asked all has the same answer to that question. Genetics, like you can always improve little. Bits. But if you're grown with good genetics, and you have anywhere near enough light, enough nutrition, enough calcium, enough airflow, you will get high quality blood pull off a grow. I agree, high quality buds. It's just the way it is. Man, you get some good genetics. Now this is a funny one, though rich, because I feel like home breeding is technically a way that you could save money. However, in practice, the people who I know, who breed, buy more seeds than almost anybody else out there. You understand what I'm saying? Do you understand what I'm saying there?

Dude, I understand 100% what you're saying, and I do agree, like, yes, you could make seeds and save money on that end. And I always, you know how I feel about it. We've been breeding classes like I tell everybody, you should, every grower should at least do one breeding project and grow a plant out that they created from seed, just for the the rewarding feeling of growing and harvesting and smoking, something that you personally made, that no one else has. But at the end of the day, I feel like, personally, in my own grow like, if all I did was only grow my own work, I would be so limited in what I'm seeing and working with and doing, just because it would always be the same thing over and over and over and over, you have to bring new genetics in. So even if you're a breeder, you have to bring in other breeders stuff and look through it. You know, you're not just like, I'm not just looking through my own stuff. I want to look through other people's stuff too. So Well, I agree, while it's a spot to save money, I think long term, you're still probably going to end up either getting clones or seeds or something, because, yeah, everybody wants something new. You know, it's true. Oh no. And

let's be honest, man, everybody's breeding now. And like, you can get free seeds. Come to a grow cast meetup, we'll get your free seeds. Like, there's seeds everywhere.

Oh, there's whole, like, pages dedicated to giving seeds away. Now, totally go to any cannabis

event. So it's one of those things where I feel like I'm going to tell people to breed, to breed, to save money, and they're just going to end up buying extra, extra seats. But God, God bless them. God bless them all. They're like, adult

trading cards. That's what I call it's hard not to, yeah, not to get them, especially when new stuff comes out and it's something you you're interested in, or like, you know, yeah,

or a breeder that you follow. Man, like, shout out mad love to all the people who support grow cast, seed CO and your work, it's, it's 100% it's been humbling, rich, like, super humbling, yeah. And it's weird too, because, you know, I've been doing the show for a long time. We're coming up on 10 years. Grow cast started in 2015 I first turned, turned on the microphones in 2014 so it's about to be 10 years of cannabis podcasting. So that gives me an insane amount of satisfaction. But there's something different about grow, cast, seed, CO and working with you, man, like, it's so cool to see our stuff on

across the country, and physical, like the world country in physical form. You're like, What the fuck, dude, it's so cool. Somebody's growing something that's a part of US and Australia or South Africa, or whatever. You know,

yes, dude, shout out to the Grow bro in South Africa. Shout out to the whole Australian chapter. Shout out to 12 degrees south growing us down in Brazil, all over Canada,

dude, how about that? That was it South Africa. The guy that has the Oreo Cheesecake outside, that was Brazil. That was Brazil. Oh, that was Brazil. That thing's crushing outside. I was like, Holy shit, I

just love to see that stuff. Man, yeah. Shout out to horce script, the whole Canada chapter, we're incredibly humbled. The EU chapter, killing it out there. Yes, it's wild stuff. Man, Hey, before we move into home pollinations, I want to talk about making your own seeds. And just talk to you a little bit about, like, pollinations and your upcoming stuff. But I do want to tell the listeners about the Grow cast seed co offer that we're starting right now. It's super, super simple. We were talking about the Oreo cheesecake. It's the strain that we're going to be featuring for the month of March. And Rich, if they buy any order of grow cast seed co they always get a freebie pack, right? But just for starting now, until April 1, if they buy an Oreo Cheesecake pack in their order, they'll get a bonus freebie on top of everything else, right? So, so if they wanted to, they could buy one pack of Oreo cheesecake and get three packs of seeds mailed to their house, correct 100% that is a solid deal, you guys. So it's a good way to just grab a pack if you want to do an order. Obviously, we appreciate you guys all the time, but just go ahead and hit up that Oreo cheesecake. Members get $20 off per pack. So that's three packs of seeds for 50 bucks if you're a member, real quick. Rich. We gotta talk Oreo cheesecake. I mentioned the vigorous growth. I mentioned that we're all growing it. Did you see monster Scroggins Oreo cheesecake? My man. TK, in membership,

I did. I reposted his video today. Man, he did a phenomenal job. It's like rainbow colored, incredibly colorful. The

ROY G BIV, fino. We'll post that one up on the gray list as well, if you're subscribed to the email. Let's take a take a look at those pictures. I

can't wait to try that one. I'm so glad he's local.

So funny. Did he get to

burn that one together? I'm dying to try it. It's stunning, man. And he did such a good job on it, like he I mean it, it's beautiful. Oh,

man, any prettier? Yeah, did yourself. And it's really, really good. That bag appeal is just compounding. So again, grow cast, podcast.com, click seed CO, bring you right there and grab a pack or a cheesecake. Get three packs of seeds. You can't go wrong, everybody. So and again, come to a rise over the breeder class. We got one planned for later this year. We're going to have the online offering as well. And start your home pollination rich, the way Rich says it, and why I love doing that breeder class so much, is exactly what he said earlier in this show. Everyone who's serious about growing should do it at least once. This is one of those things where, if you're a poker player, you should play the World Series at least once. If you're a baseball fan, I don't know, you gotta go see some stadium. That was a bad analogy. You know what I'm saying, rich, you should do it. I'm sure

there's Red Sox. They're fucking Yankee Stadium. Gotta

take a picture with the green monster. Okay, totally. This is one of those things every serious grower should do at least one time. That being said, rich, what would you recommend personally for a first time? Home pollination. Would they go full blown male pollination so they can watch the whole process happen? Or do you recommend collecting pollen and just doing a little hand pollination bud?

So for me, I I always recommend putting the male in there. You're going to get way better pollination rates and a lot more seeds. But you know, once again, it depends on what the growers doing. If the grower just wants to make like, hey, I want to make a couple packs of seeds just for myself. I don't want a whole seated out tent. And they want to try doing just like some some small branches, or something like, what you're saying, you know, that's totally applicable. That's fine to do, like, people can do that, and it's still breeding, you know, you're still doing a pollination project. So I think either or will work. I just prefer that when I'm making seeds like I'm not trying to limit the plants that I'm pollinating by only hitting branches or doing this, or, you know, stuff like that. And I feel like it might mess with the hormones. And I'm sure it doesn't, but I don't know. I just like everything, like they're gonna be, you know, slinging yogurt around the tent. Let them fucking Have at it.

I think that you pointed out a couple good things there, which is, first of all, if you're growing for stock, if you're going for, like, seed stock, let's say you just want to have seeds forever, for the rest of your life, you should probably, if you have enough excess flour, just stop and do a pollination run. You'll, you'll have fucking 1000s of seeds, one and done. And

you can do it in a two by two or three by three. Don't need a huge space. So, you know, you can do a little project and and keep it contained.

That's a really good point. You're gonna end up with a with a ton there. And you're gonna learn, I don't know why, I don't know what, necessarily learn more, but you're gonna learn different things. You're gonna see the whole process. Like I said, you get to watch who doesn't like, Well, yeah,

and you get to see the the mail completely flower out. I feel like, when you collect pollen, most people just, they just collect the like, as much pollen as they feel like they need, and then they get rid of the plant. And it's like, man, he only flowered for four or five weeks. Like he's ready to go another three weeks. I want to see what he does, and just look at him more. You know, I have no problem with leaving them in there. That's my preference. That's

funny. Get to see the mail complete. I get it rich. Yeah.

I want to see him, you know, completely finish off and how he's going to look and what he does. And, all

right, let's bring it back right here on the flip side, if you don't need the massive seed stock and stuff, I guess the biggest benefit to just doing the hand pollination doesn't interrupt your flow, right? There are some of us, yeah. I mean, yeah, I smoke a lot, and I get you don't want to waste a whole run. So yeah, I would think that's, that's a good way to split it up,

yeah, you know, or you can, well, no, I guess that would kind of be the same. So you could just keep some, some really small plants into, you know, clones, into a small breeding project, and still let it go pretty hard in there. You know what I mean,

micro breed. Have you ever done that? Man, like, a micro breeding thing? Like, what if you did a breeding project in one of those computer tower grows? Though, that would be incredible

to see. The smallest I'd done is, like, three by 310 so which is, you know, pretty small, but it's definitely not a micro grow.

Yeah, I am cooking up in my head right now. We actually have a Hangout. We're recording this on a Friday, so I might bring this up in the Hangout, but we're going to do a big grow competition for the members, and I might do something like micro grows, or some really wacky grows. So that would be cool with a big prize. We got huge prize. We'll see what we can do there. Man, it would be cool to have a challenge where people would be doing things like micro pollinations.

You don't see that every day. I don't that's for sure. And I look for like that, you know. So

to wrap up the the breeding talk, do you have any other general tips? For healthy, seeded plants. I know you said before, it's a lot like growing regular plants, but any any considerations that you might want to have if you know that you have a plant that's really seeded out,

oh, man, don't be scared. Like, towards the end, if you're unsure, even think you're unsure, of like, the maturity of seeds. Like, don't be scared every couple days to pull a seed or two out, give it an inspection, and, you know, see how Hardy it is. Is it fully developed? You know, check it out. You definitely don't want to pull the seeded plants down if you're looking for seeds too early and and mess things up. So I always, you know, tell people don't be hesitant to dig a seed or two out every couple days, and just give it a good check. You know, it's something that you're concerned about when you're breathing, because I know it's something that I was always concerned about in the beginning, you know, oh, are these ready? Are they not? You're scared

you're going to damage the plant. But you say, if you're just kind of, you know, gentle but firm, and you get in there and just pull a seed out, it doesn't really stress the plant. It's fine, right?

Yeah. I mean, I usually look for like a, it's usually not like a main polo that I'm taking it out of, although you could, I just usually look for like a bottom bud that's still getting plenty of light, nice and mature, you know. And I'll pull one out of there, and then I'll find another one of those couple days later, if I feel that's necessary. Sometimes you can just see them bulging out, and you just, you know, you know, by looking at them. So it's all just very dependent. But I know sometimes, for the ones you can't, don't be scared to to pull some out. But I mean, you know, nutrition wise, overall, yeah, I pretty much, I pretty much, keep everything the same, man, I'm not mixing separate nutrients for the breeding area, or anything like that, you know,

yeah, and that's what I hear. You know, even Nick says they feed the same seeds are technically a sink for phosphorus, but everybody has a lot of phosphorus anyways, right? Especially cannabis growers. So it's an interesting one, but nonetheless, I like the idea of digging them out. Can you safely assume that the lower buds, like you said, maybe they didn't get quite as much light. Can you safely assume that if you dig out a lower bud and pull a seat out, that the main cola buds are probably the same maturity, or maybe even a little further? Is that accurate?

You know, that's actually a really good question, and from my observation in the beginning, yes, I thought, well, yeah, the seeds up top would look better. And honestly, yes, that's true. If there's if they're getting more light than a bud who's not getting as much light, but if, if the lower and top are still getting the same amount of light, the seed should basically be the same size. What when you really see the difference in sizing with the seeds? I noticed is especially like when you leave in a male like I do, is sometimes the seed, like the seed, the areas of the plant that are pollinated first will have larger seeds than, say, the seeds that are forming that maybe those pistols got hit a week later, which seems obvious, but you can definitely see some major size discrepancies, sometimes in the same strain, in the in seed sizing, just because that set of seeds got pollinated earlier. For the other ones,

the coverage of the first bust is essentially,

it's not like, if you keep a male in there and the first day you put it in there, it pollinates everything. Like, that's it like it's going to continue to drop pollen for the rest of its time flowering. The male is and the the females still are pushing some pistols through here and there. So any of the white pistols are going to end up getting pollinated as well that push through after that initial pollination. So that's, that's basically what I'm saying. You'll see some size discrepancies there sometimes, especially, you know, like that, that very first Brack, like, where any note is, yeah, I know, like loving in her eyes. Does it like, when she pulls her harvested buds, she'll pull, like, the giant Brack off, like, right where the stem and buds meet and make a bowl out of them, yeah, right

by the stipules? Yeah, yes. Those definitely

seem to have the largest seeds, because they're probably, like, one of the first things it you know what? I mean that

makes sense. They're so exposed, yeah?

And then, you know, the just that initial cluster of of pistols that gets pollinated first, those always seem to be like the chunkiest, best. That's that. But you know, it all just depends, once again, when you're harvesting your seeds too, like I let mine fully finish off. I know Some breeders will let them do like 32 to 42 days. I usually run mine like 50 days, because I want everything to be nice and mature, so I try to get, try to get them as as done as possible. I'm not on them early just to get them out two weeks before. You know. Yeah, yeah,

true. That makes sense. And I see that in your work, man, big fat honking monster. See? Seeds. What are the biggest seeds you've ever bred?

Okay, so I, you know, I mess with that truffle and truffle cake a lot, and that one seems to make huge seeds. So like anything, like the tectonic truffle, white truffle cheese, the cookie, Truffle Shuffle, the frost cakes. And actually, it's really anything that I that I have with pancakes in it, too. So both of those, which truffle cake does have pancakes in it, but anything with that truffle or pancakes just makes the most enormous seeds. And you've seen them, you know? Yeah, big fat seeds. Yeah, they're huge man like, biggest seeds I've ever seen. They're even bigger than the lamb raised one. So it's just, it's kind of surprising, but that's just the traits of that one. There's

sometimes look round those tectonic truffle seeds looked like cilantro seeds. You ever see those big, spherical cilantro that's what they looked like. It looked like a totally different plant species, totally different plant family.

The Oreo Cheesecake seeds are even more like globular, or rounder, like more spherical. They just have like, this big batch sphere on them. So those are even chunkier.

It's like fucking energy stored in there. Man, like rocket fuel. That's what's up, dude. So if you want to get those globular seeds, you know where to get them grow. Cast podcast.com, grab an Oreo cheesecake. Get a bonus freebie. Take advantage of this one, guys. This will be really, really this is a no brainer. This one will be a really beautiful addition to your garden. So anything else rich, before we close out this awesome episode, it was, I mean, we covered just about everything from like DIY products to saving money to local inputs, lots of strain talk. It's a very, very good episode. Anything else where people can find you, or any other updates,

you know where to find me is always at ryzo underscore rich ICC on Instagram or at Illinois Cannabis consulting, the website as well. We you can hit up grow pass, podcast.com, right? And then find everything through there, link for the seeds and all that. That's

right, that's where you find it, everybody. And then we have some other stuff planned for later this year. We're going to be doing a class, probably around September. Yes, probably around September, right? Rich, that's what we're shooting for, yeah. So keep an eye out for that. Everybody will announce official dates once we get it locked down, once it approaches. But that's all for now. Everyone grow cast podcast.com, again for the seeds for the membership. Members get $20 off per pack. Just grab a membership and use those discounts. We got all sorts of member discounts on hlG and Rimrock testing, and, of course, grow cast seed CO, so that's a great way to save money. I'll see you there, everybody one more time. Thank you Rich. Thank you for all you do for the community, for grow cast seed CO, and I cannot wait to smoke one at the cultivators cup in April,

dude, I can't wait to smoke one with you, either. And thank you. Thank you all the people that support me and support us and grow cast and seed CO and we're gonna have some new femme lines this year and all sorts of fun shit. So I just I appreciate everybody, and I appreciate all the support, and everybody's been so awesome to us, dude, we have the best community at growcast. I genuinely think that that's why I hang out here, and it's been here as long as I have, you know, God, I love

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