think it just comes down to the story. I got really lucky with this story, which, which is that? From the get go, I had no idea what the story was about. And I still don't know what the fundamental kind of I don't know the fundamental answer to the answer to the questions presented in the story, which you would say, Oh, well, that, you know, maybe that's, maybe that's a flaw. Maybe it is at the beginning of many podcasts. The hosts will say, this is a story about and then they give you like, three themes of what the story is going to be about. And I just think, don't you want the listener to, like in a movie, you wouldn't hear somebody directly to the camera, say to the camera, you know, this movie is about love and hardship or whatever it's, you know, part of the fun of going of listening to a story is figuring out what it's about yourself and what it means to you. And so, I think for anybody who wants to break into narrative podcast, it's really fundamentally about the store, you can have the best equipment in the world, but if you know what the story is about five minutes after you start, become really interested in it. I don't know if it could have carry the amount of episodes that you're going to want to produce. And so I think that's just what I've learned is like, because I've had other ideas before first stories and then after doing this, I realized man, I'm so glad I didn't make that because it would have just, it's just not enough. You know, there's just not enough there to not enough mystery if you You're just going to need a big story to carry all the episodes, I think. And the other tip is just, I don't know, don't be scared to do it, like dipping your toe into into like water, the end you've never swam before. Like, you get in and you get a little more comfortable. And then you get in a little bit and like, each time you talk to somebody new about this, whatever the thing you're doing, the podcast is about, you start to really think to yourself, oh, I'm actually really doing this. I'm actually making this podcast, I guess. And then you talk to the number amount, you talk to them out like 10 people and you're like, Well, I guess I have to make it now. Because 10 People know that, like, I've talked to 10 people, they now expect me to make something out of this. So kind of lock yourself in, you know? Right, right. And then and then you have no choice but to make it and that's yeah, you know, mostly a good thing. I don't know if that's a helpful tip or not. But