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Jonathan Dietz54min
Speaker 100:00
should never say mentors are basically never the same because all of you go off and do amazing things and don't stick around that long. But we try and get a recap of what we think went right what we think went wrong. What how we could do better next year what you guys are going to do with this now that you've done it, you know, you've done this project, is that going to change? What are you gonna do when you go back to your school, to your home country to wherever you're going? So I guess I want to start by asking what do people think stood out the most for ew this summer? Like what's the thing that maybe you weren't expecting? Or the thing that was like if you had to tell someone one thing about this summer, what was it? Yeah, Tony.
Unknown00:42
Success.
Speaker 200:49
I don't know. I would probably just kind of just got to them. A little bit more than
Speaker 100:55
that. I totally agree. I wish we didn't want to bump you guys up too much. But like yeah, most of the time there's one project that final presentations is like it didn't work, but it looks cool. And none of you are that way this time around. It was really good. Yeah. Okay, years worked. It just exploded it worked too. Well. It threw things to fast forward to presentation. Yeah, exactly. Honestly, the fact that we only had one live demo failed, that was pretty good. What else? What else? If you had to tell people one thing about this summer that like what was the one thing that stood out? I guess like how much autonomy the students got expected. Expect it to be more
Speaker 301:30
like a class and make something that we can like take it
Unknown01:35
you expect that it's like Handy was set of instructions and be like built
Unknown01:40
for like school, but okay.
Speaker 101:43
Okay. And it was the autonomy that made that different than school. Okay, because like, we could choose? Yeah, yeah. And that was more fun. less fun. More fun. Okay, cool. All right. Cool. What else do you think you can tell friends one thing about what ECW was what else? RP? I
Speaker 402:00
think this summer there was a lot of energy like excitement like okay, we're gonna do it. Let's let's build it. How are we gonna fix this and just like excitement about building and I thought that was really nice. More than last year.
Speaker 402:16
It was everyone was just really excited about everything and there was just a lot of energy. And I think when there's that kind of energy like it spreads around an everybody else's energy
Unknown02:26
there was a critical mass of cool
Speaker 102:29
critical mass of cool that's going on the ECW quote board for sure. No, but seriously ah, a lot of yours too are also like Alright guys, you know, let's let's play some music. Let's have a good time. No, I think like Spotify was up on like, day two, because somebody was like, No, I'm gonna play all the Taylor Swift songs.
Speaker 502:47
It was great. It was like, it was like an entire album from Rihanna. Surprising to
Speaker 102:53
all the Rihanna fans here that was nice. That was music from like when I was younger what else? Yeah, call me. Says the guy. Come on. You're the one person who can make that joke.
Speaker 603:09
Because it was like, Do you know something? Okay. Okay, well, I do so it's like you don't know something. Let's help you to learn it. And also the support of other people when you have like a bad day. It's also something that in my school principal is like, not, not at present. So I'm going to back return to Mexico and I really want to change that requirement in my school about support and energy about the projects and they just popped up learning something from Folsom. Cool.
Speaker 103:48
I feel like that port Park how often do you feel like we knew what the right answer was, too. So you talked about like, you don't know something? How often did you feel like we knew the right answer? When
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we try it and
Speaker 104:05
know like how, okay, when we try So how often do you feel like we knew the right answer when you ask the question or do you think we were just making our best guess? Was it like 5050? Like we knew where we were guessing or was it like 80% New 20% guessing?
Speaker 604:21
No, I'm trusting all of you. So when you answer
Speaker 704:30
even at the end of the workshop, but anyway, so
Speaker 104:34
like mentors, actually, because this will be a great indicator. How often do you feel like you knew the answer to someone's question when they asked you 100% of the time 50% of the time, 0% of the time? Yeah, now that feels about right. Yeah. So look around the room for the students, the mentors, less. On average, the mentor is less than 50% of the time knew the right answer to your question when they ask them and that's okay. Because as much as you guys are learning here, we're learning at the same time. You will there will never be a project done in ew that I know the right way to do it from start to finish.
Speaker 705:14
I actually have a question. How many of the mentors Okay, we have your How many of you felt like you knew the right answer. Put it up there.
Speaker 105:28
sounds like a lot of times it would be like that's a great question.
Speaker 105:53
No, but seriously, the amount of times the amount of times that we would say something and we'd be like, That's a great question. I'm going to think about that. And then we'd go find another person that we're gonna do the right idea and ask them Jonathan, you don't have to worry about Jonathan a lot of times yeah, I can completely agree with one
Speaker 806:12
of the things I love about being here is knowing that it just fun but I learned a lot from trying to find the answer to people's questions. Their questions drive my learning, which I love. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 706:25
that's true for everybody. I mean, like when you find
Unknown06:29
that's a question I didn't think about.
Speaker 706:32
You'll find that when you get out it's whether you can come up with the answer as to whether you can actually ask the right question. Because we were solving a lot of questions that weren't the right questions during this entire time. How many people feel like that most of the time they were actually trying to solve the right question how many people feel like a good chunk of the time you're solving the wrong question. You understand what I'm talking about? Right? So it's cool that they give you the question, but really in life, it's finding the actual question that you should solve. That's the hard part. And that's who you'd like to hire the people that questions.
Speaker 107:17
So what else let's get back to the original let's get back to the idea. What else about this program stood out to you? If you tell people one thing about this person, alright. So this
Speaker 907:28
already said about the environment. A big part of the environment is happening to people and I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 107:40
I expected I was really happy to see that. No one was like they are actually invested into the projects that made this experience. Interesting that was unexpected. You expect people to be not caring about the projects and like not think it was interesting.
Speaker 708:03
You expected us to be judgmental. myself for the worst.
Speaker 108:10
You've been on group projects before, and they've been not fun. And you were prepared for that to be encased. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.
Speaker 208:17
So I was really glad when I was cool. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 408:21
I also think it was really cool to like get to meet people from like, all around the world and like, hear about like, their experiences and their culture and their school and kind of like, I think it was just a good experience to be able to like work with like so many different people. That's cool. Totally good point. Yeah.
Speaker 108:38
Was it for the people that were in multinational groups? How do you feel like it made the project? Easier, harder, like, was it? How was communication in those groups? Did you feel like so we talked about a lot of need, ew that we try and get people from different perspectives. People that have done like, if you look at all of your applications for this program, you'll see people that have done, you know, 500 hours of robotics and people that have done zero hours of robotics and you'll see people that have done, you know, metalworking and woodworking and you'll see some people that have only ever done stuff on a computer. And we do that on purpose. Because we're trying to get so many different perspectives and so many different people in the room for the international groups because you brought it up. Do you feel like that like that culture shift made it so that there were more ideas in the group? Do you feel like it made communication harder because the language barrier like talked about your experience with that
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so
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difficult because we're trying to talk English and
Speaker 209:48
knowing a lot of English and trying to say everything and that she knows a lot of robotics and working like, I don't know anything.
Speaker 1009:59
I don't feel like anything. So I just think that I learned a lot from the mentors and just like you kept
Unknown10:13
with all the technical terms in English,
Speaker 611:03
Even though to speak Spanish, we need to practice English. It was a fun because there was like
Unknown11:10
what do you want to do and you're
Unknown11:22
so good.
Speaker 611:25
You're like that is not hard to
Speaker 611:33
do change my mind to be open to new new ideas. New approaches new teaching project. So yes. That's really cool.
Speaker 711:44
Do you think you guys will be in touch you know via zoom or whatever like over time that yes,
Speaker 611:50
we we can we want to make a lot of friends next year. So it was
Speaker 711:56
it has some kind of a project where like you guys are going to you know, we do workshops all the time. And we do stuff over and seek and could we do something which is a we've also done remote things back with the pandemic. Could we set up something in Chihuahua that would somehow dovetail with what you're doing at sea? Yeah. I think it will be great. In fact, we've been talking with Camilla and I'm with James, so we're working on it. Okay. That'd be a fun little thing. And
Speaker 112:33
it has a telepresence project he would like you to to work on that
Speaker 712:40
the students down in Maui actually made a camera mount so that on Google, using zoom for Google, I was able to actually have the camera look around. I could control where the camera was looking in the room. That was really cool. It'd be fun to take that a step or two further. So that'd be a fun project to do. Just saying.
Speaker 113:00
I you have to say the idea that you've been talking about before though, which is that at some point you need to make. So imagine you could shake hands with a person on the other side of a zoom call. So you've got a robotic hand on your side that you shake, and they've got a robotic hand on their side that they shake and you can feel the handshake through the zoom window. Actually,
Unknown13:19
it's your hand.
Speaker 713:23
Okay, so that you can actually shake their hand
Speaker 113:30
well then try it try it better. Never you fail the first time. Exactly. But I
Speaker 713:35
think we can get that with the technology we have written. Yeah. All right. We got a robotic arm. And move. With our students standing right here looking at that screen with a class full of students actually live in a color it actually works. Yeah.
Unknown13:57
So anyway, interesting to be I can say, Yes.
Speaker 114:00
Awesome. Cool. What else about the international groups? I believe you heard from the one where it happened to be international, but two people speaking Spanish. And that was like
Speaker 914:11
for me, it was hard because I didn't speak English at the start of the workshop is that's the thing then I must be great. Proud.
Speaker 514:31
Proud, proud. Difficult.
Unknown14:35
The hardest
Speaker 914:37
part of this thing when I want to do something the team be people tell me what do you want to? I don't and I don't know what to say. And people what do you want to do and I want to connect anything and end up people. Do you know how to connect and ID and I don't know how to say
Speaker 915:04
the team. Yeah. All of the things. I know. Sure.
Speaker 915:10
I know how to connect them ideas that people have. What do you want?
Speaker 115:15
You have this knowledge inside you don't know how to get it out? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But then I have to say by the end of the project, you were you know, called out by the team is like the wiring master. Right. So so right, like, I mean, we got there but I Yeah, it's interesting to hear about the struggle is how we could do better at that. Yeah, I was gonna say, what do you feel like helped or how could we do it better?
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I must do.
Speaker 115:52
Okay, so more drawings and less work. I like that. Yeah, I like that idea. And that's
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that's our project for next thing dw, better transit.
Speaker 116:05
What else other groups of internationals can either be the international student talking or it could be the American student talking about what it was like? Yeah.
Speaker 1016:12
Okay. In my group, we were to talk about the MDR were American. So the difference between the teaching in the schools was a huge difference of what you do color was you like, also the vision of what we want to do and a lot of things so maybe that helps our project in making something that was complete the complete if not, complete, for the time, but is project that maybe we can
Unknown16:56
make more I don't know.
Unknown17:05
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 117:10
It's not the language barrier. I don't know what to say. Yeah.
Speaker 1017:14
upgrade the the project in the future. So that was the main difference. With the American ideas and Okay, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 717:27
about some of the quiet people here. Someone that would normally say something like
Speaker 117:37
that be real. What is anyone talking? And you have like a certain amount of time. Okay, interesting. How do you How did you not hear about this
Speaker 118:45
Okay, um, other thoughts? So, we've talked a little bit about the program. We've talked a little bit about the people. What about the projects with people? I'll ask two questions, and feel free to answer either of your projects that you came up with. If you could go back in time for weeks and tell that person tell your group tell you at the beginning of the summer, what would you tell them about the project? Right, maybe how to how to finish it faster, how to help them with some problems that they don't know about yet. What would you tell them or two, if you if you got to the end, would you have picked anything different? Would you have changed your project? You know, somehow would you have done something completely different about the project? What do you think
Speaker 719:31
you're saying knowing what you know now, would you have when you choose a different project?
Speaker 119:36
Yeah. Or would you go back and like tell something four weeks ago be like, work on soldering right now? You're gonna hate it later. newness? Yeah, exactly.
Unknown19:47
So tell you go phone from the beginning.
Speaker 419:52
Even like the phone from the beginning to like the shell of the car because we spent like days like cutting out the like cardboard for like to make the shell and then realize that wouldn't work
Speaker 120:11
so your question, was the cardboard a waste of time, or did it help you for when you got to the phone? Um,
Speaker 420:19
I think it was helpful to like learn that that wouldn't work, I guess. Like, cutting off all the cardboard and my drawing it out wasn't
Speaker 120:27
really helpful. Spend a lot of time on that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. What else? Great. I think we should have gotten better wired the handblock Wow. cutters. Yeah.
Unknown20:39
The hot wire cutter.
Speaker 120:44
You know, I pulled those out of a random box in my office. You almost didn't have them at all. There we go.
Unknown20:52
But you better tools.
Speaker 720:53
Design a better while hot wire cutter.
Unknown20:58
Because honestly, all of this is a battery and a wire. We
Speaker 721:00
ask the wire. Yeah. Could you think of a way of making it so you could create a profile that you can then cut? In other words, not just cut straight lines, but then cut an Arc S curve? Would that be a thing you'd like to be able to do with a high wire cutter?
Unknown21:18
Like the big one is good, but then the handheld ones.
Speaker 421:22
issue where it's like without just making so
Speaker 721:28
if you want to know what I look at other projects, you guys have a real insight to make a better tool right now. You just use these things are how would you design the better and let's do it. Yeah,
Speaker 821:40
I'd be fun project era they have computer controlled hot wire cutters to cut exactly profiles. There you go. We could do that.
Unknown21:51
Beatrice you're gonna say some
Speaker 121:58
you can even though it's helpful to live with the car for at least a little bit too much time on it. I feel like if we'd started using plastic earlier we had more time. We might have been able to make the final project better. Do you feel like you would have been as fast making the corrugated plastic if you hadn't made the cardboard already? So if the first if the first thing you worked with was corrugated plastic, would you have been able to make it as fast as you did after having done the cardboard? The first one? Not sure if anybody else in the group have comments on that? I still do think Yeah, but are you saying that you wish you would spend less time on Yeah, okay. Is what are you gonna respond?
Speaker 322:43
Specifically with the materials and like how to cut them out. We started drawing like measures pretty late if we like started like really specific drawings like earlier than that would have made the cutting like building and stuff a lot faster as the
Speaker 122:57
person with the phenomenal drawings I completely agree as well seriously if you have not seen as those drawings go have or show you some of them. But I totally agree. I totally agree. And I think that's what Ed and I were talking at some point about how difficult it was to get an idea of when everyone's project was. And it was because we realized later we had forgotten to say a rule that we did in years past, which is unless you have a drawing of what your project is supposed to look like. We won't help you. So you had to have a nice scale, you know, whatever drawing of this is what it's going to look like otherwise we wouldn't help you with any of your questions because that is something that actually really helps us understand what you need. So that's a really important part to enjoy
Speaker 723:37
those of you who hate drawing, which there are more than half of you probably do you see why we want to have that yet. You see the value of drawing something. I mean, language issues is one reason that drawing is doesn't matter the language we can see. But also it forces you to take your ideas and get them shake. Okay. And it's really very fast to do compared to using cardboard for three days. Right? Like so you can iterate on your ideas and get input from other people very quickly in that time early on when you're trying to figure it out. Trying to figure out the question you should ask why drawing is so important, and yet and it doesn't take long and yet it's like pulling teeth
Speaker 824:33
and when we talked about STEM and STEAM, there is one skill which unites all those ins drawing art, math and physics, engineering. It all connects to drawing. Yeah, huge.
Speaker 724:48
Yeah. What is it about drawing that people find? You don't have enough time to do it.
Speaker 124:53
Or like it's not worth it. You don't want to for
Speaker 724:56
those of you who would not draw? Please raise your hand and say what is it what's the feeling about it? Yeah, I draw I can't tell what I'm
Unknown25:07
drawing doesn't help.
Speaker 725:08
Do you think we could actually run our session on simple drawing like how to draw a square or
Speaker 125:19
first line first you go down, then you go right? Oh, no, wait a second. Now there you go. You joke but this is an entire lecture into WB
Speaker 725:32
there's a class actually bought multiple lectures into WB we're just focused on drawing simple shapes.
Speaker 125:37
I've sold somebody earlier this summer. Actually, the class that got me into engineering was actually a 2d drafting class. You sat there at the table that would tilt up and you had the big sheet of paper. And I had, you know, the long you know, I had the French curves and everything so that I can actually draw whatever I needed to. And that it turns out that teacher was like, Hey, I got one of the classes. It's woodshop. Do you want to join? I said, Sure. And that was my second year in high school and then from Arizona FIRST Robotics Team and now I'm here so
Speaker 726:04
I strongly recommend if you are bad at drawing, get better. There are
Speaker 126:13
I'm sorry, let's put that in the language the young kids will understand good if you have a skill as you don't
Speaker 726:22
but you know learning to do something where you can draw the most basic shapes, it does not have to be an incredibly detailed thing, a basic shape. And then you can actually get to where you can do perspective drawing. With some, it's just some techniques that you learn and it's not that hard, but even just to do a simple sketch. Practice a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 126:51
Anything else? Other projects, anything else? You'd go back you tell yourself man, I
Unknown26:54
wish I had done this. On day one.
Speaker 126:57
I wish I would change the project to be this instead. Are you happy and then don't use metal beads
Speaker 727:06
spherical objects do not are not easy to secure.
Speaker 127:11
Unless you have the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good one. Although it made her it's gonna make a story. You're gonna remember that and then he goes on the project. Yeah, Peter.
Speaker 1027:20
Do the printing can save because we don't. We can 3d print everything. And it would work. But then then we didn't print anything. I mean, yeah, we
Speaker 127:33
none of the 3d printed parts made it to the plane. Yeah, we printed
Speaker 1027:37
things. And he took a lot of time. And we wasted
Speaker 127:42
somewhat, I feel like that's kind of like the cardboard that the teams are talking about. Like it helped to help you understand some things. But also Yeah, for me, 3d printing was one of those things that like five, I don't know. 510 years ago, everybody was like, oh, it's gonna be so cool. We're gonna 3d print everything. And now I'm like, I want to use the 3d printers like my last choice. I will do everything else and then I have one team I think was I was finally like, I think you actually need to 3d print this and I was sad. about it. Right? The
Speaker 728:12
real trick is, look for the right tool exact asking the right question and just shoot. There is a tendency for people to think 3d printing because
Unknown28:20
that's the way because it's cool. But
Speaker 728:23
even at MIT, you would think we had during the pandemic, we did testing of all the students so they had to do the nose swab thing, and they had to leave a little vial, little thing. And people would come on collect it. So every room they needed to have a thing to put these in, okay, so that they would stay vertical. And so the call went out to all the makerspaces and whatnot at MIT and the engineering departments. We need to have something very 3d printed file for for making these things. We need some 1000 of them. Yeah, and we had to get them out today or tomorrow. How do they have who has 3d printers? So they were okay, the answer was from from here and from Alex. The hell you're doing 3d printing. Okay, just take a hunk of wood drill a hole, you got it? You didn't know boom, boom, boom. Like there were 17 Different like we could do it. You know this afternoon answers to doing this. Yeah. But even at MIT, the idea is, oh, we have this file that has a block with three holes in it.
Speaker 129:31
We have to 3d print that I can make that within two minutes. Yeah. So so it's really important. Yeah,
Speaker 729:37
don't don't get the most complex way of doing something that was the easy way. It's usually better. Other thoughts on projects?
Speaker 129:47
So the other one, oh, all right. Good. myself
Speaker 929:55
because, you know, making mistakes and learning from your own mistakes. That was also really fun. Sure. Yeah. Maybe I would have told myself to like waterproof everything even more.
Unknown30:09
Just like a whisper in your ear.
Speaker 730:12
But you wouldn't have listened trust me. It'll be
Speaker 930:19
didn't listen to myself. I wouldn't have to learn from Jalalabad. Electrolysis takes place on LEDs and slowly kills them. Actually, some of them died yesterday right after the presentation. So I really
Speaker 530:34
like it was gonna happen eventually, but we were super lucky.
Speaker 130:40
Electronics would go underwater, just there's a shelf life. Sometimes it's five minutes, sometimes five years, but it hasn't. It's a clock. That's awesome. So we've talked about we've talked about sort of the the people we've talked about the groups, we've talked about the projects, I want to talk about all the ways that we run this program too. So I want to talk about the staff. I want to talk about the mentors. I want to talk about Atomy and Jonathan and Elysium. Everybody else is in here who's helping this program happen. So from your perspective, and again, you can trash talk us a little bit if you want to, that's fine. But from your perspective, what would you change about how we run this program? You know, we spend a lot of time at the beginning talking about what makes a good project we spot we talked on the whiteboard, we did all the projects ideation, and then also how we helped you in the program. Like there's the ordering of the parts. There's the you know, teaching you skills, there's the helping you with problems. Is there anything from our side that you would change, so that next year, it'll be better? I genuinely asked this question. This is not me expecting all of you to say you are perfect, Chris. No, that's not what I want. I want you to come up with where we were where we could do better. And
Speaker 731:46
I'll say you can talk with us. If you don't want to work it out in public because you're, you know, I'm an asshole and
Unknown31:54
people know that so you can say,
Speaker 731:57
but like if you want you can also talk to us. Don't know that. That's open. Yeah. Now, if you can think of stuff that we can that you can suggest and you're really looking for, for ideas to a better
Unknown32:08
anything about how we run.
Speaker 132:11
Mentors are allowed to jump in on this question too. If there was something you feel like we could do better as a whole.
Speaker 832:16
I could. Please. This is not the only problem friends is another term firm called Viva works, where the students who sign up, spend like two months at home becoming Python masters before they get to the program. And then they get to the program. They do a very sophisticated self driving car, but they all build the same sophisticated self driving car. Would that be more fun? than what we did here?
Speaker 132:42
fascinate so would you rather have spent a lot of time making something more technologically advanced, but it's making the thing that we tell you to
Unknown32:53
do this way, analog scale?
Speaker 132:56
That sounds more fun. Ew, sounds more fun.
Speaker 733:00
So increase the technical sophistication and training. And so is like, Should we do that versus more autonomy, looking for imagination and whatever. So which who wants more technical? There's no wrong answer here. Like for me, I would like to actually up our technical like we should have told you about corrugated plastic earlier.
Speaker 133:23
That's our technical. Well, yeah, no, no, but I get the vibe in here. A lot of people are like, yeah, I could do something more complicated, but I want like a little bit more autonomy. And I think that that's cool. I think some it's probably also because we just had you do a project with a lot of autonomy. And you're like, Yeah, this was great. But at the same time, I agree. I agree with that. And I agree with Jonathan, I think that there's things that we can do to try and help prepare you guys more technically for projects. And
Speaker 833:49
I can just mention one other MIT question to WB that toy design with a do three structured projects, one on machines, one on electronics, one on things, graphics, and then they design their own independent projects, right.
Speaker 734:05
So they do training small projects, you don't learn to use the tools. You also learn to work in a team a little bit on small projects to begin with, you learn to workshop. So it's training both in the technology you got and just working in the team.
Speaker 134:21
So how do we feel about that? Would we use would you spend more time doing small projects that we give you to learn technologies but less time on your final project? Or I want to spend more time on my final project and less time, kind of like what we just did this summer. Give me that analog scale again, more time on projects we give you so that you learn technical skills, right or more time on your final project but screw the technical skills. I learned what I needed on the job. And what's in the middle. You know what I love? It's somewhere in the middle. Yeah. You know what I love? I love that the answers are all over. There's some people that are decidedly no and some people they're like decidedly Yes. And that's cool.
Speaker 735:02
Okay, another random question, what if we offered like, micro bit like how to work with micro bits as a seminar, you know, early on or motor control motor control in general or
Unknown35:17
like a short little one hour you know, sit with us and learn
Speaker 735:22
seminars that we run that anyone could go to? Would that be a thing that you would like to
Speaker 135:27
see? Is that during the program or before the program, optional during the program before the program, either way, well, that matters, right? Because one way they're removing project time the other way it's you have to make sure you're available in advance.
Speaker 735:41
So Phil, it looks like everyone would like to have a little bit more formal presentation. How many people would like that sort of in zooms before you got here? Yeah.
Speaker 135:54
I was like Nah, man I'm in school for I got here. Okay, so during the program, so you'd give up an hour or two of your project time to learn some skills that may be useful to your project and may not.
Speaker 736:04
But let's say we have 10 of those. Like, there's no use of equipment, there's cat. You know, there's use of 3d printers. There's
Speaker 136:14
a whole bunch of things. There's vehicles are.
Speaker 736:17
Yeah, there's electronics actual theory of electronics.
Speaker 136:21
So, okay, show me this way. How many individual hour long workshops would you be willing to give up time for and learn a skill? So like, I take like, I've got two of these things. I go to 10 of these things. I go to 15 of these things
Speaker 136:46
I'm afraid all right. Hang on. I want to get the answer to mind first, show me how many hours how many like individual skills would you want to learn? You'd be willing to give up each one that would take an hour out of your final project. That's a lot. Okay. And so this would the same apply if we did five two hour ones or 10 One hour ones you're saying that the terms of time are how many skills you want to learn skills, okay, so actually if it took more time, but gave you 10 skills, you'd be okay with that. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. I don't want to lose Julie. I had her hand up a little while ago and it was actually
Unknown37:20
I was going to say
Speaker 637:23
we in the beginning show like all the tools we have all the machines so that people were starting to see our project. They know the materials we have here and what they are able to like everything because some people maybe didn't know what a laser gun can do or whatever machine they have. Just one hour spent one hour saying we have all these things. It might be our stuff our to listen, you would help them.
Unknown37:51
I like that. I like that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 437:53
I also think like, I think ever since earlier, but like they couldn't. It's not like, necessarily like we all do it like it's because like we don't all use the same skills in all of our projects. So it could be like during this hour, we're gonna be learning about like, Arduino and then like, if you think that would be useful to your project or useful for you to know, then you could like listen to that, or not like you could just keep doing like your project. So it's like you can kind of choose how many you go to and what's good. Sure
Unknown38:20
you pick what you're interested in. You don't go to the ones you're not
Unknown38:26
read the question. This is more
Unknown38:29
if we were to
Speaker 738:32
run a couple of these on Zoom, sometimes so
Speaker 138:37
would it means like nap like after the after? The program like if we never know.
Unknown38:44
I want to know if interest be interested in and everybody else says there's some
Speaker 738:47
people interested in that if there's enough, we might do something on electronics, just the basics, or on programming, just the basic you know, like it people are interested. I'm really curious, raise your hand high. On this one because I want to count if it's worth it for us to do it.
Unknown39:04
Are we talking about this kills thing?
Unknown39:06
Oh, just whenever you have an
Speaker 139:07
interesting topic. Oh 13 people.
Speaker 739:11
Okay, well, let's, why don't we talk and if you ask for a couple of things that we could present I'd be happy to get that to happen.
Speaker 139:20
I tried making that happen. I think it's cool idea might be a good way of actually saying
Speaker 839:25
there is another Works website I made called engineering design workshop.com which has tutorials on all these different things in the science. No is your workshop. Oh,
Unknown39:36
yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 739:40
Yeah, we do have some, but I'm thinking in terms of like, it's also a way of staying connected and tying it to the projects and the questions that you actually ran into, you could address them directly, and show some technique like some code was written in a way that probably could have been designed a little bit better and made it easier to maintain and a workshop could help with that workshop. We can talk about that and compare notes and share our thoughts. Okay, let's talk about
Speaker 140:03
what other what else in the running of the program and anything else you would change Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1040:12
I think that Zoom is I personally don't like zoom. Because if you don't have a good connection or something like that, you didn't you don't understand. Yeah, so maybe some videos like on YouTube when I was working on this piece of tissue. I found the
Unknown40:32
videos that
Speaker 1040:35
like explained everything perfectly. Maybe it's in the videos can be done by I don't know the project, but maybe, yeah.
Speaker 140:51
Yeah, well, I feel like yes, but I feel like could we even also record something ahead of time that shows what we're going to do and then have that and then have a zoom so you can ask questions, because I feel like the thing about the YouTube video is you want to ask the person who made the questions, but we can do that as well. So some combination of those
Speaker 741:09
and we could also curate, as Jonathan said, there's lots of stuff online, that maybe we can do a little job of curating and give some pointers to and then we could offer the zoom and record the zoom for those that have crappy connections, you know.
Speaker 141:24
Ah, other things on how we run the program. Structures. That was the thing.
Speaker 241:33
I think there was one thing he tended to do that was
Unknown41:38
to help the health group dynamics
Speaker 241:42
like to work with each other. How would you like maybe how to actually approach role to someone when you like it, how to, you know, get patrolling mutations. The other thing is, we talked a lot about asking the right question, and how we just like we lose all the time and because we didn't know is the right decision to take. I think I was like asking so how do you get to that point of asking the right questions. That's just experience. Yeah. What's the way you can give someone that experience in real time? I think it's a great just like an invitation for stuff. Yeah.
Unknown42:12
How'd you guys like?
Speaker 242:13
How can someone give you the knowledge in one day? Out of your right question?
Speaker 142:20
The only thing that is the only thing that I Okay, so someone was asking a question earlier, how did you actually learn your sales job that I think was asking this maybe last week or something? How did you actually get to the point where you have skills and the asking, I hope has asked this question more broadly, and we can ask it to everybody now if you'd like. But the response was often I didn't actually get this skill in the classroom. I got it because I built something. I've made a project and that had me learn like all of you just did this summer I needed to learn something in order to make that work. Right. So maybe this goes back to the idea about having some technical projects at the beginning that are short, and that are also used to teach skills, and maybe that helps a little bit with the experience problem. I think the end result is just come to a second EW and you'll know more of the right questions, but like in the end, it is just doing the thing. I feel like that's what Well, I mean, the problem is, is that the problem is once you know the right answers and questions, we just say great, I'll come back as a metro because now you know, now you don't have to figure out what the right answer is right? I mean, how many people in this room have been at ECW before and are now our mentor or have been doing comparable program before? Now I mentioned like you were there as a student and now you are a mentor.
Speaker 743:35
How many people have been in something like this before?
Speaker 143:39
I mean, what like Ed, Ed W E dw, hope, hope, hope interphase interphase, Ed W and ncwc. Right, like ever, like all of the mentors in here, where they are good as mentors for a lot of reasons, but the big one is because they have been where you are now I'm doing the Italian and jester and I don't know why they're good at this because they've been where you are now. Right? A lot of times when we hire the mentors, we say we'll use you somewhat for your technical expertise. But mainly it's because you know, the frustration the students are going to experience as a group project and can help them through that process.
Speaker 844:19
I think and even MIT, I mean, if you made your electrical engineering, you take all these electrical engineering theory courses, which have very little to do with actually building stuff. Sure. And I think most students here teach themselves or from peers, the technical skills. They're not getting that from their professors course. Yes, yeah. I
Speaker 744:38
taught a class in electronics in this room. And I had a fourth year student in Electrical Engineering as a TA. And we did one project where we had light sensors on the end of two wires, two of them, okay, that could send to light. And I told him that normally you put it onto the board, and I said, let's put it on two wires so we can actually change where they were in. And I said, make sure you put hot glue, you know, over the wire so they don't short. Okay? You guys know about insulated, etc. And the ones that the people that he helped build, none of them work, and the ones that I did they all work and go on like, and I looked at there and it all looked the same. He just had them hot glue the sensors to the wires. He didn't solder them first and then put the Hopko God this is a senior in electrical engineering at MIT. It took a while to debug this but we got to like who would think anyway for her
Unknown45:47
great well sure yourself first.
Speaker 545:51
So the I was sick with I'm sorry, give me an idea to say we did icebreakers at the beginning or like these activities to like have everyone knew each other. Sure. What am I doing one maybe in the middle, to like, would like break down like that focus that ever happened with projects that have like, what do you call meeting other people? Or like maybe improving? Okay, like, how would that improve in any way? How simple how the team works are immigrants.
Speaker 146:27
Interesting. So you're saying that if we could have all the students do something with people not in their group and the middle you feel like that as a chance to improve the group afterwards?
Unknown46:39
Not necessarily with other people in the group but like
Speaker 546:43
for example, the water rockets Yeah, join for example, when activity like that in the middle of the program, as I said at the beginning, during this during it also the beginning Yeah, but also in the middle as
Unknown46:54
a kind of like a palate cleanser.
Unknown46:58
I don't know I was, I'm
Speaker 147:00
not trying to make funny. I'm actually curiously I'm genuinely curious what you tried to do. So
Speaker 547:04
just to be like, okay, you've all been working on this for like a long time. Yeah. Would maybe sit down for a second? Let everyone talk to each other during an activity where like, you're not actually working on the project. Would that help? It's
Speaker 147:24
okay. Yeah, like you want to know the next question. Okay. It's the thing you eat between two strong different types of foods. The one the one food doesn't taste. Oh, right. So like, you just take a break for a little bit. So like, we're gonna step away from our project. We're just gonna have fun. We're not going to worry about it for a little while, and then we'll dive back into our project afterwards is that what you're saying? Yeah, okay. It's also something
Speaker 747:44
where things will come up and there's cross pollination of ideas that tend to happen and just serendipity happens. If you're working on something over here and someone's working on something different and you're having lunch together just a lot of times something comes up to lead them to to question the problem that we've had here. Oh, that was a problem we had here by talking to someone about your project not. So anyway, this is actually a cool idea for encouraging
Speaker 848:14
of cross pollination and we should all work on dancing to bear
Speaker 348:21
not having to give the knowledge and he gave a short period, but it's more like having us understanding the right question is like knowledge provided whatever. Yeah. And it's just like, saying to be curious about stuff and trying to have the right questions and have like, oh, wait, this I never noticed this. Start thinking about it. So I think that it's the thing that we are trying to give Sure. Sure. What
Speaker 748:53
one thing that I was that I worry about if we get training ahead of time before you start ideating about projects. We're in some ways influencing what we are looking for what you think we are looking for in projects, or what we think are the tools you need to use and that can influence what your project would be. And so I really tried to have this be more on the entry level of technology, and broad in terms of what the project might be musical instruments as the technology but look around the room, across the board. That's one thing that I worry about it not predisposing you, like we ran programming classes, you're gonna think about making something that requires microcontrollers. So I just have that concern. Got it mentioned.
Speaker 149:44
We're about at 11 o'clock. I know we've been sitting here talking for a while and that gets hard after X number of minutes. Any last thoughts? Any other questions? Any other comments? Anything else that you guys want to make sure you say before things are done? Anybody? anybody? Anybody? Just kidding me? Yeah.
Speaker 750:01
We're trying to do this. Lisa and I are on a project and you know, Christina was here earlier, and we had all the assigned all the forms. Yeah. So there's all these things that are happening about trying to expand this kind of stuff more globally.
Unknown50:18
I'm hoping some of you people might be interested in
Unknown50:22
being soldiers in that effort.
Speaker 750:25
Because the hassle was starting something like this is you need students who were previously involved in this to be the mentors that are really the this only exists because there are student mentors just having yet another place where adults are teaching you doesn't do so a place that wants to do it for the first time, doesn't have any student mentors, because none of their students have done it before. And so we need other people to try and help get it to start. I'm kind of hoping that we could send out to the mela sometimes if we're needing some help. A lot of you are nearby, like if we do a hackathon in in Ferrara. Could you be helpful or in Barcelona, in Barcelona? Can you pop over and help with the hackathon? Because you've done hackathons before? They haven't. Okay, so
Speaker 151:14
let's say we do something crazy, like a hackathon and like Boston or something? Or
Speaker 751:18
you know, like, I don't know where the end Chihuahua, is there something that you could use and could some people maybe help out with that whether it's remotely or traveling or whatever? Is this interest. People
Speaker 151:30
like to hear when stuff is happening where they might be able to be helpful? You know, you can you can click, you can click, you can click on subscribe later if you have not.
Speaker 751:40
Anyway, consider it. You know, we might you might see some emails coming out once in a while about, oh, we're going to Kazakhstan. Can you can you be helpful
Speaker 151:50
jokes that might happen? Yeah. Any other thoughts? Any other closing thoughts?
Unknown51:54
Anything else? Anything else people want to say? I don't hear
Speaker 751:56
anything severe. You've been quiet. And of the people in this room who will have experienced more cultures in the world? I think you're number one. I'm curious. Just given that you've had experience in so many places. How any comments about this, and how it might be in those cultures.
Unknown52:22
And you're asking about running this in other places,
Speaker 752:24
just your experience here and think of yourself in Kazakhstan, in Armenia wherever. Could you see this happening? What's What's the barrier? Fair, people, schools, contests. Sure. I mean, do you so do you think this so this isn't too crazy or is it crazy?
Speaker 352:53
Really? I think it can be really interesting. I think a lot of people buy water from just one school
Speaker 1053:04
three schools. I think a lot of people like usually, because it's not like they all go to one school to do a debate competition or a
Speaker 353:15
hackathon. So yeah, I think a lot of people come to one school from other schools, not just from that. So yeah, a lot of people
Unknown53:28
well, if you have ideas for trying to do this
Speaker 753:33
where you're going back, you can get help. All right.
Speaker 753:44
Ice cream. Well, what are we doing today? I don't know. Why. Okay.
Speaker 753:48
We are going to go I'll get some ice cream or something. I will bring it back. You'll have ice cream.
Speaker 753:56
We have one school age generous. I will go get high school.
Unknown54:03
It stands with you.
Speaker 154:05
Okay. All right. Any other last comments? You really any other last comments? I'll say the same thing. I sent an email earlier. This program wouldn't be here without you guys. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming up with weird ideas and being weird people. It makes it a lot more fun for all of us. And I hope to see you again thanks, everybody.
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