Yeah, I have to run out and pull it out I know exactly where it is but it takes me 30 seconds to tuned up if you look at his books. He has one entire book on the Toku phenomena, where he he discusses this type of process you will also read about it in the second chapter of shantideva Guide to the Bodhisattvas Way of Life the body chariots avatar aware, you know, when I first read that thing. Remember, if you remember those verses may be a bridge for those who are on the IB the medicine, may I be a book. I said oh that's lovely What a nice poem. Oh, how sweet. And then I realized later, it's not poetic, he's actually being quite literal, you know, may I be that bridge May I be that whatever. And so, Let me share a story with you. Well actually I'll end with the story. The other place I would go to to work with this is a deep understanding and study of the teachings on emptiness because what we need to do is empty out our physical allistic materialistic view so these proclamations are regulatory of our unconscious defaults into physical allistic reductionist materialistic views, and again that's not our fault. It's the way we were raised in the cult of scientific materialism. We're raised in this in this perverse cult. And it's deep in our system and so that's why when we first hear this. It goes against the tide of everything we've been trained and. So, the way to really kind of wrap your mind is to blow your mind by studying the teachings on emptiness, you know, and so just ever so briefly here again I keep referring to Campbell Rich's book progressive stages of meditation on emptiness just because it's so short. And I wouldn't say accessible but pithy. And so in his five stages right. The second stage is going from the shabaka, which is still materialistic, they still assert dharmas kind of atomistic nature, the colossal transformation from the first days to the second stage from trop shabaka to CIT democra. This is an enormous shift. This is where you go basically from one extreme to the other. You go from a physical only world which is the way we are trained to a mind only that's literally the mantra. And so that's where you start. And then what you do is then you refine what well what exactly is this mind, because otherwise what happens then Chitta mantra becomes another form of reductionism everything's just mind. Well, yes and no. I mean, what kind of mind are you talking about, and so then you have the other three stages that refine that you know so tantric image amika prasangika jamocha and then shentong by jamocha, but all come on afterwards to help you understand this thing called mind. And so the only way you know it's like the guardian or I think it was the guardian of the king of emptiness one said you know when you understand emptiness, anything is possible. If you don't understand emptiness, nothing is possible. So what this comes up, what this reveals and it did the same thing for me. It revealed my limitations of my understanding of emptiness, and my reductionist views, and so it took me a long time, you know, to shape shift and this also if you're a tantric practitioner. You studied duck now you study pure perception threefold purities the sacred world. So we're talking about a pretty colossal transformation, a revolution in both not knowing and being that shifts us into this, you know this radically elevated view so we're basically replacing a reductionist view with an elevation view, you know, instead of reducing everything to frisky dirt. My friend Ken Wilber talks about it I love that phrase, reducing everything to frisky dirt, you elevate everything into divine heart, mind, spirit is beautiful. But we're not raised that way you know we haven't been brought up in that cult so to speak that tradition that way. That's what constitutes the path. So I'll leave you with one last thing and then set you out for you to work on this on your own, so I asked these exact same questions I asked in public, to pull up OBJ ones. I'll never forget it, because I was just like you I just been reading this stuff and it's like, why. And so I asked him, he said, which I I cannot wrap my mind around this this is so out there it is just like are you kidding me and and i said i can you help me. And he said something and I'm just gonna leave it at this I will not run commentary on it. He says something like, in fact not something he said this. Oh, actually I asked the question, here's what here's what I said Robert J. How do I know how do I know that this called. This is called diversified nirmanakaya it technically that's what this is. In the four types of mnemonic hyah Toku. This is called variegated or diversified nirmanakaya, that's the technical term for this in that tradition. So I said, Remember che said how do you know if one of these diversified variegated nirmanakaya is actually appears to you. Right. And this is what he said. He said, Well, Andrew. You said it's like this. He said it's like well you know you cross over this bridge, and you turn around and the bridge is no longer there.