🐸 Avoiding Mold_Mildew, Prepping for Summer, and Super Sweet Crosses with OKCalyxx

9:46AM Jan 29, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

OK Calyx

Keywords:

frog noise

AC Infinity

natural farming

breeding projects

supplemental lighting

low stress training

JLF fertilizer

organic matter

fall preparation

no till areas

composting

IMO3

fems

blueberry muffins

peach do see

Greetings cultivators worldwide. Jordan River here back with more grow cast hot off the presses. Today we have fan favorite OK, call x back on the show. He's a natural farmer. He's a breeder. He is a passionate cannabis cultivator and medicinal patient advocate. We love ok. Call X. And today he's talking about preparing for summer, preparing into fall, talking about over winter, IMO, creation, dealing with climate, a lot of his new breeding work. It's a really good episode. Covers a lot of territory. Now there is some frog noise in the first part. Don't worry, the frogs do quiet down. I didn't know there were going to be frogs. And then, okay, kellyx was hanging out in his garden. So don't worry, the frog noise does die down a few minutes in we appreciate Okay, call it's taking the time to hang out with us from the middle of his farm and in the middle of his frog farm. I know you're gonna love today's episode before we jump into it, though. Shout out to AC infinity. AC infinity.com. Code, growcast, one five, to get your savings and keep the lights on here at growcast, we appreciate your support, and we love AC infinity. They make the best grow tents around extra thick poles. They've got nice, durable, thick siding now they have the new side ports. People have been asking for those in AC infinity lists, and plus, they've got everything else you need to grow. They've got lights and pots and fans, and they're oscillating fans, the cloud Ray system. Check out their humidifiers, the cloud Forge. How nice is your humidifier? Maybe it's time to replace that. The cloud rays are my favorite oscillators on the market. And of course, their cloud Line series. What they got it all started with all those years ago, when we were partners with AC infinity, all they made were those inline fans, and they're the best in the game. So shout out to the entire AC infinity suite. They've got everything you need to get growing from fans to tents to lights. Code growcast One five works at AC infinity.com. You support us, and you're getting some badass, durable grow gear while you're doing it. So thank you to all you listeners using code growcast One five, and thank you to AC infinity. Okay, let's get into it with Okay, calyx, thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners. You are now listening to growcast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today. Before we get started, as always, I urge you to share this show. Turn this show on to somebody. Turn someone on to growing the best thing you can do. Send this episode out to a friend. I really appreciate you guys spreading the show. And see everything we're doing at growcast podcast.com/action, there. You'll see the classes and the seeds and the membership and all the fun stuff. Speaking of fun stuff, we've got a fan favorite back on the line, straight from Northeastern Oklahoma. You know him. You love him. Okay, callux is back on the show. What's up? Alex, how are you doing? Man, what's

up? Jordan, doing that. Doing good. Enjoying a nice, cool night outside. Nice.

Yeah, I hear that. I hear the frogs in the background. It sounds peaceful. Sounds serene.

That's so good. My neighbor's yard, that one going right now.

I like it sets the tone, nice and relaxing. Listen, man, we love talking with Okay, callax. Follow him on Instagram. He's got great Instagram content. You are a natural farming enthusiast, a Jad am specialist. I would say, I know you probably don't like the word expert, but you are working very hard in the field, and I know that you're constantly learning. Before we get into everything we're going to talk about today, we're going to get into all sorts of stuff. All sorts of stuff. You guys, climate control, humidity, heat, preparing for fall, a bunch of stuff. But before that, what have you been up to? Man, what projects have you been working on? What's been going on in your world

right now? I've got a lot of big, pretty ladies growing outside. I have our year and my peach do cross the Bluetooth going, she has officially passed my cherry on a grande, which is chimera, two across the very cherry for the tallest plant outside right now. Man, she is beasting out. She's huge. Oh, I love that. So that I'm looking at that one. Y'all got a couple cherry on the ground. Days back there got two blueberry muffins on the end. The blueberry muffins. You know, some of y'all who grow blueberry muffins know that there's a purple Pheno and a green Pheno, or a white Pheno, as they call it, but one of the one of them turns real purple, and the other one does not turn real purple. But the one that's real purple does not smell as good and fruity and blueberry as the just green variety also. So that's some deep tracks with blueberry muffin from Humboldt Seed Company. Humboldt Seed Company, yeah. So I've got those, and I've got my very cherry across the Bluetooth. I've got a nine kings, a Daily Grape. I've got a Margo Gushers. Got a few fun things out there. A lot of these. Almost every one of these are in a breeding project somewhere around here in the Tulsa area. I have a just a kind of a home growers Co Op of about five guys, got a couple of growers, two breeders, and one guy that can just got the hookups with really good genetics. And we'll talk about those guys here in a bit, but I've been working with those guys. Man, traveling from BROKEN ARROW to Biggs beat us and pulpa to Tulsa, taking plants back and forth. Somebody's reversing them, somebody's growing them, somebody's providing the genetics. I'm checking everything constantly see if we're doing it right. Man, we're having a good time. I'm creating a bunch of fems right now, is what we're doing. Ooh, yeah, it's gonna be fun. And actually, the guys that I'm working with are at kid Mac. He's a guy I've been providing a lot of good genetics, been a lot of fun. And then at Fat bearded underscore pothead, he's one of the growers. He's got a he's got a lot of my plants, my crosses, and he has a reversed peach dosey cross, the Bluetooth. We've already, I've already grown that sucker out a bunch of times. Oh, damn. And I gave him one that I like at ganja farmer genetics. He did the reversal on a couple of these plants for me. And then I took these. I took the reverses to at Fat beard pothead. And the other guy is at Trey, the grower. He's another grower. Oh, you're on a Carmelita. And, yeah, I posted some of his stuff, Carmelita and fried strawberries. They're getting crossed with the Gushers. And all of these have been growing out for probably more than a year now. I mean, we we've turned them into rosin, we smoked the flowers. We've grown them inside. We've grown them outside. And I'm like, now is the time to to do it, because these are really, really good plants, and you can see them on my Oklahoma, okay, couch genetics page. They are just fire, frosty, beautiful, great Terps. They've been chosen. They've been bred. You know what I'm saying? They they're proven, if you will, through experience. We have tried them in many ways, so they're really going to be good. That's That's what I'm excited about. I really appreciate all those guys. I called out. They've been working hard and listening and learning, and I'm learning from them, and we're just trying to make something fun happen. And it's really cool to get to just drive around see these guys houses on Fridays, usually I go around for about three hours, checking on everything we're looking at stuff, smoke couple balls and go to the next house. Damn,

that's crazy, man. You got a whole little team going. I love to see that expanding, expanding the genetics. I really am flattered that you're working with some of our stuff that peach do see came out of our community. Actually, the peach pie male, the original peach pie male that started it all, was selected by ryzo Rich. We called it the dumpster cut, because he literally pulled it out of the trash. It was being thrown away. This gorgeous male was being thrown away by a really great hash maker, a guy named the hash critic. And he didn't have any use for a male, so he was tossing it. And Rich was like, hold on a second. He literally pulled it out the trash bag. We call it the dumpster cut. And that started everything. And then a member took that and crossed it to do. Si, do si do to make peach. Do see, shout out to Old Bay. Was the, was the breeder who did that in the community. And now here you are working with the peach. Do see, that's really cool. We're very, very flattered. But I got to ask you a little mini breeder feature. Since we're on this subject, how is that Gushers? What is that gushers like? How does it express, what does it taste and smell like? Arno, but know more about this, gushers that you're working with. Okay,

so the gushers was a cut that came from Kid Mac at kid Mac. And let's see the gushers is. Let me think here, the gushers is the risk cookie fam genetics, cookie that says from cookie fan X and it's gelato. Yeah, gelato number 41 cross to triangle. Kush, Oh, I love triangle. I do too. I My TK lb, my blueberry breath, My nag breath, all these lemon breaths, this whole breath line. I did. I used a big triangle Kush. It was from Brandon Russ. The the name is huge. It's t, k cross 2t, K, cross 2n, l5, haze cross to lime, one, great soda, I think is the name of it. He didn't even name it. He just wrote this big lineage out. But it's, it's loaded with this heavy cush. And then I crossed it to a to a plant called Lady breath, from family tree seeds, and it just has all kinds of cushions in it, all kinds of OG Kush breath mendos. It's got a citrus farmer in there, but it's really super duper heavy Kush. But that cush is really, really a delicious taste, and I use that I've grown a lot of things out. And my blueberry breath, that everybody likes is real cushy and sweet blueberry on the end, that's typically how they would describe it. So this, uh, this, um, gushers gelato, number 41 across the triangle, Kush, it's a big plant. I've grown it indoors and outdoors. Last time I grew it was outdoors. This early spring I had, I timed it to where I had about six plants. I flowered out indoors for two weeks, and then I put them outside for about six or seven weeks and let them finish out because, you know, wasn't enough daylight. Still, I was able to do it. And gushers was one of them. It is on my okay couch genetics page. Go look at it. Super duper colorful. Oranges, yellows, purples, uh, highlighted greens, like a neon. Green on the flower itself, on the Brax, and it tastes and smells just like hard candy, grape, grape hard candies, really grapey, really sugary side of the fruity spectrum, and it gets big, it gets frosty, and that is getting crossed to a Carmelita. And Carmelitas from exotic genetics. It's a grease monkey crossing Creme de mint. This Carmelita, to me, tastes 100% garlic. Just that straight up, hard, crushed garlic. When you smell it on the flower rosin, it's garlic when you smoke it through the puff coat, it's garlic when you hit it in the in the pipe, it's garlic. It's just wonderful. And I love it. It's just a really, really garlic. There's nothing else to it to me. Now, at the at tray, the grower, is the guy growing that Carmelita out, and he goes and describes it a lot, but he's also got the fried strawberries that we're going to cross with the with the Gushers. And fried strawberries is bloom seed co it's straw glove across the apple fritter. It's lumpies Cut. And it is, it is what Strawberry Pop, tart, creamy kind of a thing. It's a little bit of funky gas on the end, but definitely a strawberry smell to it. So that's what's going on. There's a lot of stuff, man. Gushers is good.

I know it sounds like you have, you really have a stable of impressive genetics at this point. Man, and all that triangle cushion there. It's funny. We were talking about the the TK lotto, which is a triangle cush gelato, two lineages that you're working with, and what that lens. So I love to see more triangle Kush out there. It's funny that you bring that one up. And coming from Brandon rust, very, very interesting. Coming full circle here, playing around, yep, man, really, really cool. We love your breeding work. And keep us up to date. Everybody again, okay, calyx and Okay. Calyx genetics, two Instagram pages to follow for sure. Hey, man, let's get into this, though. Let's get into some gardening. You are the, I would consider you the natural farming specialist. You're an outdoor and an indoor grower, but you deal with the elements. When you're doing what you do, which is outdoor veggie farming, outdoor cannabis farming, growing flowers, plants of all types, you're dealing with the elements. And in Oklahoma, you have to deal with some of the harshest elements, rapid changes in weather, hail, storms, tornadoes. I guess there's no way to stop a tornado if it's coming through your garden. What we can prepare for the upcoming seasons? You know, we're entering summer here. It's gonna get hot across a lot of the country. It's gonna get humid across a lot of the country, and people struggle with these issues. Man, do you have any advice for outdoor gardeners who are preparing for this hot, muggy summer.

Yeah, so I've grown outside for the, oh, probably the last eight ish years, eight, maybe nine years. See where the gorilla grows, and then 2018 it became legal and had backyard plants every time. I think one of the things that most of the guys don't get when they first start to grow outside is, um, the time the sunrise, the sunset, how much light there is, how much darkness there is. A lot of people feel like, when that sun is shining bright, it's warm outside, it's like, well, I'm gonna get my plants out here, and we're going to get them big and all that. And then, you know, mid March starts to do that to you, then April really starts to feel good, but there's still too much darkness in the skies. And what happens to all these guys is they start asking me why the plants are already starting to flower in April or May, and it's because there's not enough light. There's too much darkness, and it triggers those plants in the flowers. So one thing that I'm always doing in preparation for September, late August, September, when you know you really kind of want it to flower is I'm giving it supplemental lighting. In Oklahoma, we always have some wind blow through, a little storm come through, and then the lights shine. You know, the sun's bright, but then it gets dark again, and a dark day will trigger your plants in the flower. I mean, you gotta if you don't want your plants re vegging, and I don't, I can't stand re veggies anymore. There's no need for outside revenge at all, because it just sets you back months. You have to start all over. So I don't want revenge. So in preparation for September, for me to have some big, healthy plants that have been in veg the whole time. Haven't had to be stressed and go through Revenge of any kind for them to be as healthy as they can. I don't want any revenge, so I give them supplemental lighting all the way in to the to the end of June and probably into July, probably after the fourth of July. I'll quit the

outdoors. You have some flood lights out there on extension cords.

That's right, that's right, flood lights all the way out there. And I'll leave them on until about two o'clock in the morning. And just to make sure, just to make sure that they don't trigger in the flower, I don't want them in fire at all, so, but that's something you got to watch out for, because all of a sudden you'll see your plants, man, they're like, man, they're not growing anymore. Because what will happen is you'll have. One day of darkness, a whole night of darkness, and then you see you've got your 12 hours of darkness, and it's going to trigger that plant. And what will happen is, in the very next day, you'll have a bright, sunshiny day, all day long, sun's out until 830 at night. You know that wants to switch it out of flower. This is not going to be enough darkness to hold it in fire the next day. And you'll just see your plants stunted for a month, they won't do anything, you know, or you might see them start to start to pistol out, and then start to try to re veg, and they come out with that single Brack leaf and all that mess. So flood lights. Get yourself some supplemental lighting. Let your plants be totally at peak veg perfection when they are really ready to switch them to flower, when that sun drops in that sky, you know, that's so supplemental lighting. That's avoid that,

avoid that, re veg.

And so the next thing that I start to do is I start to prepare my lower branches for clones. I don't always keep clones, but when I'm breeding, if I've got a good plant, which I do out there, I've got quite a few, like these gushers and that we talked about these other plants that we've been going for a year now that I'm going to keep these things going, and these are the only ones I have. You know, a couple of breeders might have a few of these, but I'm the guy that kind of has this local hub of the things that we're working with. So what I'm doing is I'm looking at my lower branches, because the way I grow all my plants kind of together. I create this big, massive top of beautiful top sticking out, and then down in the middle, everything is cleared out, and below, everything is cleared out. That's during flower. But right now, I'm just letting my plants get big and bushy and veggie, just trying to bend them out. You know, I don't let them just grow straight up. I like to pull them sideways. I don't like to top my plants, either from seed, I like to let them just grow big mirror stems, and then I will pull that mirror stem top way down, close to the ground, and then all those branches start to just grow straight up, and it creates this massive bush of tops. That's my end goal that I do for my plants. So what I'm doing right now, though, is I'm looking at my lower branches, because I need to clone these plants eventually, you know, probably first week that I realized, Oh, we're in flower. I'm going to start trying to get clones off of them. But I'm looking at the lower ones, and I'm keeping them totally cleaned off, except, like, the top maybe six fan leaves or top sugar leaves and up nice, because I want those for my clones and and I'm going to remove those when we go into flowers. I want that bottom all cleared off. So I'm prepping my lowers for clones right now. I'm watching those. I'm not going to keep all of them, if I you know, if I just want, like five clones from each plant, not keeping every lower there is, but I am going to keep a few of those. I'll clean the rest of those off. Allow that energy to continue to go other places in the plant. I also will start to clean the middle out. Leave the tops man, leave about six inches of the branch from the top and about six inches to seven inches down, or, depending on if you got a big, stretchy plant, you know, go about four nodes down, and then basically everything under that, I strip all the way off, and it will be totally hollow with inside of my plants, because September comes, and if you've got big, thick, bushy plants, they will hold so much moisture just in the environment, inside that big Bucha area, you know, the leaves don't even have to be super wet. It just creates a damp, moist environment in that real humid dead air, just sitting there and wanting to rot everything and so keep the insides cleaned out. That's what I do. Strip those lollipop them up really well, and you're not losing bud. You are saving bud. Is what you're doing. Yeah, you're actually gaining

but you're 100% right. And this is something that's come up on the show. We have not talked about it in a while, which is people are generally too conservative with their bottom pruning. They're scared they're going to take too much from the plant. They're going to hurt the plant. To hurt the plant by stripping it. And in reality, doing anything on that bottom pruning is a good idea, right? Like you're saying, You're opening up that airflow, you're eliminating those growth sites that are just going to end up being larpy Anyways, and you're taking all that energy and putting it towards the top buds, where the majority of the weight is. But back to, you know, not being liberal enough with the cutting is, I would say 50% to 66% like you said, just leave a little bit at the top. It seems like you're if you're a first time grower and someone shows you how to do this, you're like, What the fuck seems like you're killing your plant. But that's really the best way to clean up that bushiness, open up that airflow and maximize your yields. Some people say, like two thirds of the bottom of the plant stripped, right? And it seems like too much. But don't be scared to take a lot when you're bottom pruning just before flower. That's

right, multiple reasons too, like you're saying, you know, another one those inners aren't going to get are just aren't going to get big. And as we all know, experienced before the those lowers to mids on the branch when they dry out. Eventually, there's big as your finger now, and you're like, Okay, that was a waste, and you should have just stripped it off from the beginning. It's not going to give you any medicinal return for the cost it takes on that plant to grow that little bud out down in the middle, you know, just rip that thing off, because it's not going to give you enough medicine for what it's. Trying to pull from the plant, so clean them all out for the health of the plant, to create a better environment and flow down in there, and for the plants, also push its energy out to those heavy Colas on the top, those are going to have much more medicine on them. They're going to be bigger and fatter. They're going to dry up and be good nugs that you can show your friends Exactly.

And I still find myself finishing up flour and being like, you know, I probably should have gone a little more aggressive with the pruning, like I still after years of growing. So it's definitely an interesting thing. But with the humidity, you nailed it. When those fan leaves are laying on top of each other, it's creating a pocket of moisture that is perfect for mold and mildew to grow. That's how you come out, and then suddenly there's just powdery mildew all over your plants, and it's because there wasn't enough air flow through. So very, very important to open up that air.

So, yeah, so continuing with the airflow idea, what I do is I have a ton of bamboo sticks that I use, and one of the reasons that I pull that meristem straight over and bend my plants over is for the very reason we're talking about is to create more flow, like, if you have a hotel spot, like I do, it's about, Oh say, 12 feet long by six feet wide, or something like that. I've got about seven or eight plants in there, and they're going to be humongous whenever the end of July comes around. And so I take bamboos and push them in at about a 45 degree angle, you know, something like that, or, sorry, not a 45 but more like a quote, to be around 75 or something, and just pull that plant out really hard and really bend it over and let the let those lateral branches get the sun, and that way you're going to have, you know, six or seven big branches of the tops come up instead of the mayor stem fighting for it all, and you get, for me, I get more return that way. I get more big tops on the very end. I'll lollipop everything off. But it also creates good airflow. It pulls everybody apart and it lets it lets you get more cannabis and way more airflow that way. I

want to hear from the audience, because that's a low stress training technique, which is a great way to train out your plants, but I gotta say, I usually see it indoor more than outdoor. It's cool that you're sticking stakes down into your bed and using low stress training outside, but I want to hear the listeners, if you're a low stress trainer outside, let me know. That's really cool, man, and that low stress training is dope, because it because of what is indicated in the name. The growth rates don't slow down at all. It doesn't mind being bent over something high stress, like super cropping or topping. It kind of does shock the plant a little bit. You'll see it stop growing as vigorously. You'll see it start to want more sulfur as you stress the plant. And I am a topper myself, don't get me wrong, but I think low stress training, if you're really, really good at it, I feel like it's a little bit more of an art, and I think it might be the best way to train your plants, because you never really slow down due to stress. Yeah,

low stress training is death to me, is definitely just a better way than that then really just getting after him. And you, like you said, you can totally do it, and she'll, she will respond. But my goal is to have the biggest, bushiest, greenest outside plants I possibly can and so and I'm not slowing them down one bit by just putting a little bend on them and curbing them, stuff like that. Isn't there's no stress whatsoever. It's just bending them over and giving them more sun down deep. So that's the best way. Is low stresses for me, but each to his own,

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So, man, often when people get into organics, they grow in the summer, they they kind of, they make a few inputs, and they use them, and then it's like, okay, falls here. It's cold outside. I can't do anything anymore. That's kind of what it feels like, you know? So like, oh, it's not sunshine anymore. So organics is over. You know, the land is barren. There's hardly anything growing. There's no leaves. Everything's dead, right? It's like, Yeah, nothing to do. But that's totally wrong. There's actually more to be done in the fall, because the fall is the prep work for the spring and the summer. And you want more than you need. You don't want to run up short with compost. You don't want to run up short with a bucket of JLF. And you're like, dang it, I gotta go buy new now, because I didn't make enough JLF this fall, you know, something like that. So thinking about fall preparation, the first thing I always think about is the garden areas, my no till areas of whether I'm growing vegetables or cannabis, those places are the places I think about, even right now, I'm thinking about them, and we'll talk about a few things I'm doing, but I'm thinking about the fertility of my garden, because right now, as my plants are growing, as they're producing food and fruits and vegetables, they are sucking nutrients out of the ground. And really, when you look at your garden, you when you see your plants above ground, you're seeing your nutrients that was below ground. Now that's what it is. It's up there in those plants, and it's not in your ground anymore. And it won't be when you take vegetables out and you eat them. It now goes in your body. But you can help your garden by not pulling leaves and throwing them in the trash, always putting your foliage back on to your onto the ground just below the plants, just let it fall like nature would. Don't take out any nutrients, because the plants are already pulling out lots of nutrients. So with that in mind, always put defoliation back down on the ground. Also, you know, you're going to need to replace that nutrient somehow. And so you're going to need to keep those plants that were growing there, you know, to keep them, chop them up and put them right back down on the ground. In the Jadam world, that's called your base fertilizer. But then you've also got to be thinking about you need even more nutrient in there, because you're putting the base fertilizer down, which is the nutrient that you can see you're going to in the plants, you're going to actually put the plants on the ground, and that nutrient will go back, but you've eaten some fruits and vegetables out of there, and so it's actually lacking more nutrient than it started with. So you need to add additional fertilizers. And in my world, I use JLF, you don't include fertilizer and JMS, you don't microbial solutions. I can use other stuff. I can use whatever I want, but I use that as additional fertilizer constantly pouring JLF onto my no till spots, and that's what I use to feed all of my all everything I grow, I use JLF. So you want to be making JLF during the fall, even right now, you won't always be making JLF, but in the fall you definitely want to be making it because you need it to sit for months to get that nutrient down into the liquid. Somebody might not know what JLF is. It is a liquid fertilizer that you make from mother nature around your home area. You're going to pull up grass and leaves your food, scraps, vegetables, plants, anything that has nutritional value. You can put into a JLF. You can add some leaf mold, which is just dirt around your yard, dried leaves and junk, throw it in there to get some microbes into the bucket, and all of that together eventually creates a liquid that has fertilizer that you can water your plants with, and it's a totally free fertilizer. So that's what you're making. When you make your JLF, you're making fertilizer, and you want to pour that JLF into your garden before next fall, before next spring, when you start to grow right? You got to get your base fertilizer down. And then you need even more nutrient poured into it so that it's prepped and ready to go again. And it starts at least where it did last year, and hopefully even better, as a garden with nutritional value and all the organic matter and all that. Then it was before,

even before, get a jump start on that well, because it's going to take so long. So long that JLF and I know that it does. It goes quicker in heat, but that doesn't mean you can't still do it over winter and get that huge head start. Oh

yeah, go ahead and do it in the winter. It'll still work. It still it'll even freeze up. My jlfs in Oklahoma will freeze in outside buckets, and it'll thaw out and you put a handful of fresh greens in there, and it'll fire right back up. Immediately. Fires

it back up. Somebody was asking about that. Something was that. Someone was asking about frozen JLF, and I remember you saying that it'll thaw out just fine. You know,

another thing I'm doing right now is when I mow grass, or my neighbors mow their grass, or bag up some leaf, or stuff like that. I get bags of grass. Well, mug grass is just the best thing. I love mug grass for composting, for any just top covers, all kinds of stuff. But one thing you can do with grass that I love to do is put it in a plastic bag and let it just sit over summer and it'll rot down into some mucky kind of clumpy stuff. You. But it is very high nutritional value for fertilizer, you know, good green grass. I'll put it in a green I'll put a plastic bag. Often, I'll throw IMO two in there, or I'll put Bokashi in there. Just mix it all up, not wet, not water, just raw, IMO two, and just mix it all in there. And, man, you open it up towards the end of summer, and it's just covered in white fungus material, bacteria, mold, fungus. And it's just a great jump start. It's a bag of IMO that you're going to put on your garden in the fall, and it's going to just start chowing down all the organic matter you're going to pile in there. That's one good thing to do with those bags of leaves. You see people have or, you know, another thing is talking to your neighbors. Yeah, I'm going to talk about this one for a second. I saw in my neighborhood a guy, and he had a big trailer, he had a bunch of mowers on it, and all this. And like, Well, clearly he mows yards for, you know, business. So anyway, I talked to him, and long story short, he's now mowing my yard, but also he's bringing me all of his mowed grass, and his his Instagram is at clean clippings. He's here in the in the Tulsa area. Actually lives right here, close to me, but that was a score, because he doesn't have to take it to the dump, which is for him, is is by weight. And so it frees up a lot of poundage of just bio waste, and he brings it out here to my house, so probably once or twice a week now. Man, I do all kinds of stuff with that. Man, it's just wonderful to have fresh grass, high nitrogen, like that. So another person at homesteading homie, her name is Natalie. She looked me up on Instagram, saw videos, texted me and said, or messaged me and said, Hey, I've got a homestead out here, and you're always welcome to come out here. And I was like, Oh, well, that's cool. It's like, she probably lives in Alaska or something like that. She ends up living six miles from my house. I could not believe it. And so I go out there and she has turkeys, quails, chickens, rabbits, goats, llamas, sheep, everything. And I now have bags of quail manure, chicken manure, sheet manure, llama manure, and it's all just sitting in my backyard, just breaking down. And that'll also be put on in the fall. Another neighbor, she has chickens, and she's like, giving me endless supply chicken manure, just tons of people, yeah. How do you return

the favor here? Man, do you return the favor with some bamboo IMO, sticks? I mean, always,

oh yes, always take bags of IMO, three Bucha labs, you know, I just take them a box full. Say, here you go.

Yeah, I was actually ribbon yoga. That's a good point. That is a good gift if you come with the labs. That's actually great for the livestock. But damn having neighbors like those. Hey, I need some quail eggs. Hook me up with some. That's fucking, that's dope, dude. That's dope.

Yeah, man, it's all free, dude. And, you know, it gets rid of it, gets it off of their farm, because it's too much. You can have a big waste pile and they live on and see limit. So they can't have to be careful with what they're doing. So it's just a great way to share the fertilizer that is, you know, that's, that's fertilizer. That's what it is. That's what we're needing, that's what we're buying in the or what you're buying in the store. But it's straight from Mother Nature. It's totally free. It won't cost you anything. My whole mindset is, don't spend anything. Don't spend anything. I had to spend money on lights to grow inside. I had to spend some money on pots. Those are those one time expenses, though, they get you going, yep, but those returning costs, like dirt, nutrients, genetics, things like that, you don't have to pay for that anymore. You can make that stuff all on your own book.

Yes, that's why I love educators like you out there teaching people how to do this, how to save so much money go down this path, people like ryzo Rich, who are breeders, who are willing to teach people how to breed, even if you want to go deep with it, right? And pay for like, a class, that one class is going to save you 1000s and 1000s of dollars, because it's going to teach you how to make seeds for the rest of your life, or how to make fertilizers from your plant waste for the rest of your life. It's the classic Teach a man to fish. And I you know, that's the thing, Alex. Not everybody's going to be as into it as in depth, right? But for the people that are, oh, my God, you are a savior to those people, because they want to learn this. They want to learn every little bit, and they want to get just as into it as as you do. They want to nerd out. Man, they want to nerd out. That's right.

I think one of the things, the ways that I'm a high anxiety person, and you know, anxiety makes you think about the future a lot, and it's actually an actual gift and a blessing. High anxiety, if it can be used correctly, also it can destroy your life through worry and depression and all that stuff. But if you learn to control your anxiety, you can kind of see what's coming in the future. And I can tell you right now, there's that potential of people who are interested in it right now, you will be soon enough whenever you have to start growing your own food. And so when it hits the fan and things get bad, we will revert to these natural methods and ways. And you know, I don't even have enough ability. I don't have enough land right now at my home to grow enough food for my family for a year. You know, I can supplement throughout the year, canning things and drying things, but there's no way right now. I. Even grow enough food for my for my seven person family, I can only imagine there's plenty of people out there that don't have any knowledge of anything, of how to grow anything you know, like this. This knowledge is going to be necessary. It's

true, man, it's crazy how far you have to go to make it, like, really, fully sustainable, right? Like, I love that people are taking the steps that they can. But like you said, if you had to go into full production to feed your family, you would have to expand your operation. It's crazy. It really is, and that's why I respect, like you were talking about the homesteader neighbors earlier, that's why I respect those homesteaders, who they go and they get the livestock and they go all out. I just that just doesn't fit into my lifestyle, at least right now. But boy, would I love to do that one day.

Yeah, we've got land out in Tahlequah. The one day we'll probably be on and it's a, it's lots and lots of acreage. I mean, it has a huge pond, lots of trees, big open fields. I would just, I would grow the heck out of that place. Eventually, we'll probably be out there. So that would be, that's a that's definitely a goal, is to be able to grow enough food to supplement heavily all year long. You know what I'm saying? Still have to probably purchase some things. But just to be able to say we've got lots of dried cans, we got vegetables can just lots of things, you know, that supplement your dinner and really help save but anyway, you know, another thing I was thinking about for Fall preparation is looking at your yard. This is another point I was going to bring up, looking at your yard and asking, what can be used in another form, right look at your plants, the different types of plants that are growing up right now. And just ask how it type in at Google, how can I use sunflowers in an organic way. And you're going to get so many ideas. How can I, you know, how can I use cannabis skeletons organically? And you're going to get all these ideas. And so with my backyard, I'm always thinking, okay, with my sunflowers, I can make a really good fermented plant extract. So can sunflower stocks and labs for, you know, for a couple months, just sitting there, pulling everything out, training off the liquid, using it later. You can also make water soluble calcium with them. People make biochar with sunflowers. You know, we've talked about kanakashi, where I took the cannabis skeletons that were left over for after flower, let them dry out, just crispy dry. We shredded those up in a leaf chipper. I added some wheat brand and those cannabis skeletons are made what's called kanakashi, and it's just reusing organic material, fermenting it, and then being able to apply it to your garden, because that's going to help break down organic matter and put nutrient into the garden. You know, you can also collect flower seeds, if you're growing sunflowers or Zinnias, or some flower that puts off a seed that's easy to get. You know, keep the biggest, prettiest one. Keep the color one. Keep the purple one. If you want the purple, keep the red if you want the red. Xenia. You know, keep that big, big, huge sunflower that grew the tallest. Keep it and keep the seeds. And you you pull those feeds out, you let them dry, and those will be your seeds for next year. And that's how you that's, you know, kind of the idea of homesteading your flowers and your vegetables, you would do the same thing with your with your tomato plant. Keep the plant that grew the tallest, put on the biggest fruit. Keep one of those tomatoes, you know, you pull the seeds out, you wash them off, you let them dry, you preserve them. And for those are for your next year. But that's something fun that you can actually do. And really before, if you'll just pull out some seeds off of sunflower or Zinnias or tomatoes. Like we said, the year goes by so fast that you'll be like, I can't believe it's already time to plant these seeds. I can't wait to see if they pop and they will, and you'll grow them out again, and you'll pick the biggest one again. And it's just the same idea of bringing cannabis, you know, but you can do that with you, with your garden. It's just something fun to do. So another preparation for fall,

I love that man, and I think it points to this bigger picture. A lot of the things you're talking about, whether it's getting your JLF started for the year, or thinking about pruning ahead of summer, it's like, I would challenge the listener to think of their grow in a longer time frame. Right? Think a few years down the road, so many people get started growing. They're like, all right, how long does it take if I'm gonna start? Gonna start growing today? How long does it take to get a harvest? That's one of the great things about cannabis. You're like, damn, I can get a harvest in like, you know, 12 weeks or whatever, if I start from today. And so I think that's what's really attractive about cannabis. But I think towards the end game is when you start thinking years ahead of time. You start planning out your garden, planning out your outdoor garden, becoming more sustainable over time. That's really what I would challenge the listeners to do, is think in a longer time frame, how can you improve? How can you optimize, and how can you make things more sustainable? That's

exactly right. One of the best ways to create a sustainable growing area is to introduce more organic matter, and you just can't stress it enough that don't just grow in a spot and then be done with it. You've got to continue to put nutrient in there in the form of vegetation. So always put fruits and vegetables. You could basically just compost in your no till spots. That's what you're doing. It's just open top layer composting. And all you're doing is really you're mimicking the way nature composts. Nature, layers on top of layers itself, right? It falls and it stays. More falls and it stays. And what that does is it creates a crust on top of the ground, which is a protective layer for the microbiology is growing underneath it. That's why, when we pull those, you know, big Watermelon chunks, and we look at it, we pull that avocado back, we're like, what's underneath it? Well, they're under there, because they're protected. And so all of that soil layering that falls down on top, and you put you put fruits and vegetables in your no till, put your defoliation, mow grass, throw your inputs. I am a ones, twos, threes, fours, all that stuff goes in there. You're creating a good crust on the top of your garden. And you actually need that many reasons. Protection for the microbiology is one, but it also does a great job of holding in moisture. Get the top layer crust on there. And I always look for that crust, Bokashi, kanakashi, any type of thing that's been fermented down. Bokashi, style creates that nice little hard crust that you get those high fees that grow on it, and underneath it, you'll have lots of the Roly polys and worms. So organic matter om. You'll see that in the books, in the in the articles that you read, when you see the OM that means organic matter and compost,

adding adding some compost, regarding adding food scraps, living waste, things like that. It's all organic matter, right? You can

pee in your garden, dude. You could do anything that is, that is an organic method that was thrown out many years ago. People pee in gennars and hold it, but just any nitrogen, baby, heavy nitrogen.

Telling me, yeah, man, I think that that's that's a key to what you're saying before as well. You know, you talk about this dropping of the leaf layers and then maybe mulch over that, or put compost down over that and layering this garden. I'd like to get your time frame on this. You started growing outdoors in this spot eight years ago. You said, or I guess you said you were doing it around. But let's just say, you know, you start in a brand new spot. In your case, how long did it take you before you feel like the soil really got established and started ripping. Was the first year rough? Did it take two, three years to get going? Or was it faster than that?

Yeah. So okay, you know, as years go by, it always looks better. But if you do it right, year two, it's going to be definitely global dirt, slash soil, and dirt would be considered, you know, stuff that grass will grow in, but you're not going to get great vegetables growing out of it, maybe little too much sand, clay, something like that in it. Soil is intentionally made, either by mother nature, or we make it, you know, to grow in. And so what I do when I create a new no till spot is I take a shovel, I will. I'll stick the shovel all the way in the area, and I'll pop it open, and I'll flip it, and I'll turn it upside down, so that the grass goes down and that the dirt is facing up, and I'll scoot back about eight inches. I'll put the shovel in, pop it up, flip it and I will do that to the area that I'm going to start creating a no till area, because I am going to break the ground. That's just going to help. After a while, you don't want to break the ground anymore, because it's good soil with hyphen networks all underneath the soil and all that stuff. But to begin with, pop the soil with a shovel that may scoop it up, turn it over. And when you got your area turned over, the next thing you're going to do is, hopefully, if you got compost, is put compost all over. Get to let the compost fall down in the holes and all that stuff. So lots of compost, lots of JLF, and then I start putting the organic matter on any leftover food scraps from my table. I go to fruit market dumpsters, I go to grocery store dumpsters. I will get out food that hasn't been eaten, and vegetables and fruits, and I'll take it home and I'll compost it, or I'll put it in my No Tell spots, but definitely putting raw organic matter that has nutrient in it, you know, something that could probably still be eaten, you know, but just in the dumpster, that kind of stuff, which is high in nutritional value, that all is going to go into your garden. And then after you get the food down, you know, I will put, I will put leaves and grass, because I want that food covered, because it attracts critters and it just has just has a bacteria stink to it after a while, so I want to get it all covered up, and I want it to just kind of melt down all into the soil. And that is the beginning of me creating a no till spot. And just throughout the year, I will continue to dump JLF and put any organic matter that I have, I will just compost in that area, and after one year of doing that, I'm growing in it the very next year, right? Just start one in the summer, I'll work it through a year, and next summer, I'm growing in it, and it will put off nice plants. But the second summer, that's when I start to see those secondary succession things come in that the Roly polies, the big, big fatty worms, the, you know, other animals pumping in to eat those worms, possums, raccoons, you know, you create a living soil that has stuff in it that is feeding more than just plants. Now, because you you've got lots of living biology in there, and that attracts worms and shredders and worms and shredders, cracks, possums and raccoons and all kinds of stuff. Happens whenever you. It a Good soil. So what in my backyard? Once you see critters around it, you know that there's big worms in there. You know that it's a it's good on its way to good, healthy soil. So two years, you'll have a good growing spot.

That's fantastic. And like you said, you're doing it with a method you're applying, IMO that you have, and JLF that you have. But even so, that's rather quick to be able to switch off of the perpetual expense that is, salt, nutrients. It was a similar story in the coffee farms as well. When I was down south in Columbia, they said it took a little while to get going, and then, you know, eventually we we completely are closed loop and sustainable. Virtually. Their farms were doing better with drought. They were obviously reducing their costs weren't impacted by the fertilizer shortages that hit everybody. Yeah,

it's very fascinating. You know, when I when people look at my page, I'm not telling people that it can work in their third story apartment. It won't what I do making lots of compost and making JLS and all this stuff. You gotta have a little space. So, you know, not everything that we're talking about works for every person. This works for a specific person who has a setup kind of similar to me, who's got a little bit of land and some room to move, and has trees and has Mother Nature dropping things that you can reuse. You know, if you do have that, you have the ability to close the loop, meaning you wouldn't have to purchase anything from a store anymore. All you do is work your work on your land. Work any trees that around you, work any fields that around you, and just gather up the materials at fault, maybe some neighbors, stuff. That's right, you know, I'm sitting here in my gasoline alley looking at about four totes of IMO three. And you know, it's another thing that you're going to start doing in the fall is you're going to gather sticks, nuts, grass, twigs. You're going to gather bamboo leaves, it all kinds of woody bits and pieces, material that's going to break down into dirt. Eventually, you're just going to gather as much of that up as you can. And you can make something called indigenous micro organisms three, and it's just a bunch of woody, earthy material that has been inoculated with lots of microbes and nutrients, and it's really dense with microbiology. And that's something you can use and put on your garden. You can use it to grow in I mix my IMO three with my compost that I make, and that is my growing medium for indoors, I grow in what's called indigenous microorganisms, four, which is, IMO, three plus compost. Wow. And it's fresh. It's new, you know? And I think we talked about it before on on broadcast podcast, that the reason I started making compost was simply because Fox farm soil bags were starting to cost too much. I got five kids, man, I got to spend money elsewhere. And I'm like, Man, I don't want to keep buying keep buying dirt. I gotta do something, and I'd always composted. And I'm like, Hey, I'm gonna bump this up to a freaking machine back here and make enough compost that I can grow in. And I grew in just compost for about two years. That's why I made my stickers called Straight out of compost, because then it really was just compost I grew out of. And I didn't aerate it. I do anything. I just use compost. And then I start learning, you know, I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna mix this IMO three in here and make a MIMO four. I'm gonna try to grow out of it. And the plants even look better than the just compost when I added that IMO three. And so now I grow out of IMO four.

That's wild, though, free. People love this shit. I mean, even those whose situations it doesn't apply to, they love following you. Man, they love aspiring to this or just watching people do it. It's so fascinating. It's so cool. You really are doing God's work out there. Man, we absolutely love it, so you keep it up. Okay? Cal, Godspeed, I appreciate it. Love everything you're doing. What do you have coming up before we wrap up the show, any events you're going to be at, or new drops, or any news?

Well, there is, let's see, there's something I haven't, I haven't made sure I'm going to it yet, or anything. But um, oh, uh, Oklahoma funky. He's putting on a little show up here in Oklahoma City, one of our first kind of mushroom shows. I believe that's, hell yeah, interested in Oklahoma mushroom

festival. I think, I think guys don't quote me on this. I think it's October 15, I believe. Check that out, and it's Oklahoma, fungi, you're going to be up there, dude, I'll see you up there. Well,

yeah, I'm definitely hoping to, I'm hoping to, hoping to just see what's going on, find out, you know what, what direction he's taking that, and either go participate or just go watch. And that'll be cool. So that's something that's coming up, man. Uh, the outside plants go again. Go check it out. Okay. Couch, genetics. These babies going to get big this summer is all about trying to produce some fems. I always have quick

Tell me about that femme line before we wrap the show. I want to hear about this. What can we expect with the

fems? All right, the FEM is all of that gusher stuff we talked out at the beginning. The gusher was reversed. It was a female that was reversed by ganja farmer, and now we're taking that female pollen, and we are pollinating Carmelita with gushers, and we're pollinating fried straw or fried strawberries with Gushers. Those are going to be fins coming out. So probably, I would say, eight to 10 weeks or so, gotta get them all cleaned up and all that stuff and take. While got Life to Live also, but they'll be coming out and so. And then we've got the peach do cross the Bluetooth that was reversed, and it's getting crossed to my Bluetooth. Crossed the very cherry. It's getting crossed to a blueberry guava, which is adulterated freeze, crossed to my Bluetooth. There's a few other things, a blueberry passion, which was caps Passion Pit, crossing my Bluetooth. My keep saying my Bluetooth, because, let me tell you what Bluetooth is. It's a heavy blueberry thing that I created. And I took a blueberry muffin and I crossed it, the blueberry train Mac. I bred the bunch of these out, and I selected about 10 females and Brett and got those down to three. And those were called Blueberry squealers. And I use three blueberry squealers to create a bunch of other things. And I took one blueberry Squealer and I crossed it to a blueberry Mac muffin from SF e genetics, and that cross is Bluetooth, and it turned out so sugary, yummy, fruity, blueberry melon, strawberries. It's just so far on the fruit spectrum, and it's sugar sweet. There's zero gas to it. So that blue just got crossed to a lot of things, to very cherry, to peach. Do see? And a lot of the ones that we grew out that we liked, we kept so we kept growing and growing. And you know, now we're here. So there's a lot of lot of fans coming from a reversed peach. Do see a reverse sugars and a reversed Margo, which is a belief strain. Oh, man,

that is the fucking lineup. Again. I'm so flattered that you're working with the peach do and it makes sense that you're putting it in with that, with the rest of those strains, now that you've experienced that specific cut of peach. Do I call that one the peach Laffy Taffy cut? To me, it's, it's just smells like sweet, mouth watering peach Laffy Taffy. So when you're talking about this, you know, super sweet, super fruit, yeah, peach do is going to slide right in there, man, it's going to, it's going to line right up with the rest of those. Yeah,

we grew that peach do see out a couple times at ledges cannabis company, and it turned out, always a sweet gas. It had a good, just kind of a, you know, like you said, peachy, a Melanie, kind of a sweetie with a little gas on the end. But the one thing is really impressive about it, the freaking nugs on it, man, it's humongous. They were big, solid, dense nugs, really dense. That's what those commercial growers wanted, super dense, yeah. And that's what I'm a little worried so that's something you got to watch out for outside, too. Those big, big dense nugs that you think are beautiful. When you crack them open, they're brown and rotten.

That's so true. Those are the ones you gotta be extra careful with the humidity, that density, that humidity, down in that yes, and that's

why you just gotta strip off that junk. Strip that lower stuff off. Get rid of everything. Leave the big ones. Protect them. Take care of them, man. Those are the pretty ones you want,

damn right? And think ahead in your grow I'd love that for the overarching message, which is, don't think about just getting through this run. Think in terms, even if you're indoor and you're not talking about, you know, regenerating this or that. Think long term guys. Think about expanding. Think about optimizing and just getting better all the time, never stagnating. That's why we like you, Alex, you're always studying, you're always teaching, you're always learning. I love it,

yeah. Always think about, what are you going to reuse? You know, you're going to reuse something. What can you use over and over again, even like cloth pots or some kind of hard plastic pot, you know, those cloth pods, those pods stay around, and that was plastic. But my whole point in my idea of growing, and I learned it from that. I learned it from Jadam. The whole purpose of Jadam was to help poor communist farmers grow their own crops, right? And so what I try to do, and it's easier for me because I got five kids, man, and times things get expensive. It's like, dang it, you know, I don't want to spend a bunch of money on other things. I gotta freaking take two kids to the dentist, and one's gotta have freaking football gear, you know, and the list goes on. So it really is important for me as a human being, as a father, to make sure I'm saving my money. It's really important for a poor communist farmer, say, somewhere in Laos or Cambodia, it's really important for him to grow his food, because he's not going to the grocery store and he ain't got any place to go. He's got the he's got nobody. And so you think like that guy, if you can think like that guy and be like man, it's possible for that man in Cambodia, that poor communist farmer, that Jadam was written for, it's possible for him to make his own soil, make his own nutrients, grow his own crops, feed his own family for the whole dang year. I've got to be able to make enough dirt and nutrient to grow a run of cannabis. You know, it's gotta be possible. You gotta be able to do it. And you are able to do it, you can do this. And you just gotta get in that mentality of, I don't wanna spend money. I'm tired of spending money. You know, commercial, commercial agriculture has really convinced a lot of people that you need Miracle Grow, and that you have to use this, this, this certain ways, and you don't have to do it. All you gotta do is do it like Mother Nature does. And Mother Nature is pretty dang lazy. She just lets junk fall to the ground and lets microbes do the work. And that's really what we are doing, putting stuff on the ground, letting microbes do the work and benefiting from what they do. And you don't, you don't have to spend money. So, yeah, that's the way I think, though I want to think like, I don't want to spend any money, and I'm dead, not because it's like a a. Survival thing, yet it's almost like a challenge to me, like I can do it without spending any money, and then I get to go back to my wife, like, Man, I grew all of this and I didn't spend any money, and you know how much that helps a marriage?

Good point. No, a lot of people feel that way, like you said, it's almost like a challenge, which is like, Well, why don't I do it this other way and and spend no money? So listen, we love the message again, follow. Okay, call it everybody worth a follow. He's a huge friend of the show. Thank you so much for doing community cup, bro. That was an fucking awesome presentation. The video is up right now for members, actually, in our Patreon. I'm sure it's up on your YouTube, right? Did you throw it up

there? Yep, I believe it did. Yes, yep, I put it. I put it all kinds of places. That's awesome,

man. So check it out. Anybody find that link if you're interested in, okay, Alex's work, uh, check out the community cup presentation. Thank you, man, we appreciate you. Alex, so much, buddy. Thank you

very much. Jordan has a great time talking. Man, everybody check out that page. As I said, it's fun. And I can't wait to community cup again. I won't do again, dude. I think everybody just walked away like that was solid. That was fun. Thank

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