Well begin life at the Oregonian, as a high school writer, a preps writer, so I did cover High School track, then that was my first exposure to it, I was not a track participant in high school, or college, I didn't particularly relate to the sport, I was more of a baseball guy. So it was all brand new to me a lot of trial and error, which you can get away with at the high school level. But when they had me started covering the ducks, in the late 80s, my lack of knowledge was really exposed. And I was constantly embarrassed by what I wrote. But But over time, and in that was sort of hit or miss because the Oregon program went into a period there in the, from the late 80s, through the early 2000s, where it wasn't very relevant locally, maybe a little more nationally, I think, you know, a lot of cases, they still competed well, nationally, but they didn't know host home meats. And so for the most part, so there was no real reason to cover them locally. So we sort of paid attention to them, but it wasn't intense beat coverage. And, and a lot of that was done by one of my colleagues anyway. So it really wasn't until they went out and brought vinland Anna in to sort of try to reawaken tracktown, USA that, excuse me, the Oregonian, got interested in it again, and made me a beat writer. So that's, that's really when I became an intensely track writer from usually from somewhere in the indoor season, I didn't always start with the start of the indoor season, because there's no indoor track here. There are indoor track teams, but there isn't a facility. And through the spring and sometimes into the summer, when there was an Olympics game, so Olympic Games. So