🌲 Vegging 7 ft Tall Plants for Spring, OKCalyxx is Ready to Grow Some Funk!

11:04AM Jan 28, 2025

Speakers:

Jordan River

OK Calyx

Keywords:

AC Infinity

natural farming

keeping mothers healthy

extended vegging

big plants

red clover

JLF issues

indoor cannabis

seed starter trays

English style gardening

cherry tomatoes

blueberry muffin

GMO strains

mental health

local inputs

Greetings growers from around the world. Jordan River here back with more grow cast chelated just for your years. Today we've got OKC, Alex back on the show. You know him. You love him. He's a great friend of the show. He's got updates on his breeding and his natural farming work. And we also talk about keeping mothers healthy, vegging for extended periods of time and growing big. Glance. I know you're gonna love this episode, but before we jump into it, shout out to AC infinity. That's right. Acinity.com, code grow cast one five to get your savings on the best grow gear that you can get your hands on. My favorite grow test. They've got lights, fans, pots, scissors, everything you need. It's at AC infinity.com. They've got grow kits. If you need to get started growing it's the best way to get started, in my opinion, go grab a three by three grow kit or a four by four grow kit. Use code grow cast one five, and get that whole setup delivered to your door. Everything you need to get started, it's all there at AC infinity.com, plus they've got lots of new and great items, like their new spray technology that they've released. They've got a new cloud forge humidifier. Now they have green lights that you can put in your tent, that you can use as work lights during your dark period. AC Infinity has it all. Code grow, cast one, five at AC infinity.com, that's what you need to do. That's how you get the savings and grab the best tents in the game, the best fans in the game, and so much more. Thank you to our partners, AC infinity. All right, let's get into it with okcalyx. Thank you for listening and enjoy the show. Hello, podcast listeners, you are now listening to grow cast. I'm your host, Jordan River, and I want to thank you for tuning in again today before we get started as always, I urge you share this show. Send an episode. Send this episode to a grower. We really appreciate you guys spreading the show. It's the best thing you can do to help us out. Make sure you're subscribed wherever you're listening and go to growcast.com the brand new website for everything, the beginner's guide, the seeds, the membership, the classes, it's all there. And we are so grateful for all of you, especially the members, for making this possible. We are into 2025 now, folks, welcome to the new year. Very excited about all the content offerings that we have coming this year. This is going to be a huge year for growcast. 2025 we're kicking it off right this year with some new friends, with some old friends, and even a bear, as they say on the television today, we have a longtime friend of the show. You know him. You love him. He's back. Okay, Calex is here. What's up? Okay, call X.

Hello everybody. What's up? Grow cast land, brother Jordan, talk to you again.

It's good to talk to you again, and we will talk about everything today, including your amazing in person education. But right off the top, I need to say here, I think we maybe did one episode on this show since the autumn immersive. And I have to say, just again, man, and in case I didn't say it enough, last time that class was so amazing, you did such an incredible job. I'm so honored to be able to work with you. Man, I just want to give you your props on this show for not only throwing an amazing class, not only being an awesome educator, but just a great person in the cannabis industry. Man, like you're you. You are like Farmer John says about us, which I'm so flattered by. You are exactly who you portray yourself to be in real life, and you always follow through. And I just want to thank you again, dude, that class was incredible. Calyx, thank you, man,

well, I appreciate those kind words. That's very nice of you, and I agree that was so much fun, getting to meet everybody, get talk, getting to teach, answer questions, and I just get to design it my way. And you know, that's one of the talks I did at Matt powers art. It was the our soil the next, not the last. Our future is going on right now. Our soil was the last one. I did a talk on doing natural farming your way. And it's just a an idea of, I'm going to look to other people's ideas for inspiration, but then I gotta put the books away, I gotta put the notes away, and I just got to allow what pleases me and what interests me and what I think is going to be great. And I follow that path, you know, it's got to the point where if I like it, I know it's going to be good, because I'm passionate about it, and I care about this stuff, and I know what people like, because I've taken the organic path from knowing nothing to where I am right now, you know. And so people meet me along that path in a lot of different places, and there's just so much to talk about, and it was a great time. I can't wait to do it again. It's going to be even better this year, believe it or not. Man, we're tweaking and we're refining, and we're going to make it great. Yeah, absolutely.

Is it a little surreal that people now want to travel across the country just to come and hear you speak on that? Is that a little bit weird to you? Man,

yes. So that happened last time at the at our first album immersive. I I had a feeling like, okay, there'll be maybe some Arkansas, Texas, couple guys like that. But, man, we had, we have people from on the edges of the of the America coming to, yes, Maryland. They're all they're all over. They're really all over the United States. They just came to our beautiful little land out there. And when you told me how far people had come, that's when I actually got a little nervous. I was like, Oh my god. Like, I don't want to waste people's time, you know. I don't want to waste your hard earned money. I don't want to waste all the effort you put into getting here, you know. I want it to be freaking great when you leave. I want you to be like, golly, that was well worth my time and money.

It was the best received class I've ever done, man. And we do some amazing classes, like, we really try to deliver for our people. And all to be clear, all of our classes have a unique offering, but Calex, I've never seen so many happy people like that. Was insane people, yeah, heck, you loved it, so you delivered. Man, Heck, yeah. Listen, we don't need to schmooze the the whole time. I did need to thank you again, and the new tickets for day one are up on the site, growcast.com if anybody is interested. But what's been going on in your world, man, what's been going on in the farm since last we spoke?

Well, we got a really good snow, about 4434, days ago. Got a about six to eight inches and a good snowball throwing snow. But there's still some snow on the ground. It's been quite cold. Every every plant, I think, got pretty much frost, bit enough to where there's nothing in the garden above ground that's really alive. And doing anything, I'll have some crop cover. I'm going to grow a lot of red clover this year. I really every time I get like a crop cover mix that I was just I'm always impressed with that beautiful, bright maroon cherry red that red clover will put off for you on the flowers when they really start to bloom. So I like to have, like, a note one no till bed, just full of red clover. I've already got the red clover. I got about two pounds of it. So I am going to do it. But whenever February gets through, I'll start putting some seed down for, you know, just to get some things growing. It might be crop cover. It might just be some lettuce seed that I've got that I know I'm never going to use, and I'm just you throw that out as crop covered, let it grow up, chop and drop later on. But right now, man, we are, for reason, cold in Oklahoma. We're we've been, we've been chilly, so there's not a lot to do. Man, you know what I'm dealing with right now is my JLF being froze up, and I still have to water my cannabis plants, and my JLF is outside in barrels, so I've had to this last two weeks, I have kept about five, five gallon buckets of JLF in my gasoline alley, my shed, indoors and indoors, because it's frozen. It's, that's I would have to, I have to chip it and pour hot water into a bucket, you know, and work it out. I would had to do that before, but not this time. I'm prepared, ready, but all I'm doing is watering my indoor cannabis plants. We'll talk about those here in a bit. All I'm doing is watering those. But, um, I'm preparing. I'm prepping right now, man, for for spring, I I've already got my my seed starter community dome trays, you know, got those out just the other day. Looking at how many I've got been, looking at all the seeds I have, what seeds I'm going to order, trying to think about my garden and really what I want to grow this year. Often I grow a lot of just fun, random stuff. And I like that. I like the it's called it the English style gardening. There's the French in England. There's all kinds of styles, but English is more like that cottage home. Look where everything kind of overgrows each other and kind of grows together. Real beautiful. I like that, that French style garden is more separated with edges and definitions and things like that, you know, with rocks and edges and cool stuff like that. But I like that English cottage look, where it all kind of grows together. And, you know, the cool thing is, you know, everything, it looks like chaos to other people, but your garden, you know, every single native plant that you added, the flowers that are coming up, the fruits that's coming up, you know, and it makes sense to you, and it just kind of, it looks real, kind of bushy and thrown together. I like that look. That's, you know, that's what I'll be kind of going for. But more specific in what I'm growing, I like to grow random kinds of tomatoes. I've done this for decades. Just get all kinds of different tomatoes, like early spring festivals, where people will bring their own breeds of things.

What do you like? What's what's really stuck out over the years? The peppers are always

so different. Like this, last year I got a Russian striped pepper, then I kept the seeds from it. It. It starts off a light green, and then as it matures, it goes into striped blood red color, and then it finishes with this dark purple and yellow. And it's just amazing to watch it change. It's really cool. So I grew those out last year. That was a fun one. And then I liked it. I got getting all the different tomatoes I was interested in, what's called a an ox heart tomato. They have, like, flat sides instead of a nice round shape. It has these flat, like stop sign ox heart tomato. Oh, wow, yeah. Really fun. They can get beefy looking at one tasty and real cool looking. I like the I like the looks of those. I grew some marzanos, San marzanos Last year, they were okay. I wasn't impressed with what I maybe I had my hopes too high, but my, my other tomatoes tasted just as fine. So they're

for sauce. Those sand marzanos are for sauce and not, not much else, in my opinion.

Yeah, they're quite Roma e, you know, shape and taste, but nothing bad. About them. But I asked first time I had grown Sam marzanos And I got, I got those from those herb festivals here in gene Sand Springs and stuff like that. Very

cool. Yeah, the ox art looks fantastic. I had a golden what was it? Golden? Delicious. No, that's the apple. There were these yellow ones. God, dang it escaping me right now, golden something. And so much different. Like you said, the taste is so much different. So we should encourage the members to try new plants this year. New veggies. Definitely

go with tomatoes, peppers. Those are always fun to get into. I always like to have cherry tomatoes around, because they always have tomatoes on them. You know, the big, big tomatoes, you'll have a harvest, and then you wait a week or two to get another one cherry tomatoes. You got two, three plants of those, you always have some tomatoes to eat on I like taking basil, one leaf of basil, take a cherry tomato, wrap a sucker up and eat it all. It's good,

true, that is the way to do it absolutely. A little balsamic in there. So you're preparing it froze over this year. Doesn't always freeze over in Oklahoma, so that probably changes things a little bit for you, your outlook and what you can be doing right now. But one thing you did tell me is that you're not flowering indoors right now. What's going on in your indoor grow and this multi month vegetation that you've been doing?

Yeah, man, so it's gonna be wild. I hope it doesn't become a hassle. That's the one thing I don't like about growing cannabis, is when I get it to a state where it becomes a hassle for me to deal with what I've got going on. I want it to be smooth and easy and enjoyable and well, you know, wise growing and not, not just crazy chaotic growing. I had everything going, all my lights and everything were going just fine. I was in veg, you know, light cycles going right? And then when it's a week ago, when we got a lot of really cold weather, like we had four days of being close to zero, we had highs of like 15. And you know, that's when you and I were talking on my podcast, the biodiversity live with my beneficials. Rubber Ducky. We were talking about issues during the winter. And you had, you described my grow perfectly without knowing it I had. I've got ice in my trays, you know, I've got warm air up top, cold air on the bottom. My plants are starting to tighten up. You can totally see the leaf structure, you know, just tightening up, doesn't want to get loose looking, starting to get some red discoloration of this of the merit stem. And, you know, it's just like, yep, that's cold, cold water going in. When I water, it's cold temperatures constantly. They don't like it. And then we came out of that, and I started using after that show Jordan, I started watering with warm water, ah, to counteract it. Yes, freaking. In two days, I saw three plants that were totally starting to leaf out again, just, you know, start to widen up again. They look bigger, you know, when they're healthier, like that. So water was warm water, that kind of helped out a little bit. But when it was cold, I added an extra space heater, and I blew a breaker, and I was like, Oh my gosh. And so actually, I did more than blew a breaker. I actually burnt out one of my plugins. And so now I've got all this work.

Oh, shit, was it one of those electric ones instead of the metal oil radiator ones, because those, that's what we talked about. Just talked about that. Yeah, that's the biodiversity live podcast, right? Doing it, yes, you did, yes and go check it out. Thank you so much for having me. That was so fun. And, yeah, that was, like the culmination of all my battles with cold over the year. Yes,

it was, that was like, my grow, dude, you nailed it.

That was my, my diagnosis for a lot of people out there, running too cold, it happens. It's happening to me right now. Yeah, so that's really cool. You got that out of that, man and so, so wait, you've been keeping these things in veg, dude, this whole winter.

No, check it out. Yes, just check it out. So I grew my summer plants, right? That I that I bred and got my rosin from, but from those plants, I took clones and and from those plants I took clones again, and I have the first generation clone and a couple of second generation clones of my summer plants, because some of them are so good, I'm like, we're going at it this again, but I've gotta keep them all the way through freaking Winter, all the way through early spring. And there, there's a couple that are about five to six feet tall right now. And then there's some, you know, there may be two and a half feet tall. So that's what I'm talking about. If it gets chaotic and out of control, I might just chop way down, like take a whole foot off or something. Oh, you're

so close. What happens if you put out a seven foot plant. It's gonna be enormous, dude. It's gonna be 25 feet tall. Yeah, it'll be

real. You know, I had a 14 I had a couple of 14 footers this summer, and they started out June 1, is typically when I put stuff out. But these seeds started like June 15, and they got all the way 14 feet tall from June, July, August into September, and, you know, into October, we started cutting. But, yeah, if I put out a seven foot plant, it'll be obnoxiously out of control. I have nothing that I can reach the top with. You know, it's going to be huge, but it'll be fun. Who knows what? Do with it. I never know, you know, I don't want to break them over or SCROG them out some or, you know, time to the fence and bend them over real hard. Who knows?

Well, it's funny. I was going to ask you some advice on, like, maintaining plants and veg, but it sounds like you're sounds like you're struggling yourself, which is like, you know, I don't have a ton of advice for people, how do I this is another version of this question, Alex, just in a different perspective, which is, how do I keep mothers healthy? That's the question I get. It's essentially the same thing, right? You're keeping a plant in a vegetative state for a long period of time and keeping it healthy, and it's difficult. It's I think that taking cuttings over and over is probably your best way to save space, yeah. But the problem with that is, Calex, you really only want to take cuttings from a healthy plant. And there's two ways to think about it, which is, if you're using bottled nutrients, man, it can really be tough with mothers when they get to a huge size in a small container, and the nutrient and water delivery ratio is going to be way, way different, whereas soil, they're going to run out of food way faster, way faster, if you're not, like, constantly amending. But if you put them in a big pot, in soil, at least they're going to kind of take what they need, as opposed to being kind of up in the air. What do I do in week 14 of veg? What does my nutrient schedule look like for week 14 of veg? It doesn't exist. You have to just kind of, you know, go by feel at that point and it just hold it at the higher ends and get plenty of runoff. But, yep, yup, but yeah, that's I have that same problem, which is, I get, I get procrastinate. Is the word I'm thinking of. I start procrastinating. Yeah? Next thing you know, you know, it's out of control, like you said. But 557, foot plants is nuts,

yeah. And the I Agree, the one thing that I don't like to do when I'm growing plants is have a long veg, because I feel like, after a while, you're asking for it. You know, it's like the like, eventually something's coming your way and you're gonna miss something. You know, it's like, you're pushing it with these long veggies. And I'd never like to do long veggies, especially indoors. That's just that's asking for trouble. Outdoors, I love to veg as long as I possibly can. I even put spotlights out on my plants whenever we get into July and August, because then I'm like, then I'm controlling, actually, when it goes into flower, because I know, like, I know if I don't have those extra lights, I'm definitely going into flower. But once I push, like, two or three weeks past that, the you know, the light cycles outside where there's plenty of darkness for it to stay in the flower. I'll keep the lights on just to let it go into flower or veg longer and longer and get bigger and bigger. And then I know I take those lights off, that's day one. And I'm not guessing, because a lot of times you're like, Ooh, it looks like it's on in the flower, or, I can't tell fish or not. And then by week three, you're like, Hm, I wonder what week this is. Looks like two or three, and then by week seven or eight. You like, I really don't know what week it is. I'm just going by trichomes, but once I turn those spotlights off, I got a day count that's reliable. I like

that. That's very interesting. Kind of push past that transition period to get a little more full vegetative growth. Yep, you know your your style is interesting because you go full term, do you light depth? Uh, no, you go full term, you harvest what I assume is a lot of flower, and then you process what, all of it, 90% of it into rosin, every bit of it in the Ross every bit of it into rosins. That's very fascinating. I

get everything out of my plants. So like, let me say, Let me insert a little bit here into that process. He said, where I grow them, I veg them, and then I have them washed in between, I'm growing them, but then I slip them into flower. I'm going to breed them with some family red pollen, whatever. And then the plants going to go to term. I'm going to freeze those plants. I'm going to have them wash, get my rosin, and then I'm going to keep the wash water. I'm going to make labs with it. I'm gonna keep the washed bugs. I bring that back home. I spread it out, let it dry in the sun, and then it gets crunchy, and I crushed it all up, and I get my seeds out. And so I'm saving all of my seeds. I get all of my rosin. I use the crushed up cannabis to go to compost or FBE or whatever. But man, wow. I take the skeletons and use them. Burn those down, make bukashi, make kanakashi, just whatever. Like, every single thing gets used now in my in the way I grow my cannabis, and I really like it. I'm like, I really tried to just really use everything, because I used to be, like, if I breed it, then I have to let it hang and dry, crush it up, get the seeds, and I've lost all the medicine, right? But this way you get everything.

Yeah, that's amazing, man, using the plant for all of its purposes, that's really great. I like that attitude quite a bit. But the name of the game is big plants, because then you end up with a with a massive yield. So you gotta, you gotta pull those through, man, you're so close to spring. You gotta keep at least one of those big girls alive. Do it for the content. Oh, I am. And stick her outside and see what happens. Man, yeah. What else are you working on as far as local inputs? You talk about using every part of the plant? Yeah, I know you're doing some work with some Coco car that you're remediating, and some sponge wood and stuff. Talk about that, would you

Yeah, so a few things we got. The first thing we'll talk about is. Uh, some FPE I made earlier. Made it from a plant that was called London pound cake across the jealousy and the leaves are just super thick and dark purple, beautiful looking. So anyway, making F PE, I used the all the defoliation and just a little bit of labs and water and a five gallon bucket, and after about 10 days on string, it out. It looked like great Kool Aid. It still looks like great Kool Aid, and it's just beautiful, dark purple fermented plant extracts and cannabis defoliation. So because, because I've been using mainly just JLF and fermented plant extracts lately, like all I've been feeding my indoor girls are JLF and fermented plant extract, nothing else. Man, just letting it rock and and some soil that I made, which we actually man, we need to talk about this, because it's something I like, but can't we got so much to talk about, but making beautiful fermented plant extract, not using sugars anymore, because I find it unnecessary. Still have a great product. The pH drops, everything works. The sugar was really intended just to give like food to microbiology. But, man, the microbes chow on the organic matter already. It's like they got food already. You don't need any extra sugar. And I have a very shallow understanding of the scientific basis for all of it, you know. But the facts are, the sugar is a food, and the microbes don't need more sugar. There's plenty of food on the green manure material that you use.

So what's the big benefit to not using sugar? Is that more of a like you're saying, how it affects the soil thing, or is it more of an availability thing? So you can create this thing without having that, having needing

access to sugar. A few things.

The first thing is, it's used because it's the K and F tradition of making, you know, Fermented Plant juices, fermented fruit juices, and then making fermented plant extracts. It's kind of just like there's always this use of molasses or sugars. I think that kind of carried over into it as a recipe. But I find there is no need to add molasses to for me to plant extracts. And I really find there's really not a need for me personally to make for me to plant juices or fermented fruit juices, because I don't do the K and F system per se. You know, I take bits and pieces of it and use it with what fits in my environment. But another factor is the cost, man, if you're wanting to use good jaggery sugar, which is a dark brown sugar that still has all the nutrients in it and stuff like that, it's not inexpensive. It's cost money, sure. And the whole principle is not just like, dumb ultra low cost. My principle is no cost. Ultra no cost. Like, I don't want to have to use money for anything if I don't have to. And so there's no need to use the brown sugar anymore. You know, the they test the F PE, like, I don't remember the exact pH it's supposed to be, but it's down around two and a half, three, something like that. That's when, that's when it you can, you can store it. It becomes useful. Lot a lot of stuff. Want to grow in that low pH, and, you know, you can use it for months to come. But, yeah, no. So no sugars, man, I think a lot of people are kind of moving away from sugars. Yeah, it's interesting, because

I hear a couple different things. I hear, you know, there's the organic eyes that use things like molasses in their soil, and the, you know, the theory is, it kind of gets the microbes buzzing. But then there's also the organic guys that say, Well, I don't add sugars for the same reason that I don't add synthetic fertilizers, right? But for one of the same reasons, which is, when you add the synthetic fertilizers, plants no longer need to produce those exudates, those sugars, so they stop producing them once they're getting what they need from the nutrient solution. So likewise, the these people say, I'm not gonna give microbes free money. You know what I mean? You want them to. They want to maintain that relationship, in that exchange, without, without messing with it. Now, personally, of course, as we've seen, you can, of course, grow great cannabis using molasses or not using molasses, but I tend to fall on the other side of the camp. I think it does. I don't use, let me just say this, I don't use it often. I don't use it often enough to break that relationship, for sure. And when you use it occasionally, it does seem to kind of make the soil buzz for just a minute. It gives them a little bit of that, a little bit of a stimulant, you know what? I

mean, yeah, it definitely will ignite stuff if you put a little little juice or brown sugar in a tea, you know. But beef it up a little bit. But, yeah, it's definitely nothing wrong with it. Let's not be mistaken. There's nothing wrong with using brown sugar whatsoever. It's just preferences for people's environments. And

you're not going to go buy it. It would be one thing if you had, I'm sure if you had molasses, you'd be making all sorts of stuff. I know you. Yeah, the one thing

I do use molasses for is Bucha. I do put a food source on the organic materials so that the microbes can really get after it, sure, and multiply on on that wheat brand and eat the wheat brand itself. So the next thing was, uh, sponge wood. So this is what I've done this year, and this is something new. Haven't done, but I haven't had my no tills. This is the second year I've had my big, long, 30 foot no tills. I've got. 330, foot no tills. And one, about 25 foot no till that. I've been working for one year now. It would be one year this coming spring, but had a beautiful garden in a mall. I had lots of good manures in there and just organic materials and compost. And it started off quite well, man. I set them up for victory. But this year I made so much, IMO, three for 330 foot, no tills, and 125 footer, that this year I'm just collecting sponge wood. And I'm let me slow down. Sponge wood is where, like there's, there's wood that is so broken down that you grab it and it can it just poofs almost into powder, or it's very crumbly. And if it gets wet, it literally holds 10 times its weight in water. You can squeeze water out of it. But we call it sponge wood because it's broken down and it's ready just to return to soil. And so lots of sponge wood has been gathered and put in every one of my no tills. And I'm talking it looks like train tracks. It looks like those black tie train tire logs that they put on the ground. You know, it's going all the way down the no tills like that. And what I plan to do is in this, in this early spring, is just get out there with the shovel and just kind of break up the wood. I love having woody bits in my gardens, in my no tills, because they bring so much life. Those woody bits will have mushrooms growing off of them. Roly polys like to gather under them. And things just love the woody bits. And the more organic material I can get into my no tills, the better off my garden is. I do not know what I'm bringing in from out there, you know, I don't know all the biology good or bad that I'm bringing. I simply am trying to follow the the ways of mother nature, that this sponge wood is breaking down. It's a home for all kinds of biology, all kinds of small bugs and animals, and it turns into beautiful, dark soil out in the woods. And so I'm just bringing that back and letting mother nature do what she does. And, you know, directing where I want it to break down into good soil, and getting a lot of it put into small spaces, and instead of being spread all over the forest floor, you know, that's the idea just following Mother Nature. And I know where it will work. It will work every single time it's going to turn into good soil. A lot of people be like, you're bringing in ants and termites. I'm like, Yes, I am. I can't help it. That's Mother Nature. You're You're telling me I'm bringing in mother nature. Yes, I am bringing in mother nature. I can't stop any of that stuff. So I don't try to stop it. I just let them come. You know, I have, like, plagues of different bugs throughout the year, and I've done it long enough that I've seen them not be there one year and be there the next year. You know, little red clover mites will show up. One year won't be here. Another year. Sometimes some years my compost has ants all in it, and then some years, no ants whatsoever. And the list goes on for things that show up randomly. But it's Mother Nature. You're not going to feed it, just participate, join in, you know, reap the rewards of all her hard work and be wise and use it to your benefit. But that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to do less work, instead of making IMO three and putting it back in the garden, just just use the ingredients and kind of spread them out in the garden and let Mother Nature use them how she wants to. You know, I've been around commercial grows since it became legal in Oklahoma, and I have always seen how much biomass they just throw out, like the CoCo core or the soils, whatever they're using. Often they don't reuse it. And I can understand the wisdom behind it. You know there is the wisdom is, don't go up river and with commercial growing, like if you start with clones, then move those clones into veg. Move those flour, those veg plants, into flower. Cut those plants down and be done. Don't, don't. Don't try to bring things back like you know. Don't try to have flower re veg, bring all of that back into your veg room, and then move everything forward. Because you're mixing. You're moving things back up river, and things get mixed a little bit, and you want to try to keep things clean and flowy. And so I totally get it. I totally get throwing it all out and starting all over however. You know, the way my mind works is like there's so much there that could literally be reused and recreated into something that has monetary value. There's no doubt about it. I go down to the woods and gather things that are on the ground, bring them back, put them in a form that's now really useful to an organic grower. And it started with something that has no no value, basically laying on the wood ground, out there in the woods, and then I bring it and create something of value. That's what I'm trying to do with this CO that I do with this Coco core. And I know there's been lots of people do this, do this project, try to buy, remediate cocacour and use it somehow. But, but my man, my idea is just to let it set out in mother nature for some seasons. Put some microbes on it, throw some jlfs on it, let it snow, let it rain, let it get weathered real well. And it's organic material mother. Nature is going to use it to her benefit, whether we want to or not. We can do things to help her out, right? We can try to wash the salts out however. We can roll it around in some compost, just get stuff mixed in there with it, to help it, to help it remediate. But it will remediate eventually. And so I've got, I probably have 300 pounds, two, 300 pounds of coca core set in my backyard, used

from a from a cultivation facility. You mean, that's right

from a commercial grow around here. And I want to remediate. I want to you, I want to do the process myself, use it, see that it works, and be like, Okay, I'm going to get a truck load of that Coco core before you have to throw it out. You know, I'm saying that's

easy, Dude, that's awesome. And what a great way to do it too, literally putting it out in the wild, if I may, suggest one other thing is make sure you plant something in it when sitting out there wild. Great, great idea, Jordan, because that's going to get those nutrients moving and grooving. And honestly, dude, just flushing it is. Here's the thing I'll say about cocoa. People forget that. Like cocoa, is a fantastic soil substance as a soil input. Yeah, they use it in Hawaii all the time, in living soil, you can use it as a straight medium and put nutrients through it. It's a fantastic way to grow because of Coco's water holding capacity, right? You can do really frequent watering events and get these big, beefy plants with your bottles. But you can also take that same cocoa and put it into a living soil mix, just like peat. As long as you understand Coco's ability to grab onto certain minerals and release other ones, as long as you understand how that works and you weather it in certain scenarios, that you're gonna have a great time. I'm running a soil from SD microbes that, yeah, dude, it's all cocoa based. Is it blown away? So it's side by side with Purple Cow, which is a local company that I love, and it's working so good in the earth box, awesome. And it's just made a CoCo. Man. I was absolutely blown away. And like good calls, don't sleep on cocoa as a soil input is a major component of your soil. No

doubt it's really it is. It's really good. It's be. And that's the reason I'm, like, I gotta reuse this, because it's just good material, like to make a good mulch with to mix into iron, oh, threes, whatever the case may be, it helps bring a little aeration, kind of a feel to things. It brings more mass. They mean, that's the thing about making organics. It's like, I need more material. Like composting. If you're a composter, you know that about 10, about eight to 10 buckets of green manure turn into one bucket of compost, and so you gotta have material, and that's why I'm talking about bringing in just logs and putting them in my no tills. And just to get more mass, get more stuff that's going to eventually break down into good soil. Yeah, let me tell you this one, Jordan. It's a chain reaction. So it I have to take you a few steps back. This year, the town I live in, here near Tulsa, Oklahoma, has got so many new houses and homes that that have been built here, and people have moved in, and it's just exploded that the stores the markets have had to put locks now, because of a city ordinance, have put locks on their dumpsters, and I'm a hardcore dumpster diver. I've done it for years. Love dumpster diving, but my main hookup of all organic material was a little supermarket here in town, and I can't get into their dump anymore. It's totally locked, and so this year, I could not make enough compost, and I will only be able to use what my family was producing, basically. And I would get stuff from neighbors and all trying to make a lot of compost, but I was not able to make near as much. So I always grow straight out of compost in a gasoline alley, like it's just mostly all compost, maybe little, IMO, three, but I always use my compost in a gasoline alley, and then I use that to throw out to the summer garden didn't have enough compost. So this year, the first time I've done this, went out into the woods. I went to all the big logs and stumps I could find, just like we did out there in the autumn immersive mountain Tahlequah going showing those guys where to look, what to roll back, what to scrape off of a log. I got into all these logs and got some good black material that's just underneath the bark. When you peel it back, those bugs and just chew that junk up, it's all, it's like a bug frass basically that the bugs have eaten that nice layer of wood off of that dead tree just underneath the bark, just underneath the bark, you know. And then if the log is laying on the ground, roll that log back and just scrape that first inch or half inch of soil. Anyway, I went out and I got me a whole cubit yard of that material from out in the woods, good native soil, basically, is what it is. And I gathered up bark and stigs or sticks and twigs and any leaf that might have mycelium, you know, all over it, those, those good looking chunks of stuff you can find. I loaded up my compost barrels with that, poured a bunch of JLF labs, just whatever. Man was just dumping junk in it, and was mixing it up, putting some Bucha in there. Let it. I let that go for probably a month and a half, and now that's the soil that I'm growing in. Gasoline alley. Man, I went straight out into the woods. Gas. Their native soil came back, did a little inoculation, little nutrient work with it, and, man, growing my plants in it right now, they're doing just fine, but that's the first time I've actually done that, like actually said, okay, just going to the woods, just using it and seeing if it works. It totally works. Of course it's going to

work. Man, you got to get yourself a lock pick set. You know what? I mean, that's somebody crap to get through. They locked you out of the dumpster. Oh,

the dumpster. Yeah, no doubt, dude, it was terrible. And then all the other thing was a fruit market that I always went to this the guy that owned this fruit market knew my dad and my dad's family. They owned a fruit market in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, and so he knew me here. We had a good connection there, but he just gotten old, and they finally had to sell that fruit market. And they they moved their their market, out onto their land, which is about four miles away from the fruit market. But I used to go and just get loads of watermelons, cantaloupes, cucumbers, tomatoes, bushels by the by the massive box fulls, because it would go bad before people could get it, because summertime, there's a lot of fruit that comes through, and people just can't eat it all. So it goes bad. But, man, he would let me. He would help me. He would help load this stuff for me into my truck, and I would take all of that back, and don't you'd see me chop all that up, put it underneath my plants, and just done. You know, what is it called? Soil lasagna. Uh, soil layering, just literally building soil out there with all that excess, you're

taking that soil lasagna, pretty literally with those those cucumbers. Man,

totally lasagna. Man, you could eat it. You throw in some pasta sauce, compost, coleslaw, all kinds of good stuff.

That's cool, man, yeah. And it's a shame, you know, because people like you, if there's just one person in the area, just one person like you, is going to repurpose so much waste and take that energy and reclaim that energy, which is really what I care most about, you know, and what most people care about is not wasting. But, um, you mentioned something earlier, this jaggery sugar, and I looked it up. This is really cool. I've never heard of this before. This like, mineral rich, yeah, SAP derive, yeah, that's good. That's really interesting. So I recommend people look into this. I might have to grab some of this for myself.

That's all. Marco's growing uses of jaggery. I'm gonna eat it, though, yeah, it's that raw stuff, you know, get that the raw package of sugar. Sometimes you see, I think that's like what Jagger is

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How's the breeding going? Man, I know you've gone deep into blueberry profiles. You've gone deep into cherry profiles. Anything on the horizon for 2025 any new profiles you're looking for or diving deeper into the old stuff?

Yeah. So a few things. So my original cherry on the ground day came back to me from and you have to help me with it. Mad Dog,

you. Hold on. Start that sentence again. I just, I just parked up a joint. I

heard that. Okay, so at the autumn immersive, yes, this guy brought me my chair on the ground days, and he won the the bully. Man, fully. Man, that's it. Sorry, yeah,

Mad Dog. I would call Mad Dog next time I see him, bro, shout out to bully. Awesome guy. Awesome

man. Shout out, bully man. Love you, dude. You're a good dude, but he brought me cuts of my original like, do we call it the kid Matt cut, he brought me the original cherry on a grande that did all my breeding with and so I now have six, six or seven cherry on a grandes in gasoline alley. They're about five feet tall, man. So this plant is so good. It's so terpy and loud and bright citrus fruit. Cherry just so good. And Corona Grande is Chimera two across the very cherry. Chimera two is beliefs. And very cherry is Humboldt counties. But the very cherry that I used was unbelievably terpy for for the fruit side, terpiest plant I'd ever had was this very cherry, and I started breeding it with lots of different things. And we commercially grew the cherry on a grande here in Oklahoma for just a short time. And then the the Grow actually got closed down. But I'm going to be breeding those again and doing a seed increase, and making s ones of cherry on a grande, the original cut. And then I also had, from summer, a cherianna grande across the peach pistols. I don't even have a name for it, but have you ever had turple? What is it? Turbo 17, I think they call it something like that. I've heard turple Pie something. There's a turple Terp, and it's Orangey. Real, real orangey, maybe a hint of cinnamony back there. Somehow you smoke some of it at the autumn immersive, the rosin, the cherry on the ground across the beach, pistols produced this very orangey cherry, citrusy thing, and I just smoked some of it today, but I've kept the clones of that plant because it's so good. Even Warren from Scissortail solventless, who is a processor, whenever we smoked on it, the first time we had cracked the bottle from on the hat, on the on the hash rosin, he was like, Dude, this flavor is so unique. It's so orangey and delicious. I'm like, it is. So it's a really good plant for some good turf that's coming around again this year. And I've got enough plants of it that I probably will try to put it at s1 also. Now, you're right. I've always done a lot of fruity stuff, because I love fruity stuff. I did the blueberry has some great results for blueberry I had, I tell you what? Jordan, I don't know if I told you this, but there's a guy, Jen traders is the guy on Instagram, but he DMed me one a couple months ago, saying, Hey, Did you are you the creator of grape jelly? And I was like, Yeah, I did that one he and he said, that's the best blueberry he's ever tasted Since 20 years ago, and that grape jelly is DJ shorts, blueberry F at f5 cross to Humboldt County's blueberry muffin. So you got the two top blueberry guys, you know, the blueberry muffin and DJ shorts put together, and it came out really, really good. So had some great success with the blueberries. I moved on into these cherry Terps with this very cherry that I've got it, it produces extremely loud Turkey plants, even in veg, the chariot grande produces great Terp plants. But we got into me and Kid Mac, shout out to kid Mac, shout out to at Fat beard pothead and shout out to Warren scissor towel solid. We've got into some stinkers now, man, we got a we got a GMO across the cap junkie that produce some very good, you know, stinky, offensive GMO rosin that I've almost smoked all of mine already. I gotta get some more. But, man, it produced great rosin. So I want to maybe get into a couple of stinkers. Because we me and Rob Warren scissor tail, we've always talked about getting a getting a stinker going, because we like the fruities. But so he, he bought this GM, he got this GMO across the cab junkie in clones, and we grew it out, washed it, pressed it, smoked it. It's so good. I'm sure that, you know, if you smelled it, you'd be like, Yeah, that's a great GMO. And I'm sure there's lots of gmoers out there who were who could say, well, that's lean. That GMO leans this way, you know, and not this way. I don't know enough about GMOs. I only know it stays in your nose. You know your last podcast was talking about duck confit. Oh yeah, the girl that did that, she lived in Oklahoma, and have you not met Christina? I'm surprised you haven't. I have not met her. I have not met her that I'm aware of, or maybe I have, and I just don't have, no, I don't think we'll

have to, yeah, we'll have to put this together, the meeting of the minds, yeah, that'd be fantastic. Yeah, and, and you had some of that, didn't I did some of that under your nose. Yes,

it's, it was, it was a, come on, tell, tell the people I want to start with the after taste, the. After taste was like, a a burnt car, swampy thing, like, like, There's nothing good about it, except, you know, it's cannabis. You're like, that's unbelievable. I can get that stinky, you know, or gross, or whatever, dude. I love the direction it went. I love that, that ranch, that ranch is in this GMO, not as raunchy as duck, comfy, but, but it was the raunchiest I go for. It's

different GMOs. GMO is way more palatable dude to me. GMO, like, the only raunchy part of GMO is, like, it smells kind of like body odor, you know, but, but, you know what body odor really borders on calyx, which is a which is delicious, onions. Oh, yeah, body odor and onions are all are very, very very close to each other when you're smelling something, and one makes you kind of Gag, and the other is a is a delicious ground vegetable that we all know and love. So, you know, I would say GMO is definitely a funky strain. I'm not sure I would consider it foul, because it's, it's pretty palatable to me. It smells like, like, yummy, like, onions, yeah,

you know, if you gave that GMO to my wife to smell, it'll snap her head back. She'd be like, Oh my gosh, that's disgusting. You know what I'm saying? So to the to the outside world, that junk stinks really, really bad, like, it doesn't smell good to them. Do you like blue cheese? I love some Rocco Fert, I guarantee. Yeah, baby, listen, you put blue cheese

under some people's nose and they'll have a freak out. Yeah, I love so I love blue cheese, man, sauerkraut, kimchi, all that. Come

on. I love all that, dude. When I went, I went to Spain a few years ago for school, and we went up into these hills to this monastery where they made cheese, and the cheese logs that they showed us had just shrunk in the middle, because maggots were eating it. And they're like, it's delicious. Eat the maggots. It's got the cheese in it. And dude, we were eating that cheese. I didn't eat a lot, but ate a couple little dillies worth, and those maggots were alive, but it was stinky, but creamy, sweet when you ate. Oh, pretty

gnarly. Yeah. I was like, I like, gorgonzola. And then you tell the worm story, what the hell

no, that's crazy. Good. Stinky Cheese isn't yummy. You think it's a coincidence

that you ate those worms and then now you're you're compelled to breed black soldier fries. Do you think that's just a coincidence? Or you think that they

No, dude, but I loved it. I remember when I was seeing it, I remember I remember I was fascinated with it. I'm like, Oh, look at this. This is crazy. They're eating our food and we're eating them eating our food. Oh, my goodness, wow. You want to do that with a black soldier fly? That is really

interesting, though. Man, I would definitely. I would have to take a bite of the cheese, of course. But, uh, okay, so you got some funkier stuff that you might be working on, I remember you telling me about that. That's fantastic. And anything else, as far as breeding updates, any other teasers, let's see. I've got anything you're buying. You said you were buying seeds. Are you buying any cannabis seeds? So

no, I don't usually buy. Dude, I have bought like you do. I'm sure I have boxes and boxes and boxes just full of seeds that have come through trades. Have come through purchases of me, but often it's just people saying, Hey, you want to trade? Like, yeah, dude, I'll send you some. Send me some where people breed my stuff. Send me seeds back from to me and things like that. You know, being real nice. So I don't really ever grow other people's stuff I do. I can't say that I do every once in a while, but I can't even remember last thing I grew, like, from seed, from somebody else. I always grow my own stuff, because I'm I'm breeding, and I'm like, Okay, so what's next? You know, in gasoline alley, I've got, I've got what we call legendary cherry, which is legend, which is cherry on the ground. They cross the beach, pistols cross back to cherry on the ground day, and they were red seeds. But I found beautiful, two beautiful females, and I've got them going. So there's a lot of my own stuff that I create in the summertime that gets, typically gets grown out and flowered in the wintertime. But this is the first time in a while that I didn't flower in winter because of said circumstances with the breakers and stuff. But, um, breaker breakers, the one thing that I always would like to grow is that blueberry muffin from Humboldt County. Dude. I just freaking love that taste of that sucker. Oh yeah. It always, it always delivers, yeah, people love that. That's a good one. You know, there's a purple fino and a green fino. I don't know if people I didn't never know this still, a few years ago, but I knew this was happening, but I didn't know, like, everybody knew it was happening. There's, like, a green fino and a purple fino, and one plant will be green the whole time. The buds not very colorful, but it's the most blueberry smelling. And then you get the purple Pheno which has these pretty purple buds, and it's not as strong as the green phenome. And you will see both of those if you grow out enough packs of blueberry muffins, and you'll start to see it. I've run out many packs of

that. That's awesome. I would love to see you get some more blueberry going. All of your blueberry work is really delicious, so can't get enough. Would love to see more. So what's coming up for this year? Obviously, we have the natural farming immersive. Yeah, tickets are on sale for day one right now@growcast.com now if you came to last year's, don't grab tickets for day one. We got a special offer for you guys on day two for return. Saying, folks. But if you heard about the natural farming immersive, and you didn't make it, come on down to day one, you will absolutely love it. It's an incredible class. I look forward to it, thinking about it all the time. And we were just talking about how we're going to improve it, make it even better. Yeah, so come on down, everybody. Grow cast.com. You can grab the tickets right now. But other than the class, Alex, what else is going on this year we've done, let's

see the our I've done all of Matt powers shows our soil, our future. Um, the last one, I think you can still watch it for free at our soil mine. I did my composting mind manure for healthy mental soil was what I talked about. And just talk again. Talk about mental health. It was a big issue in my life, and I think it's important for me to constantly be aware of my mental health. And so I wanted to just give everybody a heads up at the beginning of the year that counseling is always a good thing. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy changed my life. And then just helping others get you out of your own head, just finding somebody who needs some help, go helping them, you're going to feel better about yourself already, and so I got enjoy getting to do some talks like that. I'll probably be doing that, the mushroom festival coming up again this year. That's always a good one. I can't wait. Yeah, you're always here. You're always at that one. It's a good one, man. It's way worth it. Those mushrooms and cool stuff like that. Some are growing, man, we might try to do a couple of little classes out here at my house for local people just when gardening starts to happen. You know, just having a 20 or $50 deal coming out showing you what to do, taking home some things, and just really, really, it's just honing in my own teaching skills, is what it would be, and getting my neighbors to get going. Oh, that's one, that's one thing, Dude, I got my neighbor going, getting into, getting into organic gardening. Yeah, this is the guy that hooked me up with cannabis when it was illegal. The only dude that knew I used cannabis was this cat that lives over here by me, and now I'm teaching him how to grow hug mongus plants, because he got a taste of hasher eyes. And I told him last summer. I was like, listen, we're going to grow some fatties, and you're going to grow my strings, and we're going to have it washed, and you're going to learn how to smoke crossing. And dude, he has totally switched over. He's got his bangers and his blow torches and his DAB tools now, and he don't ever swim flower anymore, but we're, I'm teaching him how to he's made IMO one, he's made IMO three, he's made fermented plant extract labs, JLF, he's just getting into it. You know, he's at that stage where it's like, everything is a is a new avenue of exploration. And it's so fun, the knowledge you can gain at this stage anyway, it's fun teaching him. So that's something new he's going to have. I've showed his garden a couple times on some stories on Instagram, but we'll see some results that he's going to get from grown naturally. Now we've been working as we've been working his garden for months now. I've been showing him how to crack up all his acorns, peans, you know, getting them in the soil, keeping his leaves, making labs, dumping it all over. So it's it's going to be fun. It's going to be a good little experiment, getting

new people started. Man, that's what it's all about. Yeah? So much right now, dude, yeah, it's important, man, super important to get that spreading. So spread it like wildfire, man, I love to hear it. Where can people find you? Where can people follow you? This episode was awesome, as usual. Heck, yeah, and yeah, where can my people find you? Well,

first of all, your people always have, and I don't ever say this enough, Jordan, always forget, and I apologize your people and my people, the Grow cast nation, they have codes that you can use on my web page. Yes, let me

give them out correctly. Go ahead. Code grow cast will save you 10% at okca, Alex shop.com and members have a special code in the Patreon there that gets you 20% off site wide. So people have been crushing those deals and stacking with the code. Man, yeah. Super, super. Thank you for giving my members a 20%

off code, yes. And thank you to your members for coming to my place and looking around shopping. And you know, if I ever put like, like, I put a good deal up during Christmas, I gave 50 seeds away for 50 bucks, 25 fans, 25 regs. And you know, you buy that for 50 bucks, and then you use a 25 discount code, man,

received, yeah, heck of a deal. People love that shit,

dude. And if you're a breeder like me, dude, then number one, I have a principle in life to be generous. So, and if you're a breeder, you have so many seeds that you get to be generous. And so you're doing seeds like that, that that is, that's something fun that you you get your genetics to people. You make them happy. Yeah, you make a little bit of money, but that's super duper, duper cheap on good genetics. So, so don't miss out on my sales. Man, I make them cheap, and I give you a lot of stuff. I send lots of freebies. I send you seeds, I send you stuff that I don't mention at all. You get all kinds of cool, fun stuff in my boxes. Go to okcalc shop.com, check out the genetics. Check out the inputs. Go to Instagram, okay. Calix, okay. Calix genetics. My email is okay. Call its@gmail.com you might hear the common theme of Okay. Alex, it's pretty easy, man, okay, Calex and everything. Another thing that our biodiversity live show, I want to mention it. It's on in my beneficials YouTube page on Friday nights at eight central me and my beneficials rubber ducky isa pods get together and talk to wonderful people like Jordan. He was on two weeks ago with us. Did a excellent show. He brought the the Grow cast nation with him. We had a great audience. He did some excellent just simple helps, tips and tricks for your grow and and I learned a ton. It was really good show. So go watch our new our or not our new, but our YouTube show on in my beneficials YouTube page. Friday nights, eight Central, we had some great guests on there. Hell yeah, brother and man, that's about it. My goodness, that's a lot, man, it's all okay. Alex, again, what a fun talk.

Great episode. Man, I can't thank you enough. I'm super excited about this year. Keep crushing it. Keep crushing it. With the with the natural inputs, with the breeding, with the show. We appreciate you and all

you do, you too. Man, I appreciate you a whole lot. You got it? See

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to have you there. I hope I can. I know that we're playing. We're trying. There's a plan in a place to maybe do it. We're already

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the one thing that I don't like to do when I'm growing plants is have a long veg because I feel like, after a while, you're asking for it. You know, it's like the like, eventually something's coming your way. You.