So it's a great question, and it is probably similar to what others before me have said, right? It's, it is a lot of self awareness. I do some deep breathing when I start feeling like, Oh, I'm actually feeling your anxiety. I'm not just aware of it, right? I'm feeling your pain. I'm not just aware of it. Um, I do ground myself more in the session. I know you and I had worked with our therapy animals in the program when we were doc students and master student, and I still have a therapy animal now that helps with the vicarious trauma a little bit. Um. Yeah, and when I when I really feel like I'm taking on too much, I literally do those reminders of like I can't work harder than the client. Also, respecting the process is incredibly important in any kind of interpersonal violence. Work is to understand that this is a years long thing. Some people, I mean, it's sometimes it sounds shitty to say, but it's the truth. If there is physical violence, it's easier to prove and it's easier to say. This gets worse and worse. Now, a lot of times, the physical violence might start when someone's trying to leave a narcissist, or it may ramp up even for any regular abuser as well. So it's important to remember that this is a cycle and a process. The victim or survivor is the only person. They are the expert, ultimately, and they're the only person who can decide with any real hypothesis that could be accurate, like, when is the best, safest time for me to leave? We can talk about that in therapy, and we can, we, like, make guesses, and I wonder this, and I wonder that, and we can make a plan. Are there cameras in the house? Do we need to turn off the power do we need? Like, what do we need to do to make sure you safely get out? What would be in your way from that question to When they actually leave? Could be years, right? You might have a physical plan of like, you'll get your friends, you'll turn off the cameras, you'll do this, you'll do that. You'll execute Get What You Can GTFO right? However, they have to make sure that they are protecting their lives. A lot of times, the lives of their children or their family members might have been threatened at this point. There are lots of other factors going into this that we want to address and understand as a clinician, and that also helps a lot of times, I think a clinician maintain that distance of like this is not for me to push this client to change in this way. A lot of times, what we want to see when you're working with a narcissist, a person who's got experiencing narcissistic abuse, is insight. I want to teach you skills how to manage your life and get through your day a little bit easier. I want to teach you about gray rocking, which is where we just don't give any supply, keep our answers dry. You'll see and you'll notice specifically, you I'm talking about Mickey too, because you would notice, you know, that I'm more like loud and bubbly and whatever, right? And so if I'm around a narcissist, you'll see me deadpan. And so if I think someone's a narcissist, that's what you're going to see from me, and you're gonna be like, Oh, okay, but that's, that's what I want to teach my clients. I want to practice those skills with them, because the more they're able to do that, the more stability they have internally. So this is not a question you asked quite yet, but I think it is important to understand that the big dynamic we see with people who end up being victimized by narcissists is that they are generally completely empathetic people. They can be incredibly smart. They normally are. They are normally wonderful, empathetic, loving people, and that's why they get caught up with a narcissist, because they often end up making excuses and like, Oh, I understand you kind of exploded because of your childhood, and you're going to get better. I know that because I got better too, like, I used to get angry sometimes, and now I've learned these coping skills and things like that, right? They give them a lot of credit, a lot of the doubt, a lot of understanding, and that gets weaponized against them, right? There are things that we hear often from the mouth of a narcissist like you, of all people should understand, right? And that's just weaponizing your own strengths against you and cutting you down. But when you understand the complexities of narcissistic abuse and how enmeshed they get in someone's life and head and heart, then and bank account, right like there's so much more to to that whole story and process, to be able to, like, I'm going to have the patience here. This takes years to get out right, and that helps me create some more therapeutic distance between me and the client too. Is like, I my agenda is to keep you safe, and if safety right now means you stay with this person for another multiple years, then we're let's try to navigate how to keep you as safe as possible in that situation. Yeah, right, and that's the truth of it, because it's not, it's not something that's like, Just pack up and go. That's not real sick. And like I said before, that can have real and terrible consequences for someone as. Especially if we're considering custody at all of an animal, even remind just