26Aug21 Community Call

9:55PM Sep 6, 2021

Speakers:

Jeff Barnum

Louisa Barnum

Tim Kennedy

Lorraine Smith

Sue Barnum

Mary

Keywords:

feel

world

thought

steiner

rushing

rapids

emerging

image

question

challenging

life

experience

check

form

people

seed pod

shared

path

louisa

vaccinated

According. So welcome everybody, we have a little alarm that goes off at the five minute mark to remind me to record them so

as to get on with the presentation instead of chatting

and get on with the call. We've had a busy week here with a birthday and one of our family members going overseas for a while and and other family members visiting and a lot. But I did feel like we could reason I just talked and we thought we could pick up from where we were last week on this question of the higher self and the phenomena of the higher self. And in my own experience, this is something that it's a never ending path of learning you never, you know, it's not something you nailed down, it's just something you increasingly get to know. But I think conversing about it, and exploring it together can be really fruitful for all of us. So um, so I would invite your check in and I want to, I want to just save five minutes at the end for some announcements. So that we because the reason are going to start to transition to another way of thinking about this and want to pass some ideas over to you and see how they land. Just a few things. Louisa not not to lay out the whole roadmap, but just a few things. So let's do a quick check in how are you showing up today? What's on your mind. And let's go from there.

Oh, get the rain.

I missed last week. I missed you guys. I thought about you. I was on a track in guest Basie. Which is a mountainous revery region not far from here. Well, about a 10 hour drive.

And I'm back.

And so I'm showing up with my soul still in the kind of watering swimming hole of a waterfall and my body missing it. I'm really struggling to re enter feeling very like like the Scarecrow and that scene after the crows get out of them and pull them all apart and the Wizard of Oz and then Dorothy is trying to help put a stuffing back in. My stuffing is nowhere close to where my shell is. So yeah, just feeling really weird. And the pandemic stuff. It's a similar vibe here like getting a lot of pressure around, falling in line with which what feels like something straight out of an Orwell novel. I'm not stepping into it, but I'm having to field a lot of strange energy from people I love very much. So it's a peculiar time and I'm also feeling very loved and supported by like Unusual Suspects or different corners of my life and feeling very healthy and well. So yeah, that's where I'm at. It was strange space. Thank you. baray. Awesome.

I come in with a lot of Sebastopol energy. For years I've, every time I'm here, I, I feel like I want to move here. And then I go home and I'm just fine again. But the Orwellian situation is really bothering me. I'm isolated in Santa Fe, because everybody's afraid of me. Even though I'm on ivermectin, they don't believe that that's useful. And I'm feeling very, sort of left out and shoved over into a corner. And it it really makes me want to move here and at least be near Jeff and Luis as long as they're here. And so I started looking at rental property and, and I of course, I do what I always do. I have my own standard library at home when I'm here I peruse theirs. And I've been reading every spare minute trying to take in as much as I can. And of course we've had some wonderful conversations. So that's asking the universe for signs. Somebody wanted to buy my house in Santa Fe. She couldn't afford it. She's backed out. I can't lower the price at, you know, I have to have that much money out of it. And I'm sure I can get it. But I it's just a, it's a sort of a time of upheaval. And as uncertainty. So I'm just listening a lot. And really enjoyed being here.

Thank you. So, Tim, you were next.

Yeah. I'm also currently a little bit buzzy in my head more than I have been in a while. And that's frustrating. There's definitely a lot of poles of the forces of polarity near in Portland as well, we had to a board member of the local branch of this anthroposophical society go rogue and post a letter in resignation on the overall news newsletter that, you know, claimed that the Waldorf schools are being Nazis for saying that they were happy that one of their students got the $100,000 grant won the grant for as a lottery for being vaccinated. And they lost it that that was then you know, just the polarization on both sides has really been alarming. alarming. And so I've been working on creating a facilitated conversation space for how we get past polarization and practice. And working on the the annual conference called Building the Temple of the heart this year, and we were really pushed hard to have in person gatherings regionally. And so that's also a really big push of how are we going to host 40 people and 40 plus people in Portland, when the state's likely going to be shut down again by then, and how we, we hold that space? And and, yeah, just the mandate just came out from the governor, that the all health care workers and now all teachers must be vaccinated. Though, all of the teachers and health care workers I know that are not vaccinated and don't want to be vaccinated are really planning their conscientious objector ship model of creating non legal care for our children and for people that are struggling. And so it's an interesting, it's an interesting place to try and work for balance and centeredness and to not get pulled one way or another.

Thank you, Tim. I've been it's on jury duty Monday and Tuesday. So that was challenging, trying to be present and sort of listening from an alternate waiting room to the people being interviewed. And as surprised how just about everyone interviewed. To be on the jury had some experience of violence or burglary or even gunpoint type of situations, it sort of opened up a picture of our society. It gave me the opportunity to read more of Rudolf steiners perspectives on technology and some of that is related to Guardian science and I just read a chapter on electricity and that was challenging for me where Steiner was referring to add As evil and I just it was, I sort of learned that you know, you, some things just don't fit. There'll be another time when it does. All the chapters are different inside. I'm really thankful to be reading that at the moment. And it's challenging. Yeah. So maybe I should go deeper into Guardian science. So it isn't just a quick read type of situation.

Thank you, Mary. I'll check in real quick because Jeff is basically running this call today. And I'm doing well. I'm sad about my daughter. Leaving makes it really hard when the world has gone. batshit crazy. It's our baby scuse my French. So that's really that has been really hard. And very, all consuming. We only heard this morning that she got her Swedish residency permit. So we are adjusting as a family. And yeah, but otherwise, otherwise good. Glad for the fall coming. Because it just brings a lot of the livening head forces in that I need because the summer you're just way out there. And it's very hard to think when it's so hot. So that's my chicken. Cool.

So as you all checked in I was, I was noting the references to steiners work and thinking about moraine who may or may not know anything about Steiner, I'm wondering what is going through your mind. It's a longer conversation, but

I guess I'm reflecting as we, as we just you know, checking in that I fully buy into the observation that if we don't include consciousness in our worldview, we cannot understand the world, because the world comes to light in our consciousness. And our consciousness is part of the phenomenon as part of reality. And I think that was steiners. If you had to boil it down, you would say that that would be one of his key contributions is cracking that tough night in historical philosophy that had painted itself into a corner because it was trying to solve the riddle of thinking without the phenomena of thinking.

And

the same time is a tough, it's a tough beginning point. Because we're so used to and conditioned to thinking about reality and the world, but not noticing our part and not noticing our own thinking and our own perception as constructing that reality. And I think that's, that's a statement that has just many, many layers. You know, when people say you create your own reality, well, that has some truth to it. And the way that our consciousness and our bodies and so forth is we as human beings are constructed at this point in our development and our evolution. There's a lot at stake, we are able to destroy each other and nature and the world, which is a very peculiar, singular kind of phenomenon. And the responsibility that comes with that is both terrifying and exciting. So So I think we're just in an exciting time to be alive and, and I want to, I want to dive into that from one angle today returning to this question of really, how, how can we grow in our conference? Since that we are

how can we go? How can we grow our ability to free ourselves from compulsion. And so I just want to dive in there and pick up from last week, talk about a few ideas, and then and then continue our dialogue. Let me make sure that I'm going to start from the right place. So.

So last week, one of the images that came up was that in the everyday personality in the everyday life, it's possible to experience a kind of oscillation between happy and satisfied. And maybe that's not a bad thing. But you know, it's possible to experience this, this oscillation between happy and sad, good for me, bad for me. And that, while on the one hand, that's really important, because it's it's part of our structure, it's part of our history, it's part of our evolution. And it's part of survival and, and self care to know when something is bad for me or good for me. On the other hand, it can be an obstacle, if we don't include but also transcend that. And so the search for good for me and the running away from bad from the can can also have its pathological side, because we're just sort of trapped in the perennial search fueled by fear from the media and desire from from advertising to constantly be some better version of ourselves to constantly be happier, to constantly be better, more fulfilled. And that can be a trap, in that we just keep chasing that. And on the other hand, we can also, there's other people who, you know, they're, they're trapped is more of like, I'm a terrible person, and I'll never make it. Life isn't meant for me, I can't find love, you know, blah, blah, blah. And so there's this picture, it's not very well presented here. But there's a, there's a picture that we talked about last time, and I used some images out of modern art to, you know, just express the spectrum between self entrapment self

decay,

sadness, emotions at this end of the spectrum or on the other hand, elation, almost almost hysterical, like this painting is this is an extreme form, this is an extreme expression, to just make the point that it's, it's a thing to be on this spectrum and not realize that you're being compelled from within. And, and it's not a free place. And so we then we then began to ask, I mean, we can begin to ask, Well, what does it look like to observe the self, not as being tossed around on this pendulum between, you know, satisfied and unsatisfied or fulfilled and unfulfilled, or these dichotomies, or whatever it is, but to see, to see the self to, to behold a part of reality that is free from that compulsion. And so, in the course, we're contrasting that as the, as the AI versus the personality, the persona, the knee, the identity and the self. Which may not be the best way to frame it. But it's, it's just worth contemplating that there is in the human being Being that shines in us, that illuminates us, like that light pouring through the window. That is not our identity or are constructed sense of self. And this is the this is one of the secrets, that it's the heart of the heart of many Mystery Schools throughout the, throughout the ages is what is the human being? What are we experiencing? And how, how is it that it's possible that we continually transform over time. And the schools of some of the ancient schools that included reincarnation, for example, and then that, that was lost for a while, and the Christian, Middle Ages, and in the modern times, asked the question of well, if we are all together, continually appearing on this earth, and and, and dying, and then having experiences of spiritual beings and so on, you know, what is this? What are we all going through? And really, it comes down to in a certain from a certain point of view, what are we creating out of this opportunity that we have? What are we what are we creating? What are we seeing, what are we not seeing? And this, you know, speaking personally, this has taken me on a journey to feel like I'm here now, for many reasons, you know, to be here for others, to see what's happening to participate in what's happening in the world, but but also to personally develop and personally metamorphose. And as I do that, and I know that this is true for the reason in a different way, you can speak for yourself, but we're always kind of living into what is what is emerging from the future, as Otto scharmer put it, what possibilities and potentials are emerging or nascent that that we can observe and pay attention to, and be in tune with, and

acknowledge

that acknowledgement is, is a key because in that acknowledgement is not a lot of certainty. It's not a new cell for a new identity. But it is acknowledging that acknowledgement is a way to say, Oh, I don't have all the answers, all right, I'm not stuck infinitely or permanently, I'm not trapped. There's always this possibility for something new and something next. And I am emphasizing that because I think that is a very common experience in today's world. But it is also quickly overwritten by fear and uncertainty and enmity and division and vaccinated or unvaccinated or, you know, whatever the division divisiveness of the decade is, you know, and abortion and non abortion, black, white, gay, straight, it's always something but but quiet all that down and there is this this love for each other in this in this imperative to see each other. So, so leaves me with the question of how, how you travel in your life to how you live in your life, to constantly perceive that emerging future, that possibility of being that is not yet it's it's always emerging. And it's it's not defined or trapped or unfolded in the past. So I wanted to just hear your perspectives on that, because it helps us know how do you experience this? As my sister said, This week, she said the flowers always unfolding it's just a beautiful image, you know? So what are the images and experiences that that that come up for you when you put yourself For when you ask that question of what is your, what is that higher self? Or what is that emerging future? And how do you experience it? And I'm especially interested in the phenomenology of this and the phenomena of it so that we can just listen to how we're each experiencing this. I have lots to say, but I feel like I always go first. Oh, Mary, were you about to say something? Oh, yeah. But oh, go.

I've noticed and especially in recent years, that if I'm really attentive, and not just in a rush, overlooking things, that things will cross my path. And when I say similar things, cross my path four or five times, then I know that I really need to pay attention, or it's sort of breadcrumbs or whatever, leading me to an emerging future. And and it's especially important not to make judgments about what those things are. Like, are there elementals? Or aren't there, whatever, have not question those things as they come up. And so I'm thankful that I have the time to that I'm not rushed. And I can sort of see these things as they come in different ways and from different directions.

I love that breadcrumb. I wish there was a breadcrumb reaction in.

I was gonna say, I feel like I'm like in kindergarten, in terms of the vocabulary and skill set, to respond to the question, but in other ways, I feel like I've shown up at a school that I've been in, in my whole life or something. So I have this funny feeling of like, learning a new skill that I've had my whole life. And I guess I'll just draw on a particular example from last week. And Jeff, you've been using a couple of weeks ago when I forget exactly how you let us into it. But you were talking about thinking and willing. And then the difference between thinking and thought seeing. And I've thought a lot about farting is I think it's a fascinating observation. And I had a chance to be in my head a lot last week, like I was with a group of people. But then I was also sometimes just on my own, even with that group, so lots of time to think and to thought. And I noticed a lot of thought. But then another thing that I saw that I thought so I was in the mountains or like worn down is the Canadian part of the Appalachian Trail see picture. the Appalachians are like worn down old mountains. And there's a lot of streams. And sometimes the streams are just tiny little trickles. Sometimes they're big enough that you could fully immerse yourself in. And I spent some time fully immersed in some of these streams. And sometimes there's rapids, so little waterfalls, and or rapids. And I feel like rapids are the ultimate life lesson. And I kept seeing them over and over because on the one hand, it's rushing, right like the waters moving really fast, hence the name but on the other hand, it's rushing over something that staying still IE rock. And so you have at the same time this like rapid passage and this utter solidity or stability over millennia and you know, eventually those rocks were down, but for my lifetime, it's a stable thing. And sometimes I actually got right in the rapids like one of our camps. We were right beside a rapid and it had been super, super hot. And I basically just like, took my clothes off and crawled into the rabbit. So I was one of the rocks for a little while. Um, and on the one hand is just a really nice feeling like it's fun. You know, it's invigorating physically. But on the other hand, it feels like these words sound so dumb. It doesn't matter, it feels like being bathed in life. Like, the life pneus is like sinking into my bones. It's so cold, that it's happening all through me. And it's so fast. The noise is so loud for the rapids that it's like penetrating my ears. And yeah, somebody's knocking at the door, which I may or may not go to. But anyway, so I just I guess I'm just describing the experience without any conclusions, and trusting that a lot of trusting, like, I don't know what's going on. Um, there really is somebody pounding on my door, so to excuse myself, and trust that whatever is emerging is the right breadcrumb.

That was really cool. I wish I could read, you know, that gives me a very visceral feeling of water freezing cold rushing over me. And experiencing life life forces. Yeah, like, Oh, I want to go find a waterfall. You know, that was very cool. Yeah, I think the the really challenging thing about the space is inaud. You know, as you're freeing yourself of compulsion, you're, you're truck you're more and more able to sense the emerging future. But at the same time, the less you're able to free yourself of your compulsion, that the less you're able to sense the emerging future. So there's always this dynamic balance going on and the graduate of scales, you know, tip, if you can, but keep moving forward in terms of making progress and growing, outgrowing your habits. And it's a very challenging space to be because it's like a soap opera, you never quite know. When the next you know, it's like, we're coming to the end of the episode. And there's some drama that's going to come in right at the very end, and then we don't know we're on Tinder hooks, will they make it? You know, it's a bit like that and sensing into the emerging future. It Yeah, it's like sailing across an ocean. You're at the mercy of the weather and the ocean and the monsters and the fragile boat. Yeah. But it's a very beautiful journey, because the boat has been made in accordance with the laws of nature, so it can float, and it can sail and it can hold together. Anyway, but that's what came up for me.

It's hard for me to know where I am. In terms of my freedom from compulsions I feel really open as to

where

I'm calls. And my question is always where where am I most useful? Work? Where can I? Where can I put my energies toward the world to to support and it's Louisa says, the world the coming world, not the world that we're in. Being born world or being born world and I had a board meeting yesterday with the organization that I work with the, among the board of the tomorrow's women when we work with Palestinian Israeli teenage girls, and we just had camp in Israel for the first time. And yet the model from which they are working, is, is so outdated. It's from a paradigm it's not. It's not going to go where they want it to go. And I can see that, but I that I'm the only one with that voice. And, and Jeff said, a couple of months ago, maybe, maybe your time within this is over. And I've been there for 15, almost 16 years. But But I don't have a place here that is calling to me a place to be to be useful to be serving the world. In the same way that I have felt I was useful in this organization. And I don't that doesn't feel like a compulsion. It just feels like part of My Heart Journey. So I'm, I'm still in the place of uncertainty, I'm not uncomfortable there. I'm just there. I I like the way you put that marry the things that come across our paths several times. We we know that that's a breadcrumb, that spirit is dropping again and again and again. I don't have any breadcrumbs. Now Not that I'm aware of. And I've been listening and looking. And I'm I'm not in the pendulum swing of happy and sad. I'm feeling very still. I just still not creative. Although my writing is, is becoming very creative. I'm excited about that. But I can do that anywhere. So that's what comes up for me when you ask the question, Jeff. It's not really much of an answer.

And, and on the path for the emerging future, but I just haven't seen it yet. That's all.

So I just put in the chat. What, what comes up for me because it's so hard to really articulate a lot of this and think obviously, I try a lot to articulate this experience in this process. And I think you guys did some amazing jobs that was right there with you Lorraine in the water. That's one of my places of refueling, for sure is that really holding coming in and being at the same time while in the flow? You know, that thing that's why water carries so much of the right metaphor for life. And the right story for us to look into to find our our flow of self. But there's something about this kinetic sculpture, the way it kind of implodes and explodes at the same time, while being really a piece and that just that slow patient, unfolding and becoming

seems really important to me that it's not a state of being you know that the path isn't the destination, but it's Finding that that that pace for the right scale of momentum along the path has been a challenge for me, because I've been very overly courageous, I'll say, at times, and not as conscientious and careful. Not that I cared less, but was not as sensitive to what, yeah, what was flowing towards me as much as what was flowing out of me. And I think that that is for me that cultivation of more space for perceiving that process is unified, when I experience in the sculpture and and then your question, Jeff,

thank you for sharing those pictures, everyone.

Just the

combination of you know, these, these, these rapids passing over us and through us and, and also the surrender to the gentle opening. You know, those are perfect pictures for for, for a second to contemplate at the end of this call. I want to spend a few minutes just sharing, you know, to dovetail into that, like, what's happening with Louisa and me along this path. Because we all were also wondering, you know, where's the path for our work? And how can we

have that sort of gentle surrender and invite that rushing, rushing life. And so, in the coming in the coming weeks, we're going to finish world maker in a, in a different form than what we had originally planned, we're going to decrease the number of modules to seven. And instead of nine, we're going to finish video three and in Module Three, in video form, do modules four through seven in PDFs, which are mostly already written. And the the gesture here is to kind of finish in version one of world maker and to and to and to gently surrender or or see what it is open it up and let it become what it needs to become. see where it leads us see where this can bear fruit in the world and and start new dialogues and start new energies and seed new conversations and so on like that. So we're we're seeing the need to just sort of pivot a little bit and and look for signs in the world that you know signs of life signs of interest, signs of metamorphosis, we've been reflecting a lot about how COVID has changed the world and COVID hysteria has changed the world and COVID tyranny is changing the world and and what that means for this school, we're not quite sure. And so we're we're, I'm just opening this up to you because I want you all to know and I want the community to know that. We're also feeling the shifts and trying to adjust to the shifts that we're feeling. So right now, that's what we intend to do. That will help shorten and condense the release times it'll help us get to a fully fleshed version of webmaker sooner, and it will help us then I think, as a community kind of sense into what needs to happen here. What else is possible here? How do we talk forward strongly together and that kind of thing. So we're on this, we're on this journey with you. And I just wanted to be, you know, transparent about where we are with that, at least to some degree to let you guys know what we're going through. And that will be making some changes pretty soon. Cool. Can I just reflect a bit on that? Yeah.

I thank you for sharing that. From where I said, I don't see any. Like, that sounds terrific. And, like, I can imagine, do you guys have been planning and had a way you thought it would be. And then this is a pivot, and it's not the way that you thought it would be. And now you're thinking about new ways for it to be. But from my perspective, when I signed up, I didn't really have a way I thought it would be, I just thought, I like the space you're creating. And I've liked more and more the potential to just be in this space. So from where I sit, nothing's changed. It's still a space I want to be in. And the way the information comes to me sounds like like the format is changing, but the substance of what it is isn't? Of course, I don't know what I don't know. And I don't know, I can't experience the path that you were going to make, because now you're going to go down another path. But I, you're right.

It's the same substance. Yeah.

I continue to feel like very happy, if very challenged a customer, if you will. So I just wanted to offer that. Cool.

Thank you. All right. I think that's, that's good to hear. I think, you know, just so you know, everything is laid out and willmaker is it has its own integrity, right. It's not like it, we invented it, right, we just put it into a particular form. So that we could give it so we can bring it into the world in some kind of digestible way. So but it's it represents, you know, our life's work, to bring this into some kind of this thing that is much bigger than us, that doesn't really come from us. But maybe we helped to give it form. This, it's an ongoing, it's an ongoing evolution, that it runs through us kind of thing. It has its own integrity as what I'm saying. So we we continue to hunt in a very creative processi way, for the right form, the right way of reading it, and it has required of us some very radical pivots, and learning and pushed us through very radical personal metamorphosis, and in skin shedding. And we'll continue to do that because the pandemic has really changed things a great deal in ways that we we didn't necessarily understand. So we're on the hunt for the right mix form. So feedback ideas, your own impressions. All of that is really helpful. Because, you know, we are we have lots of ideas, and we have bread crumbs. And but we're really we're really listening for what can really serve, because that's what we're interested, you know. Yeah. So that's what I that's my invitation to, you know, share the kind of thing you just shared it around because it's very helpful to us to hear that there's more Feel free to share your email or down the line, however, yeah, whenever an hour. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm genuinely excited about the possibility to really get get on with the course. And, and feel like there's there's a way to take it all then even, even if it was an outline in sketch form in a way that begins to be digestible and it feels like another invitation to go to go into and go through and really listen for what The routes of collaboration and co evolution are most often for you all. And that's, that feels really heartwarming and inspiring. So thank you guys for for cracking yourselves open enough to, to see this observing.

Yeah. Thanks, Tim in the rain. I appreciated the perhaps the original thinking that was a long process because we need that time. But I'm just appreciating the image of a seed pod that a friend shared with me in terms of the way of working that distributes the seed more widely. So it feels like what you're embarking on now is more of a tighter, like a seed pod that can go further, perhaps because of that, because not everyone wants to enroll in the long course and journey. And someone else I worked with, I think, talk about when a seed pod cracks, there's this agitation. So maybe COVID, maybe the forces that we're experiencing now are part of that sort of agitation that will release the seeds. Yeah, I like that image. That's very good. Yeah. Yeah.

I like the same pod. metaphor is well, and it feels like it's cracking open and making more of the course available to us. Although Lorraine, I think it was us, it reminded us that we were doing the course as we went up on our, on our phone calls. And that, that I feel as you do around, that nothing's really changed for me. And I look forward to being in this space. And I'm so grateful for it. And feel like I can support you guys wherever you need to take this

whole cool. We don't quite know where that's going to be yet. But we're looking forward to discovering that we got to finish the painting and then we'll see what it looks like.

All right, everybody. Well, let's do a check out. Yeah, yeah. I'm checking out with this image of a seat Park which I think is perfect. I drew a little drawing of it. You have to show us

Ah, that maybe I can imagine myself as the same pod

go agitated,

breaking out. Yeah, with all the pressures that are around me. And and then maybe what I have to offer can can go where it needs to go.

I also Louisa, in what you shared thought about Polynesian navigators how they make the boat together and set off in just that sort of process of knowing through the stars or the currents. Being able to tell where you are. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm leaving with this the the image of a combination of the seed pod and the fragile boat same notion because the boat appears to be very fragile And uncertain. But if you are in tune with the periphery, the stars and in your intuition, and you're feeling your cognitive feeling for what's coming, you can squeak through. Even though if you appear outwardly so helpless, right? but inwardly, that's where the navigational tools actually reside, that's where the strength needs to be not in the boat, not in the sea pod. So that's the, the imagination of the stone in the rushing. We all loved that image. Lorraine, but you were gone right to open your door. It's a very powerful image of the absolute stillness of the rock with the violence of the rushing raspberry Xin.

Yeah, very soon.

Yeah. So it's all it's all relevant these metaphors. As much check out. Well, I'm

glad the rapids resonated. I'm kind of checking out where I picked in maybe still a bit drifting, foggy headed. But also aware that this is what it feels like to move towards the emerging future, like trusting. trusting the process, and not even needing to know which 1am i right now? Am I the solid rock or the rushing water? It's like the same thing. They equal the rapids. If you take them apart, they're not the thing. And just kind of being a bit drowned in the noise. Like, oh, yeah, that's that's beautiful noise that life makes hard to hear overtop of

it, but noise in life. Yeah.

So. And oh, but I also wanted to just quickly say, Jeff, you asked about Steiner. And I want to say I, I feel like I've met him at a few parties. But we don't know each other that well. my closest friends are anthroposophists. And so I've like absorbed anthroposophy through these good friends of mine, all of whom happened to be Brazilian. So there's this whole other like cultural and linguistic reality attached to my understanding of Steiner and anthroposophy and spiral dynamics and all these other things. So yeah, I thought I'd throw that out there. It's not I'm not super versed. But I, you know, we know each other enough to kind of nod and wink at parties, if you will. Very cool. Thank you to the rain.

I love the nod and wink at parties.

It may be one way my might be like, oh, there's Steiner. He's very nice again.

Let's hear from Tim. As a checkout too.

Yeah, I mean, I posted my checkout in the chat process of the time. That's, yeah. Yeah. Just like, you know that the work to get to the seed of the dandelion, I think is really so magical to go out into the sun. I need to show you this. Hang on.

That wasn't, that was me. I went there to just talking to me, I turned it off.

That's all right. I sent that. I sent my own interruption across the interwebs. Yeah, so maybe that's what I'm feeling also is a

lot going on right now. And some people are constrained to go for a long. Hold on. Oh, that was so good. Yeah.

Yeah, a lot going on right now. We're gonna have to pause. Just like the video says. Wow. Amazing. Thanks, everyone.

Thanks for showing up.

Thank you.

Thank you people. soon. Take care. Bye Bye. Take care. See you soon. Bye.