Great, thanks, Chloe. Um, so my career path has really been a long and winding road with many twists and turns. And I'd like to talk about that in all of its fullness because I think sometimes people have this idea that they're supposed to know what they want to do when they grow up. Like from day one, you know, and I think increasingly there's, there's pressure on young folks. And that really wasn't my experience, like, I really didn't have any idea what I wanted to do. And so I like to share that just, you know, to kind of role model and demonstrate that everybody's career journey is really different. And especially, there are a lot of different things that lead people to psychology and to working with LGBTQ populations. So, you know, starting out as a, as a girl in the 1980s, who had an aptitude for math and science, I was really steered into, you know, a hard sciences engineering type of track. And I started college thinking that that's what I was going to do. But I think in part due to just, you know, the sexism in those fields, and you know, that, like 90%, you know, cisgender heterosexual men in the classes, or at least presumed to be so I just, I didn't, I didn't see myself there. And I also felt like I was much more interested in people than what I was getting there. So then I took a hard turn into the humanities and was studying history, it took some literature classes, but I just really wasn't sure I still didn't really see what the future career path was for me. And I ended up taking some time off from undergraduate, the way I ended up in psychology was really, you know, the way a lot of things have happened in my life that I've just sort of seen an opportunity, and it sparked something in me. So I was literally walking down the street, and I saw an advertisement to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter with women and children, and they were having a big volunteer training, and they needed volunteers. And I thought, well, that looks interesting. So I went, and I started volunteering, and I had shifts where I stayed overnight in the shelter. And I really got an understanding of, of trauma and all the ways it affects people of resilience, of, you know, really, like stigma and discrimination in society. And, and also, I think, I realized that going into psychology, which capitalized on one of the things, I think was my biggest strength, which is talking and listening with people, you know, I'm just like, inherently interested in people. And I found even prior to that, that a lot of friends would come to me, you know, wanting to talk through their problems. And that was just sort of a natural role for me. So I decided to go back and finish my undergrad in psychology and then pretty quickly went on for a master's degree in counseling psych. And I had the idea that I was going to be a full time therapist, I had an idea, I was always interested in diversity and social justice, I did a lot of activism around anti apartheid when I was in college in the 80s. And so I figured I would work with marginalized populations and and then after I got my master's degree, I went into community mental health. So it was really working with people who just had a lot of adversity, you know, extreme poverty, a lot of violence in their lives, a lot of discrimination, homelessness, incarceration in and out of psychiatric hospitals. And I learned so much from that work about myself about, you know, starting to look at some of my own areas of privilege and oppression, I'm particularly really starting to understand what it meant to have White privilege, what it meant to have class privilege, and that people really look at the world through different lenses in a way that I think hadn't really sunk in prior to that time. But the big turn in my career at that point, is that, you know, I was in my late 20s, and I finally came out. And so that was, you know, kind of an earth shattering thing and transition for me coming out as an LGBTQ person. And you know, the exact letters under the alphabet that I personally identify with have evolved over time as society. And as those labels have changed, and awareness of different labels have changed. And I think like, that's a beautiful thing, too. We don't have to figure that out from day one out of the gates. But I think at that point, pretty quickly, I started to become identified at the agency, the community mental health center where I worked. And also I started a small private practice. And so people in the LGBTQ community started coming to me for therapy. And I think you know, that that's something that happens, especially back then when there are way fewer people that were out. And I just was infinitely interested in the life stories of my LGBTQ clients. And, you know, I wanted to read and learn everything I could about how to best help them how to best affirm how to best really take into account their sexual orientation and gender identity as a therapist, and there's very little to read, there's very little research, I hadn't had any training in graduate school. None of my supervisors or colleagues had like there was really a dearth of information out there. And I also just got really interested in a lot of research questions, you know, particularly around trauma, like what does it mean to you know, experience, intimate partner violence, you know, sexual trauma, you trauma from being in the military. and also to be living on a day to day basis with, you know, at the time I didn't even have the language of microaggressions. But just the daily things that happen as an LGBTQ person. And you know what I also got interested in like, what makes LGBTQ mental health different? How is it different or similar? You know, how should therapy look different or similar. And I just couldn't find very much about this. And I really like started to get interested in going on for a PhD and going into academia, I think I'm sort of a big picture, person. And I felt like I wanted to do something in the field on a scale that was bigger than one client at a time, even though I deeply valued that work. So in the late 90s, I was applying to grad school, I was looking for mentors to do LGBTQ research with in clinical psych, there were very, very few. And also, I got a lot of mentoring and people discouraging me from focusing on that, you know, you'll never get a job, this is going to kill your career, you should have a second line of research and have that be kind of your side thing. People aren't going to think that's important. I mean, these are all things that were said to me. But I am personally kind of a rebel at heart. So I just did not listen to any of that. And I'm really glad that I didn't. And I think that's maybe a piece of advice that is translatable to the present day, I found it incredibly rewarding to be on the cutting edge of a field and do something where there was very little and you know, if I had just gone into graduate school and studied trauma, generally in general populations, I would just be like one of 1000s of researchers, but doing my dissertation work, looking at what you know, interpersonal victimization, looks like and how it affects and my dissertation focus just on sexual minority, lesbian, gay and bisexual folks, there was a parallel project that focused on trans folks, gender non conforming folks. But that, like, you know, the article that came out of my dissertation has been cited. So many times I had people contacting me from other countries, because it was really the first in, you know, a reputable peer reviewed journal that really looked at that. And so that's just been a thrill. I also got really lucky, you know, I want to say it's not, you know, it's not all me like I happen to get into work with one of a handful of our LGBTQ mentors in my field, Dr. Esther Rothblum at University of Vermont, and she's really a pioneer, she started doing this stuff in the 1980s, you know, LGBTQ stuff, and feminist work in a field that wasn't really supportive of that. And so I think her persistence and her leadership, I really learned a lot about, you know, not necessarily taking no for an answer, not taking rejection as something personal, being able to weather the storm of getting really oppressive, discriminatory, often ignorant feedback from reviewers and peer reviewed journals, or grant reviewers or whatnot. And that's really a foundation that I built my career on. So I got my PhD and moved back to the West Coast. And at that point, in the early 2000s, there was really like a tidal wave of opportunities for funding for LGBTQ research. And I think, you know, like, the research world was starting to catch up particularly at National Institutes of Health. So there, I really think I, you know, was in the right place at the right time. And I was able to get an individual postdoctoral fellowship that I did at University of Washington and did a lot of my work on minority stress and measurement, development of minority stress and multiple minority stress, looking at intersectional minority stress of LGBTQ and racial and ethnic identities.