as many times as you can. So I I've done several things, and it's, you know, some of us lead busy lives, not some not so busy so it it varies. But the more you can do a pattern interrupt, some type of pattern interrupt in your day, the more chances you'll have in doing it in your dreaming state. So at one point I had, I had this little light counter that athletes use that goes on your, your, like your ring finger, and you know, it's like a counter, like how many laps you ran or something like that. And so I use that with a watch that rang every 15 minutes. And so every 15 minutes, I would, I would do a pattern interrupt, I would either do this, like the breathing three breaths, or I would just like ask the question, Is this a dream as I'm like, looking around, maybe I was working on something or, or doing something at work or, or cooking or something, but when my watch went off, I would ask the question, really, really interrupt what I was doing and really go Is this a dream and really ask the question. So and then I would, you know, so I, I would do like, it was it was kind of fun because I could count how many times that day I did it and then I'd write it down. You know, I'd be like, somewhere in the 20s Like, 20 times a day. I'd be like, Oh, that's cool. And you do get really results like that. Have I been able to consistently wear the watch and count how many times they do today. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was. It was like it was hard. It especially like fifth every 15 minutes throughout your waking state but I you know, so, and right now I can't find the watch. I've been looking for it. I can't find it. I did have some people. Like I was attending a workshop. You know, for for like outdoor learning, old time skills, you know, like, and blacksmithing and stuff, but my watch was going on over off every 15 minutes and the instructor was like, What's going on voting and so I had to, you know, stop my, my, my thing so, it just kind of depends, you know, are you at work or, you know, just try, try and see what you can do. You might not need to wear a watch and you don't have to do all that. Just can you, you know, find a few times during the day or every time you sit down to have a meal or something maybe that's three times a day it would help and see, see how it works for you. If you can count how many times you interrupted your pattern during the day if you want to do that this month, and then let me know or let us know this next month. How what was the most you were able to do? I would love that that's going to encourage me to find that watch and get back to what I was doing several months ago. So yes, if that helps. It's just whatever you can afford to do. The more you the more you put in, the more you're going to get out. So that that's my answer.