Yeah I mean, it depends on I think what your goals are, like, why are you starting a podcast in the first place, and I think a lot of people start with like, because it would be fun to do. And it's like, great, do it then. Like, if it's gonna be fun, like, that's, there's your reason right there to start it. And a lot of people like start out that way. And then they want to, you know, grow an audience and monetize it, or whatever. I think if your goal is monetization, podcasting is a terrible place to do that. I think if you have a business and a product or service already, that the podcast is part of your marketing and sales kind of ecosystem. That's fantastic. But if you are looking to become a full time content creator, as a podcaster, I think that's really, really difficult. And it's not to say that nobody does it, and that it's not doable, but it is certainly not easy. And so I would just kind of start with like, what are my expectations out of this? And what am I hoping to get if it's making money, there are far easier ways to do it. That said, if you just really love the medium of podcasting, there are certainly ways you can make money in the long term, I would just say like, this is my like, five year plan here to be able to get to that point, not within six months, I want to be bringing in $1000, $10,000 a month, whatever your goal is. So that would be the first thing I would say. The second thing is like, you look at other mediums out there, whether it's YouTube or blogs, newsletters, Tik Tok, anything else like podcasting is still by far the least crowded. And so there is noise everywhere, there is competition everywhere. And if you want to create anything online or out in the world, whatever it is, if it's not an online type of artistic pursuit, or whatever it is, there is competition, there are other people doing that. And so I think that you kind of just need to get over that and say, like, wherever I choose to play, there are going to be other people doing similar things. And then the next question for you is like, how do I stand out from those people who are doing something similar to me? And so, you know, most topics, most niches have probably at least a dozen shows that are all creating content around the same topic. And I think that what most people do is they don't listen to any of the shows, they don't research any of them, they just go and say like, I'm going to create this because I think this is interesting and cool. And they create something that sounds very generic and very similar to everything else that's out there, which makes it really hard to grow. And you're not really giving anybody a compelling reason to pick your show versus any one of those other ones. So if somebody searches, you know, knitting podcast, or whatever it is, if I'm starting a knitting podcast, I'm going to go search knitting podcasts myself, and I'm going to look at like, Okay, what's the vibe I'm getting from each of these shows? I'm going to listen, maybe not through all of them, maybe maybe I would, depending on how serious I am. And I'm going to just say like, okay, what are the opportunities here for me to create a different type of knitting show than from what people already have on offer? And then that's probably the direction I'm going to go, if that's aligned with you know, the thing I actually want to create. But unfortunately, not many people, I would say the vast majority of people, don't do that kind of competitor or market research. And they end up with something that's really, really hard to market, because there's just no obvious reason for a potential listener to choose them over any of the other options.