Um, oh, so you're asking me the origin story? Ah, well, I don't, you know, according to what we would all the people that were there at the beginning of a different memory and understanding, I mean, I do want to give credit to Annie Smith, she, she I, you know, I know that that there's a lot there. But she did know, a lot of people that came together at the beginning, I had been working in the same organization in Chicago, being part of the anti rape movement, from the late 80s, and had different encounters. And remember, Beth Ritchie coming as we as women of color in that movement in Chicago, and you know, because you're, you're from Chicago. So that was a really formative time. For me, it was when I first entered the anti violence movement, but also, very, very quickly, came to deeply understand white racism within the movement, and organize together with across other people of color with a movement who, whatever critical mass had had, at that time, reached point when, when we decided that we really had to organize and have you know, a bit of a revolt at the time, that was really formative for me, it was formative to see the different kinds of concerns that we as people of color had, that were very different than the white feminist movement. And, you know, and I also want to say that wheels, we also thought that the anti mouse movement in the sustaining of that movement was very important. But we were very tired of always being on the sidelines, always working as line staff, and having been the leader is just on a kind of very organizational level. But what that meant was that we weren't able to center the kinds of concerns and politics that we had, that we had to struggle to define for ourselves, you know, we didn't all come with the exact same people of color politic, that is something that we did we develop and struggle. And I think that a few of us have already been meeting in different spaces, whether they work, you know, meeting them bathroom, space, hotel room, right at a conference, and start talking about what you wish you had, or what needed to happen or doing or doing your critique. I think that I talked to you recently, I feel about a National Coalition Against Sexual Assault Conference, I went where the very struggle about naming sex work either as a form of work or as a form of victimization was a huge, a huge, I would say battle, it was huge. And it was along the lines of a brace. I know it doesn't always fall that way and every place in every space it did then, and those were some of the struggles I was walking into in the late 80s. So I was I had many many years to be in conversation and build relationship with various people that Beth Richie, you know, other people that now we now see as many you know, many of whom have left the actual movement, some of whom stuck stuck around and, and many of whom are responsible for saying, Listen, we need to center something else. As you probably heard the insight conference, the founding conference in 2000. We really think a couple hundred people would come in it just became like a place for us to gather and see if, if we could find something that was centered around me color But when we saw that almost 2000 people signed up, it was very clear that there was something else happening beyond the handful of us that were organizing that event. And you could absolutely feel the energy of that, at that conference. It came two years after the critical resistance conference where I had a very similar experience, there was something different. This is the kind of the birth of a contemporary version of abolition, and the coming together with a feminist abolition feminism that we didn't have a name for at the time. And it had energy, it had potency, it was the right. I mean, was, had been the right time, long ago in it. And it certainly didn't start in 2000. But there was a way in which we decided to create an organizational form that wasn't in the form information of a nonprofit. But that really sparked people's imagination, and became so much more than those of us who are performers.