20220622 Town Board Second Monthly Meeting Final Record
10:02PM Jun 22, 2022
Town of Danby
Danny Wheeler (on the phone)
public hearings. Welcome, everyone, to this prelude to the second monthly meeting of the Danby Town Board for the month of June 2022. It is preceded by three public hearings, the first of which is with the proposal to adopt a New York Stretch Energy Code. And I would be happy to hear comments from anyone who's here who would like to speak to that.
Okay, well, no one else has anything to say. Thank you. I'm really just going to summarize what I said. During the previous public hearing, which I think was during last meeting. The point of this, of the stretch provisions is basically to advance the schedule for requiring improved energy efficiency and housing. And I think that's a great idea. It's sure it's going to cost a bit more now. But the return on investment is very quick. And within a few years, everyone who does do improved insulation and other energy efficiencies is going to come out ahead. So I think, from that, for that reason, it's a great idea. There may be little sticky points. But overall, it's a great idea. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone else would like to speak to the stretch energy code? I'm not seeing any, so why don't we close that public hearing and move on to the next. The second one is a proposed change in the dog law from 2011. This would delete three words from the existing law under voice control.
Essentially broadening the options for control, but emphasizing that a dog has to be under the owner's control whenever it's off property. Is there anyone who'd like to speak to that? Ted.
Sometimes I feel a little bit awkward that I'm the only person who raises a hand. But I think that the wording that you have proposed this time is better than the wording I expected to see last time. It basically puts the onus on the dog, dog handler and what-not. The concern I might express is that effectively it is saying you put your dog on a leash or you are liable which doesn't actually make me feel uncomfortable in general. If I had a dog and I, you know, I was out in public I probably put it on a leash. On my own property, I don't know about that. If I went for walk in the park with the dog, I don't know about that. And I'm just wondering how this would have a dampening effect on dog owners and whether they will feel comfortable leashing their dog everywhere. I'm not saying it's wrong I'm just saying you know that's something to consider. Thanks
Thank you. Anyone else want to comment on the dog law proposed change?
as a as a citizen I agree with what Ted said it's uncomfortable for a lot of dog owners on their own property and in parks there's there are people who go to the Danby park with their dogs for playing Disc Golf etc etc.
Anyone else? okay so why don't we close that public hearing. The third one is for the Ravencache conservation easement. This conservation easement is proposed to be donated to the town by Tyler Stein and his wife, Brittany Lagaly. It's for about a 24-acre property on Heisey road which adjoins state forest land and includes part of a unique natural area. It has every possible kind of zone within it in our template, environment protection zone for the UNA portion, restrictive forest areas, ag and forest zone, and a residential and active use zone, where the residents and associated activities will be located. Anyone have any comment on that? What do you know? Okay, well, let's close that public hearing. And call the meeting to order. At 6:07. There are several proposed additions to the agenda. I propose that we move, we deal with all of them, at the head of business, to propose of the monument cleaning by Danny Wheeler, the budget transfer resolution that that will close out the books for 2021, proposed amendment of conservation easement template. And the agreement to spend funds requests, next installment from Highway. Are there other additions or deletions?
Sarah looks like she's studying the agenda intently, just to...
looking at something else. I have no problem with putting them in at the beginning of business.
Does that mean we wouldn't be able to make comments if they come before the privilege of the floor?
It won't come before privilege of the floor, it'll just come up. It'll just be the beginning of our normal business stuff, rather than at the end of the meeting.
It'll be nine, essentially, preceding 9.1 on the agenda. Okay, so if there are no other changes, then, in fact, Ronda, this is privilege of the floor time, and if you'd like to address the board, we'd happy to hear from you.
Okay, I just I'd like to make a comment about the proposed monument cleaning by Danny Wheeler. So I was at the event on May 31. At the monument. And the I think it was Danny Wheeler, who offered to clean the monument. And he said, This is granite. And I looked at it, and I thought, No, this is limestone. [Joel Gagnon: or marble]. But I don't really, you know, I lived in Paris where all the buildings are built of limestone, and it's called Paris limestone. And it comes from around Paris. But anyway, I'm not an expert on on stone and the care and cleaning of stone. And I would just ask that if the town felt I didn't really feel that it needed to be cleaned. But if the town felt that it needed to be clean, cleaned, I would request they get a second opinion.
Well was it clean or not cleaned?
We have that one monument and if something happens to it, then it would be very costly to replace it. And I think people wouldn't be happy that something had happened to it. So I just would like you to do due diligence if you feel it does need to be cleaned by by maybe getting a number of people to come out and take a look at it and make opinions. And I think that's the only thing about which I have anything to say thank you.
Thank you. Anyone else under privilege of the floor?
Sure, thanks. Let me just pop up the agenda so I can see it. Also about Danny, I think Ronda had some reasonable points. But I'd like to say that, you know, this isn't the first time that Danny has offered to do the job. And basically, he's a very conscientious guy, he has cleaned other monuments he can speak—I see he's here. Hi, Danny. I'm sure he can speak to his qualifications and to what he would do and how you would do it. And if it remains the same as before, he'll do it for free. So this is a very generous offer that I hope you do something about. Budget item 3.2 Budget Transfer resolution is a rather amusing document linked from it which says almost nothing except that there's an attached document which has all the details, but there is no attached document. So I'm sure that you'll be able to put that online or display it during the meeting.
That's on oversight
But of course, the bit about commercial zone C, I took a look at the map. And you know, for the most part, this is a no-brainer. But I will observe that there are a number of these parcels are very widely scattered. And some of them, some of them are in places. I'm thinking of one that's down toward Jennings Pond, where I'm not sure we want to go make any move from your basic residential. And I think you should consider each of the parcels independently and see whether all of them seem to make sense to you. Other than that, I already mentioned the dog law and that's the agenda. Thank you.
And I see Garry's here with his hand up. Garry.
Yeah, I have some news from the court system. Yeah, had a meeting last Thursday, last Friday. And as of last Thursday, all the COVID rules have been lifted in the courts, no more mask requirements, no more social distancing. If the courts want to take down their Plexiglas they can or they can leave them up. It's at their discretion. And I also found out out of the 10 counties that make up the 10 judicial districts. Danby is one of the few that still are asking people to wear masks when they come into town hall. That's just what we were told. So that's what the new rules are for the courts. That's all state courts.
Yeah. Thanks. We don't have it on the agenda to revisit the level of operation. Perhaps we should? Yes. Cause we did say we would do it regularly. Can you perhaps add that to the end of the agenda?
Anyone else for privilege of the floor? Okay. Is there any correspondence? Janice?
Excuse me, just for one second. I'm sorry. But I'm on the phone with Danny. And if he can't hear anything we're saying and I'm trying to help him. Janice, can maybe you help him a little bit? He tried to think what he didn't. On the, when you sign in? Danny. He can't hear us. He can hear me on the phone. You have to press the enable audio. Did you do that? Can he do it now that he's already in here?
He should be able to change his speakers. If so next to the like the mute button. There's a little arrow. If he clicks that arrow, it should open up a list of different speakers you can choose unless his computer doesn't have
that next down at the bottom where the mute button is there's a carrot, a little arrow.
Left, left hand bottom
bottom left hand.
You see that little speaker? A little microphone? [Danny speaking to Katharine on the phone.] Let's see.
He can also call in from the from his phone to the number.
Can you hear it, hear Janice on my phone saying you can call in on the telephone. Maybe just go out and try and come back in. And there's a place where it asks if you want to join audio? You have to say yes. [Danny Wheeler on phone: Okay. Thank you.]
And I don't believe there any announcements. Dan Klein emailed to tell us that he couldn't be here in person but he did submit his report in writing, pointing out a couple of relevant items. And I spoke with Laura who told me that Jack would be here but he's not, at least I don't see that he is to give us an update on what highway's up to. Perhaps they didn't anticipate that the public hearings would go so swiftly. Maybe we can come back to that. The next item is the consent agenda. Do we have the warrants straightened out? The couple of points that... Leslie noticed some inconsistencies between the what account numbers in the vouchers versus on the abstract?
No they've all been fixed. Okay.
Is it the totals? Correct?
They weren't they weren't different, like half an hour ago,
you might need to refresh your browser
half an hour ago? Because I went on, and
I did it hours ago.
Oh, then? No,
it's because it's because your cookies on your computer sometimes make it so it doesn't refresh things all the time. But, yeah,
I mean, I did see where from when I printed off the abstract. That the total amount that you know, the 914 had been changed to 846. I did see that change. And I saw a couple other changes. But but I didn't see probably at least, at least, half of the half of the account numbers.
They were all changed. I don't know if Sarah, do you want to share your screen? Or?
Which one? Just like the abstract?
If you give me permission. [laughter] [Janice Adelman: Whoops.] Ok, there we go. Here's let me move the move your faces there we go. OK. So this is general fund. And I'll try and fit as much on there as possible. Well, actually, you can see the total at the top there. I don't know why I pointed the computer you can't see my hand.
Yeah, so Leslie you had mentioned 178 was missing the hazmat fee, which I fixed, and then
the hazmat fee, which was $200—uh, $2.20. which needed to be added back in.
Okay. So then [Janice Adelman: 516] And then there were taxes on 185.
I took out
the credit card bill. Yeah.
I took out the Home Depot tax, that was the only one I could find.
There was one in the 16.19 there was a tax on that bill.
No, that one doesn't actually have tax because it was the it's the Adobe.
I didn't catch that—I remember looking at the credit card...
Oh, I see $1.20. You're right.
okay so $1.20.
So I'll take off the dollar 20.
Okay, let me just and then,
David, you'll have to contact Adobe for that.
185, 26. Okay. And then the,
just let me know if you want me to scroll
nope, uh, that that 2405.33 I don't know what that means. That's not a number that means anything [Joel Gagnon: Where's that?] right below, right at the last line of the that 185.
Whatever it is, I don't think
2405.33 That was the entire amount that was to be paid for the credit card.
Oh, okay. That's wrong. Because now you've taken tax out of both the other two out two lines. Yep. So I just think it needs to get redone. 185, 1620 point four, I think.
I don't know That. That second account number on that 1620.40. I think this should be a 1620 point five and the second line, the 124 99 that account number I think it should be a .5, not .4 That's my was what that
was that somebody's time?
No, it's a postage.
Yeah, that should go under a point four, which is a contractual line
If it's postage, that's correct.
Okay. Um, um, I didn't make the numbers up. Um, there's there was something wrong with that. And I don't know whether it was because it didn't match the voucher or something. I'm trying to look, let's see. 181 80
Ah, I see where it's off on the voucher.
See the 190, 190. On that that voucher number on 190 is not the same that's on the voucher. Right. So a lot of the numbers aren't?
No, the voucher on 190 was fixed. Nine. What? The voucher 190 is fixed. It's 1620.4.
That's the number I've got on my printout. That is different than what's on the voucher.
No, that is on the voucher. 1- 1620.4 is on the voucher. And 1620.4
is changed on the voucher since I did on the abstract. Let's see 188 1650.40. When I looked at it, it was different. That number was different, as was the number above it.
And that's what I said is that I changed it hours ago.
I couldn't I mean, I was still working less than two hours ago. So
yeah, but if you're if you don't refresh your page, it's not.
I understand. And I know that this is, you know, this is not an easy thing to put together. But But to get it, you know, in, you know, in two hours before the meeting want to take, I sit down it takes me an hour and a half to go through these. And I'm not gonna I don't want to start at four o'clock.
I sent it at like seven o'clock this morning.
Well, yeah, of course, it should've seven o'clock yesterday morning, but
a printout less than three hours about three hours ago. So I don't
I mean, that's good.
I don't want to get into an argument about it. It's just I'm not I'm just gonna, I don't feel comfortable. And the totals the total is not right. I can't
well we want to get the total right for sure. Did we do identify any any numbers that were wrong other than the
dollar 20 tax on
$1.20. Tax? And
that's all we've said so far? Yeah.
So we can reduce that total by $1.20? I looked in about four o'clock, and I found all of the matching and I did not catch the tax.
Okay, that's reasonable.
one thing I did have a question about was which ones of these needed to get multiple quotes? And things like that, since going over the things with the auditors. I assume health insurance doesn't have to;
Right because that's a regular occurrence.
the credit card I assume doesn't because it's a lot of smaller purchases that are different things. Yeah. And I'd assumed the newsletter also doesn't? I don't I don't know how that works. I guess that's not really a purchase contract.
Right. And that's made up of a lot of small things.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
No, there's one in the highway that it was actually listed in the contract pricing.
But then the teledair, the security system, would need multiple quotes. I assume Sunvestment doesn't because that was a bigger contract. Right? as well.
Well, so although with the Teledair. It's something that we already have. So it's just making a change to what's already there. So would that necessitate getting multiple quotes to redo a system?
I would assume so because you would want to have multiple quotes for somebody who is going to show up and like change around a bunch of lights too but we have lights so it's like,
actually, David McDermitt did do a lot of pricing on all of that he spent quite a bit of time doing that he and Steve, I believe we're involved doing that.
We're just technically supposed to see two quotes, I believe, if we're trying to follow our own procurement policy, anything over 1500
Sometimes, you know, we do also the,
the amount on the invoice was like, this dollar value wasn't even on there. So I was super confused.
It was you have to pay half down half, half for the, of the contract amount for them get started with the project
from what is in it, then it's a 3000 over $3,000 contract, and we should definitely should get multiple quotes, or at least see them, if they exist.
Anything that he has, that you were just talking about Katharine, he can send them to us, we can attach them to the voucher, if you guys go ahead and approve this, you could approve it, you know, pending that we pending the fact that we have all of the backup, and we can attach it to the voucher and get it sent to you. Even if you're looking at it after the fact when we can list it on the face of the voucher for, you know, for our records. But yeah, I think you're right, Katharine, he did do a lot of pricing. So he's got some patience!
It was Sarah that asked, though, Laura.
Yeah, it's just technicalities, but we should be making sure we're doing that.
We oftentimes have the quotes, but we don't, But they don't necessarily get associated with.
we're kind of out of the [undecipherable] to get them attached. So we can do
The conversation I had with Joel, he gave me the go-ahead and stuff has already being ordered through Teledair.
Joel doesn't get to give you the go-ahead on spending money, though.
The board. We're doing that right now.
I thought he represented the board?
Well, we the board already authorized me to make the the improvements that were part of the threat, implementation of the threat assessment team recommendations.
That doesn't mean you can't bypass the procurement policy, we just need to see two quotes I'm not saying we shouldn't spend money on it.
What I'm saying is that I did have the authorization to say go ahead. But the procurement policy should have been followed.
But I think the procurement policy was followed. And I mean, I think that throughout the whole process of the workplace violence threat assessment team, there have been multiple quotes.
In your question here talking about whether there was would have been any alternative that you could have got quotes for.
I think the issue though, is just that it's been drawn out for so long, that
any any purchase contract is supposed to over $1,500 is supposed to have two quotes. Three quotes for over 2500. I can't remember 3000?
3000, I think. Laura?
Yeah, I'm sorry, I just didn't want to keep interrupting. Sarah was trying to say and Janice, you know, actually, we have been following our procurement policy right along, the only thing we haven't been doing, which is what the auditors were looking at, when they went through the audit, is that we didn't have it attached, right, we weren't showing our paperwork, right. Or the way that they wanted us to show it, we have quotes, maybe sitting back and in our folders and, and in our files for you know how we're putting it together. But what they want to see is they want to see it attached to the vouchers in some way, and then have it presented to you guys—to the board for and you guys have it at approval time.
So we can verify that policy was followed.
Yes, we have to we ordered that we have received that big pipe for like 20, some I can't remember it's $24,000. And I circled on it. That is an OGS price. So if it's a state contract price, you don't have to have the quotes. So I circled that, but still at the same time, we should have the paperwork of receiving it attached to that. And that's what I'm hunting down right now from Crossroads supplies but to wait another couple of weeks to get paid for. But they're more
I just mean going forward with all abstracts anything that does that. I also don't know if it even says it probably should have a caveat in our procurement policy that those values don't apply to, like contract. I don't know if we explicitly said that in there. But
I think we did, It's understood that you don't have to.
Well, that's like the state law, but I don't know if it's in our procurement policy.
I think we put it in there just just so that we all know, you know what it was and when when it does,
yeah, and Jack has Jack and Keith have other quotes on this too, even though it says OGS they keep going for lots but we just have to get that attached and get in the habit of knowing what we're putting together. So that is coming.
But I want to just just clarify, because I want to make sure that we're all on the same page. And that I'm on the same page with you guys is that, you know, this, this was approved when the workplace violence violence recommendations were approved and went through and there were quotes associated with that report. And so my question is, if it's already been approved back then does it need to be approved, again, with multiple quotes for the same thing? because it was already approved.
The work was approved, but the individual people doing the work I don't think was approved. If that makes any sense,
but I thought it was I thought it was like, here are the quotes, here's what we expect to pay, it'll be no more than x amount.
I'd have to go back and look at it. But this is just from our auditor meeting, but yeah.
So that's the and, that's what I'm wondering is like, does it do you keep having to come back with quotes, every time you're gonna make purchase, even if it's already been approved prior?
if it's approved with and we already approved it, and we already have the two things that said how much was going to be then we don't have to, we don't have to do those things twice. No.
However, I mean, what we ended up doing was, was different than what was originally quoted, so. But, but given a given you were talking about upgrading a system that's already in place, I'm not sure how anybody else would have bid on it. Other than the current supplier, just sort of a sole source situation where
you can have any, like data person work on a security system, it doesn't necessarily have to be the person who installed it to begin with.
Actually, there were there were two, there was another company that came in that they couldn't do, I mean, to do it, we would have had to re-, we would have had to change the whole thing. I can't remember the details of it. But we we can get the details, but they couldn't, they couldn't mix and match, they would have had to change. You know, Garry, you might be able to help on this. But they I believe they would have had to change the whole system out, which would have been a whole lot more money. And what they ended up doing with a couple of adjustments and add a camera and a panic button and a few other things that were and it was done in small some of the things were really inexpensive, like a, like a doorbell that's like, I think it's $15, $20. But anyway, the, I think what we're really saying is that what we need on the pay—on the voucher or the correct word is the documentation, which is what Laura was just saying is, which is what the auditor told us on that meeting is that if we we write on the voucher itself, the backup for why
that is also two quotes, one is just astronomically high, which is why we wouldn't choose them. But but just again, this has nothing to do with that one particular project just
general general points.
And also it would be if we did approve something, it would be nice to have that paperwork with it also, because we don't we don't have we're not like Rainman, we can't remember everything. Yeah.
I think I think that the way that I'm looking at it is at the time when you guys are approving this, you're approving now at this point, you approve the project, you're approved to go ahead and get it, you approve the dollar amount and everything. But at the time when you're approving the abstract is going to be cash going out the door in the form of a check. So as you're approving that, that's the amount that that check will be cut for. Then you see all the paperwork, make sure that that figure is accurate based on the paperwork that you're looking at. Does that make sense? You have the actual invoice, you have the actual bill, and maybe you have, you know, attach some of the other quotes, which we'll get to that we'll put them so you're looking at the whole package at that point, saying that's the dollar amount for our accountant to cut that check for and send it out the door. So putting it on there. It's not really necessarily approving the project at that point. It's approving what you're saying is okay to go ahead and send out
Saying that bill is okay, and the charge is authorized and it's and where the money's coming from and what we're just doing. ,
Yes like you're asking about the dollar amount wasn't on that bill, because it's only going to be half. So it gives you the opportunity to ask about that and you're looking at saying hey, you know who this What's this dollar amount about? And that's what we'll approve right now for you to for you to pay. We're not going to approve the whole thing, just this amount.
Did we calculate the total for the general fund?
I believe it was just minus $1.20. Which would that's it, make it 24,670 and 71 cents.
Okay. So, with that, Can we vote on the consent agenda then?
Does that include the minutes?
Okay. Shouldn't we ask if the minutes are all right before we just vote?
Well with the consent agenda, you don't, but
Well, the consent agenda, but but we have been discussing. So it's a little moot at this point.
But did you have a point you wanted to raise about the minutes, Pat?
No, the minutes are fine.
Yeah. K. So unless there's something to be said about them, they're they're, They're included in the consent agenda.
Yeah, I know.
And that is, that whole package is then subject to a vote without further discussion.
I'll move it if you didn't already. [Joel: What's that?], I said, I'll move it if you hadn't done it already.
Okay, do you have a second?
What was the total? What was the total for general?
Let me go back. It was 24,670 and 71 cents so 24670.71.
Yes. After all of the discussion.
Yes. All right. Now did Danny get himself connected yet?
I believe so Danny,
You are muted now if you can unmute in the bottom left
click on the microphone icon there.
It should it should be like red with a with a slash through it. If you click that button,
or hold down the Spacebar.
Oh, I don't know that was an option.
I don't want to learn too many things might push
Danny nod if you can hear us first.
Yeah. I think he said yeah,
Nod if you can hear us, Danny, or wave your hand. Okay, good. Okay, that microphone on my screen is not red. It's white. And it's down—there you go!
There you go! Wait wait, you just muted yourself, again. There you go.
Yeah, we're not, still not hearing him, though.
He hasn't said anything.
Yeah, he I think he did.
Yeah he did. Yep.
If his computer doesn't have a microphone, then I don't know.
I've never seen a camera that didn't have a microphone.
Oh, that's true. Actually.
Mine doesn't. With my dell I had to buy one.
Maybe his volume's down.
It'll probably be more effective if somebody calls him and then holds their earpiece from the telephone right up to their mic to our mic.
I will do that. I've got him right here.
We could hear him slightly before when you're on the phone too. So
Danny, I'm calling you and then you can talk to my phone.
I got that red thing but if I punch on it that should turn me on. And it isn't doing it, it hasn't moved.
Yeah. Well, fortunately, we can hear you on the phone. So
And we can see you so you got you got both the video and the audio that way
Alright. Then I'm on now? Okay. First off, I'd like to say that I thank you folks for going to listen to me tonight. And I have been with a Sons of Union Veterans for 30 years. I have worked on monuments, I've worked on stones. Whatever we can do for the soldier himself we've had done. The one thing I'd like to say is that 20 years ago. Around 20 years ago I've lost track of time sometimes. I cleaned that monument that's in Danby and I had no problem with doing it. I use a stone clean which is a professional cleaning that is used in Very Vermont. And I can tell you now I have used it all over the city of Ithaca. And I have had people question me, I can pour that stuff on the grass and the grass will grow. It's very hi—it's not harmless. It doesn't hurt anything. I would like to say that I have. Here's a record that I have. I'm very proud of. In [undecipherable] Ferry, We wanted to rebuild that monument. The base was—I got a call from the cemetery. And the base was falling off. He was ready to go backwards. pot metal, Couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again. So I called by using my phone, and I got ahold of a guy in Cortland, that had a crane. Told him I had no money, but I needed a crane. The man, to make it short, he did come over and he held him up, while we put a bottom on his face. And he's still there today. I stop there, three, four times a year, just to say hi to the old guy. The other thing that I have done is, I have done the Watkins Glen cemetery, monument there two cannons, we cleaned the cannons, and we cleaned the stone, everything that was there, we held a dedicated rededication service, Trumansburg, they have a seen it's gun up there, there's only four in the United States. It was built a year after the Civil War, but was given to the town of Trumansburg by the Grand Army, the Republic, which was the veterans of the Civil War. We completely had to redo the bottom because it was all fieldstone. So we had to redo that. And we cleaned the monument. The other thing is, is that the kids were actually throwing stuff into the barrel of that big cannon, fireworks and all kinds of stuff, raccoons were living in it. So we made a plate and put over that so nobody, no animals can get in there or nothing. Everything was completely done. The other thing that I'm real proud of is doing the JR monument in the city cemetery, which was my first attempt at cleaning. In order to do that I had to learn and I did that with the guy down on, I want to say Five Mile Drive, it isn't, on the West End of Ithaca. I can't remember the guy's name. He taught me how to clean. I cleaned all the stones over there which is 24 stones, with the city bringing me up the water trucks and all that. The city has done very good at bringing me whatever I needed to do all these this work and to save ithaca. I did an Ithaca College stone which is in the DeWitt park. When I called them to get permission they didn't even know they had a stone there. In doing that the church next door asked me if I would do their monument in their in their flower garden. So I did that one. I can go on if you'd like more information or more monuments I did do. The one I really proud of is the World War II monument DeWitt Park, the one you couldn't actually see the names. And what they wanted to do was take it off and send it somewhere to have it done. And I told them if they did that I was afraid they were gonna it was gonna get messed up and it wouldn't go back. So taped it, everything and then we rebronzed it. So I've rebronzed that monument, and that was probably 10 or 12 years ago and it still looks very good. If you go down on, uh, is it Green Street? I get those mixed up, I think it's Green Street on the city building there, you'll see the names of World War II veterans. I completely did that for them. Because that was really messed up. Somebody had poured acid on that. So therefore, you know, like I say that Vietnam monument I cleaned that a couple of times. I had three mayors that actually I have letters here at home, I could show you that put me in charge of the DeWitt Park for cleaning monuments. So that's where I stand.
OK. So So you have established your credibility here. And so So what do you propose to do? So what do you? What do you propose to do here?
[Talking at the same time as Joel] ...the people on it means too much.
No, I don't think he can hear us, can he?
I think, Joel, you were talking over him. So I was trying to listen to Danny, I didn't hear what you were saying either. I was listening to Danny
Well, I was, what I was saying was, it, Danny has now well-established his competence in tackling.... And, I wanted to know what it is that you want us to do to...?
what I really need is a cherry picker. And someone to run it because that's something I don't run that equipment. I don't know how to run the equipment. Okay. But as far as going up and cleaning that monument, the north and the south side of that monument is what's dirty. The East-West side looks pretty good. I think a lot of it's pollution from the road. Because when it was put there, I'm sure there wasn't a lot of busy traffic. [undecipherable] for all I know.
Probably wasn't paved at the time.
So what Danny...?
As far as the Sons go, I was commander-in-chief of the Sons of Union Veterans for the whole nation, I have done everything I can for over 30 years for our organization.
Yeah, and there was a—
I was very proud to be able to do this monument again. It would cost a lot of money for you people to get professionals in there to do it. And I'm not a professional, but I'm a semi-pro.
It sounds to me like you have been a professional going out to these other places and being hired and commended for it now. I think what what we're, what Danny wants is for, if we could rent, and we'd have to, we'd have to coordinate the timing with Danny for when he can, and when we can rent.
I have some ideas here when you're ready.
Okay, go for it.
I called around just to see I don't know if you folks can get a better buy somewhere else. But I checked, every place that I could in Ithaca. The one I found that was the best. And only because they will deliver it and they will pick it up. Any other place, it'd be 20 to $30 cheaper. But you gotta go get it. You got to take it back certain time and all that stuff. Rich Rental has it for 275 delivered. And that would be I mean, if you can find a better price or something you'd rather do, That's fine with me.
I think I missed it before? Is that for a lift?
That's for the lift.
Yeah, I heard cherry picker. And I was like, what's that?
It's a lift.
Yeah, I'd call it a scissor lift. Okay.
It's what the it's more like what the utilities use and then you have to be able to telescope out.
Now last time when we did that monument, I was able to get ahold of the phone company. And I convinced them to bring one up. But I don't think they do that anymore.
It's hard enough to get them to do their their regular job
So, do you need...
It wouldn't hurt for asking them
But then you need an assistant to operate the machine.
Yeah, you really would because that's something. I did, the other thing I did I didn't tell you about was the big flag pole in Stewart Park. They called me and wanted me to go up, and scrape it down, paint it, all that good stuff. Well, the first time we went up, myself and one of the city employees. The guy running the thing, hit the wrong lever, pushed us into the flagpole. And we and the flagpole was going back and forth for about five minutes. I said I wouldn't go back up, but I did four times. But that's why we need somebody that can operate that. Worst thing we could do is to let something happen to that monument. So I need somebody that knows how to run it can take us up and move us over when we need to be moved over.
Is that something that any of our highway people would be able to do.
I think so. I really think so, I'm sure they do.
Is Laura still on here?
Yep, I'm right here. Wait a second. Jack's listening in.
They could do that. But we'd have to clear it with Highway Superintendent.
You'd have to what?
They could drive. I mean we don't have one of those pieces of equipment,
Yeah, we don't have it, but
They don't have one?
no, well we're talking about renting. And do we have somebody who could who could competently run it, though?
I mean, I've driven them before, but...
We do. But we would have to get with planning or are we have such a workload that...
how long is he going to need it for?
I'm thinking that...
How long? I'm sorry, what was that?
Four hours should do it.
About four hours.
So we can get back with you and let you know.
we'll check with the highway superintendent, and get back with you to see if he could get a man over there to run that lift.
I appreciate that.
And in the meanwhile, if anybody knows any contractors that we should ask around about contractors who might be able to donate that time.
We have a guy that used to be a tree climber. And he so he ran one all the time.
Nice. I think he could do it.
He worked for.
Is it a boom lift or a scissor lift that we'll need?
Probably a boom lift.
Probably a boom lift?
Scissor wouldn't all you to get close enough.
The thing is, I'm going to have to contact the Fire Company. And they did it last time. I'm sure somebody needs training over there. What I need is them to come over and keep it wet. Have to have it wet while we're working it. Okay, so
you could probably we could probably do that with a hose.
Start cleaning, then they rinse it all off.
Would our water truck, Jack, be able to hose it?
...have to have a water truck there, they did it before.
We'd have to see the chemical to make sure we're not exposing anything.
We just need some information. And we'll we'll see what we can do.
We would have to get SDS sheets for the chemical in case something happened. He got it in his eyes.
This isn't a chemical.
It's just water.
No it's not just water.
Yes, Joel. It is water. What Danny does-uses the chemical. Danny uses a material, something to clean it. And what the fire department and does is just rinse it with just plain water.
He needs to know what the chemical is that's getting rinsed off. He needs to know what that is. And that's the that's the the content of the material he's using
but there's no, but he said there's no chemicals so it doesn't matter.
Danny is the solution that D2 biological solution?
is the solution you use that called D2 biological solution?
It's called stone clean. And it's it's used by the professionals in Berry Vermont. When you buy a stone, they actually clean it with that.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's D2 biological
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the same stuff
And that you can get on the grass and it doesn't doesn't hurt anything.
No no, it won't
So, what do we need to do now then do we just need to approve that this can happen and then coordination can happen later?
Yes, if you wanna approve it I would appreciate it.
[side conversation? You have, I have to go to Syracuse to ...[undecipherable] Nope, there's no problem with it.]
So we need two things. We need an amount and where the money's coming from.
Like I say what I'm looking at is 275. I don't know if you can find something cheaper. I found one for 208. But the problem is you had to go get it, had to take it back.
Yeah, we're not gonna get anything cheaper than that. That sounds like a good price.
Unless somebody in town.
Yeah, unless somebody donates one. But we could say not to exceed 300.
Somebody that would do that...
That's my inclination.
And I couldn't find nobody. I've done everything. In fact, we had it in your paper that I was looking for a volunteer. And I never got a phone call.
How about we just do an authorization to clean for for a expenditure not to exceed $300?
I'll Second that.
I'll third that.
What we haven't identified is where the money's gonna come from but
wouldn't it come out of like buildings or something like that?
Well, it's not a capital expenditure. I suppose it could come out of just the building maintenance.
Yeah, building maintenance. It's like a
It's small enough for it to come out of the 1620.4.
Yeah, to try to
That's the building contractual?
Yes. Building contractual. It's small enough that it's probably not going to affect it.
Okay. So that's the funding source. Moved and seconded. Any discussion about it?
I would like to say I will volunteer to work with Danny about timing and all of that stuff and Danny and I can can try to set up and anybody who gets any ideas call either Danny or me or both of us. So we can coordinate.
One thought I had was there's no need to go to the fire department for water you've got there's a Silcock right there at the town hall and you just run a hose
We need to go all the way to the top of water
Yeah, yeah, but it's not that tall.
As long as I can keep it wet.
If he... Yeah, it has to be kept wet the entire time Joel and and depending on the water for this year with the drought if Danny has done this before with the fire department volunteering and they can use it for training I see no reason why not to have that.
It'll probably run the well dry or something.
Yeah, we don't want to do that.
So you have to keep it wet but you don't have to run the water continuously because
You wet it, wet it down, we go work, we work it and then as soon as I've got it worked on one side. You just went down that side again.
You rinse it off. Yeah. Right. Because you don't want to you don't want to wash your soap off while you're doing it. Yeah, okay. Well, I will let you guys worry about that.
So we will get back with I guess, Katharine then, correct? from Highway? We will see what we can do I mean, we have a water truck, but like you said, the fire if the fire department wants to use their equipment, that would be good also.
Massive overkill, but anyway. They want to do it yeah,
it's also good to have other people involved in helping out because some people care about it.
Yes, I agree. Yeah, that's not a bad thing.
My organization my camp, and I have four or five people there myself.
We'll find out what we can do.
We need to I have it we need to make a little documentary film for our our Town of Danby
what's that? I can't think of the word I want
the YouTube page.
The YouTube channel?
Yeah, the YouTube things for our welcome to Danby. We care about things that whatever you know, whatever
Not a bad idea. I like it.
David has done some videos in the past and we you know, we're gonna have collections for, "get to know Danby", get to know your Town of Danby.
Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. So can we vote?
Yeah, I think so.
I just need to clarify, Joel, you moved it and Pat, you seconded?
I think it was Katharine
Right. And then Leslie Third.
Third, okay. Connors.
Yes. Okay. So go to guys, you have our support.
Thank you, guys. I got another thing I want to bring up too, won't take me long. First thing I want to say is, I'd like to see us do that around the end of July, if possible.
We have our meeting the second Monday, I'll make sure my guys are on, they're on this thing with me. I know they are, I already talked about it at our meeting. And they knew I was going to do this. Okay?
Now I have one other thing I'd like to bring up. As a national organization as the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil war are. And we are, by the way, the second oldest patriotic organization United States started in 1866 by the Civil War soldiers, I could get into the rest of the history, but I don't have to
Not if you're gonna make it quick. [chuckles]
Not if you're gonna make it quick. [laughter]
What I'd like to talk to you about is we had the opportunity to put in some forms to the Pomeroy Foundation, the Pomeroy foundation does signs for the road. And they do it for free. There has to be done by an organization which we would take care of. What I would like to do, to be able to meet with a town historian or the board or whatever, and come up with a wording that we could put on a sign and have it next to the monument. The reason for it is that would bring more people in to read that sign and understand the monument. It wouldn't, it wouldn't cost you guys anything but a bag of concrete. if you can't afford that I'll buy it. [chuckles]
I've got a pallet of them here you can have one.
But as far as getting the sign in the post and everything they pay for it,
you mean you mean something like a historical marker type sign
A historical marker, for the monument.
Where would you put it—right in front?
Well, we can just decide that when it's done.
Yeah. Wouldn't want to obscure it.
... corners. Because for the sons that monument that's kind of, it's pretty sacred. Yeah. Yeah.
And I know we're not, I don't want to drag this out either. However, I'm going to add in than Danny brought a list of all the people with all the dates of their birth and their death. And then Ronda was suggesting it would be nice if we compiled a little history. And this is another project for the historian or some people, but there's a lot more to it. And we can't talk about it all right now, but it was fascinating. Fascinating. So there's lots more and there was a guy there. I don't remember his name. But he he has done a lot of research recently. Danny's got it. So there's lots of interesting stuff.
So what we're looking for here is an authorization to, to, to get the sign and put it there. Right?
Say it again, Joel.
So what we're looking to is is authorization to procure such a sign and then place it.
I just need to get a hold of Pomeroy foundation.
that's not a civil war monument. That is not a civil war monument that is a monument to all individuals in Danby who have died at some time at some—in some war. And I object to making it a civil war monument
It was erected after the Civil War.
I have it right here, the records. As a matter of fact...
Well, is there anything we need to do right now then? Or should we wait for that portion to be figured out a little bit more?
Well, I think we should we should probably we should probably tell Danny, that we're okay with putting the sign up if he can get it.
It might be nice if we got to see the content.
For sure. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. Sounds like a plan.
Our organization can get that sign. It won't cost anything.
Yeah. We'll just Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty pretty solid go ahead from from us and then we'll want to see the exact wording and placement and things like that, but that's later.
You could write it if you want.
Maybe we'll leave that to the historian.
You can gather that we're basically supportive of the idea then. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Danny.
So let you guys know I got one thing to say. The first monument rebuild was at the JR mine in Ithaca City cemetery. And yours truly is being buried right across from it so I can see it
Well that's not, I hope not for a long time.
Okay, so now we turn to Laura, for the Budget Transfer resolution.
I am going to share this because I was a little disappointed that this wasn't on the attached this is the list of the budget transfers that was should have been attached to that that just the resolution portion or I guess this is part of the resolution but
the resolution just says you know as on the Attach sheet which
I I got the sheet I printed it
out. Yeah, but it was not available for the public which means we shouldn't be voting on it technically.
I'm not sure should we need this kind of detail and information we share with the only thing
the resolution said was that we're doing budget transfers the public should see what money is going from where to where
they should be able to
Yes and it says see attached sheet so we can wait till next time if you want to do that. We're already this far along in the game. So next time it'll give you guys a little more time to look it over to
Yeah, I kind of wanted to go through a little bit more and see like, just for upcoming budget season to think like Why was this this and Yep.
Look at the I, I also sent along from from our accounting, the final detail of expenditure for 2021 so that you can go on there and you can take a look, you can take a look at what these line items are, you can see, as I put in there is just a little hint, look toward the, toward the right hand column of that unencumbered balance at a glance, you can go down through there and you see a ne– see the negative, that means that went over budget. Those are the line items that we are transferring into from other line items where there were amounts there, it's a routine thing we do at the end of the year, we've been I think we've done really well, this year, we've kept up with a lot of them as we went through the year, which is really what the state wants us to do. But at the end of the year, you can't help it, there's accruals that are done. And all of that. And I know we're into June, and as you saw by my email,
yeah, and they'd be more than happy to hear about it if we postpone this until July.
Yeah, what's it going to be but, um, so I don't plan on having any more operations right away. So hopefully next year, this doesn't have to happen. But um, but you look look at that detail of expenditure. And kind of get used to that report. Because that's what we're going to start giving as we go through these months and everything. And also with our finance committee meeting, you'll be able to see, so zero in on those negatives. And then you can look at what those transfers are. And you'll see how they're being covered. When the final I went through and actually put them in through the books, I can take them back out, or it's not something that I do, but that's what we kind of need to do. And the reason for it is when we do our AUD, they want to see, they don't want to see all these negatives all over the place. They want to see that they were that they were funded, that the board approved that funding through the other parts. So that'll help you guys out, doesn't matter if we approve this tonight, we could wait till the next board meeting. At this point, we'll be earlier,
it would be nice to close the books on 2021. Before we start budgeting 2023
We will we will, I know we're going to start our budget process soon. So we'll be up to date at that point too. And, and being able to move on. But that's why I also send out that the other report, I don't have it under general fund this time, I apologize. But on the highway, and it on a budget account. It's an account analysis of the expenditures so that you can see you're not going over budget, when you're approving your abstract you're ok on the General Fund this time too even though you didn't get one. But I tried to, you know, want to keep up with that, because that's a main report, as you go month to month to see where you're at with the budget for years. And I can report to we got a nice check for. For mortgage tax. We're gonna end up with a nice summer and we have one more check that will be coming toward the end of the year. So we're going to be way over well over budget for that revenue
on heavy mortgage rates rising, it might be less Yeah, that's
true. That's true. We will, but I'm sure that whatever it's going to be it's going to be we're going to be having, you know, receiving more than we anticipated in 2021 as well. So that's just something to look forward to there.
yeah, so is it the board's pleasure to postpone this to next time?
I think it would be better.
That'd be great.
I didn't delve into it as much as I wanted to. But
also, when you do delve into it, if you want to just call me too. I'm happy to answer any questions, you find some detail for you, too, as you have individual questions, looking at it.
is this statement easy enough to get or is it kind of, like, cumbersome to put it together, just like if we're thinking about doing that throughout the year,
all the detail of expenditure, that detailed expenditure will come off and accounting piece of accounting software until there's a bank reconciliation done, because that's what's going to be really tie in the numbers is when you do bank reconciliation, and be able to close out your books for that month. And you're gonna know that that's the final check with the cash that has affected all of those account numbers. It's not cumbersome, it's just me going through doing our bank recs and doing the books and being able to print it for you. The big goal is to be able to do it and you guys have it quickly. And it's a it's a nice report. We also have one under revenues. You'll also get a trial balance balance sheet, and all of that information about the cash and what's in reserves and all of those things too on a monthly basis that will come with us. So,
because yeah, I like I like seeing that. I just didn't ... the nitty gritty.
Yeah, I like the percentage column, too. Percent remaining.
Yes, that's very useful.
And although each account has a different nature,
somewhat limited because you know, you have to know what your expected expenditures to date are. Because sometimes it's only happens in couple of chunks.
Yeah, sometimes it happens like in one chunk, like say, you know, you can see, hey, spent only 85% of the budgeted amount in our say for retirement had a bill that came in, you know, so you kind of use it as a tool. And it's something that is pretty useful.
Because at least you could precipitate question.
But you want to be looking at a good report, not just a not just, you know, well, this is a shoot from the hip, here we go,
not just a report that has no bearing
report, it's very accurate. And the way to get that is to do the bank reconciliations. And when your cash balances out, and you know, you've captured all of the pieces that fit into that, and flowing through that report and flow into it, then, you know, you get something right on.
Okay, so next time. Proposed amendment of the conservation easement template, which I think I floated a couple of months ago, and then we'll set it aside. And, now it's back again. So you recall, maybe, that the way it currently reads, it tells you that "structures improvements are prohibited, except". And this flips it around to saying, "structures and improvements are permitted, except" and it's a short list of things that are not okay. So this is a more positive way of of stating that what's in residential and active use zone is basically what people are expecting normally would be allowed in around, in and around the residences with or without an easement. And the only, The important thing for us is that is the purpose of these minutes that there is to limit you reduce the amount of development potential that would not be adding dwelling units beyond what's provided for in the easement. So basically, this says you can do whatever you want, just don't add more dwelling units. So this has already been incorporated into the into the Ravencache easement.
This is just a change to the template.
I'd like to move that we change the template.
Okay, any discussion? We're good? Janice?
yes. Okay. agreement to spend funds request number five.
Can I, Joel?
I have a request. And I have a long list besides this one. But could we could we now get a clean copy of the conservation easement template that includes this.
Um sure. In fact, what we should do is we should be making, we should be making this change to the template that's already available on the website.
Right. We end up losing it's just a fact we ended up losing a lot of changes because we don't, you know, try to answer something and we don't, you know, make a copy of the new blah, you know, so I'm gonna start asking for those. And we can put it on the website, but it would be good for town board members to have, you know, an email copy of this. Yeah. And the CAC folks too, I mean,
yeah. Okay. Okay.
Need the dog law, too. Maybe. Anyway, go ahead.
When we get there, right, sorry. Yeah. Um, okay, so we have a new opportunity here to get a deal. Tell us about Laura.
Yes, we do. And Jack's sitting right here as well. Yes, we have an opportunity to get a deal on a need to replace a culvert going across the road on Gunderman or not Gunderman—Bruce Hill Road, and the corner crossroads, of Brown Road and Bruce Hill intersection. The pipe could be would be purchased from town of Cortlandville from their overstock supplies with Jack and Keith, they look around and go, because there's a lot of municipalities that have those. So they went out, they go, and they actually look at the item and make sure that it's a good quality, even though it's been sitting in their stockpile. And sometimes they want to get rid of these things that have been sitting around, they don't have a use for that they had there. So they were able to get a deal on the pipe that they need for that project. So a sum not to exceed $12,000, we spent to purchase a 10 gauge aluminized 96 inch by 50 foot pipe with two bands. So that's, that's including the bands
Does it come in three pieces, that's why it's got two bands?
oh, there's there's three pieces, two 20 factions, because they can't deliver any longer than 20.
And you already you already did the legwork that got this size of pipe approved for that application,
that took quite a quite a lot of work, you have to work with Army Corps of Engineers, Fish, fish & wildlife, and DEC. And again, we did get approval from all of the entities mentioned, to replace the pipe. And this is actually a bigger pipe. So again, it's an improvement from what's in there. And they're going to allow it, the price of that pipe would be $23,699.32, including two bands, and that's on the OGS state contract pricing. So this is about half price. And this is a brand new pipe that's surplus that they've had. So they feel getting rid of it and helping like the shared service agreement. They're they're happy with that. It's something they don't use they've had for about five years, but it is a brand new pipe.
So that's a good deal. So that's why there's another request to spend funds. Sorry, you're getting this in chunks this year, too. But the inflation and then the projects going on at the time, once we do paving and that, whatever those prices are going to be. You could get it approved one day, and the next day, you got to go back for a different approval for the dollar amount. So we're just doing it in chunks, so this is agreement to spend funds to be able to purchase that pipe and get it get it it
also helps on a situation of the delivery type. We can already go get it versus waiting about four months like the other. Yes, yes.
That's true. I'll move this agreement to spend highway funds.
I'll second it.
This is in addition to what we've already agreed to. Any further discussion?
yeah, it's quite a steal.
[undecipherable] Keith and I went out and...
negotiated the price.
we might we need it tonight. It just started pouring.
Is it pouring there? It looks like it's gonna here.
One of 1 to 3 is what they say. But then other people have mentioned up to five.
Well we'll see.
Five is a problem.
Three is okay, Five is when we saw the last big problem
These guys will be watching it.
I don't hear anything here but anyway, Janice.
It's definitely raining here. I can hear it on the metal roof.
Thank you guys. Thank you. Hey, did we miss the—we tuned in a little later than.
Yeah, you did, you want to do it now?
the Highway report.
Yeah, we were looking for you. But you were not yet here.
Public hearings went really fast.
We stayed at work until just about six. So we tried hustling a little to be here just before
Jack, would you like to give us a brief update on how it's going?
Sure. we're glad to see Gunderman road project, getting closer, you know, we're gonna get guide rails in. The man still has to do some work behind the fire department that Army Corps approved to get some bank stabilization in there. He has some riprap to put on both sides of the bank, approximately behind the center of the fire department. That was part of this whole plan to stabilize the stream to stabilize the bank behind the fire department that he has to do whiche he'll do next week. Unless whether pending, you know the stream is too high or whatever. And then we have of course we've paved we paved Comfort Road, finally. We think we've got the water issue solved. And we're bringing in material right now that we actually got a deal on, again, we searched out for material with a shared service agreement, and we're getting material to build the shoulders so that that will save a whole lot of money there as well. And the town of Ithaca is going to come up with their shoulder machine, I'm gonna guess probably about four weeks, we should be putting shoulders on that road, comfort road. And then of course, one other step later on would be to chip seal that, we have to let it settle a little bit. But in a few months, we will be putting a chip seal on top of that. And we're working in West Danby. Again, we're solving trying to solve the water issues, we've had to lower, quite a few pipes, remove pipes, change pipes, we just did one on Brown Road, just just up south of the intersection that we're talking about Bruce Hill, and the pipe was about two feet higher than it should have been actually a little small. So we've lowered the pipe down about two feet to get the water that stands at the edge of the road near West Miller's property—the mother. And it's been this way for quite a while. And the water infiltrates the road and then you end up with these pothole conditions and a soft road. And so that's again, what we're working on. Brown road is going to have quite a bit of work down in that area. And we're starting up on Durfee Hill. And we'd like to get a number on Durfee Hill possibly see if we can't stable and get the water outside of that road. So we could pave it at least from the section of Steam Mill down to Nelson. that's kind of on hit list, we're working top right now because there's a problem up around Howard Road, we're, that's another area. So we have these areas, we have the [undecipherable] split doing all the work. To get this water, the main thing is get the water off the road. And we have to work at getting preservation on the good roads. And that's our goal, you're gonna see us come up soon with chip seal on the good road so that we don't lose them. That will be coming down the pike soon we'll probably do West King and Yaple Road, they're still good. If you don't, we technically should get into a five year plan where we're doing chips seal about every five years, we're gonna go to a class Friday, that will bring this out. If you can chip seal your roads, you will get much more service life out of them. The roads deteriorate after about five years. And then they steadily go. They lose altitude, so to speak real quick after five years and they they show a lot of signs of cracks. And we're going to try to get to a plan where we're doing the road maintenance, so to speak. But first of all, getting the road water off the road is the main thing. ditches cleaned out, pop possibly pipes change. Got a lot of culverts. As you can see, in the last two years, we have really been working hard on ditches and change of Culverts we've done a lot more in the last few years than we've done a long time. And we
I had a question for Jack, because I drove by the Brown Road work. What What? What are you going to do if anything about keeping that cut from eroding?
We're gonna hydroseed it. We're gonna put, Oh, we found a couple of streams that come out of the bank. That's been the problem. We're gonna sit them back and put some what's called davians or like it's a six inch minus rock. ... bank so it doesn't keep falling down into the road. And that's on the hit list. We hydroseeded to get growth back on the bank, we working with soil and water to hydroseed for us. That will be done soon, Possibly Thursday if weather permits.
Hopefully we don't get three inches of rain between now and then. yeah. Okay, good. Thanks.
Well, thank you.
All right. Let's see, where are we?
We are on proposed zoning law amendment for commercial zone C. So I'm assuming is
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Thank you. So we had the public hearing on this last meeting. We got a letter of no comment from Tompkins County Planning Department with their 239 review. So what's left to do is to declare yourself lead agency, which I don't think we did. There's a short form part one is an unlisted action. So we do the short form, there's a draft parts two and three form. If you looked at the short form, you'd notice the first box is checked, which that means you leave all the other boxes blank. So it looks like a pretty blank form. But there is a narrative at the end. That just describes what you're doing and why it does or doesn't have any environmental impacts. The short answer for this is that anything that is allowed by this is allowed with site plan review. So it would go through its own SEQR, if someone were to do an actual project. So the first step to move forward would be someone making a movement to declare lead agency?
I'll do that. Anyone second it?
Let's see who was first? Who did you hear first?
I heard Connors by a hair.
Okay. Not much need to have a discussion about that. So why don't we just vote on it.
Yes. Should we review the SEAF?
I think that's reasonable if I can get WorkDrive to open. Unless somebody else wants to put it on the screen.
The links on the agenda don't seem to be working? But I'll see if I can get it to open.
I got one of them to open for me. But
there we go. I think is the right one.
Yeah, that looks like mine,
Yes, that's the right one. All right, so.
As David already mentioned, the answer to Question one is Yes. Which brings you all the way to the end, the narrative
Let's see if I can get this kind of all on one page. There.
All right. Do you want me to read through this? This is essentially, it's very similar, you may notice to what was published in the Danby Area News. Explaining what we're doing here. With a little a small amount of elaboration.
You mean the Danby town news.
Thank you, Joel.
I mean, I just I just read through it real quick, because I couldn't get it from the agenda, but.
The main thing...
I'm not sure why
Sorry, go ahead...
yeah, I don't know why it just says on where does it say, undirected or something?
Yeah, I'm not sure why I created the links by clicking the new Share X new external Share Link.
That's there. This one didn't have that much. In the actual form itself.
So do we want to go to the part two and three?
So I want to emphasize, this is a draft for the town board to review. It's the town board's decision. On these I don't think it's worthwhile to read through all of the questions. I think you're familiar with those.
Can you make it a little bigger?
Do you want me to read through them Joel?
Well, why not. If anybody has any any feeling that it's anything other than no or small impact that we could speak up as David reads them through?
Sure. Will the proposed action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulation? Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land? Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that caused the establishment of a critical environmental area? Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking, or walking? Will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation and renewable energy opportunities? Will the proposed action impact existing public private water supplies, public private water treatment utilities? Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? Will the proposed action result in an an adverse change to natural resources? Wetlands water bodies groundwater, air quality flora or fauna? Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? And, will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health? There's a brief two sentence addition here, adoption of the zoning amendment will not allow any construction by right the addition of light industrial uses makes each project subject to environmental review. The adoption of the zoning change has no environmental impact. And then we need a motion to, if the board agrees with all of those findings, to find that there is no significant adverse environmental impacts from the proposed zoning change.
And I so move.
I can second that.
I thought I'd give some people an opportunity to jump in there
and I think we can go right to vote
Okay, um, Connors.
one of these days we should dress up as pirates Arrgh
Arrgh or Aye.
Well it helps you know is it an ay or an aye
Not not in our in our rules of order, you can go by yes or no
It's in the minutes.
The which brings us to the the question at hand actually the change uh the passing the law itself amending the zoning law to make the commercial zone C allowing light industrial uses within it. That there's already a resolution associated with it is there not, David?
It's also, there's also to change the we also want to change the definition of industrial establishment. Two parts.
Yes. Here's where we would be doing if we are passing this local law which is yet to be numbered, but we'd be amending local law to... add light industry and then change the definition of what industrial establishment is to take out light industry
and take out the exception exclusion of heavy industry from the definition of industrial establishing.
Yeah, I'll move it.
I'll second it.
Okay. Any discussion? Hearing none, Janice.
This is another. This is another one that if we don't, you know, do it obsessively. Things get lost. So, I mean, essentially, I want a new copy of the zoning law with those changes in it and and at least in the past, and David, if you think it shouldn't be done, yell, but when there were changes,
particularly as amended.
They were just, you know, amended or revised. And the date right next to the paragraph or the line was changed. I mean, so we don't lose, we don't lose things.
Yes. So I remember that we also part of the resolution to adopt the Norbut Solar PDZ was that that be appended in the zoning. So that's something that it's very important to me to stay on top of. And a little bit off topic, but I would just suggest as a matter of habit, we don't need to do this for every zoning update. But I would like to have a habit of once a year when we do a zoning update, having that be an amend and replace. So, yeah, so that we never run into issues of questions of what exactly is the zoning because whenever you do a repeal and replace, you have a fresh starting point.
I like that. Is this the this next one? Is this the same situation? I don't think we established ourselves as lead agency for this either. So I'll move the we declare ourselves lead agency for the New York stretch energy code, short environmental assessment form.
That's appropriate. And I'll second Shall we vote on that straightway? Janice.
Yes, I was prepared, but then now I'm not.
That was Schnabel and okay, uh Connors?
Yes. Here we are, again with the SEAF.
It seems like it's the same, same deal?
It is the same deal. Where the first question is, does the proposed action only involve legislative adopt adoption of a plan local law or ordinance administrative rule or regulation, which is yes. So at the end, there is a short even shorter narrative description of what we're trying to do and why it doesn't have a negative environmental impact. It's fairly short, so I could read through it if you would like.
Yeah, sure, go ahead.
Okay, the Town of Danby town board has proposed to implement the new york stretch energy code which modifies NY state's adopted version of the 2018 International Building Code to require increased energy efficiency. The town board's intention is to reduce energy use in new and renovated buildings, reduce the community environmental impacts, and help avert some of the damaging impacts of climate change. adaption of the more stringent energy code is not expected to have any moderate to large environmental impacts. The only small impact possible as an increase in the cost of construction in the town. Though it is expected that lifecycle energy costs will more than make up for increased construction costs. And the negative impact of affordable housing is not expected. cost and cost effectiveness of the code have been extensively documented and are incorporated by reference to the residential cost analysis report, commercial cost analysis report, and Stringency Analysis Summary provided by NYSERDA and linked on those documents.
Yes. And then what about parts two and three?
parts two and three are there as well in draft form.
just the same thing, we just went over before. Right, so no to all these first questions, and then here's a little description
which is very similar too
what was just read.
Right. So do you want to move with finding of no significant environmental impact?
I'll move that, yeah.
anyone want to second it?
Sure. Leslie was waiting to do it, but she's still muted.
Okay. Is there a reason why you shouldn't vote? No. Go ahead. Janice.
What about me? [laughter] Yes.
No you didn't. [laughter]
I heard it.
Did you? I didn't hear it. Anyway? Yes.
Now, Which brings us to again the law. Which David did a nice job of filling in the blanks and taking out the red language that was suggested to us by Gina.
I just have it sharing if anybody wanted to see a particular spot, but
and Jim is here with us, right?
I think I saw him no, yeah.
We went, we went back and forth a great long length over whether or not to include the provision on energy recovery ventilation, and heat recovery ventilation, which would have been my druthers and Jim's as well to include. But the NYSERDA seems not to have done their homework here on getting the code counsel on board with this. And what with the latest intelligence indicates that they that they are approving the adoption of the stretch code, as long as it doesn't include that provision, there are only two towns that have asked for it to be included and there's a fairly good probability that that will be denied. So the path of least resistance here is to approve it without it and just have it be a recommended Recommended Practice until it becomes part of the code. So the law that we have before us that does that, it proposes the increasing the requirements with by chapter or verse, we're, we're we're supplanting one with a more stringent requirement, and specifically excepts that provision from inclusion. So I move we adopt a local law as specified in the narrative in the beginning of... Did you want to something, David?
Yeah, just that I did have the suggestion of considering the effective date.
Oh, right. If we don't, David's concern was that we, if we, if we, if we make this effective immediately or upon filing, there's a bunch of proj, projects that are already in process or be in planning states that might be caught by it. And we don't really want to have want make them go back and redo in order to come into compliance. So it might be good to put an effective date that's farther down the road, like September 1st, or something.
Would September 1st be too early? Or is it just more applying to like new building permits? Or
Or ones that are already been approved, but the but the the
construction hasn't started? Or
Right. Or people who are in the planning stage and haven't yet submitted their paperwork?
David, do you have an effective date you'd like to see?
You know, I input that I got from Steve was the end of the year. I think Joel was kind of splitting the difference, he liked August. I don't have a great answer. Except that, you know, it takes a while to design a building, and there's people who have been designing buildings. So I think the more kind of notice you can give them and make Steve's life better to not be the one who tells them they need to go and redesign their whole building, the better. You know, I, I don't think that there's a great risk. You know, with a zoning update, we're always concerned about somebody trying to rush something in, if you delay the start, but buildings take so long to design, I don't think you're gonna have a lot of people, you know, suddenly deciding to build a house in the next, you know, four or five months because they know this change is coming. Not saying that's impossible. I suppose it could happen. But Jim, I don't know if that has would if having a longer effective date would impact the things that you're working on. But it was a it was a concern to me and that Steve also addressed that that would be awfully difficult for people who, you know, have hired an architect and have designed
I understand. Would September 1st work? Something like that? Give them the summer.
Yeah, I don't have any. Sarah?
Well, yeah, does it, if it doesn't affect our paperwork for the any of the NYSERDA clean community or I can't remember exactly what they were calling it. Yeah, I would probably want to go with December just because it or January 1st as effective because it I don't want to see people having to be redoing things.
Will it impact Jim? If it was? If we
It should not impact. it's based on the date we actually do the resolution.
So is everybody agreeable to that?
yeah, December 31st?
Uh, effective January 1st?
It says at the bottom of it, it's effective when it's filed with the secretary. So it can't be forgotten. You know, we're putting it all the way out there.
We're gonna file it, but we'll have to put but we'll file it upon passage, but it won't be effective until January 1st.
It's, I've read it says as soon as it's filed with the secretary,
that's what we're that's what we're rewriting it so it doesn't say that. We're rewriting the document that we approve.
Okay. So it will say this local law shall take effect upon or on January 1, 2023.
Yeah. Sounds good.
Okay, so let's see. Did we already move this?
No, but I'll second it. You moved it, and then nobody's seconded.
Okay. Alright, so now it's move and seconded with that change.
David had jumped in after he moved it. And then there was no second.
Okay so then I'm... Can—who fir—? Who?
Joel moved it. And then I seconded just now
Perfect. I'm with you. I'm....
Ready for a vote?
I think so.
Thank you! Hunter.
Dang it [laughter] Woodworth?
I haven't given in yet, so.
[laughter] All right, next page. Oh right, the dog law.
Thank you, Jim, for all your work helping us with
Yeah, thank you. That's exciting to
it's great to happen. Thank you guys.
You wouldn't believe how much back and forth there was about that. Trying to get it straight. So, let's see. Right.
And then this is the resolution and update to the dog law.
Right. But what we really want ah Guy provided us with a a local law revision. Just a different.
And I didn't finish formatting it. I'm sorry. But you can pull up, Sarah, if you can pull up the other thing in that folder. The TLF...
Oh, yeah, yeah. Got it. This one?
Yes. So this is a discretionary action. So I guess the question for David is do we need to do any SEQR in this? Is David still here?
I am still here. I was about to leave. [chuckling] I didn't get out the door soon enough.
[laughter] Gotta run faster
I think you probably do. I didn't occur to me any exemptions.
Guy prepared this, he didn't mention anything. So. He must've he might also have just simply assumed that we that we knew that we needed to. so, we could
Should we just put this off till next time, then?
That's what I'm thinking maybe we could defer. Could— we could declare ourselves lead agency just right now though. Yes.
I'll move that we declare ourselves lead agency.
I'll second that
Yes. So we'll deal with it next time. next up is the Ravencache easement donation. And David did look into this and discovered it's a type II action. And so we don't have to do any environmental review we can just go ahead and accept the easement and I trust everybody's had a chance to look at it now, it's been up and available for quite some time. And it's exciting.
Yeah, it has a UNA in it, right?
Yeah, no, I see. I see. Tyler's here, right. Yes.
Was James Stein yeah
this is this is the combination of a very nicely drafted easement that
Britney worked on the draft.
Yeah, I'm here too!
Yeah. [outside background noise] Of course.
Yes. So, I think we're ready to accept this?
Somebody gonna move it?
I'll move that we approve and accept the easement as presented to us.
I'll second that.
Any discussion about that?
Once again, good job.
Thank you. labor of love.
Indeed. So the vote Janice.
Yeah, we should have a ceremony
WOO HOO! [laughter]
yay. So yeah, we'll need to get together and sign it. I think it's I think the signature page has like the witnessing requirements. So you can do that. And it'll be done.
Awesome. Yeah. Just let us know where to be to sign it. I assume there has to be like a notary present or something?
Can Janice do that? Or no, because it's,
yeah I think so.
I'm just assuming conflict. But no, she has to sign do stuff for the town all the time. So that doesn't make any sense.
No, I mean, no, all the all the notary does is say yes, this person. I know this person was the person who is represented to be when they signed it. And I saw them sign it,
the revis--revisit policy and correspondence and privilege of the floor.
I was supposed to write something up, but I didn't.
I was wondering 'cause I was going to say now, what were we going to do about that because I...
it was more that I wanted to restructure how it was listed in the in the agenda template, but it's a small change. I'll just do it next time.
Okay, we'll postpone that. The level of operation. As more and more places open up. Do we want to, we want to maintain our mask requirement?
Let's see now, who just got COVID? [chuckles]
The more and more places open up, the more and more people are getting sick. You know?
And luckily the numbers are still right. Actually, the numbers aren't declining, are they?
Anyway, someday I'll probably be out voted but I, I I, it doesn't kill anyone to wear a mask.
the summer keeps doing this to us for the last two years, and it's making me worried. So, it's like
you mean the numbers go down over the summer and then they pick back up in the fall.
Yeah. And rather than playing catch up, it's I don't think it's a big deal. We just need to have masks on hand because people are getting used to not wearing them. So they're not carrying them around as much anymore, which I don't blame people for. So we just need to have some on hand.
We do actually have a lot of masks. And we also have a lot of COVID tests. If anybody needs a COVID test...
I somehow have managed not to get it yet. Yet everyone else in my family has
Yeah, I don't know how you managed it—you sure you didn't get it and just had a mild case and didn't recognize it?
Yeah, cuz I was taking a test like every day. And so
that's what happened here with Jack.
But fingers crossed.
My sister got it. My brother-in-law got it.
And then you were went to the same place Fauci went to.
Yes and we probably both got it in the same place.
Is that it for our agenda, then?
It seems the consensus is to
leave things alone, yeah.
For next meeting, the budget transfers,
budget transfers, I have the dog law, the policy and correspondence and privilege of the floor, and levels of operation. Miss anything?
I don't think so. Not directly from here, but there will be others, I'm sure.
I'm sure. There always is. Especially toward the end.
So it SEQR with and the just the regular dog. Do we have to have the do we have to reopen the public hearing? I wouldn't think so...
No. You can you can act within a certain period of time after the public hearing.
So I think we're good except that we didn't—we skipped a step.
It's 759 people. We did it.
We had eight minutes there because we started at...
And so the state has extended the ability to do this until July.
July 14th. Yeah. So first meeting will be fine. We'll see about our second one.