Care of Magical Shippers Podcast Episode 2 - Hip Hip, Haromione!

2:07AM May 24, 2021

Speakers:

Nathan

Megs

[Music]

Victoria

Keywords:

hermione

harry

ron

laughter

ship

feel

people

read

book

trio

love

fic

ginny

headcanon

thinking

find

relationship

hogwarts

friends

war

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Oh, did she runaway?

No, I'm just eating my banana and didn't want to be to--

You don't want us to watch you eating your banana?

Yeah, exactly.

Did you not want to make eye contact while eating the banana? It's normally what I do. I creep people out.

You're on the canon ground, I'm up in crack ship space . Let's start a shipping war, don't care if I get hate. Don't like my pairings, well, then you can hit the bricks. This is my OTP, I'll go down with this ship! I don't care. I ship it. I don't care. I ship it, I ship it.

Hi, I'm Megs.

And I'm Nathan.

And welcome to Care of Magical Shippers, A Harry Potter ship culture podcast.

Whoo!

Whoo! So this week, our first ship that we'll be doing to start off this pod is a poly ship, the golden trio. So we're really excited to get into probably our three most popular characters and how they work together. And we happen to have a friend with us that's going to join us on this journey.

Yeah, in keeping with the triad, we thought we'd ask a guest host to come on and join us this week. And we're thrilled to be joined by our friend we know through Fanatical Fics, Victoria. Hi, Victoria.

Hi Megan. Hi, Nathan. I'm so thrilled to be with you.

We're so glad to have you here. It's really exciting. She's been with us from the very beginning of the pod infancy and helping us out with everything. So this is gonna be a lot of fun.

Yes, one of the OG's.

So Victoria, what is your favorite ship?

Um, that's hard because I ship so many. And since I started with both of you, I have only more ships. I really, really-- shit what's the word? No! [laughter]

Yeah, since I started with the both of you. I'm really so enthusiastic about so many ships. So I think if I had to pick I would just go for really rare pair. I ship really hard a polycule of the four founders.

Oh, yes, definitely interested in that. I haven't read anything. But that's definitely a really interesting kind of like old time golden trio, I guess? If that makes some sense, because they started everything together. So I like that one.

Golden, golden quad?

Gold. Yeah, I don't know. What color would they be?

Yeah, and then-- Yeah, because they're each of the four house colors. So it would look something I don't know, it would look a bit like the Google logo wouldn't it? Like Hogwarts.

It would like-- Hogwarts with the Google Font in different colored letters.

I mean, the Windows logo has the four colors of the four houses, so.

There we go.

Oh, that's perfect.

So what's your favorite probably cursed pairing.

As I'm not a big fan of reading anything about Snape, I would probably go with Voldemort. And since I read a couple of these lately, I would go actually with Tom Riddle slash Hermione.

Oh.

Oh, very nice. Oh, it's so cursed, but it has such potential. I love it.

Is this with like time travel or like younger Tom Voldemort, I'm thinking?

Yeah. Yeah, it's mostly time travel and in a couple of fics it's Hermione travelling back to stop him becoming evil or to travel back and kill him.

Go Hermione!

Yes.

And then she just catches feelings and. Yeah, it's really cursed but really good.

She's just like, I've had enough of this. I'm going back in time to stop him before any of this can kick off. And then she gets there. And she's like, wait, he's hot. [laughter]

So what is a character from the Harry Potter fandom that you think doesn't get enough love?

Oh, ready. Here have good questions. [laughter]

Thank Nathan! [laughter]

Thanks Nathan!

Are you so sorry? [laughter]

We could probably give people these ahead of time in the future.

Yes please!

most underrated character. I think I just go with Arthur Weasley. It's-- he's such a great dad and he's not pursuing money to be better off but just does what he loves. And he raises his children in such a great way. And I just adored the relationship between him and Molly. So yeah, I'd go with Arthur.

Oh, yeah. Arthur is wonderful. Love Arthur.

Yeah. And he's just-- He is such an innocent in a way, you know, his love of muggle stuff, his just unabashed love for his family that isn't really filtered through any of the wizarding world stuff. It's just so he's such a pure character in a way.

Yes, He's so good. He's so good.

Yeah, and a real badass, when he joins the Order, the second time and in the Battle of Hogwarts. And I remember reading something probably on Tumblr about how someone's headcanon or it's been kind of discussed that when he acts dumb, like doesn't know the answer to something, it's for the benefit of like the kid or person that he's talking to, because he wants them to either figure it out or know, like, find out if they know before him just saying like, Oh, I know everything. So he kind of wants to help the kids grow in that way, which I think is just so him, for him to just be like, oh, what, you know, what do you think? Or I'm gonna say this wrong or whatever, like, especially with muggle money. It's like, you know, numbers, right? Like, it still has numbers on it, so it's not-- Like, is this a five? It's like, it's it's a 20 or whatever, because it's like, it has numbers on it, you're not gonna not know. So I just like to think of it in that way that he wants to give validation to the kids to help you know them have confidence, I guess you could say.

Yeah, and I think he has one of the most prescient lines in the entire series, when he says, 'never trust anything that can think for itself, if you can't see where it keeps its brain.'

Yeah.

Which is just so appropriate.

Alright, last question. [laughter] I don't even know what my answer would be so buckle up

Oh great.

Shag, Marry, Kill. Justin Finch-Fletchley, Susan Bones, and Lee Jordan.

Okay, um, they are all great. I don't want to kill anyone. I'm a Hufflepuff for fuck's sake [laughter]

Okay, um, I think I'll go with, kill Justin Finch-Fletchley, I'm sorry. Sorry. Might have--

He's in your house! [laughter]

I know! That's-- I will probably shag Susan Bones and marry Lee Jordan, because he sounds like the most fun husband I could ever imagine.

Oh, for sure, like long term spend time with absolutely. Being friends with the twins, you have to have some level of good humor for sure.

Yeah.

Absolutely. My only worry with Lee Jordan is that he would commentate every aspect of life.

You're right. 'Victoria has the toast. She's pulling out the jam.' [laughter]

Well, that's the reason why I didn't pick shag for him.

Oh my gosh. [laughter] Oh Lord. Yeah, commentary on sex that would be-- that'd be interesting, that's for sure.

So what is it about the golden trio that's so golden?

Yeah, I think the golden trio is just so good when they're with each other. They complement each other so great. They fill each other weaknesses. And they just work only when they are all together. So it's only natural for them to be all together.

I read somewhere that part of the reason they work so well as a cohesive unit was to sort of counter Voldemort and his horcruxes. The fact that he had split his soul, there's was like a soul coming together that could act as one cohesive unit which is why to me, it-- Why are you laughing? What What are you doing?

I'm crying. [laughter]

I'm so! I was like, why is Megs laughing? What have I done? What is wrong?

Nothing! No! I'm no-- I just think that's so sweet. Oh, their soul is pure together and the Voldemort soul and Gosh, I'm sorry, no, just ignore my face.

So so they work as a sort of Horcrux opposite. That the sort of the what was it that, was it Charmed? That series where it was like 'the power of three will set us free.' It's very much like their individual personalities coming together to defeat one big bad.

Yeah. And they each individually have really strong personalities that benefit for different reasons. Like obviously Hermione is very analytical and logical and book focused on fact and reason. So she kind of keeps the two grounded. Ron is kind of more like kind of up in the clouds open to the crazy, you know, he'll say like, what about this and they might look at him like, 'That's stupid,' But then later on, like, we actually should have done it that way. So it really kind of benefits. And then Harry can be kind of quiet, but his gut instincts are good. So I think he kind of challenges Hermione sometimes even to her displeasure, that she just wants to be right all the time. And he's like, No, you kind of have to just go with your gut, she's like, your gut knows nothing. [laughter]

So I just I love them as a group, even as friends, when they were younger, them coming together. They're just, they're the perfect group of friends, for sure. And I could see them growing as they do in the books together as a unit, because even parts that I like to think about is the times when they are separated, like, well, what is it in Book Three, when they have the issue between Hermione and Ron with Scabbers, and Crookshanks, like what kind of rift to that puts between them and how it disrupts their whole dynamic, and Harry feels awkward because he's kind of balancing between the two. And then we get to the fourth book, and we have Ron who gets super jealous of Harry in the Triwizard Tournament. And Hermione is that, you know, kind of back and forth of trying to keep them together, even though they're being stubborn. So it's just really interesting to see one not included, really just messes everything up for them. So I couldn't imagine them being apart or having separate lives.

Absolutely. Yeah. And I really like how Hermione just loses all her intelligence if things are going down. And if panic comes and gets her, and that are the reasons, the situations rather, when Ron really starts showing his smarts and his analytical skills. And that's just such a nice dynamic. And then there's Harry in the middle, just with his gut that gives him the right instincts at the right moment. And as I said, as soon as one of them is not with the others, the other two are just they are lost for it, and they can't work properly. They can't get anything done, as we see most of the time when Hermione's not around. But

Yes, 100%

it's even the same when Ron is not around in the seventh book.

Yes, yep, that was gonna be my next thing. Because another I mean, a big pivotal moment for all of them, really, because even in canon like Harry shuts down, like he doesn't want to like accept what happened. He sees that Hermione's really upset and wants to give her space to be upset. So he kind of folds it in. And I can only imagine what's going on inside that he's not potentially willing to confront if we're looking at it from a ship aspec. Even the relationship between Ron and Hermione, they dance around it forever. They're not even officially together in the seventh book. So if we're thinking about the trio as like a poly unit, they all are dancing around each other. So after all is said and done, especially at the end, how when Harry dies, I mean, how that could affect the two of them, it would be just-- there's no way to describe how that could have made them feel because they thought that they were protecting him, he disappeared, they didn't know where he went. And then all of a sudden for Hagrid to show up with him in his arms, ultimately, as they would believe dead, as friends on one hand has to be completely traumatic, but then also to feed a fic situation with a ship, them realizing their true feelings on how empty they are without Harry, which is a big thing and him coming back defeating Voldemort then they have their time to move on. It's-- Yeah, I mean, it's a great stepping stone for getting into eighth year or post war post, you know, Battle of Hogwarts for them to really come together and continue their strength as a trio, I guess, but then also have that deeper, intimate bond.

Yeah, I think it's definitely it's definitely possible for them to function when they're not the trio when they have times apart, but what they really shine most when they're together. And this is why coming at this sort of from the point of view of an outsider, what I would ask, to be devil's advocate, why is the trio as a ship so much more forgiving, or so much more expansive than just harmony or than just Romione? Why does it work so much better? And I think you've like you've partly answered that because you've said that there because they deal with things together. They've learned almost to go through life leaning on each other. So it follows that any emotional developed and interpersonal character story that we may get after the books leave off, will pick up where that leaves off. But but just from the three of them, why does that work so much better?

I think it's just about how they balance each other and whenever you only have two of them. There is some kind of imbalance and sure that can be worked around in fics or even in canon, when we suppose they get with whomever they get in canon, but I think the three of them just learned to live with each other so much. And yeah, they just work as a whole, so good that whenever one of them is missing, there's just one dynamic missing. And I could see a lot of trouble and a lot of fighting, resulting in the missing trio member.

I think of a Drarry fic that I'm a big fan of that I love. What We Pretend We Can't See by gyzym, I think is what it is. And part of it. It's a really long, fic, it's Harry feels kind of lost and doesn't really like his work as an Auror and is trying to figure out himself and he's obviously has a lot of like self doubt or, you know, resentment for surviving when so many people did not. And he's just has all this trauma, post war, of course, Ron and Hermione get married, and they start having kids. And as soon as that happens, Harry feels lost. He feels like he doesn't have a place anymore. And of course, eventually it's he finds Malfoy and happily ever after. And yeah, bla bla and all that stuff. Here's my place. Wonderful, perfect. Like, it's great. It's great. But that was really eye-opening to getting into some really deep emotional feeling from Harry to really consider how when they announced their second kid, and they didn't tell him first. He knew about the first kid, and then they told everyone together, he felt really hurt. And kind of like, Oh, I always saw us as a team. I saw us as a unit. And now I feel like they're the team and I have no place. So ultimately, even though he's not meant to be with them, that really resonated with me as far as a foundation for this ship, and how him being a part of it really helps them heal and helps them all heal. And it really is potentially a really beautiful thing.

And when you say trauma, I just have to think of all the trauma each of them have to have after the war and and it's just they know each other so well. They know what each of them has gone through. And I love all the stories of mental health issues are talked about, because that's a huge thing one should talk about, in my opinion

Yeah

And I love when they help each other with their panic attacks or their depression, whatever they have as trauma. And yet them being together can give them the security, they wouldn't have. Because in war, it always meant danger when one of them wasn't with them. And so I think that's something that fuels this ship even more.

I keep thinking back to that scene with the murtlap in the fifth book, whenever Harry has revealed that his hand is being cut open, he's been in these detentions where Umbridge is torturing him by essentially scarring these words in to his hand. And so Hermione conjures this murtlap essence or I forget actually how it happens. But there's murtlap essence there that she procures, and that he, he dips his hand into this bowl and soothing. I sort of feel like post war that's what they do for each other.

So what are some specific instances found in canon that you feel really defend or give that give life to this ship, potentially.

Lots of people speak about the Yule Ball as the one big thing that starts Ron and Hermione. But if you look at book four, you'll see Ron is really really jealous of Harry a lot of the time and both of them aren't able to find any women they find interesting. because Hermione is not yet registered as a woman in their brains

Hermione you're a girl?

Yeah, yeah.

A couple of trolls. Trolls, excuse me?

Yeah, but Ron's really jealous. And I mean for Harry, Ron is the one person he would miss most at that point. And those are just a couple of dynamics I could see perfectly well playing out in a polyam ship.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, I mean, just to expand off that the the fact that they were fighting and going months without speaking, when Ron and Harry start talking again, it's after that first task; another instance of danger and threat to Harry's life that makes Ron go well shit like he could have died. I mean, I saw how the tasks went for everyone else like three people before Harry. And each time I could see him at the edge of his seat or just freaking out at the at, you know, anticipation of Harry coming out and having to do this especially for the horntail. He has to have a good amount of knowledge of dragons being Charlie as his brother. He was the one who secretly was the person to mention having Harry go to find the dragons so to find out that that would be the one for him to face had to just be terrible. So as soon as it was done he came up to Harry and pretty much said, I'm sorry, I've been an asshole and I miss you and Harry's like, 'We're fine. We're good. Like I'm I'm glad to have you back,' because he's just missed him so just intensely over months, and the fact that it's been months of them not talking but then sleeping mere feet from each other. I mean, you could literally turn on one side they could be facing each other and then are they awkwardly turning to face away from each other? It's not like they can avoid one another. They're in classes together, they sleep right next to each other. So to go that long without talking had to have just been so emotionally draining and so for the second task to have Harry find out you know, Dobby being like hey, they have Ron and he's taking it absolutely seriously and he thinks Ron's gonna die and just is like, Well, fuck, I need to go help him now. And even though Hermione was selected by Krum, I just think because Hermione had been constant like she's always been there, the feeling of loss for her was less prominent than with Ron because he had lost him. So that was really powerful for him to think of all the people that he would miss the most it would be Ron, which I think is obviously strong for a friendship aspect. But then as far as romantically, a very pivotal starting point for at least the Harry/Ron dynamic, for sure.

Yeah. For me, personally, I think of a lot of the smaller moments. Sometimes these are silly moments that happen at breakfast, or you know, the intimate moments that happen in the Great Hall. One thing that keeps sort of popping to the forefront of my mind is whenever Hermione is getting hate mail, because Rita Skeeter's run the article about her. And she's and all of these people are sending poison pen letters. And with the other two are just sort of rallying in defense her, almost, you know, on instinct. But to me, those moments go beyond what you typically expect a friendship to do. You know, they're so close, they do things on instinct, they don't think about these things, they almost live in each other's pockets. And to see these little comfort in response to stuff like this really solidifies their relationship to that level of emotional investment, the fact that I can believe them together because I know what they've been through as a throuple.

There are a couple of ways such a three-way relationship could go, like one person at the center and two people being in love with this one person, but not each other. But just being really good friends. Or all three of them being to in love with each of them. So what do you think is the most natural part of the throuple?

Well, for me, obviously, I see it, as you know, potentially the three of them because of things we've already discussed, like there's so many strong bonds between some of them. But I feel, after having talked this through, not that Harry and Hermione don't have that bond, they've been through all this, and I see them as friends, I could see Ron being the central that Harry and Ron are together, and Ron, and Hermione are together. And then Harry and Hermione are friends. That's where I would drive things. I could read or believe any of it. I mean, that's just something that I see Ron as a really emotional pillar for both of them, I guess. Like he's really passionate. And I can see that passion derived in two directions. So that's kind of the way I see it.

It's funny, you should say that, because I sort of feel like Hermione would be the middle. Because I just feel like Ron, I don't know, maybe I'm doing the character of Ron a disservice because I'm reading too much into Ron from the films opposed to Ron from the books. You know, he gets absolutely disparaged in the films and that they're two different characters, but I do feel like Ron is coming from a more traditional wizarding background, and I feel like he's had these stumbling blocks before where he starts to come up against prejudices in his own culture, where he's been, he has adapted to though`, but he's always been the slowest to take on new information and assimilate that into a broader viewpoint. And I sort of feel like that would translate into his relationships as well and his emotional development. So I feel like because Hermione is so wise beyond her years, she has the the nous and the wherewithal and the staying power to have these other two guys.

Yeah, I read both of these rage reasonings, but I, myself really think that they would only work as a threeway like everyone has a relationship with everyone. And what's really important, not only in like shipping, but also in real polyam relationships that goes this way is that every such relationship is maintained and is as important as the other ones, especially in such close throuple as the trio would be. And so I totally see that the relationship between Harry and Hermione wouldn't be as romantic or passion-filled as maybe a relationship between Ron and Hermione, but I think it would be a really intimate and close. Yeah, just loving relationship all the same.

Yeah, Yeah, cuz I could see Harry having grown up without obviously like his parents or a sense of family and Ron and Hermione are that to him, like they are his family. So even as far as a female partner goes, Hermione has been their mom, like she has like, helped them with their growth and to have someone to feel safe, and that loves you unconditionally, and would do anything and everything for you. I feel like it offers Harry an opportunity to feel like wanted and loved especially by like a female figure that he feels safe with and can really be vulnerable, which I think as far as like, he really can struggle struggle with emotions and that vulnerability aspect, because he has to be strong or hold that back for so long. So yeah.

I also I can see it working as a sort of a threesome, but I feel as well, that of all of the characters Ron would be jealous, because we've seen this in canon. So I feel like the Ron jealousy element would come into play. Now, I feel like there's a lot of wiggle room to resolve it a lot of different ways you could do that. And I certainly think, you know, I don't see Ron as a two dimensional character. I definitely think he can grow and learn. But I think Ron would probably be the quickest to err on the side of resentment and jealousy. But also, you know, these are people ultimately that he's grown up around.

So now I picture a two bedroom flat, one of them being Ron's pout room, like when they go, all have their [laughter] when they all have their row together, and they're just really, instead of the, you know, sending someone to sleep on the couch or whatever, Ron takes it upon himself to sleep in the other bedroom because he's just too mad. So it's just like, he has his kind of like little safe haven to just like chill out and get over it. And then in the morning comes down for her-- Maybe he makes breakfast or something and then everyone, everything's all good. So just gives him that space to, you know, just to chill out.

Yeah, he absolutely has a Chudley Cannons themed space.

Absolutely, yeah. [laughter] Yeah. And it's great that you bring up jealousy because that's something always really important in polyam ships or in polyam relationships. And jealousy is just something polyam people learn to live with. Polyam people still are really jealous. And just yeah, go about it in a different way, or try to, at least in accepting the feeling and questioning, okay, why am I feeling jealous? Am I missing something? And I could really see that as something Ron, would learn a lot from. And that's something I really like when I read polyam, Harry, Ron, Hermione, that it gives all three of them the possibility to learn and to grow in character through these things. And especially for Ron, to overcome this jealousy and to overcome his issues with self worth he got from growing up, as with so many brothers, I mean. And Harry overcoming the strong feelings of being unwanted and unloved, because he always has these two people through here to remind them that he is loved and that he is worthy of loving and Hermione, to stay grounded, to have a safe haven for her in this new world without her parents in some fics when she doesn't get them back, to have just two of them to ground her on to keep her safe.

And that breaks my heart but in fics where Hermione parents don't want to have anything more to do with her because of what had to happen and what follows on after the Obliviation stuff. It really you know, sometimes it to write love well, you write the loss of love as well, to sort of encapsulate what it can mean and what it can represent to somebody and I feel like Hermione has had to do an awful lot of that in a very short space of time. So for her especially to maybe be open receiving love from different avenues or maybe from from avenues she herself didn't anticipate is a nice development and a believable, plausible development for me.

So as far as them moving forward as a throuple I guess you could say, what do you think their dynamic would be or their lifestyle would be like? What their careers are or what they, I don't know, something like that. [laughter]

I always pictured Ron going to do something with George, because I think that he would see it as the chivalrous thing to do. I don't think he'd be feel like he was trying to fill in for Fred, or you know, step into Fred's shoes, but I feel I feel like for him, he would want to be in a place where he could re-embrace what's fun about his life, and really redefine what that means for him. So I think I could never see him as an Auror.

No!

I don't think you'd want to live in a space where he voluntarily steps up to be in Harry's shadow again, you know, I just don't think he'd want to do that to himself. So I think I think he'd be off doing something fun, whether that's with George in Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, or whether they both go off to set up some new ventures somewhere, I'm not sure, but I could see them working together. As for Hermione, I know she has lofty ambition, and a lot of people put her high up in the ministry. I feel like she would want to travel. And my my headcanon for her has always been that she goes and explores for a few years, you know, she can always come back and do, you know, take up a position in the ministry later. She's certainly got the brains for it. But I think she would want to broaden her worldly and cultural experience, as well as you know, broadening her own personal horizons. [laughter] So, so I feel like she'd go off and travel. I don't know, maybe she could document it, she'd certainly get some sort of publishing deal with Flourish and Blotts, no problem.

Kind of like a Newt Scamander type, you know, like, going around to like, find and learn as much as she can because you know, she's read every single book that exists in any [laughter] so it's like, I-- What do I not know, and I'm gonna find out and I'm gonna write it down. I love that.

Exactly. And I think that, you know, it can build off her background with things like SPEW where she's not just-- she isn't just Newt Scamander-ing as in to find all these weird, magical creatures, she's going to find out ways in which maybe traditions and systems have been put in place to enslave creatures, and looking at ways to reevaluate that. that's what she doesn't.

No, I like, I love that for sure.

Yeah, I really think she would go on to pursue higher education, go to university or something, and then come back and fix what she thinks is broken in the British government. And I don't think that maybe she would go to the ministry, but she really understands the system and the Ministry.

Oh for sure.

And I could really picture her as a freelancer of sorts, orchestrating demonstrations, and working from outside to change some things in the ministry.

Yeah, and playing off of the Ron thing, Nathan, you brought up a really good point of we know that he is constantly in everyone's shadow. So it's, that's part of where this the jealousy stems from between him and Harry. So yeah, to, even though in fic, I've read where Ron ends up being a better Auror than Harry, which I mean, is great, then it shows that like, he gets the validation that he needs, but I still don't I don't see him in that, like, as you say, I think he would-- he's, he's just as funny as the twins are. So I think he would have so much fun joining up with George to do Weasley'S Wiz, and then even Harry, I can picture him going into you know, Auror training and thinking that's what he wants, because it's expected of him because it's like, well, I took down the biggest Dark Lord of you know, the of the times and so I might as well help with some burglars or something like that, whatever, like magical law enforcement, but then finding it's not where he wants to be. Because either it brings up some of that trauma, again, like it's just having those type of situations. I want to picture him doing something really, like I don't know, expressive, whether it's being like a cook or or a baker or an artist or you know, something like that, that it's just he really finds himself or finds something that he can get into that's just his and makes him happy. And he's not, he's focusing on himself for the very first time, but also giving to others because if you're providing something for other people, and it makes them happy, there's nothing more validating than that versus putting yourself out there for other hurting people.

Yeah, I can't see Harry as an Auror either, because that's something he never chose for himself. There are a lot of fics where he goes on teaching in Hogwarts and while I could still see that, him as being defense against dark arts teacher or something, I read a fic once. I don't remember the name, it was a Drarry one I think, he doesn't go to the school because he doesn't want all the fame that would still be upon him from all the students and everything, but he goes on and becomes a private teacher for schooling all these kids that don't go to Hogwarts and are giving tuition or something like that.

Oh I love that!

And I really like that because it gives him the opportunity to do something on his own and to bond with single children. And I really like that kinda that he's something of a stay home partner and does all the chores, not because he was used to doing them in the Dursley's, but because he really likes it because it's something calming something known to him. And yeah, I could just see that for him.

I love everything about that

That is so wholesome and beautiful. I love it. That is incredible.

I love now I'm thinking about just all those relationships that they still will maintain like afterwards like they're there together and everyone understands it and is okay with it. Like, especially Luna. Like, you mean, you guys weren't together already? Yes. [laughter] You know what I mean?

Exactly. Or she or she'd be like 'you were together in your minds anyway'.

It was all destined to be.

Yeah Exactly. It's, oh gosh.

Love that.

It's so good. Oh, I love that.

In this universe, we are creating where the three of them are together, what happens with Ginny? And how does the Ginny-Harry relationship that we see in the books evolve? Okay, so this is another part of my throuple or trio headcanon is that she had in her mind who she thought Harry was, I mean, they became friends later on, and she did get to know him as a person. But from the get go, she grew up reading about him obsessing over him for years, we see it all the way through the fourth book, when she's really disappointed that she said yes to Neville because she had the chance to go with Harry. And she, you know, she starts dating other people, probably more so because even I think it was Hermione that said, you have to move on, like you have to do, you can't wait around for him, like it's not going to happen. So she does. She's trying to find what she wanted from him and other people and grow from that. But then at the opportunity to actually have that with him? Oh, she's on it, like white on rice. I mean, she is ready for that. But then as things move forward, like they have their short while together, and then the Horcrux hunt is coming up. And they have to do that and just the extent in which she and Harry are able to just be okay with like going separate ways, like and being understanding of that, versus him telling his-- like telling Ron and Hermione, like, you don't have to come with me, like, you don't have to do this. But when they are adamant about like, yes, yes, we're coming, like we do everything together, you know, Harry has that relief or that want or desire to have them with him and at his side, whereas like, if I was with Harry Potter, and you know, and, and have been in love with him for years, and then wanted to have the chance to be with him, and then all of a sudden, we have to break up for reasons. I mean, I just, she's too cool about it. Like, she's way too cool about it in my, in my opinion. So I feel like them coming back together. It's even in the end of the books when Harry's like, you know, like, oh, there's time to talk or maybe years to talk or that sort of thing. And I mean, it doesn't have to be. Like you had your time together, and however brief, like it's not like you have to pick up where you left off. Like it might have been something that you could have seen like it was it was great. It was a great few weeks, or however long it was, I could see them just reaching a point of like, you know what, we're better as friends, we've worked as friends for longer than the few weeks we were as a couple. And I love you for that. And I just I don't think that there would be hurt involved. Not that there couldn't be, but that's just what I would I would hope for them.

I broadly just agree with mostly everything you've said, because I think we think similarly about that anyway. I always saw Ginny as this really, you know, independent fierce free spirit of a woman who would feel after a while, like if you've ever fallen in love with the idea of someone and then watch them become human. You know what it feels like to go, okay, I've built them up in my head to be something that they're not. And the reality of this is falling short of what I'd hoped it might be or dreamt it. And so I feel like because Harry's had to do all of this running about after horcruxes and you know, go off on his world saving adventures, I think she, while the love between them is real, I think she can be pragmatic about it and go, it's real and I love him, but it's also not enough for me and I want to go and find something else that suits me better.

Yeah, I totally love both of these answers, and I can't help but agree. I think you've brought up most of the things I have in my head. One that Ginny is so appealing Harry because she's some kind of mixture between Hermione and Ron and I don't like to talk down upon Ginny because she really has her own growth and everything. But I could also really see that it's her wittiness and her smarts that reminds Harry of Hermione and her humor and the way she does little things and little gestures that remind him Ron. And because he doesn't yet realize that he's really feeling more than just friendship for these two persons, that he latched on to the next similar thing. And after the war and all the trauma, he just realized, yeah, I actually love these two people. And Ginny is like a really close sister and someone I really love, but not in a way that a relationship would work. And on the other hand, I think responding to your point, Nathan, that Ginny is really a free-minded person, that she wouldn't be able to give Harry the continuity that he would want and need after the war and the safety, because she just, oh, I have a job with this Quidditch team. And I'll be away for I don't know how many months. I think Harry couldn't live with that very well.

Yeah, I feel like that there'd be a lot of Harry needing to find his feet after the war anyway. But the minute you start to bring romance into it, I think, you know, he'd probably need to just take a year to decompress from everything before he could commit to anyone, you know, but I just feel like we because that situation is already so charged. Partly, his ego is stroked as well, because he's very aware that he literally died and came back for the sake of the wizarding world. So I think he would need some time to reevaluate his place in a world that is now safe and not under constant threat. And I think because he's had to, from his perspective, he's had to shrink from all of this for so long. The possibilities open to him, especially given his fame, have got to be overwhelming as well. Right?

For sure. Okay, so after all this, you know, golden trio talk, just to close this episode up. I was wondering, as far as the golden trio goes, who would you fuck? Who would you marry? And who would you kill? [laughter]

Oh.

Oh, okay. Okay, well, I would marry Hermione, simply because I feel like she is the most grounded. And I'm an airhead. So she would call me out on all my ridiculous bullshit. And I would fuck Harry and I would kill Ron. I'm sorry. I, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I just of the three of them have the three of them, to me, Ron is the weak link, even though they're all great in their own ways. And we've just spent, you know, however long it was unpacking it. I just feel like Ron is the weak link. There, I've said it. I'm sorry. Not sorry.

So for me, then, oh god [laughter] this is, um, I would--

Well since we know what you're shipping. We know who you want you to fuck, I think. [laughter]

No- Ac- okay, so, [laughter]

That's so-- That is is such a read. Well done. Oooh!

Oooh! I take it, I take it, I own it. I own it. So I would definitely marry Ron just because he's hilarious. And I feel like he would keep life very interesting. Um, and as far as fuck yeah, it would have to be Harry. I just [laughter]

I knew it! [laughter]

Yep, to me, he is the most fuckable usually by men, but that's fine. I'll take one for the team.

And then Hermione, just because we're both very strong female energies, I just feel like we'd really conflict and I don't need that negativity in my life, so she can. [laughter] So I'm sorry Hermione, but I'll be taking it'll be my throuple action here. So. So there's mine. [laughter]

I would agree with you, Megs and marry Ron cuz he's just the absolute best in my opinion.

Yeah! He's great!

That's fine, you can outnumber me, It's fine. I don't care. [laughter]

But I think I'd marry Ron. I'd fuck Hermione because she's read all of these books. And I'm sure she's pretty good.

Oh, yeah. She knows.

She knows her stuff.

Yeah. And then she knows her body so she would know your body.

Yeah. She's got more than book learning. Yeah,

Surely. Yeah. And I mean, girls dormitories, right? [laughter]

Right?! Yes!

And then I'd have to kill Harry, I'm sorry, but at least I know he'd be fine somehow? [laughter]

Would he?! Are you sure? Are you not just condemning him to an eternity at Kings Cross like what the fuck did I deserve to get back here again?

No.

He has Sirius, he has Remus, he has his family

Exactly. He'd be well sort of looked after.

All right, so as this ship goes down we're about to set sail with a new ship and that would be Tomarry. So next episode we're going to be diving into Harry slash Tom Riddle. So we're really excited to get into our first slash ship. So if there's anything that you love about this ship, in particular, any recs that you have, please shoot us an email CareofMagicalShippers@gmail.com or send us a Tweet @MagicalShipPod. We'd love to hear your point of view as far as what works or what doesn't with this one, and we're looking forward to digging into it a little bit further next time.

I ship it!

We'll be reading a fanfic together the three of us so-- Nope, sorry, sorry, good [laughter] Ee-Ee-Ee Okay.

oh, sex.

We're all gonna be having sex together and maybe read some fanfiction and then we're gonna talk about it [laughter]

We'll just spend an hour suggestively eating bananas at each other. [laughter]

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