Shalom everybody Eliana light here thank you so much for joining us once again on the light lab podcast. I hope you are staying safe and warm and finding moments of meaning and blessing and deep breaths wherever you happen to be. I am super excited to share today's interview with Cantor Rosalie. Well, I met Rosalie about a decade ago, which is insane to me, at Hava Nashira. A communal song leader singing training camp slash retreat. It changed my life she has changed my life. We're going to talk a little bit about it. And Cantor Rosalie well, has been a congregational Cantor and is a recognized leader in the field of communal singing, song leader training, worship, leadership and strategic planning for 16 years. And if you're like worship, that's an interesting word to use for what we're doing here. We get to talk about it in this interview. She has worked with the Union for Reform Judaism for many years as the director of worship and music, and now continues with them in more of a consulting role. She also does worship consulting, clergy coaching, mentoring, and weekend residency is on her own. She has so many cool things that are coming out soon, including a book called Song leading a work of art that will be published this spring. And she's launching. And this podcast is the first public recognition The first mention of it anywhere, a new nonprofit organization called Sing unto God, a home and gathering place for resources, programming, learning and networking for communities, congregations and individuals who believe in the power of meaningful worship and communal singing, to bring justice, wholeness and healing to our world. Amen. Amen. So excited for all of Rosalie's work. And I'm so excited for you to get to hear about it. So take a listen to my interview with Cantor Rosalie. Well, she