Welcome to the Kansas reflector Podcast. I'm Reporter Tim carpenter. I'm sitting with Kansas Secretary of State Scott Schwab, who is an experienced Republican politician seeking the GOP nomination for governor in Kansas. Here is his bio. In brief, grew up in Great Bend College Fort Hays, state agent for Kansas, Farm Bureau for college was in sales until 2010 became a medical equipment company executive, entered Kansas house in oh three, lost a US House race in oh six, left the legislature, won the Kansas House seat back in oh eight, stayed there until elected Secretary of State, pushed back on 2020, election conspiracy theories and won a second term as Secretary of State in 2022. Lives with his family in Overland Park, declared a governor for all candidacy in January and in March, said he was being treated for cancer. Hope you're doing well. You look good. Thanks for joining us. Yeah,
thank you. It was a it was a scare, not a scare. I had a little bit of skin cancer, so they did a CT scan. They're like, that's not a big deal, but there's something going on in your lung. We want to check on it. They checked in again, did a biopsy, and they said, Wow, we caught this thing really early. We're rounding up to stage one lung cancer, but we're gonna go in, take some significant margin, and you're good. So now it's just nice. Like, well, what's my rehab? You go like, no treatment. I just want you to walk in a half hour every day, take my kids go for a walk. All right? I'll take that rehab any day of the week.
Yeah, okay, that sounds good. You'll need your energy in a campaign that,
yeah, that's why it seems each one
of them always seems endless.
No, when you think about it's like we announced on January 8, which was great. There's that ice storm. There was nothing to report on. So we, you know, we were playing on announcing anyway, but I'm like the filing deadlines over a year and a half away, but the runway doesn't get short longer. It gets shorter every day. So I think we made the right decision, yeah.
And I'm glad you told people about it. They can react the way they want to about the cancer and all, and it's good to hear that you're feeling better. Yeah. So let's get after the political stuff here in November 2024 a record 1.3 million Kansans voted. There are like, 2 million registered. I think more people voted in person ahead election day than ever before. So advanced voting tell me if I'm wrong, is something that Kansans of all stripes say is useful, convenient and appropriate,
right? There's a there's a few people that'll say, hey, election day should be Election Day. Nothing early, nothing by mail. But that's a an extreme minority. There's three ways to vote in Kansas, in person, on election day, in person, early or vote with an advanced mail ballot. We don't need more ways, because that's just more work on some clerks that have really strained budgets. But there are three ways that are safe, secure. And you know, it's easy to vote in Kansas, and it's easy to make sure everything's secured, so that there's no voter suppression, there's no voter fraud, and we can truly declare who the winner of an election is. President Trump
carried Kansas by 16 percentage points in the last election over Kamala Harris. That's a bit more if I if I'm correct in terms of his margin over Joe Biden in 2020 so what does that say about Kansas politically? Where are we at? Kansas
wants a Republican president, and Kansas wants Republican representation in the Congress. Now, if you make it regionalized, obviously the third, it can go either way. The third has always been more of a moderate area, and it always goes back and forth about every 10 to 16 years and so, but Kansans want Republican leadership now. You know, when it's in the general, in the primary, can go one way or the other.
So Kansas is actually getting rid of the three day grace period for mail in ballots. Yeah, that
was a legislative decision, so we'll enforce that. And I was consistent, that's a policy decision. Should it be one day two, day three, day four days? That's up to the legislature to decide. I will just do what they tell me to do. I remember when I was on Tax Committee, when I was a young freshman legislature, the Secretary of revenue was insane something, and she was a former representative, and we went to say something, she goes, Well, that's a policy decision for you. I'm not here to tell you what policy you should do. You tell me the policy and I'll do it. And having that respect for the legislature is how you get things done in the legislature.
You're the subject matter expert, though, on elections, I think this leaves going forward, less a margin of error for a voter relying on a kind of a wacky US Postal Service Delivery System. I
I've taken my fair fights with the post office, yeah, that's right, became a national conversation. But I always Why would you give your ballot to the federal government, especially an agency that doesn't do elections? You know, this is why, as an advocate for the drop boxes, because you're putting your ballot into the hands of the clerk, is the best way to secure your ballot, whether it's a tabulator, a drop box, or whatever they have putting it and I say, why would you put in the blue box for it to leave the state, to be processed to in most counties, show up across the street at the county courthouse.
Yeah, yeah, that's just the weirdness of the Postal Service. Yeah, you asked a 2025, legislature for more authority to regulate those drop boxes. That's that's where a lot of people deposit their advanced ballots. Some of them sit right outside of County County courthouses. So did you get that? No,
we didn't. It's germane to banning drop boxes. And those arguments, the legislature was very committed to having a compressed session, so any issue that looked like it could become a two, three hour debate on the floor didn't get to the floor. And I respect leadership for having you know that management
and Okay, so what did you want to what did you want to do with dropboxes? Well, we wanted to say
just basic guidelines that say they are regulated. And here's what we every county does. It's attached to county property. It's monitored, okay, you know, just basic lines right now, a county can do whatever they want with the drop box. It'd be nice if we had authority, and they do follow our guidelines right now. Okay, they don't have to. So this would have put it in statute. This would put it in statute, and it also gives that clerk back some some cover, like, why are you doing it this way? Because this is way the law says.
You also saw passage of Bill making a crime to threaten or interfere with election workers performing in official duties. Did that happen?
No, I don't think that one. Did you know
I have, I've seen videos of people voting who are very, very combative with election workers. My mom was a volunteer poll worker in Missouri for 40 years, and to have somebody like this huge person yelling at her about voting in Greenwood, Missouri, just seems so out of line. It's
frustrating. These are volunteers are getting paid, but not much. They're doing it because they love their country and they love their community, and they want to make sure the election happens to threaten them when they're just doing what they were trained to do. It's not like they have an earpiece and, you know, the Department of Justice is telling them what to do with a ballot. I mean, it's pretty, pretty ridiculous, but some people are just mean. And, you know, I appreciate our poll workers for standing up. And there's been a couple situations we had to have the police come out. We don't want those situations.
Yeah, that's that is outrageous. I think there's a bill passed and signed that incorporated your office method of sharing data with the Division of Motor Vehicles in Kansas, yeah, to try to identify people who perhaps aren't citizens, but due to some mix up, ended up registered,
right? So in we've we've had a good conversation with the governor about this, and also with her Chief, Chief of Staff, the concern we have is you have somebody that's in the United States and they're coming here legally, they're doing the right things, they have their work permit, they have their temporary driver's license, but they're not a US citizen. But someone said, Here, fill out this form, and they even mark, no, I'm not a US citizen. They mark it right at the top. But then you have some volunteer doing data entry on these registration forms, because it's registration deadline coming up, they don't even look at it, and so they accidentally end up in the system. Well, the last thing I need is some overzealous sheriff to say, Oh, he's an illegal. He's voting. We're going to send him back when he's doing everything right. This way I can call out to call that clerk and say, Hey, can you verify that this person is or is not a citizen yet? And that way we're protecting people that are trying to migrate to the United States legally.
Yeah, that'd be a shame if that one little check mark, you know, checking a box got you in trouble
and they checked it. But the person doing data entry, they're just so used to going right to the name, they're not looking at the check box. And we train our clerks to do that, hoping they're training their volunteers to do the same. There's
more here in terms of what the 2025 legislature did or didn't do there's House Bill 2016 and this would allow your office to use Funeral Home website information to call the voter registration rolls, and you have other sources. This is just another method. Yeah, so
we several clerks were doing this anyway, but they didn't have a legal protection, so we wanted to make sure we gave them legal protection, because our our clerks get under fire, and we don't want someone going in there saying X, Y or Z,
yeah. Seeing a Rollins, Rollins account, Rollins county clerk in shackles and handcuffs, being drug away down to the first floor in the courthouse and getting arrested would be a bad form. Yeah. So there's you wanted? There was a change in disclosure requirements for non government organizations providing voters with mail ballot applications. Do you know? Do you remember what that is?
Yeah. So this was, this was part of a lawsuit that we had, we had in one year. It was when Barbara Boyer was running against Roger Marshall, and it was COVID year, and people were getting six, seven. There was one that got 17 advanced mail applications in the mail. Guess what these seniors did? They must not have got my application. So they filled them out. And it really bogged down our clerk's offices to constantly having to process these and check them. Yeah. Yeah. And so we wanted to say, look, these outside players are increasing burden on our clerks. Look, if you're a state party, if you're a candidate, that's fine if you want to sign it, but to have somebody with a PO Box in Missouri sending, you know, one a day, and they're not even checking to see if, you know, you can check online to see if that person is actually already applied for one, but they didn't do that. They just kept on carpet bombing our system, and they were massive voter confusion as a result of it. So we're trying to clean
that up. There's a provision that says active duty, military independence, temporary living in Kansas can serve as poll workers. That seems reasonable, but why limited to the military? Why can't everybody living here temporarily, be a poll worker. Are the military people something special?
Well, it's because they were the ones asking and then to you can't you have to define it in certain ways, because it's very clear that you cannot be a you cannot be an illegal immigrant and work in an election. Okay, you know, you could be temporarily living, and there's certain background checks that some people do. You know, if you're a homeless Vagrant, and you're just going through the I 70 on your way to Denver, you know? So there's certain, how would you craft that bill again in a compressed session? There's, there's, it's like, we don't have time, but here's one we can do really
quick. Yeah, okay, House Bill 2022 would say that special elections, you know, local elections, are limited to a single day in March, yeah, and, or, or the regular primary, general election.
So in this was erupting out of some of our bigger counties, like Sedgwick County, Johnson County, Douglas County, and even some of the rural counties, they have multiple school boards. You would have, they could have four elections in that county in one week, because you got a school district with this bond issue. You got this school district with its bond issue, you know, and that's expensive for the county to be we're constantly running these and reprinting these different ballots. It's easier to say you're going to do it this day, okay? And I think you're going to get better voter turnout. Because when you they mail all the ballots and there's no in person voting on a lot of these bond issues, voter turnout is a horrible
Yeah, it might be better if it's a little bit more organized and
everybody knows, hey, this is the day you vote on your local issues. Okay? Is
that day in March set? Or do they just have to pick a day?
And I believe it's the first Tuesday following the first Monday in March. Okay?
There's a house bill 2056 that dealt with political party nominations, and Kansas got into some weird business situation. People not were nominated without their knowledge or consent. So the law now says an individual must accept the nomination before their name goes on the ballot, right? Yeah,
another bipartisan supported bill that's been introduced by our office, fantastic, all
right, and it says a minor party candidate can't run in a major party primary. And I think what you're looking for there is to block dual nominations, right? Okay, why was? Why would that be bad? It's a little It sounds strange, but well,
and it's a little bit high jinks, but you're trying to get one person's name on two different ballots. Do you aggregate those because it's the same person?
Yeah, I like. You're a
Republican, or you're not, you're a Democrat, or you're not, you're an independent, or you're not, or you're a libertarian, you're both.
They probably wouldn't do well as a candidate anyway.
Well, right, but it does make it clean. There's a
change in the law regarding, quote, unquote, impersonating an election officer. And I this was viewed as dubious by voting rights organizations, but I think it the Kansas Supreme Court said you needed to limit this statute to the intent of the impersonator, but, but you suggest there's scammers that run around and do impersonating election officers,
not me, this. We had an election Bill two or four years ago, and this was an amendment on our bill that we didn't even know was coming. Okay? It became law or as a veto override. I can't remember the impersonating Yeah. I'm like, Look at this face. Does anybody really want to impersonate this? I don't think so. So. But that being said, which then
you got named in a lawsuit. Of course,
they pass an amendment. I get sued, it's how it works. But then they get to pay if we lose what this does or what you don't want somebody doing. And I think this is incumbent. I understand the heart of the mayor. I wish they worked with us on the amendment, because we could have done it a little bit cleaner if we work together. But the last thing you want is someone knocking on the door saying, Hey, I'm from the County Clerk's office. I'm here to collect your ballot, and you're not from the clerk's office. So
you think maybe people could be collecting ballots and throwing them in the trash.
I mean, things like that have happened before. Yeah, okay,
all right. You've obviously your office statewide coordination of elections, but you also have a responsibility for business filings, yes, like that. So you've worked on modernizing just basically the functions and operations as Secretary of State's office computers, you're gonna go paperless or. Why? Well, a
lot of things are, our online filings are the highest they've ever been. And so it was actually an idea of an employee in our office when I first took office in the first term is, let's have a kiosk. So because there are people that drive from the far reaches of Kansas to do a paper filing in our office,
because you originally you had to physically be there, that's what it used to be
before computers. And they've just, that's the way they've always done it. So what we've done is say, Hey, here's a kiosk. Let me show you how you can do this online so you don't have to drive to Topeka. And so that's really driven it. The other thing that we've done is, because we got our business services off our as 400 computer, which is a computer system Jack Breyer bought. That's how old it is. You're still using it just for a couple things. We should be off in the next 60 days, completely. What a blast
from the past. And people, I don't know. How many people know who? Jack Breyer, I
know. And you want to know, who is the intern that had to help work with it? Chris Kovach, no. Ron Thornburg,
oh. Also, a Secretary of State. Also, people probably
don't remember either. But all that being said, we'll be off it soon. But what we were able to do is it used to be an annual filing, now it's an a biannual filing, and so that just lowers administrative burden. And some of the other things we're doing is we found out our LLC, we're overcharging for the work it takes to file an LLC, but our when we do mergers and acquisitions, that fee was too low, because it was more labor some so we were basically subsidizing mergers and acquisitions with the LLC fee. So what we did is we, we brought equity to that so that the fee you pay for is for what you get it for filing, and you're not paying for somebody else's filing, essentially. So fees are going down and mergers and acquisitions are going up,
so you worked on reducing or moderating and leveling out the fees. There's an element here about other other entities. I wasn't really unclear what this was, but the other entities provide some of the services that the Secretary of State's office, but they were charging more than the state did, and so you there's a, is basically a disclaimer that the
private, yeah, they weren't even charging more. They were just flat out charging they said you may not your LLC, or you may not be in good standing. Pay $300 and we'll verify that you are, or you can just go to our website and check for yourself and not have to pay anything. Oh, it was basically a scam, and when we shared that with the committee, we found out there there were two people in committee that paid it and didn't know. So that bill passed. So just put the disclaimer, because it's just people trying to, you know, your older filers, it's just trying to, they're predatory, trying to get money from them, and they
don't. That's a good government piece, right there. Well, that's what we are. Okay? I'm a Republican. Got a certification program for training local election officials. Just what, what is that, and what are you trying to accomplish? So
we contracted Connie Schmidt, who's national speaker, but she's from Johnson County. She's been county election clerk in Johnson County. She did a procedural audit of the whole state, like, how do you store your equipment? How do you deploy on election day? How are you processing your advanced mail ballots? What are you doing with drop boxes? And she came up with a system to bring consistency across the whole state, because after COVID, a lot of our senior clerks said, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. So then you bring in a new person, and there's who's going to train them. So we do, and if they go through our training, they actually get a certificate saying you're a certified clerk by the Secretary of State's office, just to make sure they're getting the baseline education so that they can execute efficiently on an election. I
think it pushes the learning curve for those folks. 100% Yeah, all right, and I guess you could retrain too easier. I assume most people know this, or they'll assume to come to understand. But you are a candidate for the Republican nomination for governor in 2026 Have you lost your mind? Like, what are you doing? Well, so there's
a couple things. One, property taxes are going through the roof. And there were some things was vice chair of tax that I would love to do. But obviously we were in a tax shortage under the Brownback administration that we couldn't do some of the things I wanted to do. I think there's some problems with the appraisal process that's built on old systems that needs, need to be updated. The other thing is, and you know, we learned this with the Croft bill on foreign nations buying property around our forts and our military bases, which are lifeline to those communities and let alone the state, but there's no federal restrictions at the state. Sometimes we just have to do it ourselves. So I'm glad that bill passed, because we need to continue to look for ways that we can defend ourselves. Because if you look at the southern border, border under the Biden administration, the government wasn't going to help Texas wasn't going to help Arizona, in those small community, border communities, so we have to take care of our own security in some ways. The other thing is, state government is built on outdated 1980 systems, just like my system was. And when I was in the legislature, they always were asking for unobscene amounts of money to update. I updated my. Agency, and I didn't take one piece of SGF dollars, state fund dollars to fund it. We use existing resources, because efficiency pays for itself. We
need to use federal money some No, we
just we hired more people, and we put more people in it. And said, once we got one person trained to start training files, then eventually we could get another person trained, and then we get another person trained, and we doubled the size of that agency just to make sure we were transferring files from a system that was made in the 80s to a system that's made for the 2020s and beyond, state government. I'm not the only s4 100 that is in this state government, but you know, the governor's only gonna be there another year and a half. Why would her secretaries want to take on another project. I want to take those projects on and modernize, because the trajectory of state government is going to be underfunded soon, and the best way to fix it is one grow the economy and to leverage technology and efficiencies. Okay,
there's, there's another side of running for governor, and there's, it's described in various ways, cultural issues. Kansas values. You want to talk about your views like, you know, I'm talking about abortion. So look, I've
been consistently pro life, and it's not just I don't like the pro life, pro choice, black and white. The question we've got to ask ourself is, when does a person get access to constitutional and legal protections? Is it after they're born, a minute before they're born? What do you believe? I believe when it when? Personally, I believe when there's implantation into the uterus and then, because there's a connection to the mother that exists. Now, do I think that's going to become law? No, not with the court system and where things are at. That's my personal religious belief. There's a lot of things in law that I'm like, I agree with or don't agree with, but as a society, we have to agree on, when does a person get constitutional rights? And I think that's a healthier conversation, as opposed to just saying, You're killing a baby, well, you're getting my bedroom. You know, those, those extreme conversations don't help us to actually make solve problems. You're
talking about personhood in utero. Yeah, fetus has personhood and constitutional rights. I Well, I
think about it. You know, there's a couple they have a baby. The room is she's seven months long. The room is painted, and somebody stand stabs her in the uterus and kills the baby. That baby had a name, it had a bedroom. It just
saw a crime, right? I think there's two counts of murder, right?
Well, but is it a person? How can you order something that's not a person I know? So then we need a consistency in the law. Okay? If it's if it's a person, then it needs to be respected as a person. If it's not, it's not you
brought up the Kansas Supreme Court. They've dug around. And the Bill of Rights of Kansas constitution found, you know, bodily autonomy issue. And so I just that's the law in Kansas. If the Kansas Supreme Court could be moved aside just briefly to hypothetically answer this question, where would you set the line on abortion? There's a lot of states are five weeks, six weeks, whatever,
I don't know. And this is where as men that are that lean pro life, need to have the honest conversation with women. I know where I would like to go, but it's unrealistic, and I get it. I want everybody in the world to love Jesus. That's unrealistic. I get it. I accept that. Does that make me an extremist? No, no. More than you know, the Latter Day Saints, once everybody, members of the Latter Day Saints, church.
So you part of, you know, I'm just thinking about this campaign is coming, who could have a crowded field in the Republican primary. Maybe you have one or two Democrats that think they want to run. I don't know. I mean, they'll find somebody. But I think we have a crowded Republican field. Jeff Colyer and others, former
governor. So this is a conversation I keep having. People say, jeff Colyer and others, let's talk about the people who aren't running. Derek Schmidt's not running, right? The Turner's not running. Man's not running. Estes isn't running. Marshall's not running. Jerry Moran's not running. Suddenly, what was considered a very crowded field doesn't get nearly as crowded. Now you can have, like a high school kid run. We have no we can't do
that anymore, although that was fabulous when we had five high school kids running on
you can. We'll probably, we'll have some second and first tier candidates run, but the third tiers that really gets a national attention. You get like, three,
Mm, hmm. So you're you would consider yourself a top shelf candidate.
Others, well, I think jeff Colyer is borderline one and two. He hasn't held elected office for almost a decade, and he doesn't win primaries. He lost his congressional primary in that so I but he's no he was a governor in the state of Kansas, so he's kind of on the line between one and two and then Ty, you know, you're the president of the senate if he chooses to run. But the downside is, if he runs. Funds you. By time you get your campaign running, you got to shut it down for four months when you go into the legislature.
Yeah, that's it. Could be a complication, but he senate president Ty Masterson, right? He does, you know, being a senate president Vicki Schmidt, the state insurance commissioners, talk about running. Do you know what she's gonna do?
I don't know what she's gonna do. Vicki, and I talk, yeah, I know she's considering it, but I'll say, if you're running for governor, it's getting late to start. Yeah, you're gonna you have to raise over a million dollars this year, and it's hard to raise it in five months.
Yeah, she did have a good fundraising track record when Governor Brownback to take her out because she was considered a centrist. I
will, I will say I there's First off, Vicky's a very fun person to be around. She's just absolutely sweet her and her husband. I enjoy my wife, and I enjoy being around them, especially like for inaugurations, when we sit together and things. And she can also flip and raise money.
Yeah, there's one of the candidates, a person who actually formally filed his name, Doug Billings. You may or may not know I'm Johnson County podcast host. It's a pretty electrifying podcast. If you haven't taken it in I have not. He actually says, and I this is what I wanted to ask you. It's about elections. He says that he'll order the Kansas Bureau of Investigation to launch inquiries into past election irregularities and the decisions to undercut election fraud inquiries in Kansas. And he says, anyone telling you that we don't have election integrity issues in Kansas is either vastly uninformed or is lying to you The L Word, kind of reluctant to mention that it involves intent and so forth. So you can say whatever you want about this, this idea, but first you want you can just, are Kansas elections secure, fair and accurate?
Yes, and the recount on value, them both vindicated it. And he's not attacking me. He's attacking the lady that's retired that volunteers at church and wants to volunteer as a poll worker. That's who he's attacking. And if that's who you're attacking, your character is seriously in question. If you're calling her a liar. Okay, that's between you and God at this point, the fact that this is where it's a reflection of the lack of understanding he has of state government. As Governor, you can't order the KBI to do anything. The KBI answers to the attorney general, not the governor, that's correct. So you can order whatever you want, but you're going to have to go through Kris Kobach. And if you think Kris Kobach thinks there's fraud, he would have been on it. He's a one guy who was talking most about voter fraud. And by the way, when he lost his race to Laura Kelly, he certified that election.
Yeah, and he's actually one who won and narrowly won a primary he did could have, you know, just a couple 100 votes. I'm trying to remember the exact number, I think you said, What about the question about fraud and the election results are skewed by crochet. I don't really see evidence of that. Well, it's
one of those things. You can say whatever you want, but then you got to back it up. Yeah, and it's interesting, because Sydney Powell and her motion to have her case dismissed said, Your Honor, those were statements. Those no reason, excuse me, no reasonable person would have thought those were statements. Of fact. That was political posturing. Therefore Trump
attorney who claimed, one
who said all the machines were flipping the votes Okay, and now in her ask for dismissal, she admits, yeah, I was lying. But no, everybody knew I was lying, except for there's people like Doug that really don't believe she's lying.
That's an interesting perspective for her as an attorney, I think you said about this kind of generally, you said it's a small group of people who who come up with some of these claims about conspiracy. But when that, when their person wins, they don't complain, but when their purses person loses, they do well.
And I think that's both sides. So when Kamala Harris lost all of a sudden, out in Michigan and out of Wisconsin, and some of those swing states said, well, a lot less people voted this time. Those were the Republican Party was doing all this voter suppression. If you remember, if you go back and it's it, both sides do it. I There's no way my candidate is the closest thing to Jesus Christ. How could they possibly lose, yeah, except for good candidates. So
difficult to think that a conspiracy this large, a multi state conspiracy, could be real, because there's too many people that are blabber mouths, and they would never keep their mouth shut about such a conspiracy. Exactly.
It's hard enough for people in the Pentagon to be quiet on top secret stuff, information is power, and there's so many poll workers that are incredibly conservative in the state of Kansas, they thought there was the FBI was working with a county in Sedgwick County to skew a vote they would be ringing the bell from the church. Top one
final thing for. Go. I appreciate your time today, there's the President Trump, and the Trump administration had made a lot of changes in personnel and budget, and I think to a certain extent, they're willing to push off onto the states more responsibility for funding fundamental government programs, whether it's highways or food stamps or energy, and then the regulation of energy, environment and agriculture and business policies. So you're asking to be elected to Governor in the vortex of that so I mean, a lot of those changes that the Trump administration is making are really going to be boots on the ground at that point. So do you do? Does it give, does give you lip sweat at all to think, as a
matter of fact, it gives me confidence, because I think in this race, I'm the one who's most qualified to do it. Because since 2003 when I was in the legislature, every time the federal court government did something as a legislator, we had to respond, there is nothing new under the sun. It's the person who jumps in and they go, Oh, you just what? This is nothing new,
okay, all right, good. Well, I think we're going to leave it there. Scott Schwab, Kansas Secretary of State and Republican candidate for Governor. Thank you so much for coming in and sharing your thoughts with us in a kind of a lightning round format. Appreciate it. Hey. I appreciate
