our definition of authentic, inclusive education. That all really does mean all. You don't have to look very far to see a school district, continuing the practice of segregating learners with disabilities into separate disability specific classrooms. But I'm an optimistic person. And from looking at the schedule. I'm glad to see so many sessions centered around inclusion, inclusive practices and equity. Now on to our guest, Dr. Thomas Gaskey, is professor emeritus in the College of Education at the University of Kentucky, University of Chicago graduate and former middle school teacher he served as an administrator in Chicago Public Schools and was the first director of the Center for the improvement of teaching and learning a National Educational Research Center. He is author and editor of over 28 books and over 300 published articles, and book chapters. His most recent books include engaging parents and families in grading reforms, implementing mastery learning, and instructional feedback. On this episode of thinking cluesive we delve into the complexities of traditional grading systems, and explore the potential of standards based grading to revolutionize how learners are evaluated. Dr. Gaskey discusses the gaps between grading knowledge and practices, and how the reliance on traditional models has impacted education, highlighting the need for changes in assessment and grading methods. Do you believe that all children with and without disabilities deserve to reach their potential through inclusive education? If so, you'll love Brooks publishing, the premier publisher of books and tools on early childhood, special education, communication and language and more. Brooks publishing has been partnering with top experts for over 30 years to bring you the best resources for your classroom, clinic and home. To learn more, visit Brooks publishing.com. To browse their catalogue, read their blog, and sign up for their newsletter, Brooks publishing, helping you make a difference in the lives of all children. And just for thinking cluesive listeners visit bi T dot L y slash Brooks dash 0324 to put your name in to win a copy of the facilitators guide to the paraprofessionals handbook for effective support in inclusive classrooms. It's a second edition and it's by Dr. Julie Causton. And Dr. Kate McLeod. We will be taking names until the end of the month. So go ahead and look for that link in the show notes. And now my interview with Dr. Thomas Gaskey.