S3 E15 - 6:17:21, 12.44 PM
4:47PM Jun 17, 2021
Lee Skallerup Bessette
Hey everyone welcome to another episode of the all the things ADHD podcast with Lee and Amy are Amy and leave we want to go alphabetical. Today is part three on surprisingly of our conversation around the two muchness the maximal list the all the things, elements of ADHD, particularly as it impacts us. But in this episode, we're really focusing on how it impacts us as writers and what it means for us as writers. We share our struggles, and we share what works and really what isn't working, because we are a work in progress, and we don't have it all figured out. And not only are we doing our best to help ourselves, but hopefully also to help you and to help each other. I think that really comes through in this episode. So sit back, enjoy learning, random, more random facts about john carpenter and 80s dystopian movies. I know that I will re listen to these episodes specifically for that. I'm so happy Amy got to share them with everyone. Because if you ever want your friend to, like, really have your friends understand what is ADHD, then you should just give them these three episodes, but maybe in particular this episode. Because it's the good with the bad in this one. So enjoy. As always, I'm ready writing on Twitter, Amy is did you want, you can email us at all the things email@example.com or visit our website, all the things ADHD calm. And thanks again for listening. So here you go back to part three,
though, like, I think you and I both know our needs that we both know that we're maximalist writers full of ideas. And we know that we're funny writers and like we have flowing prose styles that people enjoy reading, but like, I know that I need help cutting stuff down, I need help organizing, and I feel ashamed of that. Because I feel like I should know. I do this for my own ideas, but I don't but then another thing that I feel is that the kind of help that I need would overwhelm people because like, I can dash off 6000 words in a day about Robocop or Escape from New York or about how john Carpenter's father was actually a music professor in Kentucky. Did you know that? No, I know that. And you know, why uses so many synthesizers, because he's not actually good musician. And if you learn the synthesizer, you can make it sound like other things. So that very specific john Carpenter sound is a factor of his lack of musical fluency. Oh, side quest. Right. So the point I was trying to make, right, I just needed to share that with you because I learned it. And it's a waste if I don't get to teach somebody about john carpenter. And like, yeah, I'm just about to start again. So I'm going to reel it back. But so the kind of help I need is like, I will produce 6000 words about something. And I can write it really fast. And I can read it really fast. And I can make notes on other people's stuff really fast, but I give it to other people. And they are completely overwhelmed. Right? I'm gonna read this for me. It's like, it's one chapter. But it's 22,000 words currently, and 2000 of those are footnotes. Right? Like so it's 62 pages long and I don't know what to keep and they're just like, oh, like, like they've asked for a glass of water and you've like gone at the fire hose. Fire Hose like, then I'm ashamed. My pressure washer right there. There you go. I feel better if people could say to me, oh, you should read this book. Like, oh, at this section needs a little bit more support, but they're just like, oh my god, there's so much here. I fainted. Right. Like, I don't even know I'm embarrassed about my too much. Notice as I'm writing it. I'm super excited by all my ideas and droids and all my connections that I'm making, but I see how much I've produced. And I think like Who am I to ask anybody else to read this especially since like everybody, except my friend Frankie reads slower than me Frankie reads faster than me and I will tell you what some threatened by it the first time I saw it, you know, like you're reading a document together on a screen. And I let me know what this girl and she started scrolling. Like, wait, I'm not done. It's like, never happened to me before. Yeah. What? Right. So I just I feel like when I ask people for that kind of help that that they think less of me because of how much I have produced right and how overwhelming my maximalism is I feel like I've exposed a very vulnerable part of me that makes them think I have no self control. Or I'm not a good writer, or something. Do you what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, I always I always felt that. When I wrote a lot when I was blogging a lot. I still kind of do blog a lot, but I you know, I'm writing for a lot of different things is that people would always particularly in the early days of blogging, where it was, I'm writing the wrong things. Hmm. Right. I was always very He's sort of, you know, especially when I was like, I can't, you know, I can't find a job and all that kind of stuff. And they're like, Well, that's because you're writing the wrong things, right? You're spending all your energy writing the wrong things. I'm like, I have 10 peer reviewed journal articles as well, like I like. And so it's, for me it was, and it's sort of the same, right? It's like, I'm writing the wrong things. Right? I am writing a lot. But it's not the right things that I should be writing. I'm just writing what, you know. I want to write where the ADHD brain takes me I've actually, I agree to write an interview with myself about what it's like to write as somebody with ADHD. Oh, Mike asked me if I have been able to do it. No, no, no, no.
I think that brings up an interesting like side quest there. Lee is that sometimes like people may judge our maximalism, because ADHD maximalism comes out differently than neuro typical overwork might go right? It's the strange connection between two quite disparate things, or a series of connections where somebody would have expected maybe something a little bit more linear or it's personal disclosures where people would have expected a bit more formality and detachment, right. So that, that the sort of ADHD maximalism is not just too much of what neurotypical people would also produce, it's too much like, and it's also very different. Yes, right. Exactly. It's both of those things. It's like too much and the wrong stuff. simultaneously.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's exactly it. Like, you know, it's the same why how do you write so much? How are you? How are you so brave and what you share? And I'm just like, I literally have no advice for you for that, because it's like, this is just how it is. Yeah, that's shitty advice as well. That's not what they're looking for. And so like, I got a Sorry, sorry, anyone who have given writing advice, too, but like, I'm just making this shit up. Because like, this is just like, basically now my answer is have ADHD, right. That's how I write so much. That's how I write so much. And I'm so brave with what I disclose because I have ADHD. And this is just how I work like, Yeah.
Right. Like, if it was a choice, you would feel a little bit more confident when you ask people to help you with things right. But when it just feels like an unstoppable tidal wave of disclosures and ideas, and fun facts about john carpenter and Ernest Borgnine, you would not believe Lee, I have to tell you, the number of cast members have escaped from New York who have actual military backgrounds who've served in various sorts of wars. Before nine had military experience. Absolutely. Oh, absolutely. Yes. And the guy who played the commander of Bob Hawke, whose name I can't remember right now, military experience, Donald Pleasance, who played the president in that movie was also in Halloween movies as the doctor. He also had a military background and was British. I could just, I could just keep going because I cut all of this stuff.
After I learned it. No, no, you need to do Amy what he or she needs to do you start a blog. From my book. Yeah, no, exactly. No. I mean, like, like that is because I've read the shit out of that, right? Yeah, I mean, on it, but then again, I'm also like, the target audience, right? Like, you know, I'm bored. Let me go to Amy's blog as he went rabbit holes, she can bring me on tonight.
I'm like, ideally, someday I would turn into like Matt kirschenbaum, who like drops these little footnotes in his very serious like, great. Yes, very well written, like academic books, but then they'll be this like little footnote at the bottom is like this total fannish reference to some arcane facts from something like I love you, Matt. I don't have that self control. I tend more towards like the David Foster Wallace. Yeah, but nobody an overreach except it's cute when he does it, because he's an intellectual. And for me, it's like a excess and hysteria, right? Because of who I am or what I've disclosed about myself, right. So I made
a couple of those. I have a couple of those footnotes in my in my book.
But like, are they like David Foster Wallace level? Infinite Jest footnotes, one of which is 60 pages long?
No, it's not quite like that. But it is the fun fact anecdote because I did archival research, right. And right, discovered a whole bunch of stuff in the archival research has nothing to do with my book. Right. But it's like, by the way, if you were wondering about who wrote this on this, like anonymous poem, apparently it was these two people. And I found out because I read it in the letters. Yes. And people must know, I learned yet. People know. Yeah, people must know. And I just want to drop it in there as a fun fact, in the footnote, you know, it's sick or Lee, why do you keep finding more anthologies to study? And I'm like, because they're there. Because I'm like, Yeah, but why is it interesting? I'm like, because they're there. Yeah. And I haven't done it yet. Yeah. And I haven't done it yet. Nobody else has. So
it's a different dress pattern.
Yeah. Thankfully, Now, again, it's this idea of like, how do you organize things to go back to that is that I had to develop my own my own visual organization and digital organizations so that I could like, like we were talking about share about, like having a computer program, that that's my air table spreadsheet, right? My air table that I got is a template because like, I tried doing it in Dropbox and then I would you know, the the names of the patterns. Don't tell me anything, write it, this is the URL address. I'm like, I don't know. Hmm. And then it was line drawings. And so I created it, but then the line drawings didn't tell me anything. So then I had to find the pictures of it. So I have pictures and line drawings. And so that that way I can actually see and I have all the all the fabrics. Um, you know, and, and that now I've actually sort of stopped buying patterns, because I'm like, Oh, that's a nice one. Wait, let me check and see if I have one that looks incredibly like that. What it's like, wow, Yes, I do. Okay, maybe I don't need a 17th shirt dress pattern. Yeah.
So this one is similar to another conversation that I was part of on Facebook with another one of my friends from grad school, TL Callen, who was asking about like, I have this book project that's late. How do I like or have used Scrivener have used all this stuff of uses stuff? And I was like, okay, you know, unpopular opinion. What if you did not try to increase through external means your working memory? Right? Because what if, if it's too much for him to remember, it's too much for the book. Right? Yeah, that was where I started thinking about the usefulness of forgetting things like about pruning stuff. Because if I like, and I've done this, it looks like this crazy, like hostage taker wall of like, conspiracy theory, read strings between bits of stuff like, because like, I want to make it the most elaborate sort of Cat's Cradle in the world. I want me to all every idea that I have, I think, like, if I could just connect them the right way, I could keep all of them. Yeah. But that is a lie that I am telling myself, right. So that what I need is to really only have one string, right? Eventually, so but that's a muscle I have not quite developed as the capacity to edit in that way. Because I think all of these things are equally fascinating to me just find a way babies, they're like, they just find a way to connect them. Right?
When I switch my brain should be able to do because it's done in the past, right? Like, I can make these connections there. Because I've randomly done it before, I
guess by the right trigger, every year that you get smarter, right, every year that you read more anthologies every year that you go to more archives, the more impossible the task of using it all. Yeah, yeah. Right. As I was reading that, like, you know, like, there's this, like, cliche about aging is that like, you forget things and like, you're not as quick and you're not as clever and like, you don't pick stuff up as fast all this stuff and some new aging into researchers saying you but the flip side of that is, you know, what older people are forgetting is already more than what young people know. Because older people have so much sort of life experience and such an accumulated stock of sort of knowledge and skills that like if you forget the name of the actor that was on that movie, the name that you also forgot that came out maybe when you lived in British Columbia, but maybe when you lived in Alberta, you don't know that's trivial, that forgetting compared to like, you know how to make a perfect three minute egg, or like, you know, how to get the lawn mower on stock, or you know, what storm windows are for, like, all of those those things, right? So that there's a way in which we've pathologized for getting particularly ADHD people and we think like, Oh, I just need a system, right? Where I can remember everything. But the more you know, right, the more heroic the lengths you have to go to, to make all of that fit in a coherent system. And you're just turning the fire hose on people who only want a sip of water and you're setting yourself like a impossible task. And like, scriveners not going to help you when the problem is you have too many ideas.
Yeah, because you're going to get to the end. And then you're going to forget what he wrote at the beginning anyways, in like a Scrivener
for your Scrivener, right that you need to be making notes about your notes. Or your book. Yeah. For your book. You need a book for my book, right? Like I'm going to turn this chapter into a book but then I work long enough on that chapter. I'm like, No, no, this chapter inside my chapter that's now book is going to be its own book, right? Like, oh, I need to make like the notes of the main points, but then there's too many main points. I'm gonna make a summary list of the main points about the main points, like if you're at that sort of level of triple layers of abstraction so that you can keep it all in your head maybe it's too much.
Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
Yeah, that is okay. Too many patterns. Maybe you don't need to buy any more fabric right now. Maybe you're just like, you can't remember it all. You sound like my husband at the moment. So Maria, I had a little chat beforehand.
No, I've actually been I've been actually good because I do. I am going through like my life plan projects and feeling overwhelmed by it. But but to me in a productive kind of way, because it is keeping me from, oh, I need to buy more fabric or oh I need to I need to by another pattern, it's sort of like no, I really, I have more than enough. And I have more than enough that is new and interesting that it will keep me interested in my current sewing project. So I sort of have it, I even now sort of strategize and have a plan where it's like, I have my summer projects. And then further down the list, I have things that have sleeves and take heavier fabric. And so I know, I don't need to worry about these because these are these are when I get bored of summer patterns, right, I'm going to move in and it'll probably, it will happen sooner or later. But then I have these fall patterns that I can then start working on. So then I have that, you know, I'll make a summer pattern and go like, Oh, I have nowhere to wear this now. Because you know, it's it's October below freezing, right? Whereas, right, I can make something and be like, look at me, I made a made a pattern, and I can wear it right away? Because it's,
you know, yeah, so maybe your organization system there is not about like, fooling yourself that an overwhelming number of things is not overwhelming. Maybe it's about allowing you to see the novelty, the opportunities for novelty and what you already have, like it's a way of like having all your toys out on the desk at the same time. Exactly, exactly. your desk, right, that there are ways to not be bored, that do not involve something completely new that you're going to buy right now. Or maybe there's a way that I can work on my book revisions. That is new, that does not involve me, you know, looking up the links between all of the actors in Escape from New York and the other junk carpet tour movies they have appeared in and what their reputations as actors were and what types of military experience they have. Like, I don't need to do that to find maybe something you don't need to
build something in Tableau connecting all of that, like that's
a cheat the main female character, Maggie, played by Adrian barbeau, who at the time was married to john carpenter. And everyone else was like in this hideous dystopia, but somehow the women managed to have very elevated brawls and fresh perms and access to cosmetics. But I was like Adrian barbeau, that is like the most French Canadian name ever Louisiana, right? So there is some some French there's some like sort of French roots there and stuff, but like I did a deep dive into the movies of Adrian barbeau, who played the daughter on mod. Oh, right, which I also know, and which she said like it turned out after a while, but it didn't matter what I said on that show because people just like to watch my boobs coming down the staircase is the fact I also know about Adrian barbeau. And also that Oh my God, I've just forgotten the actresses name who played Maude, Dorothy from golden Yes. Completely escapes me right now. Actually, Arthur B. Arthur. Yeah, that be Arthur was a delight to work with and that Adrian barbeau did not really realize what kind of professionalism Bea Arthur was manifesting until she worked on other shows and also that working on mod was a complete delight. And a life changer. That's not going in my book, Lee, my book is about personal computers in the 1980s. Why? what
We know the whole history of the bandstand Boogie song that is one of the only recorded songs used, that's not by john Carpenter in Escape from New York, which was classically Of course, the theme from American Bandstand, which I know also the entire history of that show, including Dick Clark's many leavings and returns and it's moved from Pennsylvania to Los Angeles and then to New York. And it's brief, you know, flameout through Ryan Seacrest, and how Michael Jackson revived? It's like, why, Lee? Do I know this? I have four pages on Escape from New York. None of this went in there. Right? Why? Because maximalism so much more interesting is working on the transition sentences, right? Yeah. Me.
We are like the, like ADHD to it. You know, and again, there's the judges but like, little kids with their fun facts. Like that's just what, you know, like, they can spout off everything about dinosaurs. And that's okay, because it's adorable, and it's like dinosaur Sure, or my son with bugs or, you know, Pokemon or whatever. Like, this is just this is where we end up right? Like if that we never let go or get rid of or I don't think let go is the right word. But we never we never lose that there. Let's put it that way. We never lose it. Right. There's something actually, I have I, I find there's something really refreshing about that. Because we maintain a sense of wonder, right? That at times is really frustrating, but other times is just, you know, I I feel. I do like I'll feel bad for people who don't have that. weren't interested in learning new things as useless as that information may be, right.
Like, for example, that Kurt Russell was a Disney child star and that first major movie role was playing Elvis in a biopic and then from that he went on to escape from New York. Did you know that really, because
I knew he was a child star and mostly because of the wonderful world of Disney on like Sunday nights where they run that. Alright, so that was all those old old movies and so like, I remember those I was like, okay, from the Disney movies when I saw him in like, unlike overboard, maybe it wasn't escaping. Oh, my God, or another highly problematic movie by like, yeah, yeah, highly problematic movie. Um, but you know, it was, it was on TV, right. And it was pG 13. Or like, it was PG and it wasn't ours. So you're
like, I saw it in the cinema. Actually, from a small town, there was not a lot available to watch. But Exactly. Tom and I saw a long time ago, we used to watch what not to wear. And they love that show. I love me too. I love it so much. And they grabbed this woman once she was a professor in Puerto Rico and the setup, you know, because they always ambush people, right? There's a setup where there's like a pretext that there's going to be cameras there. And they had this like, was so cool. They had set her up to give a talk at her own university, right. And like, so she starts this talk, which I am watching and I said to Todd like, I just started as Professor like, Oh my god, she's actually been preparing for this talk for two months, right? Yeah. And then they like sort of ambush her. She's so shocked and she accepts the credit the $5,000 credit card. Yeah, the the makeover. And then she's like, I just I have to give my talk now. They're like, No, no, no, there is no talk and what she said, which like Tom and I still say to each other to this day, when I go on my like, did you know this about Kurt Russell and Ernest Borgnine like whoever Adrian barbeau I have so many ideas I want to disseminate.
That's what she's got for. This episode. Yeah, she was just like,
clutching this sheaf of papers. That was her research talk. And she said that I have so many ideas I want to disseminate what not to wear leading. It's too much leaves my new PETRONAS. So I'm sorry to everybody listening if this episode has been too much, and I am sorry, to everybody listening, if you yourself, experience your own self as too much, right? This is something Lee and I are obviously still struggling with this, this mismatch between our capacity to absorb information and spit it out in chunks with our inability to manage it into something of a scale and shape that other people are able to engage with in the required format. We don't know our brains, there's stuttering about this. I have used this episode purely as a pretext to dump on you all the facts about movies from the 80s that I had to cut from the chapter I'm working on this weekend, I'm not willing to let them go. So I've just using this podcast as a way of like, Look, I learned a thing. I have so many ideas I want to disseminate. And Lee wants to talk about sewing. Right, we are doing too much. We are too much and never enough.
And no, that is not true. That is not true. You know, it's not true. You know, it's not true. That
you know, that's not true. It is we are it makes us in a lot of ways better parents, it makes us much better teachers. It makes us more interesting writers, I would say, um, you know, it makes us fun at parties.
As long as they're not too loud, because I have to go home as
long as you're not doing Oh, no, I know. And as long as it's like an appropriate reference and inappropriate, like not so much at funerals, but you know, which awkward but, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's this idea. And I think that that's, I think that that's the it's just different. Right? And that's the hardest thing is that it's, it's just different. Um, and it the the, you know, we've said this lots of times the world is not set up to you know, we are not the world is set up with a certain standard, right, the neurotypical standard and we don't meet that standard, we will never meet that standard. Um, but you know, there are lots of other you know, that there are lots of other things that we're really good at. And that you know,
India for example, yeah,
trivia for example, really random trivia that they had that that the time that the Jeopardy has category 80s dystopian Yeah, like masculinity. Forget movies. Yeah. Or even just john Carpenter that john Carter is just like john Carter is as a category of like, phone this friend.
The double jeopardy or like the Final Jeopardy is john carpenter. Amy's like all your money, just read it all. Just get it on your own back.
That's perfectly confident. I've so many ideas. I wanted to seven, eight.
Yeah. But it did. I mean, I think that that that is the hardest part, right? Is that, um, you know, particularly in academia, because the standards are so rigid. Mm hmm. Right. And the expectations are so inflexible that, you know, the way we blow up against them, and just like, get our crushed by them, you know, is less a comment on us and more just a comment on those standards and norms. Yeah, right. Where we have, I mean, we've basically set ourselves up for failure. Yeah, right. That's exactly what's happened. We've set ourselves up for failure. Because we are evaluating ourselves against a standard that was not developed with us in mind at all. And if it was developed with us in mind, it was developed with us in mind to control basically punish and control and form and shape us into a way that is understandable and legible and understated.
Right. And it's not
to say that we shouldn't try because, like, again, people, we do want people to read our stuff. So we have to make it that way. But to expect that it just be easy. You know, is is, you know, you're doing yourself a disservice. And you're not being fair to yourself, right? Yeah, I
think there's a way in which it's very easy for us to buy into that narrative as well. Yeah, for sure. Seeing as ADHD itself is always sort of understood as a disorder of too much noise, right? You're too loud, you're too messy, you're too aggressive, you're too physical, you're too fidgety, you talk too much, right? It's, it's too much, too much, too much, too much. And so even when are sort of too much, this is a gift like our infinite curiosity and sense of wonder, and our capacity to like, be UI, for example, to read things very quickly. And to understand them very quickly and interpret them spit it back out with an opinion attached to it very quickly. I mean, is is a gift but but if you have always been described as too much, it's very easy to miss recognize your own gifts, have too much notice as gifts and not as deficits even in particularly when you understand that those gifts are a mixed blessing to and he would like help moderating the excesses of your muchness without characterizing the whole enterprise as always, already. Too much. Yeah,
right. Exactly. Yeah. And I so I think that it's, and also it just can be really hard to find Pete, other people who get that? Yeah, right. where, you know, you're just talking about, like readers who pass out from it. And I'm sort of like, I wouldn't, but then again, I also have ADHD, right, like, but I've found, like, for me, the moment that sort of crystallized for is when I was I was in my PhD. And so fairly early, and not saying that it fixed it, but saying that I finally recognized what other people were saying about my writing. So I was editing a book. And this author, I think, was another grad student as well, I was editing your book on an Ava. And she had submitted this essay, and it was this great essay, and it had two paragraphs. That were a fascinating aside. Right? And I was like, reading it and reading your reading. And I'm like, Oh, that's really interesting that she made that observation. That's cool. I like that observation. And then reading and rereading, she never connected it to the larger argument other than the fact that it was an observation that happened to be about the same two books that the rest of the essay was about. Right, right. And so I was like, it was killing me. Right? Because I'm like, this is so interesting. And then I was like, put it, put it in a footnote or something because it doesn't help the essay. And then I finally was like, Oh, my God, that's what I do. Like, I finally get it. Oh, yeah. So it took reading somebody else doing it. But it also gave me the capacity to be able to communicate that in a way that was I hope, caring and supportive, understood as opposed and understanding and encouraging and being like, I hadn't noticed that either. That's a really great thing, however, right, let's move it into a footnote. So let we retain and we keep it or maybe even put it aside because I think this could make a really great another fancy, right?
This chapter could be its own book, oh,
well, but as a grad student that that I mean, in particular, I knew how important it was at that point in the stage of career that you get the encouragement, yeah, that this thing that you found could be something and you should write more about it rather than like, saying it in a way that this is garbage. Right? Like there's they're two very, they're two very distinct ways that grad students here, you need to cut this. Yeah. Right. It's you need to cut this because you're wrong, or that's, you know, all of that, or you need to cut this because while interesting and and worth exploring, not the place word here. Yeah. Right. Um, so that, you know, and maybe when you're mid career, you don't need that advice as much. But you know, but like, I do, I do. Yeah. But, but, but but again, well, maybe not, though. It could be its own book thing.
Too many books? already. Yeah.
Yeah. But But again, is there is there is that capacity, though, I think, as well, with our experience with that is that we it, it makes like one of the reasons why it makes us better parents, better teachers, and maybe our editors, in some cases is because we have this tremendous amount of empathy. Yeah. For what the writer or student or our kid is going through. Yeah, right. That it's, it's sort of like, you know, it is writ large. I would never talk to another person the way I talk about or to myself. Right, right. writ large, right, just and so yeah.
We have a shorthand at my house where I will say to my kid now side quest, because like, they'll be tried to tell me a story after they've been in online school all day. Like often we go for a walk with this, like half an hour route, that we do a neighborhood because like, they really need to get their energy back into and out of their bodies simultaneous of like, so tell me about stuff. And I like I can hear the commas. Right? I can hear the cameras proliferating. I'm like, please finish one sentence. Yeah. And then start the next sentence because like, so far, we're like six sub clauses. In finish one of the first because you just went on a side quest. You're gonna tell me about this one thing, but we're like four topics removed from that now. So that's like our shorthand as we say cyclist.
And that's been and that's been challenging with online school, right? Because it's like, they haven't talked to anyone all day. I know so much about Pokemon. You know what I know so much about Oh, gosh. So my daughter watches these Minecraft videos, but they're this like whole family of people. And they have like, their own fictional world that they've created with storylines. And there's like Canon and it's the dream SMP and they're all the characters and they all have their own twitch channels. Right? Okay. This feels like a good place to stop
you because I don't want to learn about it. We know. I'm sorry that you have to learn Oh,
man, nodding and smiling and like just being like, I'm so happy you have something that you care this deeply. Amen, amen. But well, yeah, so this probably is a good place to stop because maximalists we've gone an hour and 40 minutes so like, I might make this three let's be honest, although I was fairly gonna be the maximalist episodes about maximalism.
Because Because we we had so many ideas we wanted to disseminate.
Well, it can't be any more ironic. Well, this one isn't ironic, but it was the three part Marie Kondo one where we talk about cutting down for three hours do all of these episodes spark joy?
Maybe but we're not going to edit them because that's not how we roll we're just gonna cut them into pieces sorted out yourself listeners
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