A pletely valid but yet provisional way of looking at it. It also has a near enemy, and the near enemy is a big one. Because it implies a very subtle cosmological dualism, this is important. In other words, if we don't also realize that sokaiya, you can also describe it in fact, even more accurately as simultaneous. That and I'll show you how to play with that we're experiencing the Tocai all the time. So the subtle cosmological dualism of the unfolding which is done in a kind of heuristic pedagogical divide and conquer approach, seems to then inherently imply Oh, somehow I have to return to the symbol Gaia. And then somehow I have to return to the supremacy of the Dharmakaya because that's the groundless ground of the whole thing. On one level, that is provisionally true. Only because of the extremism that we maintain. We're all fundamentalists, we're all extremists. I wouldn't say we're terrorists, but we're fundamentalists who were extremists. Whether we know it or not, we're blind. What we see you know, there's we're blind to and ourselves. We're all eternalists we believe that things exist. That's a form of fundamentalism. It's an extremist point of view. And so originally, there's all this slash and burn, cut, cut, negate negate, negate, you know, the majolica teachings all the class is cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. Why? It's what politico MPJ talked about is the extreme path to the middle, because we're extremists and eternalism. Originally, it helps to be at least temporarily extreme in in the kind of almost nihilistic end, cut everything cut, cut, cut. This is the great contribution of the DeLuca tradition, my Jamocha in particular, Prasanna gusta tantrik are for those of the deeper divers, but there's a massive Neurotomy here, because if you just keep on hacking, you can actually cut a direct experience of reality itself. And for those of you who are deeper divers, this is where you have to go into third turning shentong Dhammika otherwise, he gets stuck in a nihilistic rabbit hole. But the idea here is the extreme path to the middle you swing all the way back to the Dharmakaya not to hang out there. Because if you do even come on our heart and that I mean, that's a better than being a confused sentient being. But you're still stuck. You're just stuck now in the penthouse of samsara. This is what gets you reborn in the god realms. This is what what the god realms are all about. You know, it's just the penthouse of samsara. Trump Tower apex. Oh, sorry, I didn't mention that dirty word. So basically super important to understand that the terracotta is not only pedagogically unfolding, it's also simultaneous. So the clear nature of what you experienced the fact that you see all these postage stamps and you're looking at it somewhat articulate, clarified world that's nirmanakaya quality. That's the clarity you know, that the kind of energetic components underneath it, the quality aspect of it, that's the symbol good kya that slightly less articulate, more ineffable, energetic quality, that's a mocha kya that's happening now. The kind of open spacious, some are groundless aspect of the whole thing that if you take a very close look at any of the Aruba, kayas, some Bolkiah and nirmanakaya. There's nothing there. That spaciousness, that openness, that's the Dharmakaya. So if you look at the Ria, if you look at reality properly, right now, that means anything. You recognize the trachea and every moment of a rising this is actually important because otherwise you get into the spiritual bypassing thing is spiritual materialism thing all these complex these that say I have to go somewhere I have to get back to something No you don't. That's why I wrote this article. I think it will do for tricycle short one last fall. The two biggest problems with the spiritual path remember my riff on this? Number one, you said the word spiritual number two use of the word path. Outside of that the spiritual path is perfect. Well, why is it that so perfect because spiritually it not nearly 100 distinction to material but in opposition to it? Where does your spirituality go in the material world? So spiritual, yuck, no, and that's a great path to where? Nowhere, where are you going? Seeking denotes the absence of that which you seek. So the very notion of a path becomes counterproductive here. You're not going anywhere. This is called the path of undue Paya the path of no path. The means of no means. So that's super important. So there you go. Murray. There's so much more to say about this. Yeah, I'm trying to think of some references that come to mind Reggie res. Oh, and oh my god, I literally click back to that. I just say Reggie Ray. I literally clicked back into my computer and I just got an email from him. I mean, like Hello, literally, am I kidding? There he is. Hi, Reggie. Cool. That's auspicious coincidence. Reggie Ray, thank you for reminding me Reggie ray in his book Secrets of the virtual world. writes about the Tocai really beautifully. So if you want to explore some of the stuff in real elegance and rigor Reggie's two volumes, indestructible tooth, hanging out on Mahayana and especially at third volume, Secrets of the virtual world. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. That's kind of cool. That's cool. He just pops right in. Perfect timing, Reggie. Okay, this one. Oh, yeah. Okay, that's the same question. So I just got it piped in twice. Excellent. So if anybody has a look in the chat column anything come in here. Let's take a look.