The Intersection of Biology, Longevity and Human Consciousness with Beth McDougal MD

8:58AM Sep 5, 2023

Speakers:

Angela Foster

Dr Beth McDougall

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The health of our mitochondria and how much energy our mitochondria can produce is really fundamental to the health of our cells and our body. And we age because our mitochondria age and become dysfunctional, and we develop diseases because of that as well.

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Now let's dive in. iPhones, I recently read a really interesting book called your pristine blueprint by Dr. Beth McDougal. And I had to invite her on the show because she's got a really super interesting outlook on health and the intersection of biology and physics and human consciousness. And she illustrates or really powerfully through her book, and in this week's episode, we talk about that we talk about the science of longevity, but also the holistic aspects. And the way consciousness interweaves with that really, really interesting episode, I think you're gonna get a lot of value from it. So without further delay, let me introduce you now to Dr. Beth McDougal. So, Beth, I'm so excited to have you on the show today. I've been really looking forward to this interview after I read your book. I was just it's a transformational book. And I have to say there isn't. There isn't another book that I found quite like it out there. I think that's what's so fascinating about it. So I knew that I wanted to have you on the show. Firstly, a very warm welcome.

Thank you so much. It's such a pleasure to be here.

Yes, awesome to have you here. We were talking a little bit offline there around how healing happens. And I know that you went through your own healing journey. I think that's probably a really good place to start and how you overcame that the battles that you

had. Okay, thank you. Well, I, I'll just back up a little before that, and just say that I came into this life with a pretty profound awareness of the energetic nature of reality. It just was very, very apparent to me, even as a small child. And then I went to medical school and, you know, went to through internal medicine training and just kind of went the kind of standard medical training. But in, in the background, I had been immersing myself in Nutritional Biochemistry, a lot of like, kind of holistic modalities, understanding about kind of like, you know, Mind, Body Spirit, and just just how an disease can originate on an energetic level. So I and so I had, I was kind of blending the information in my training. Anyway, so I came out of practice, you know, out of residency in 1998, and started practising in an integrative medical clinic in San Francisco. And life was really good. I was working on a physical level with people primarily, but thinking pretty holistically about their physical body. And then all of a sudden, in 2004, it just kind of like the record scratched it, I just had a health challenge that came out of seemingly nowhere, I was seeing a patient one day, and all of a sudden, I couldn't move my hand. And then luckily, we're just almost at the end of the appointment. So we stood up to walk out and I my foot wasn't working correctly, and then I realised my tongue wasn't moving properly. And I immediately like told my staff to call my my husband and, and, and then I thought, let me draw my blood before I go to the hospital because I think I could have gotten Lyme disease because I was camping a couple of weeks prior. So I drew my blood went to the hospital had a multi $1,000 workup. They first thought I had a brainstem stroke, then thought that not but you know, had every test you can imagine. And then I left the hospital with no answers, still not being able to kind of grip my sandal and still not moving properly. I'm really concerned and and then my couple of weeks later, my Lyme testing came back negative and positive for Lyme disease. So so I knew that's what it was. And I was friends with a lot of colleagues in the Bay Area that were kind of line specialists and they advised me to get on to a really high dose antibiotics because it was in the central nervous system and then you know, they they said this is serious, you got it. You got to do this, treated aggressively right away. So I started on to antibiotics and I had the worst reactions possible to them. I had kind of actually life threatening reactions to one of them. And like was throwing clots in my mouth. Like I could see that clots in my beds and my fingernails, it was just very dangerous and terrible. So I stopped, I was like, Okay, I cannot do this, this is not going to work for me. And I don't really like this paradigm, anyway have chemical warfare in my body, like there's a pathogen and I need to treat it chemically, it kind of poisoned my whole system at the same time, right. And I'll say that and just say like, there's still places for antibiotics, I'm not against antibiotics. But for me at that moment, it wasn't the right approach. So then I began doing a whole bunch of like, you know, kind of alternative modalities like, but they were still very physically based. It was like herbs and homoeopathy, and then oxidative treatments, and all of that, and I wasn't getting that far in terms of healing. And so I, I returned to kind of my childhood knowing about the nature of health and disease and the nature of the energetic nature of reality and began working with energy practitioners. And actually, that's when I had traction, I've found I could, I could turn my symptoms around on a dime, if I embodied fully and kind of monitored my my thoughts and kind of my emotional responses to those thoughts, I was able to kind of tune into my energetic anatomy, and really begin to understand the biography, my personal biography that I had stored in my anatomy, and how that was actually leading to my symptomatology. So it was like, I really feel that, when you have, let's say, like a trauma in your childhood, or, you know, even larger small, it doesn't really matter, you begin, if you're not equipped fully to deal with that trauma or with the emotional responses that the that that experience engenders, you tend to store the energetics of that in your energetic anatomy. And then that become begins to translate into physical symptoms, a lot of times, you'll see it translating into a person's posture, for example, you know, like, their, their, their childhood experiences, and their familial programming and things like that, that dictate how a person begins to feel about themselves, is very much translated into how they hold themselves in the body. You know, people, some people have a, you know, kind of weight of the world on their shoulders, and they haven't like a shoulder elbow in their shoulders or up or their head is forward, or, you know, they're kind of protecting their heart or, you know, you can just or they're really puffed out in the chest, and, you know, some people walk with, like, kind of with their legs out in front of them and their body behind some people are like forward looking down at the ground. And, you know, you really begin to start to read how how that person's personal experiences have translated into how they hold themselves. And so when you have like, emotional holding patterns in the physical structure, it begins to dictate how energy flows within the body. Like if you even think about the energetic meridians that we have, you know, like from Chinese medicine standpoint, some of them get blocked off when there's just a lot of tension in certain areas. And then if you develop an infection, that's where the organisms like to collect. So it's very symbolic, where, for example, if you develop Lyme disease, where you have your symptoms, some people have like profound neck pain, some people have, you know, pain in a different part of the body, like a knee or a hip, other people that their their symptoms are primarily neurological and other people, you know, it affects kind of their gastrointestinal system or they're hurt or you know, so you so you, you begin to kind of start to read the energy in the body. And in my case, I was able to develop a meditative practice that allowed me to kind of spend a lot of time in my body and energetic anatomy and begin to become aware of foreign energy in my system or energy that was non beneficial. And how to kind of tune into that, understand what it was there to teach me and then learn how to ground that off and clear that so that energy could flow freely again. And when energy was flowing freely, the circulation would improve the immune system could go in there and like get to work and take care of the pathogens that were stored there. And that type of work aligned with, you know, some physical support was what brought me through the process. And also

a so fascinating, we were talking about how we had similar kind of journeys in a way on sort of overcoming health, health battles. When you were when you were using that meditative experience, and you were kind of going inward, were you reaching that point where you were kind of getting beyond the physical body as well, where you, I'm just, I'm just curious, because for me, I feel like, we're so sort of judging ourselves, right, and so much in the physical world, and then whenever I've done it kind of got to that place of peace, everything else just falls away. It's like, everything melts away. And there really is only love when you strip everything back, that's where I've got it. And that's happened when I had my my experience in hospital. But also when I've been under, for example, deep hypnosis, after a sort of a few hours, you can reach that position, I'm just curious what that experience was like for you, when you got in touch energetically.

That's beautiful. Yes, there was a little bit of melding into the vibration of love and kind of the creative force of the universe. But I will also say, the majority of the time was very much pulling my energetic system might, my soul, let's say, down into my physical form, because so many of us are not fully embodied. Maybe because of the experiences we've had and kind of the collection of the unmetabolized Emotional signatures in the body, it becomes somewhat uncomfortable, to be fully present within the physical form. And in order to heal, it requires your presence, in order to clear infections, you have to own your space, you have to fully own it. And so I would say the majority of the meditations that I was doing at that time, were were kind of body centred, and pulling, clearing, stuck energy within the system, and grounding fully into my physical form,

kind of coming into it, what was it, what was the type of meditation that you were using that to do that,

I would sit and first work on establishing my grounding field, which is like a martial art, it's the, you know, so many of us need to work on that, where I, you know, just really envisioned kind of dropping the grounding anchor deep into the earth, and then expanding the kind of diameter of that two income to be wider than my, my physical body and energetic field, and then bringing a column of birth, kind of vibration and earth energy up to surround and encompass my entire body and energetic field, and they had bringing that all the way up above my head. So that, that my whole energetic system was kind of influenced by that, that slow, nourishing vibration of the earth. And then when they're when there is that grounding connection established, then if you begin to kind of tune into what is your unique signature, and then kind of add, mix that with the earth signature as well, so that you've got, you become aware of your unique energetic signature and vibration. And then if you tune into your system, you can find areas in the body where you're holding things that are neither the earth signature or your personal signature. Use, you know, you may sense dissonance on some level and and sometimes there's a physical symptom that will go along with it like you, if you tune in, you may notice that you're kind of holding tension in your solar plexus, or, or pain in a body part or there's a feeling of absence in the lower part of your body, for example, or kind of like static or noise in your nervous system or so there's sometimes like a physical manifestation of it as well. But then if you really go into that, and listen to it, as opposed to trying to constantly avoid that, like almost met numb yourself or medicate or run away from that, but you go into it fully and you It's almost like, if you have anyone who's had a child, if you have a screaming toddler, if you just bend down and kind of listen, they often calm down. So so it's like, it's that same way in your body, there's this part of you, there's this that's trying to get your attention. So if you tune into it often that there's something that will be communicated. And then you've learned what you needed to learn from that. And then you can let it go. And if you've established that earth connection, you can just intend for that, that dissonant energy to ground down into the earth and the earth will willingly and lovingly take and transmute that for you. And you can just flush your body and pull all of that dissonance out.

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Absolutely. I do it every day, every day, every single day. At least once you know I wake up and then the first thing I do in the morning is meditate. It's my favourite thing. It gets me out of bed I'm like oh no, I plan to before I have to go anywhere in the morning. I always set my alarm like at least a couple hours before that. So that I can do my whole morning practice of like waking up meditate. And I like to go outside, put my feet on the grass no matter how cold it is, you know kind of watch the sunrise if it's that time of the year or you know at least be out doing some stretching on the lawn. You know, we've learned so much about how that hooks us in with the kind of circadian rhythm of the planet and really begins to regulate our circadian rhythm and begins to inform our energy in the day and how well we sleep at night. So it's vital, vital for the health of our mitochondria vital for our circadian rhythm.

Yeah, I'd love to spend a bit of time there then. So tell me when you wake up in the morning you the first thing you do is is to meditate. I'd love to hear how you how you set up your morning routine for that kind of balanced energy throughout the day.

Okay, full disclosure, I wake up and I go get a cup of coffee because I love it and I have this practice where in my household we we roast our own beans. If you roast your own beans, they are literally one of the world's Ready to superfoods because they are just loaded with anti knock antioxidants and vitamins and minerals and things. And many, many of the nutrients are lost in it after about 10 days. So if you can grow start means and then you know, brew your own coffee or make a cold brew, which is what we do, you will, you will get one nutrients that way. So I do I do the coffee with some homemade milks that we make. I do right now macadamia nut milk. And that way you're avoiding all the seed oils and the the gums and fillers and additives that are added to different milks and out there in the market right now. So do a little bit of that I sit down in meditation and clear my field ground, you know, do work on my chakra as my auric field. And, and then I have

the coffee before the meditation. Yeah,

interesting. But actually more and more people that I talk to you that have been practices do that. And it's just more like, almost like, you know, kind of brings brings you very, very alert and present. And then and then I apply that alertness to the surveillance of my own field and, and the rate of it, and then those moments not, you know, not the whole time. But you know, if I'm lucky, I'll have like, portions of that time, where then I'm just kind of melding into oneness with the field itself, that the field of energy and information that we live within and that were derived from. And so I'll have kind of like the moments or segments of my time, but I'm kind of really connected with that, and feel that connection and appreciate that connection. And that brings me into a state of, you know, kind of gratitude and love and bliss. And then, you know, I moved from there to out to the yard and watching the sunrise and just that is makes me so happy to be alive and to be on this planet and to be nourished by the energy of the sun. And, you know, we would not be here if it wasn't for the sun. So establishing the connection between life, our life and the sun and how much nourishment we receive is, I think a very important thing.

I love that. So then we're outside on the with feet on the floor grounding and stretching,

grounding, stretching sungazing a little bit. And that you know, with your eyes open so that you're really pulling those photons in through the eyes, it's so important. You don't have to stare right at the sun, unless you're into the sun gazing practice, but what you only want to do right around the time of the sunrise or sunset. But it is it is our, our relationship to the sun is absolutely vital. It's fascinating, the sun has a cycle, and the sun is going through a period of, of of intense activity, you know, is this like a 5000 year type cycle. And we're moving into this point where the sun is, you know, emitting a lot more you know, there's there's mass solar ejections, there's, there's like a variety of types of information and energy being emitted from the sun. And I strongly feel that this is an opportunity for us to, to kind of take in more information into our system so that we have, we have what we need to evolve consciously, as a species. Awesome. I want to talk a

little bit more about that in a moment after after you've done the grounding practice, do you then do any kind of formal exercise routine, or is that later in the day?

We do, I do that later in the day. But in a perfect world, if I had all the time in the world, I would probably do morning and later because I just love exercising so but I do a pretty vigorous kind of like stretching in the morning. And then And then always at the end of my work day go workout, whether it's going to the gym, or doing a dance class or going out on the mountain here and running on the trails or going to the beach walking and running on the beach or something like that.

Quite vigorous activity kind of to round off the day.

Yeah, because I have I have just jam packed days. You know, I'm seeing patients all day and doing meetings whenever I'm not seeing a patient and and I have a lot of energy I need to kind of blow off at the end of the day.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So let's talk about your your practice because it's really, really interesting, all of the kind of treatments and things that you have there. I know that you when we were talking earlier, you were saying you started more in the hormone space with my identical woman therapy. I've had quite a few questions from from listeners and programme members around hormones in preparation for this interview for women who are in their 40s, that big on nffd is right there in and around that kind of perimenopause through menopause age. I think the biggest question on most women's minds is and that I've had a lot come in on is, when is the right time to think about hormone therapy? At what point is that right for and how can we take a truly individualistic approach for the woman herself?

Yeah, it does need to be individualised because not all women need to start hormone therapy, you know, when they're Peri menopausal, but some definitely do. And so it's really based on how the woman feels. So is the woman having, let's say, worsening PMS as she she heads toward menopause. Is she having periods in the month where her oestrogen is dipping below a threshold that then begins to create symptoms for her? Is she having periods in the month where she has hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, irritability? Are there times when she's worried about her memory? Or is she beginning to have like depression or anxiety or headaches? You know, those, those low oestrogen symptoms can become more frequent. In the peri menopausal period. A woman may have kind of erratic ovarian function were some months they she might have very normal, you know, hormone levels and be asymptomatic and then she might go through a couple months of a missed period and then become very symptomatic, or she may continue to menstruate, but just the lows, the oestrogen lows become lower. So the hallmark of perimenopause is that the the ovarian production of hormones is more is less predictable. And oftentimes, the the oestrogen levels they'll get to a lower level during at least periods of the menstrual cycle. The progesterone that that's produced with from the point of ovulation to menstruation levels tend to go down in perimenopause. So a lot of times women will have symptoms related to oestrogen dominance where they're, you know, their oestrogen is fluctuating up fluctuating down, you know, sometimes being insufficient, sometimes even flipping to the opposite extreme and being a little bit too high. But the progesterone levels are just kind of going down, down down with every passing cycle. And sometimes the woman will have what's called an EN ovulate Tory cycle in perimenopause where they don't ovulate, and they don't make any progesterone. So like if you have oestrogen dominance, you may have like breast tenderness, breast enlargement, lots of fluid retention, your periods might become heavier clot would have clots might might, you might bleed earlier, you may start spotting before the menstrual cycle. And you may find that you have again, harder time sleeping, more anxiety. And so if you have those similar kind of like symptoms of oestrogen dominance, it's almost a no brainer to begin working with some natural progesterone in a cyclical manner. So that would be finding a doctor skilled at hormone balancing and working, you know, with some natural progesterone from about the midpoint of the cycle around day 14 through day 28. And there's even some over the counter progesterone creams that are very low dose but sometimes that's just enough to begin to kind of expand the cycle back out to close to 28 days. Lighten up the periods a little bit, reduce the breast tenderness and fluid retention and improve the sleep and kind of like even the mood in the premenstrual time. So the oestrogen supplementation and in perimenopause is certainly, you know very individualised, like sometimes women really need it and other women don't. Sometimes women need it only during certain times of the month and Not at other times, and then sometimes they needed some months but not others. So it's it's very confusing in the peri menopausal time and it gets a lot easier once a woman you know, moves into the steady state of menopause. But in the peri menopausal time, you know, I, I end up teaching women how to listen to their bodies and how to understand when they need the oestrogen when they don't need it, or when to raise it and when to lower it based on their symptoms. And so there's a lot of doctors that understand how to do that and I can just absolutely help the woman through the perimenopause time.

The other side is so much more intuitive. The anatomy teaching her how to understand what level

women like handouts and say okay, here are the low oestrogen symptoms here the high oestrogen symptoms. If you have the low oestrogen, oestrogen symptoms, use your app, you know, I like to do bioidentical patches. That seems to be very helpful in perimenopause, there's, of course creams and trophies and whatnot. But the patch is so steady state, it's so helpful. So I'll often say You know, if you have these symptoms, put your patch on if you begin having these symptoms, take it off or cut it in half, you know, like these things. So, so that you'd begin to kind of, you know, understand what's going on and then and I find it very helpful in the peri menopausal state to, to check levels periodically. So a woman can really begin to understand like, Ah, this symptom is related to this level of oestrogen. So they'd say, once you've done that a few times, and you kind of know, okay, this is what's going on. You know, sometimes women begin like having a hard time I have begun having urinary incontinence, vaginal dryness, you know, and then it's like, if they just raised the oestrogen a little bit fully goes away. Or they begin saying, like, oh, I need to go get this out of the vacuum cleaner instead of refrigerator or I need to go put this in, you know, the toaster instead of the washing machine. Like they they begin doing these like word substitutions. And they like come to me like panicked, like, am I going into you know, dementia or something, my kids are pointing it out, my husband everyone's noticing, and then they put it put them on a little oestrogen totally goes away. So it's, it's like extraordinary how how we're so you know, the proper balance of hormones is so fundamental to our brain health, our moods, our sexual health, our energy, our resiliency, to infection, etc. And so it's a very important thing to keep, keep tabs on it and really keep it balanced. The other thing that's absolutely fundamental to an easier path through perimenopause is adrenal support. Because the renal glands can make some oestrogen for you, they can make some testosterone for you. So as your ovaries become less predictable, and their production of those hormones, the adrenals try to pick up the slack. So if you're going into perimenopause and already an adrenal fatigue state, sometimes it's the straw that broke the camel's back to your adrenals. It just pushes your adrenals further into fatigue state and they cannot pick up any slack for your ovaries. And so then a woman will have a much more pronounced kind of like, symptom situation during perimenopause and other women that have very healthy adrenals. As they move into menopause, they kind of glide through that period menopausal period much more gracefully.

You find that women who are have, you know, good adrenal function, that sometimes they can actually you say they sort of can glide through it? Are they able to sort of make that transition? Have you found without needing any hormone therapy

at all? Once in a while? Yeah, sometimes it's

not that often then. Sometimes. I

mean, like, there's so much individual variability, variability, because even when you look at menstruating women, there's a huge differential from, you know, with oestrogen levels. So sometimes, when some women are high oestrogen, some women are lower oestrogen. That's just the way it is. So the women that are lower oestrogen, when they start going into menopause, it's less of a difference. So they tend to not have as hard at the time with it. The women with higher oestrogen and they start going into they've adapted to that and then they go into perimenopause or menopause. It's a huge difference and it's very traumatic in their body to also lose this hormone. And then of course, we have the testosterone which is so important and, and you know, sick leave 62 75% of the testosterone is made by the ovaries and so that, you know, the loss of that affects metabolism and brain function and energy and just just kind of mojo Beto and all of that. So, so, again, the adrenals Make, make testosterone for you and healthy, healthy adrenals can do a much better job of that. And, and so, you know, some women are more affected by the loss of their ovarian function in that regard than others. Interesting,

the thing I've seen when I've worked with with clients in the US, which we don't seem to use so much here, and I think it has actually caused quite a few problems for people I've seen is when they're given oestrogen pellets. And that's obviously that doesn't fit with your system of being able to lay off the patch, take it off, because they've got these overwhelming sense of like, Oh, my pellets are adjusting. I can't exercise. I can't do this. And it's almost like there's this massive dose of oestrogen at the beginning. And then as it's petering out, they sort of feel it's insufficient as well. It feels difficult that journey.

I am so against pellets. Yeah, I do not like them at all. Because of that. And yeah, you can't once you put a pellet in, you can't take it out. So I mean, they're in and the insertion process is very violent, you know, you're using these large truck answers to like, you know, put it in the buttock and leave scars. And, you know, woman, that's their way of administering hormones over time, their whole buttock is scarred with, like, you know, the, at the insertion site. I've seen people come in with infections, and they have to go on antibiotics. So for so many reasons, and then testosterone pellets are very common in the United States and, and poor women, sometimes they end up with like these, you know, with acne and hair loss and hair growth and unwanted places, and then they can't do anything about it until it wears off. And, you know, that's just, to me, such a kind of like, almost like, a masculine way of things that's not respectful of the nuances of the body.

And most often, to be fair, I don't want to generalise but when I've seen clients, it has been a male. Yeah, doctor that they've been seeing, which is interesting. What about progesterone? Some women seem to find it hard to tolerate. Have you found that?

Yeah, it's rare. But it does happen that some women don't tolerate first of all oral progesterone while because it can exacerbate overgrowth of yeast in the gut. So doesn't usually create a yeast problem out of nowhere. But if someone has a little bit of fungal overgrowth in the gut, because of the diet rich in carbohydrates, and maybe antibiotic use history or something like that, the progesterone can can magnify that a little bit, kind of stimulates the growth of yeast and can cause a lot of intestinal disharmony. Some women have symptoms related to either oral or transdermal progesterone that's more along the lines of depression. That's pretty rare, but some women have it and, and there I find the occasional woman who just really can't take any form of progesterone. But, but usually you can find a dose that a woman can tolerate in either a transdermal or a oral form.

Okay. And you found it's interesting what you're saying there about the creams being effective possibly in the early stages of perimenopause when the cycle is sort of just lengthening because you can't sort of, well, they're dosed, aren't they, in terms of a pump, how much you're putting on but I'm guessing you don't really know how much is being absorbed in that situation.

They're absorbed quite well, and, you know, the over the counter creams usually have about 17 milligrammes per gramme, or 717 milligrammes per quarter teaspoon. That's about the common over the counter dose. So, yeah, I mean, just that little tiny bit can can sometimes be just enough in like the kind of Peri menopausal time of life sometimes even Chasteberry. The herbs can sometimes be enough like if you have a long or really early period menopausal woman if you're combining that with some adrenal support, that often can be enough

to help. And so kind of moving on that from a longevity perspective. And some of the treatments you offer both for longevity but also energy medicine. What can women be thinking about doing I know you are I use red light therapy a lot, for example PMF. Can you describe some of those treatments for people who are really trying to embrace their energy and vitality going into that second half of life?

Absolutely. Yes. So one of our therapies are geared toward mitochondrial upregulation and optimization. So mitochondria are the little energy factories within ourselves that manufacture energy. And they take glucose from our food and oxygen that we breathe and run them through a series of chemical steps to produce ATP, which is the energy currency of the body. And the health of our mitochondria. And how much energy our mitochondria can produce is really fundamental to the health of ourselves and our body. And we age because our mitochondria, age and become dysfunctional, and we develop diseases because of that as well. And so a lot of the therapies and the technologies in the kind of biohacking bio optimization space are really geared toward improving mitochondrial health. So for example, red light therapy. In our in our centre we do we have three Nova for beds, which is a was developed in the UK. That's the best red light bed, I think. And it's got red and near infrared light wavelengths. And that's been shown to upregulate mitochondrial function. So there's, you know, in if you get granular with the chemical steps inside the mitochondria, it's called the electron transport chain. And there's three enzyme complexes and the final one is called cytochrome c oxidase, and that enzyme is light sensitive. So it often gets blocked with Mnajdra nitric oxide, which begins to diminish the mitochondria has ability to make ATP, but both red light and the near infrared light wavelengths will unblock that enzyme when liberated again, so that it can function more fully. And that when the energy production goes up within the cell, then the cellular health improves, the person's health improves. And there's phenomenal research on a whole vast array of clinical conditions like neurodegenerative diseases, and sports injuries and all of that. And the red light near infrared light has also been shown to modulate the immune system and release tissue specific growth factors for healing and repair, like, you know, like growth factors that stimulate collagen production or brain derived natural neurotropic growth factors to heal the brain and, and a variety of others as well like IGF one. So, so it's it's an incredibly important therapy. And of course, you can also get these wavelengths of light from going outside, particularly in the morning. That's actually one of the main reasons why I go outside in the morning, because the fruit the different frequencies of light, vary according to the time of day. And right when the sun is cresting the horizon, you have a predominance of red and near infrared light wavelengths that are being emitted, that can influence your mitochondria. So we also do like you were saying pulsed electromagnetic field therapies, and I think about that as earthing or grounding kind of on steroids, you're flooding your body with electrons. And our cell membranes are all of our 37 trillion cells are like batteries that need to be charged. And the higher the more that our cell membrane is charged, the healthier the cell is, it's called the cell membrane potential. Electrons are negatively charged. So the more negative our cell membrane potential is, the healthier the cell, the more positive it is, the less nature of the cell becomes more vulnerable to invasion with micro organisms. If it becomes more positive, still, it becomes a setup for cancer. So we like to do therapies like you know, of course putting bare feet on the ground and pulling electrons up through your skin and your feet to charge your body and eating a high lifeforce corrosion diet that provides electrons in this kind of living food that that will, you know, help to charge your cell membranes but the pulsed electromagnetic field therapies will do it. You know, to a great degree and it feels so good. So we do have plus electromagnetic field and very Use forms that we use. One is in the Hockett, which is an infrared ozone sauna that has the pulsed electromagnetic field. And then we have a lot of therapies that are geared toward frequency delivery. Because you know, I talk a lot about this in my book, Your pristine blueprint, but every single thing has an A unique energetic signature. So we have a unique energetic signature, which is really the collective signature on all of our, you know, kind of molecules that make up our body, as well as our unique kind of energetic field, which is influenced by our soul. So we have a unique energetic signature, that as we go through life can become contaminated by foreign energetic signatures that are not harmonious with our bodies, such as the energetic signatures of pathogens, or of toxins, or of you know, these accumulated unmetabolized emotions, from traumatic experiences, these things can over time begin to disrupt our physiology. So, you know, we can begin to become aware of these things and clear them in meditative practices, and kind of move our vibration up to the point where we can transmute these things to a degree, but we also have technologies now to identify a barent signatures and send back corrective frequencies to, to clear those. So we have do something here called resonance biofeedback therapy. And we are sending, we're measuring these kind of apparent free frequencies and people and then sending back corrective signatures through scalar fields, and through plasma. And that's called resonance, biofeedback. And then, you know, then the the body is read again, and it's this constant biofeedback situation.

And what have you found in that, with that treatment protocol? Do people need it say, for a sort of concentrated period, and then you leave a gap and they sort of have a break? And they're fine, and they come back? Or is this a little bit like red light therapy is an ongoing treatment they should

be having? Yeah, great question. It's often wrapped into protocols, let's say someone comes in and they have cancer, or they have like, you know, a kind of a very difficult autoimmune process or a complex, you know, deep chronic fatigue, because of multi infectious disease. Or, let's say exposure to mycotoxins or, or it's more because of, you know, a lot of childhood traumas, or usually it's a combination of things. Then we wrap this into the protocols that we create for people. So we're working on all levels. So we're working on the physical level, let's say we're treating infections with oxidative treatments or herbal therapies, or occasionally antibiotics for short periods of time. Let's say we're balancing the hormones, we're improving the microbiome in the gut, we're actually evaluating the person's diet and pulling allergenic foods out of the diet, improving the ratios of macronutrients in their diet, that's right for their bodies, and biochemistry. And then, you know, we're working on this level of up regulating mitochondrial function with the different mitochondrial therapies we do, which I only named one we have so many, or we're working on, on identifying kind of apparent energetic signatures, and correcting those, and then kind of digging deeper, and looking some more. And ideally, you're encouraging someone into a healthier lifestyle, that's really because someone doesn't need to come to our centre to really heal, you are a living example of, you know, being able to heal yourself, you know, with your kind of energetic work and awareness, and I am too and so, you know, this is something that's, we all have the power to do, and we develop the healthy practices in order to do it.

Amazing. So one last question for you go. What would you say then for people on that ongoing basis, so they don't have like, they're not trying to heal a particular condition, but they just want to feel like their best self. I know, you've mentioned your morning practice. What are the other things that you would say they need to embrace on a sort of daily or weekly basis to maintain that high energy

and healthspan? Yeah, great question. So many things. But, um, but it but it's fun, and it's Like, you know, just you can, you can not only maintain high health but but a beautiful life if you incorporate these things. So I would say what looking at your sleep and beginning to to monitor your sleep is a really fundamental thing for, for healthy ageing. And that is I'm a big fan of the aura ring. And I really encourage most of my patients to get them. And then data driving your sleep looking at what's your percentage of deep sleep? What, how much sleep are you actually getting? How many times are you waking up at night? How much time are you spending awake versus asleep? What's your heart rate variability when you were asleep? What's your heart rate when you're asleep? So so we're looking at lifestyle factors that influence and optimise the sleeve. So going outside in the morning has been shown to optimise sleep avoiding blue light exposure at night, it's been shown to optimise sleep, looking at what you eat, when you eat it and how that affects your sleep. Some people do better, maybe putting a little carbohydrate with dinner at night, and having a more substantial meal in order to keep their blood sugar steady throughout the evening. Other people cannot eat too close to going to bed. Otherwise, that's going to disrupt your sleep. But it's very unique to the individual. And you really don't know what is important for you, unless you kind of really pay attention to it. And you begin to day to drive it. So I encourage people to really track their sleep and and do what it takes to optimise it. I find exercise plays an enormous role with sleep quality. For me, that's one of my reasons why I exercise. If I don't exercise, I don't sleep well. And then if I don't sleep well, everything deteriorates. So, so anyway, exercise is important for everyone. And of course the the intensity varies according to the individual. Some people can only do like exercise type practices of stretching and yoga and other people need more high intensity exercise in order to feel good, that stoke their metabolism and you know, the person's adrenal health plays a huge role. So then diet, I think diet is is is vital, and really learning how you should be eating for the stage of life you're in, you know, there's no one diet that works for every person. And there's probably no one diet that's going to work for you your entire life, you need to look at kind of altering the ratios of the macronutrients you're ingesting based on what your caloric needs are, what your carbohydrate needs are, as you grow and change and move into different stages of life. And that's kind of obvious, like a marathon runner is going to need different energetic input, then a sedentary office worker, a young teenager versus a menopausal woman, you're going to need to eat different things. So so just learning, you know what works for you and sometimes tuning in look, you know, definitely I have to say stepping on the scale. It's a great feedback tool, and learning about your body composition, and doing blood work that's measuring kind of insulin receptor sensitivity markers, and looking at your cholesterol and blood sugar and insulin and haemoglobin ANC can begin to shed light on, you know, are you eating food that's jiving with your biochemistry at this stage of life. So that's hugely important. And then mindset. I think really working to become aware of your thoughts, and the emotional responses that those thoughts engender. Because you're the emotional response that you that kind of predominates in your being as you're going through your day, very much is going to affect how well we connect with the field of energy and information that we are derived from, and how well we can transmute the dissonance signatures within our system. So the higher vibrational emotional states tend to have a transmuting effect on dissonance signatures and make you more resilient as you're going through life. And sometimes it requires bringing some mindfulness to your day so that you're kind of monitoring your thoughts as you go through the day. So actually, so

is what you're saying there by sort of keeping a sort of higher vibrational thought. You're not attracting in quite so much of that negative sort of force that can disrupt things

and then that leaves everything like what you know who you are So what you choose to read what kind of social media rabbit holes you go down what kind of what what people who you like to associate with what they like to talk about what they like to, you know, what their energetic vibration is, like, all these things actually matter. And, and because you you know, you want my my feeling is is that I want to be mindful of, of my thoughts and these choices that I'm making so that I can kind of stay positive in my thinking and engender higher vibrational emotions so that I can have greater access to the energy and information of from the field and, and have like a healthier physiology.

I love the way you bring that in in the book. For anyone listening, I definitely recommend go and pick up a copy of your pristine blueprint because in there you talk about the unified field and how it affects and all of these treatments we're talking about today. I've had such a fun conversation talking to you and it's been so, so informative. So many takeaways. Where can people find more about you and your work and connect with you?

Well, they can learn about my philosophies by reading my book or getting it out audio. It's called your pristine blueprint. And they can also follow me on social media. My Instagram is Beth McDougal, MD and then you can find out more about our bio optimization centre jason.com JYZE N. And my personal website Beck McDougal md.com

Amazing. We will link to all of those in the show notes. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been such a joy talking to you. Ah,

thank you so much, Angela. What a great opportunity to talk love talking with you.

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