Yeah, you just see. And so it's a felt experience like, Oh, we're kind of, yeah. It's, I can kind of feel it and and when I do empathic reflections, sometimes I'm reflecting back a deep, you know, emotional, I mean, a deep feeling, a deep quality to them that, you know, kind of so I can, I can sense that there's another model too, that is from, you know, Marshall Rosenberg, from nonviolent communication, has really kind of developed, and that's the feelings and needs. So at the core are of that common humanity. People have different needs, so need for care, for love, maybe for empathy, for, you know, respect. So there's these core feelings. It's like, sort of like, you know, when, if you're if you're hungry, that's a need for sustenance, right? So there's if there's, it's the same way someone might be angry in a situation because they have a need for respect or for care or something. So you have sort of a surface of feeling, but it's pointing to something deeper, like a core. He calls it needs. I just say it's like a feeling that people desire, you know, you might like fairness, like if you're in a situation where you're excluded, and you feel, I, you know, I feel angry about that, because I have a need for fairness and inclusion, something like that. And that's sort of a deeper need that we sort of biologically, you know, have these different needs. And so a big part of when, when, when, I don't know how much you've looked into NBC, but yeah, you try to reflect back the person's feeling. And you can reflect back the feeling that you think they might have, that they haven't really articulated, but you can sort of sense, and then you can also make a guess about the need they have, you know, you can, sort of, sometimes just in, into it and that, and, you know, Rogers talked also about that you're, you're sensing into someone's experience, and that you can, you can set, you can reflect back even farther than they expressed right there, sort of the horizon of what they've sort of expressed, but you can sort of sense what's underneath it. And he just talks about being careful, about not being too intrusive, about reflecting back more than the person might be comfortable with, you know, having sort of shared something like that. So that's sort of a Yeah, and then there's sort of a depth, you know, I have a sense when I really connect with someone, there's like, we almost go into a space of, you know, kind of see their soul or their common humanity.