Well, good afternoon. It is now three o'clock pm recording, we progress, a meeting of the Detroit board of police commissioners to order. As we can see, we don't yet have a quorum, but that does not impede us from beginning our meeting with a word of invocation. We are grateful today to be joined by zoom with Chaplain Gregory Wilson, who will offer us our invocation for today's meeting. Chaplain Wilson,
thank you.
Most Gracious Heavenly Father, we want to say thank you. Thank you for this day because this truly is the day that you have made we choose to rejoice and be glad in it. Lord, we thank You for this Board of Commissioners we ask Lord that you knit them together in unity and in love. We ask that everything be done decent and in order. Your Word tells us to give thanks unto the Lord. Then call upon your name and make known your deeds among the people. So before we ask anything, we want to say thank you, Lord, you told us that in your word, and in all our ways to acknowledge you, and you shall direct thy path we're acknowledging you and we need direction. We ask that you look give show your love and unexpected them with your peace of God, we thank you for the board. We thank you for their families. And we thank you for what they do for the citizens of this city. And we give you praise and glory in Jesus name. Amen.
Thank you so very much for that poignant word of invocation. And again, as we wait for our colleagues to allow us to maintain a quorum. I'll have chief investigator to provide us our announcements, a chief investigator Warfield. Good afternoon
Mr. Chair afternoon. The next meeting of the Detroit board of police commissioners will take place on Thursday, March 7 2024. At three o'clock pm here at Detroit Public Safety headquarters 13 Oh 1/3 Street, Detroit, Michigan 48226. The next community meeting will be held Thursday March the 14th 2024 at 6:30pm at the 10th precinct within the 10 precinct at Dexter Avenue Baptist community center. That address is 3350 West Davidson Street, Detroit for a 238 our monthly committee meeting schedule is at fault as as follows February 2020. The policy committee will be meeting on Tuesday, March the fifth 2024 At five o'clock pm personnel and training committee will be meeting on Wednesday March the sixth 2024 at 5pm. The citizens complaints will be meeting on Tuesday, March 26 2024. All of those meetings will be held right here at the Detroit Public Safety headquarters.
Thank you for those announcements. Again, we urge all of our community participants that again, you do hash on you for public comment. For those who have in the room. You can just fill out the card and make sure you provided to miss Joni Underwood or on zoom you can just identify yourself and you will be put into the queue. Again, with the quorum not yet being sustained. We are able to receive staff reports. And so at the time our hex Chief Investigator Warfield provides us our Community Impact Report. And now colleagues do be mindful that there are no motions that can be made as a result of this report. Well, we can indeed receive it so chief investigator, thank
you through the chair, this past to have the opportunity and the privilege to present our plan to move forward as relates to our backlog cases and how we are assessing and receiving our cases. We have a slide presentation won't go through the whole slide presentation but just some highlighted points just so that the citizens understand where we are and why we are. Our staffing issues changed significantly in the last four years. In four years. We've lost 22 of our employees either 29 employees 22 And they're retired, resigned or sought other opportunities. Out of those 29 employees only eight of the original still remain. Which leads us to a fairly young office as we look to our investigative status. Right now. Out of the 15 investigators that we have on staff 10 of those investigators have two years or less experience working for office and eight of those investigators eight of the 10 or has less than a year. We have five investigators that have 11 plus years experience however, they're still doing a great job. When we look at the complaints that came in last year. It was a year unlike no other we had 1742 complaints that came into our office and as you can see by the chart in front of you. By far, that was the highest recorded number of complaints that we've measured since we've been taking these figures. In addition to that, as we look at the number of allegations that we were able to investigate or We're still investigating, we have 4812 allegations that came in and we have to investigate each allegation. And so when you look at the workload of the Office of the Chief Investigator is significantly increasing. And yet at this point, we're in the process of reviewing applicants to hire eight more investigators to handle this load. In addition to that, when you look at our current inventory, what we're doing right now, there are 342 current cases. Those are cases that are 90 days or less or less than 90 days. In our office. The backlog numbers are 1334 cases. Those are cases that are past 90 days. Our total in house case is 1671 cases and house total. When you divide our staff up say 1515 Investigators divided by that number you're looking at about 114 cases per investigator, which is well over the industry standard. The industry standard is between eight to 15 cases per investigator. But there's a reason how we got here when we referenced those individuals who resigned and left our offices are took other opportunities. 17 of those 22 individuals were investigators. And so each of those investigators on average, left about 50 cases behind to be to be picked up by investigators that remained and so that's about 1020 cases right there that was added to people's two peoples caseload. However, we do have a process in place and a project in place that we want to move forward and recalling this our timeliness initiative project or tip for short. And the purpose of this project is to conduct timely, thorough investigations by proving investigative efficiencies within the Office of the Chief Investigator. Obviously, obviously, we need people but the one thing we know we can do is make sure that some of our processes are efficient. And so we develop a seven step plan. And in that seven step plan, we believe it addresses some of the efficiencies within our office. One of the first things we're doing is sending out letters to all of the citizens who have filed complaints in their cases, our backlog to let them know that we haven't forgotten about you that our cases right now backlog but we are still committed to do thorough investigations for all of the cases that are in house. Secondly, and I'll give you a version of this. We'll show a little bit of this in a moment. We want to streamline and automate our investigative reports on average, it takes our investigators somewhere between five to eight hours to type a full investigation that's putting it in format and typing. That's not the investigation end of it. And that's because we're in the process, which is another part of our plan of moving to a case management system that will make that a lot easier than what we're doing right now. And I'm gonna show you how we believe we can even cut that process in half. We also want to maintain the thoroughness again of our investigations. We're not making any shortcuts as relates to the thoroughness of our investigation. We need to hire eight new investigators. We're in talks right now. With the city of Detroit and the IT department to purchase a new case management system that's currently being used by the ombudsman office, the office, the OIG office, as well as, as well as the ethics office. It's called wings swept, and so technical conversations are being held right now. On that and and then we are working with Commissioner woods to implement a mediation process for those cases that would apply that would be applicable for that. One of the things I want to share and I'll try and do this it's as if I can share my screen. I want to show the commissioners just for a moment here. You got more how this automated process what
is this was
okay, there you go. Thank you. Yes. Thank you. So what you have on your what you have on your screen is an automated, automated form that was developed by our supervising investigators, our senior investigators. And Miss Jasmine Taylor, who works here as well as our administrative staff. What this does is significantly cuts the amount of typing time that will take for an investigator started report and so what we do we click on here and we'll type the the complaint number and again, same thing with the BPC number we'll type that in and then we have a bunch of drop downs that we include it in this that will make things a lot easier as we lace to process and in cases so you'll see calendars there. We get to the to the officers information and everything in this form flows. The regular course that you will see in your typed up report now. So all of that information is here. And what makes it good is that not only is it there, but there's also a section and I'm rushing us a little bit, but there's also a section here that gives the commissioners a great detail a summary of what was done in that report and why it was done. All the attachments that you normally have in your report will still be included with this form. Again, it doesn't mean that we're shortcutting any part of the investigation process you will also be able to get the findings. click off of it. You'll also be able to get the findings. So for instance, if you want to know what the allegation was the investigators can go and put the allegation there if it was the main or if it was service a force and they're able to fill this form out a lot quicker than it would take to format the whole written report. We have done a beta test in our office. And right now this form takes about an hour to hour and a half max to complete as opposed to four to eight hours that we were doing. So for that that means that we can get to other investigations a lot quicker, and we won't have to spend a lot of time typing those reports but again, we do not run short on the actual investigative process itself.
Okay, thank you. We appreciate the thoroughness of that and again are looking forward to the efficiencies that are gained by implementing these processes because obviously we all should be immensely focused on closing the back law cases. And so whatever we might be able to do to expedite that process so that when deemed necessary, appropriate discipline or counseling can be done. We aren't the ones that are holding you back. And so you can appreciate that Commissioner more.
Mr. Sherman, Chief, first of all, great presentation. Has there been any type of research done to determine exactly how many investigators we need to get this backlog taken care of.
Sir so when we were at the National oversight convention in Chicago, the overwhelming sentiment across the country is that pretty much you need investigators that will handle about 15 cases on their caseload for us and our office. We know what that looks like that looks like for us to be at about around 22 lives to gators. That's what we're shooting for. When we hire these next eight investigators. We will be right at that 22 threshold. And that's what we need to be now what we also will do is add another team and we'll add that other team in order to make sure that the workflow for the supervisors are not overwhelming as well. And that 14 will be a training team for those individuals who are seniors that can get the experience of being a supervisor before it's time to be promoted. So there'll be a rotation process in there for our seniors. But we will be there once we get the rest of the investigators on board.
And I don't know if this process was stalled as a result of the transition of our board secretary but I know that there was some assistance provided with a lean team that was reviewing all of our processes to see the time that it takes in the amount of cases per investigator and so there may be an update that we can provide in the coming weeks if that is still ongoing that might also be helpful by way of research is being done in that regard. You're welcome. Okay, we still don't yet have a quorum, and I've tried my best and I think we've expended most of what we can do in the amended agenda. And so we'll open up now for public comment for those community persons who are looking to do that now because this is happening before the one hour that our bylaws a lot if we do gain a quorum, there'll be another opportunity for those who have yet to make it to the meeting to make public comment. But again, we will take those who are here for public comment at this time. It's under what
Mr. Chair we have eight speakers. The first speaker will be Miss Smith. After Miss Smith it'll be Miss Butler and Reggie Crawford.
On all right, good afternoon. I came today especially because I want all of us to know we have something to be grateful for besides the crime. I'll get to that later. But we have a chief that's among us. Our Detroit police chief. You saw the TV the other day. There he was he told us last week and he was going to be in Washington, but I had no idea and I think we didn't have that much of idea. But I want us all to give him an applause and I mean it to everyone in this room because he recited some things that everybody should know about. And he had the president standing there next to him. Now, we don't have that too often when we have the president among us when we do anything as far as making a speech. So I just want to let you know I'm very proud of him whether you guys not proud or not. I am and I'm going to tell him hey is tell him. The mother Bernie said she's proud of him. What I would like to know is what is going on with our crime in our city. You have a 11 year old young lady that was killed as most of you know, that was killed sleeping on a couch. But good things happen because Lord is still with us because we were able to find the police. The police was able to find three of them. And I'm wondering within myself, what what kind of parents did they have? I have stressed this over and over again when I come before you parents need to take more of a tension to their adult children. You know that age of 17 and 18 and 20. That's ridiculous. They either have to have a job or get a job or finish school. I have five I'm proud of mine. They all finish school and they all have jobs. 35 years with one that 65 years old. One is going to retire in June 1. And Woods Thank the Lord. I'm glad you were able to marry him before he
thank you for your time.
All right, anyway. Take care of these youngsters and find out what they're doing.
Thank you. And we see now that we do indeed have a quorum, and so we can begin with our regular agenda. And so, Chief Investigator Warfield, introduction of commissioners
Commissioner Kontes Presley here, Commissioner Willie Bell, requested an excused absence. Commissioner tam Tamra Liberty Smith, Commissioner Linda de Barnard requested a excused absence. Commissioner Cedric Manx present. Commissioner Willie Burton, present commissioner at Lisa Carter Commissioner Ricard are more present. Commissioner. Hey Suz Hernandez. Commissioner were a gamble president and Commissioner Darryl Woods
present. With that we do indeed have a quorum, and now we'll move on to the approval of the February 29 2024 agenda. Is there any objection to this agenda? Hearing no objection, the agenda is approved. And now we'll move on to the approval of the minutes for Thursday, February 22 2024. Is there any objection to the approval of these minutes? Hearing no objection, Those minutes are approved. Now we'll move on to the approval of the closed session minutes from February 22 2024. Is there any objection to the approval of the closed session? Hearing none Those minutes are also approved. And now we'll move on to the introduction of Bo PC staff Chief of Police elected officials representatives and community leaders of our chief investigator Warfield
through the chair. Attorney Stephanie Labelle is joining us by Webb zoom. We have from the dlpfc office Miss Teresa blossom, Miss Gianna Underwood. Miss Jasmine Taylor is Candice Hayes from the Office of the Chief Investigator we have supervising investigator Ainsley Cromwell. American Sign Language interpreters, Dr. Stephanie Beatty, and Miss ukata. The department I'm sorry, Trey, police department HR Director Dr. cucina Pattillo. Mr. Don Handyside court reporter from psi video we have Lucas and Nielsen sitting in for Chief James why today is Deputy Chief Franklin Hayes as relates to our elected official representatives. Mr. Murray overall for from state representative Tyrone Carter's office, Mr. Don Davis, from city council members for a do Hall The third's office, and former Commissioner William Davis is with us.
Thank you again, we're grateful to everyone's participation. And our hope is that it adds to the productivity of today's meeting. With that we'll now move on to the board of police commissioners Officer's Report, where I would like to invite the attention of my colleagues to a signed letter that will should be in the folder of your binder. And this is relative to acting supervising investigator Elgin Murphy he has been serving in that role for several months now, but we had not yet approved his out of pay compensation. And so the chair entertains a motion for the audit pay for acting supervisor investigator Elgin Murphy of $80,000 annually with an effective date of January 18 2024. Is there a second, second proud mood and second, is there any discussion? Yes, Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Moore.
I just want to make sure that we do have the funding in the budget for this Yes,
we do. Okay, thank you. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it in that motion passes. We have already received our Community Impact Report. And so now we'll turn it over to DC Hayes. As he gives us the chief of police report. Thank you, Mr.
Chair and to the soluble body members in attendance, as well as community members that are joining us virtually. Good afternoon. On behalf of Chief white I am Deputy Chief Franklin Hayes, and I'd like to provide the Chiefs report and share what's going on here in DPD. Crime is mother money syndicated the work that's being done here in the city was front and center in front of our nation yesterday when chief white joined President Biden to talk about major cities that have had a reduction in crime. What stands out in the city of Detroit as well several of those agencies that were there, have their numbers have gone trended favorably to pre pandemic crime numbers. Ours exceeded pre pandemic and we were 60 year lows and some of our most violent crimes here. In the city. So as the chief often says, while we're not waving the flag of or claiming victory, certainly success in the efforts and initiatives that we are doing to make our city safe and we will continue to do just that, constitutionally. Homicides year to date. Last year, we were at, well, I guess we didn't have the 29th last year but around this time last year, we were 37 homicides this year we are 28 104 non fatal shootings. Last year this year. We are at 76 that is 37 less victims of gun violence here in our city. 37 Less families that are grieving or trying to learn what the new normal looks like, and the trauma less associated with that. So again, something that we are extremely proud of and we continue to work to drive that number down even further. We had 218 robberies last year. This year we had 149 That's 69 less victims. carjackings, we had 30 this time last year, this year we had 1730 less victims of carjacking our overall violent crime. We are down 8% where we've had 1708 Total incidents last year. And this year we have 1576 One of our initiatives that we continue to address and serve members of our community that is the mental health crisis. We have built some amazing partnerships and with our mental health co response we are able to get those that are in need. Have our officers trained up and again with our partnerships to get them that help with those services that they are in need of this year. We are seeing progress. Last year we responded around this time here today 2341 calls of a mental health related Nexus this year, we are at 2237. So 104 Less calls. So you know, it is our belief and we will continue to work as we come up with a long term solution to help those ailing from this mental health crisis to get them to help I want to talk about a few significant events that has happened as mother Medusa indicated the very tragic shooting of the 11 year old earlier. Since we last met, we had several individuals that were charged through again our law enforcement partners it was all hands on deck to find the people responsible. Again multiple arrests were made. Thank the Wayne County prosecutor and those for for the charges coming through. So some very violent individuals off our streets. Our city just got safer with that initiative. We had a fatal shooting on February 23. In the 2400 block of Concord, where officers arrived on the scene and observed the victim receiving a medical attention from EMS victim was suffering from gunshot wounds to the head in the chest and was pronounced deceased. Officers from the seventh precinct preserve the scene and detectives from Homicide were notified and were able to determine that the victim was shot by suspect last seen speeding away from the scene in a black SUV. Several individuals were detained and questioned by homicide however no charges have been filed at this time. This investigation is still ongoing. So we are asking that anyone with additional information regarding this incident contact Crimestoppers at one 800 SpeakUp or Detroit rewards TV. We also had a non fatal shooting of a seven year old that happened on February 26 at 11:27pm and the 17,000 block of Oakland officers arrived on the scene and observe a victim 17 years old lying in the street suffering from multiple gunshot wounds to the abdomen. officers on the scene provided medical assistance until the medics arrived. The individual was transported to Detroit receiving hospital was listed in critical condition officers from the 11 precinct preserve the scene and homicide I'm sorry and detectives from our precinct non fatal shooting team were notified. They were able to determine that the victim was riding his bike when an unknown vehicle drove up and fire shot striking the victim. This investigation to is still ongoing and anyone with information, please contact Crimestoppers at one 800 SpeakUp Detroit Ward's TV and also the lemon precinct detective unit. If anyone has any information. We've had a carjacking that happened in the 15,000 block of Wisconsin that occurred on February 27. Just before 5am We talked to the victim who stated that she came home from work the suspect drove alongside of her in a dark colored sedan and asked for directions to the gas station. Before the victim could answer the suspect exited the vehicle pointed a handgun at her and announced a robbery. The suspect struck the victim several times with the hand gun and took her purse. The suspect then ordered the victim from her vehicle and another suspect from that dark colored sedan entered the victim's vehicle and drove away. The victim's vehicle is a 2011 Ford Escape with the Michigan license plate of e. S is in SAM us in union 406 For our commercial auto theft unit is investigating this case but if anyone has any additional information again please contact Crimestoppers at one 800 SpeakUp or rewards TV. One last incident is a critical stabbing that happened on the 27th to set 5:14pm and the 18,000 block of Greenfield where officers arrived on the scene and discovered the victim had already left. We'd spoke to witnesses who stated that the victim and another man were playing basketball when they became upset with each other. One of the males didn't stab the other. And while the officers were at seeing the victim's mother arrived and showed the officers a social media livestream of her son being attacked by six males at the location resulting in one of the suspects stabbing the victim in the back. Again we indicated the victim wasn't at the scene he was privately conveyed to Sinai Grace hospital by a citizen and was listed in critical condition. We're asking for your help on this matter as well. If you can contact the Detroit precinct 12 precinct I'm sorry that is their precinct detective unit. Or one 800 SpeakUp also rewards TV as we could certainly use the community's help and holding the people accountable that committed these egregious acts. Just a few positive things that are going on. On Monday, the 26th the third precinct held their st senior Bingo Night, which was a success. As Mother Minnie so eloquently indicated chief white yesterday met with President Joe Biden in Washington DC to Detroit to discuss Detroit successful crime reduction strategies that resulted in the lowest number of homicides since 1966. Yesterday, the sixth precinct held his virtual community meeting I had the opportunity and the pleasure to attend got a chance to see Commissioner Moore at that meeting as well talked about some of the needs that were trending and going on and how we could be better servants of the community and was very insightful, impactful meeting and as we wrapped up heart Heart Health Month, which was February we had several different precincts the third, the fourth, the fifth, the eighth the ninth, the 11th and 12 all had events to promote.
Again healthy Hardman before I close I would like to address some some comments that were made in the media regarding some technology that we have utilized as an agency. We have procured it within the city procurement lines with that process is in protocol and it has been certainly a tool that has helped us. Again, those record low numbers of gun violence as we continue to see that trend. This has been a tool with that. When we talk about our city and we live in a city that that poverty line, it's prevalent here and we talk about low income communities. Oftentimes the low income communities are the most victimized and as public servants it is our duty and chief White has made the mandate we serve everyone regardless of socio economic class, race, creed, sex, religion. We are serving everybody and we will find constitutional ways with the use of technology. To help make this community safe, Chief White is unapologetic about it and that is the mission that we will carry out as an agency.
We are in a predominantly African American community. So any technology anything we use, that's where we are. So as it relates to wherever its position or whatever it may be. It could be a traffic stop, we conduct traffic stops and in a black city, so it is highly populated by African Americans. That's the demographic that we serve. The data speaks for itself. Just talking about how this technology has been affected, I just wanted to share some stats with you. We published this to this board. There's a report that goes out monthly that we talk about the effectiveness of this technology and what it does, and certainly how we have found it beneficial and help making our city safe. And this is the ShotSpotter technology and 2023 There are 18,065 alerts. Those alerts detected a total of 63,493 rounds of gunfire. May I mentioned there are no gun ranges here in the city of Detroit. So all of this gunfire is happening in people's neighborhoods in backyards and what goes up must come down. And sometimes they're not going in the ground. They're going into people. Those alerts were connected to 15,764 distinct incidents. That were recorded that we're records and our dispatch. But of those incidents 14,588 did not have a corresponding 911 Call in this batch was meaning this gunfire that's going on it's white noise people have become accustomed to hearing gunfire in our community and they don't even call 911 We are doing our very best to curb this and this technology certainly helps. How we pride the use of this technology and we differ from our counterparts around the country that have not had the successes that we have with this is because we have an infrastructure that once we get these alerts we're sending members out to look for ballistic evidence sometimes we're finding individuals that have been wounded by gunfire before the 911 calls. Sometimes we were able to render aid sometimes they were fatally struck from the initial incidents that we got the alert to, again, unapologetic about the use of this and how it helps. But when we talk about our infrastructure once our officers respond, we then come out and we're looking for ballistic evidence to find if there are casings that may be associated nine times out of 10 this is their first time firing a firearm. So has it been used as someone just poured location for target practice? Or are they practicing for something else we don't know. But some of the the very casings that we retrieved once we get the ShotSpotter alert, then put in the Niven system where we can link this ballistic evidence to others that are using firearms if it has been used in another violent crime. Again, I'm sorry that other cities don't aren't doing the way we're doing it. Perhaps they took a page out of our book, and certainly the plan that Chief White has in place, they will be realizing the same numbers that we've had as it relates to crime reduction. In the city and violent crime specifically, gun related crimes. ShotSpotter alerts were connected to 144 homicides and non fatal shootings and our record management system and again 56 did not have corresponding 911 calls. So 56 times the loss was life. Life was last and not once there was no 911 calls had it not been for ShotSpotter perhaps a child walking on their way to school with someone could have found someone that was fatally wounded by a firearm or family member coming home or on their driveway or seeing someone but we were able to get there based on this technology because there were no 911 calls ShotSpotter alerts from 2023 were connected to 693 firearm recoveries and 403 risks. This technology again we have epically obtained it we are aware that there was a breach from the actual provider who we have the contract with and we will certainly be having a conversation with them to ensure that their security protocols are in place is that is certainly not acceptable. But the areas that we have described from its initial implementation as well as this expansion, we were very transparent about the areas and we said this is the areas that would be covered, quite frankly, the position as to where they're exactly where they could have been targets and we're not apologetic about where they're where they're posted or where their position but if someone who doesn't want this, or wants this technology taken down because we're coming around to find them and find their firearms that could use it as target practice. So those are the things that we're mindful of when we use this technology, but we certainly have found extreme value in how we combat gun crime in this city. And we will continue to utilize this responsibly, ethically and constitutionally to make our city safe. Mr. Chair, thank you for the time and allowing me to present to you this morning. I'm sorry this afternoon, sir.
Thank you. Let the record reflect that Commissioner attemp Tamra Liberty Smith has joined us and now we have opportunity for any questions or comments regarding the Chiefs report. Commissioner gamble.
Thank you, Deputy Chief Hayes, just for the public's clarify. clarification on the ShotSpotter that detects gunshots outdoors and indoors it makes me also makes the distinction
through the chair. The technology picks up on the percussion, noise of a firearm outdoors it does not pick up on gunfire that is occurring indoors as well as I know there have been some concerns that we dispelled in the community and our first iteration as well as the expansion that this cannot pick up someone's conversation. And this is not listening for that it is only activated when again the percussion of an alert of a firearm there are times where perhaps during our summer months where fireworks are firecrackers that are similar may alert us and then once our officers go out to the scene and make that investigation and find out that it's not gunfire, it's fireworks. Then at that point we will obviously we don't have a crime or victim they're committed but that is what it picks up a commissioner gamble.
Is there. Is there any discussions about the further development of the technology that would have the capability to do that?
Through the through the chair and there have not been consistent with the CX ordinance that council president Sheffield has helped put in place and any technology that we acquire there are only certain ways that we can use it. We are unaware and not sure it I certainly don't speak in this case for the chief but mindful of civil liberties and intrusion that is something that Chief White is hypersensitive. sensitive to and broaching that or acquiring something of that technology has not been consistent with the direction that he has given as it relates to how we serve this community. And again, to even be able to utilize that that would require city council approval of which we are definitely not seeking and again not aware of any of those capabilities, sir. Thank you, Deputy
Commissioner Moore.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. So you mentioned the first question that I had Deputy Chief as it relates to the locations being known. Is the Department concerned about any type of vandalism to the equipment through
the chair? We're worried about any vandalism of any equipment that we own? Because it's the people's equipment? It's that they have, whether it's a car, whether it's the ShotSpotter sensors that that we have, whatever it may be, we're certainly concerned but we won't let the fear of others possibly willing to vandalize this stop us from what we're doing and making this community safe so we will monitor and we're gonna put the onus on ShotSpotter as
a such an expensive, absolutely high profile issue. My second question deals with another part of technology. Years ago when there was a Homicide. Homicide will go out and roundup everyone they call it a dragnets. Now the concern in the community from some folks is that these dragnets are being are taking place electronically through cell phones. Is there any rumor today or anything you can say about that?
Through the Chair as it relates to cell phone use there or technology when we acquire that and without going too far into detail that requires a warrant from the court. So anytime we look to use digital evidence as it relates to the crime investigation, it is done through a warrant. And again, we can if you'd like there can be further conversation as to how that process exactly works. But again, in full transparency, there are times where we certainly leverage technology and through a court order, as we look to see to identify who's possibly responsible for committing a crime.
And lastly, can the board have a copy of your facial recognition or facial recognition or ShotSpotter statistics
through the chair Absolutely. You will be having you will have the urine reports by close of business tomorrow. The data that I just presented and then the monthly report will be coming by next week in its normal cadence sir.
Thank you. Any further questions? Commissioner woods.
Thank you Deputy Chief ace and thank you for laying that out and since think matter for the citizens of the city of Detroit and I'm I was sitting with a several homicide victims yesterday here you know talking to somebody who has a homicide to be able to get some clarification, get some questions asked and and some conference but see that type of tech not the technology being used to be able to help those who have been victimized in our city I think is vitally important. And thank you for laying it out and succinct manner for the citizens of the city. of Detroit at this particular point. The technology right now, there's been used in a robust manner to be able to help not only to you know, deter anything but is is leading you straight to people who have been victimized and some of these people are they remain alive when you get there right
through the Chair. Yes, there are times where we had it not been for this ShotSpotter alert or because of this ShotSpotter alert. We truly were the first responder without call and we were able to save lives and immediately aid the injured before medics arrived. And again people are alive today as a result of the ShotSpotter being the alert for services because there was no 911 call.
Thank you very kindly. Yes sir.
Commissioner banks.
Cheer. Blessings to you and your household Deputy Chief. I want to say good job you went and all the commanders from the precinct and chief white for crime going down and a lot of areas throughout the city. We talked about city wide. The officers have been very productive throughout the whole city wide and that's beautiful. We're not talking about a district we talk about city wide so as as a as a team. They're getting it done. Because they've taken it down throughout the city. They've taken crime down throughout the city so they get it done. That's a team and number two, I got one more. Deputy Chief. You got to Amazon land this week. I saw Detroit Police Department has officer been on the force for 56 years. That's a long time. I don't know what's name. But you know, the Lord really had his hands on that officer to remain on DPD for 56 years. That's a blessing. I don't know his name. But God bless that brother. Okay. I want you to if you can get a message back to him DC you know we've we've talked a lot you know, me and you we talk a lot on phone. Well, I ain't gonna get into but if you can get that message to him. Let's just so the lower truly got his hands on him well,
but through the chair. Certainly thank you as chief why to set the tone and right hard work of everyone in this agency to make our city safe. It is a commitment. And as the chief often says, we're going to make this city safe and buy in is non negotiable. Right? Certainly all committed to that. Commissioner. Usually I would say yes. to anything that you've asked but on this one, I would say if you could I can facilitate that, that if you can do it yourself. I would love to bring Corporal Tillman Blair, who has an impeccable legacy on this job that spanned five decades. If it is this board's pleasure. I will summons him before this board at the next meeting. Wonderful that you can address him and certainly the kind words and encouragement that you have for him will make them available for you to do just that.
Wonderful. Hope everybody is in agreement with it. I am I can't speak for everybody though, but I am.
Thank you, Commissioner woods.
It was the incident that happened now the day when the carjacking occurred. I saw a very visible picture of the alleged suspect there. Was that a green light location through
the chair that was not that was the CCTV of the business owner there.
Okay, so that in a captured that image through the chair, yes, sir. Okay, thank you. Yes, sir. Good to hear.
Yes. Commissioner bird. I
have a few questions that I want to hit. Chief when it comes to the let me Euro that was killed by a tragic situation. What was the police response time and how many 911 calls to the department received that day?
Through the Chair I do not have that information. If you have I can send out and get it provided for you by the conclusion of this meeting.
And for the other situation, the other students and and I think you mentioned February 26, I believe. What was the police response time in that situation? How many police cars made through the
chair? I don't have that information available that granular but if I can step away, I can provide that for you by the close of this meeting,
your commission burden and so if you have a list of those, it might be helpful to provide that so the each of those can be provided for you by the end of this meeting.
Point of information Mr. Chair, the chief has referenced those two situations so I'm so many that he may he may have had more information like police response times 911 calls that was made. In addition, Chief you mentioned that we have fewer homicides since 1967. How come? How come Detroit is have How come a city like Dallas has double the population of Detroit but fewer homicides. And each trade
through the chair. I can't speak to Dallas, I can speak that. What we're doing here in the city, and I must say that we're not doing it alone. The reductions that we've had, in the successes that we've had, it's by and large, in part our greatest tool that we have in the tool belt as chief white often says as the community and our community partners are being responsive to the needs and the concerns that they have and push us to find better ways to serve them whether it be to address this indiscriminate gunfire that ShotSpotter is used for whether it be to find less lethal options when we encountered those with a mental health crisis, such as bolo wrap, such as, again, how we dress the training for our officers. We are constantly working with this community to be better. So what they're specifically doing in Dallas. I can't speak to that Commissioner,
you know, Chief, you know it's alarming when you see that a city has doubled a population with fewer homicides in the city of Detroit. You know, you know, in our our residence in Detroit, wondering you know what's, you know what's really going on here, but also chief you know, the department provides his antidote to you data when it comes to like ShotSpotter. We still don't know the total alerts. We don't know the total arrests or convictions of or even those that need medical assistance. We don't even know about how many false leads that the department goes on every single day one Assad is it you know, gunshot goes off. We don't even know the number of lawsuits and what goes on tally up to Why are you all providing anecdotal data?
Mr. Chair through the chair, several of the metrics that Commissioner burden indicated reported out on if it is your pleasure, I can repeat them to share it with the commissioner as relates to total detection that we've had, as well as incidents total. Again, how many calls that we've had where there were ShotSpotter alerts where there were no 911 calls. I can go over that information or
you want to provide any sufficient in the in your promise to have that information to us by the end of business tomorrow. I believe it was would also be sufficient, excuse me, Commissioner burden. But once you provide that document, I think there are some questions that he's asking, relative to false runs and things of that nature that he might want some further clarification or that you might also be able to provide once he sees the aggregate data that you provide for us today, go right ahead.
We can no longer tap dance with words when citizens lives are at stake. Every single day. The police department is involved in our community, civil liberties. You know, voices are being shut down. You know, we talking about constitutional rights, freedom of speech, you got microphone sensors, and Americans Black is in poor city like Detroit, this techno racism, just you know, you know, it's unacceptable. You know, when you got microphones, sensors and black and brown communities, the subject of pick up conversations from the street level in Rochester, New York, adjust say, and the Sivan Simmons case that the technology is not reliable. So why are Detroit is using this techno racism that we call today is ShotSpotter. Through
the Chair, I would just, and in closing that this technology has been an integral part in the reduction of gun violence that we've had in the city, both from a response standpoint where we're able to get our officers in the right places when we're finding these incident to immediately render aid get a jumpstart on the investigation but also to put those that are trigger pullers in our community as, as we talk about the Black and Brown cities city that we're in. They should also be our community. And we've heard that that's why we're here that they're tired of the gunfire and just sounding like fireworks and it's not it throughout this, again, the numbers that we shared with you. Our community deserves to not walk out and hear gunfire and have to duck down in their name and run inside if they're out in their backyard or duck down if they're in their living room. Because of gunfire and those that are shooting using our city as a gun range. And we will continue again be unapologetic about this responsible, constitutional way to use this technology to make our cities city safe. So again, I don't know if Rochester has the results that we have. But when you look at major cities and our crime trend, and again, this has been an integral tool. This is what's helping along with the community make our city safe, and we hope to get to a day where gun violence and these issues aren't where they are. But until we get there. This is a tool helping us drive it in the right direction chief
let's look at major cities. How come the Mac Arthur Justice Center in New York? I mean in Chicago, the MacArthur Justice Center in Chicago is saying that this technology is unreliable. How come Michael Williams in Chicago was falsely arrested by ShotSpotter technology server printed sentence for a crime he didn't commit. Whereas costing taxpayers millions of dollars right now litigations and lawsuits
if I may, and then again, lastly, through the chat I want to pick up I can't make an excuse for how Chicago got it wrong. But you mentioned major cities chief and again through the chair I am simply saying that how others use it as you point areas of opportunity where they're got it wrong, because again of the sound policy we haven't well, but you constantly send others tapes.
So speak to the care so we should have standing can be had
to the chair. The chief mentioned how other CD says use it. But other cities have also pulled back from this. Chicago is pulling back from this other cities are pulling back from this. So why are the traders continuing to use this and go down this this path? We haven't had we have not had a field study conducted any trade like other cities. We have not heard from Raph Clark, the CO acting president for ShotSpotter technology we have now heard from him to speak on this technology in the abuse of this technology and why they using this technology in black and brown communities. I'm looking later today Mr. chairs to put a motion that we paused ShotSpotter technology a little later on today. And I hope that our colleagues on his board would do the right thing and support that pause. temporary pause because you know this thing is insane.
Okay. Commissioner Smith.
Thank you. So the shear as I see here, it really angers me being a former outreach worker, a former ceasefire. Worker, community activist, and just someone who extremely cares about my city. We have more than ever a united and engaged city and a community because we care about the structure of our city. Sat stopper has been a extremely important tool that has saved countless lives in my opinion, as I stated previously, and I will state again today. We had in the ninth precinct a woman who was near fatally wounded, who was shot once in her head and twice in her abdomen because of the shot stopper. spotter I'm sorry, because of the ShotSpotter was activated is what deploy the officers to the scene in a timely manner and that woman is alive today. It is extremely effective in our community. Technology is here. The time that we live in is here to stay. And it is extremely effective with our community and the Detroit Police Department. Thank you Mr. Woods
final question.
You have acknowledged Commissioner Woods
is the number speaks for itself. If it's saving lives, you know, the blood of these people would not be on my hand to stop a technology that's helped saving lives. And to I see something that that is picking up people voices and and going into their homes and being the boogey man. You know, then then then I will intervene and be glad to say let's stop it. But this saving lives and people are dying in our community and all these all this technology is being used to reduce help to reduce because I'm appreciative with Deputy Chief Hayes there because it's not only the Detroit Police Department but is forced Detroit organization here in the city of Detroit who have over who is a CVI group have over 70% reduction and their neighborhood because they are working to be able to help. They are the shot stoppers. And then you have friends and family. They over on the east side. They have significant reduction in violence in the neighborhood in the stvr group. And then you have new era Detroit, significant reduction, and then again the People's Action. These organizations are out here rolling up their sleeves, working in the community as a healing balm and our city. And so not only do you have ShotSpotter but you have SOS stoppers and when they invested $10 million into these particular groups and they are getting the job done as the Detroit Police Department is getting the job done. You know, so I'm not going to use verbal gymnastics in this meeting today. And we have a tool that's being used to save lives. Because in this room right now what you don't know You know, there's a family member who family member was murdered, you know, and they came here to be able to get some masters and they need help. And I city me helping those victims whose blood is crying out in the city to be able to get these homicides resolved. You know that? It won't be on my watch. You know, and so thank you again, Deputy Chief face.
Commissioner gamble.
Thank you. Well, the chair. Detroit has suffered for many years under high crime to proliferate proliferation of drugs, illegal hand guns. As a young kid in southwest Detroit growing up, I lost a personal friend to a loose firearm that had been discharged in an alley several times before my friend came across it picked it up and shot himself in the face. Had we had ShotSpotter technology maybe officers could have had been out there and recovered that weapon. Technology to save one life to me is essential, especially in a city with the problem that Detroit has, have suffered and under for decades, is our job as a board here to adopt policy absolutely texts, the civil liberties of our citizens and and puts in play policies to eliminate the proliferation of violation of civil rights or or unjust accusations. We have a lot of citizens that suffer from mis identification simply from either other citizens or officers. But when we got technology that can make a difference. And especially that can save a life. It behooves all of us as Detroiters to look at that technology to research it and develop it in a way where it can be beneficial, increasing the safety of the community. And that's why we're here as a board. So I support this technology and not ashamed to say so, but I also accept the responsibility as a commissioner to make sure it is not used to disadvantage any citizen. Thank you.
Thank you. In our introductions early we failed to mention that we also being joined by former district three police commissioner Reggie Crawford. We wanted to acknowledge him as well. Are there any further questions or comments with the Chief Commissioner burden
to the Chair? I'd like to make a quick statement. I mean, quick question through you through the chief. And then I'd like to make a motion right after that if I may have your permission to go right ahead. So the question to the chief is, Chief, you know, what cities have we shared the city of Detroit shared access to other law enforcement agencies and what are their policy? Like when it comes to the city of Detroit? I'm ShotSpotter policy.
Through the Chair at the policy committee, I believe a month ago I shared the data sharing agreements, and the list of agencies that we share our data with, as to the other areas that you've asked for the other the latter part of your question, I don't have that information in front of me, but I can certainly gather it and provide it back to this body and I just want for clarity like are you asking the policies or the operating procedures of each of the agencies that we have a data sharing agreement with? I'm not quite sure exactly what information I'm providing back, but I'm prepared to do the best I can. I
think he might be saying if we have a data sharing agreement with other law enforcement agencies around the data that ShotSpotter provides what policies does those agencies have in the utilization of that data?
Through the Chair I will get with our analytics team and I will provide that back again. That was I don't have that level of detail that you've just asked her, but I will provide it back to this board post haste and
duty chair I'd like to make a motion at this time. There's still a lot of answers as to why needs to be answered. And so the motion at this time is to temporarily suspend DPD s use of ShotSpotter services, pending a full report from the chief whites office or in data security in lead risks. The full extent of data sharing with other cities and policies governing the use of the trace surveillance data for those cities.
It's their second here no second, there is no motion. i My question and maybe you all want to guard this because there was a breach. But is there any conversation about relocating? The ShotSpotter technology has resulted a breach? Sure.
We I don't know if that level of detail has happened yet with the vendor. But certainly our cybersecurity is paramount and to anyone that we enter a contract with or have a relationship with. So the security of intelligence is where as well as as assets will certainly be discussed. And use this as an opportunity to just double down with anyone else that we have a relationship with to ensure that their cybersecurity is not or minimally susceptible to breach or being compromised.
Okay, thank you. Again, we thank you for your report. And I thank all my colleagues for professionally engaging what is obviously a heated conversation. At this time. We will now move back to public comment for oral communication. And so Miss Underwood who do we have
next will be Miss Butler, former commissioner Reggie Crawford and Miss Sharon Anita Williams.
Good afternoon. Good afternoon, commissioners as I speak in the spirit of Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Dr. Martin Luther King Malcolm X and many others. I speak without fear or favor or affection. I have observed you being called on thinkable names accused of being corrupt and disrespected. We must be a part of contributing and solving concerns in our communities. Yet I have asked several men this question, what are you doing in our in your community? I have not received an answer. Each of us needs to take a look in the mirror and ask what I can do and join those who are working when we work together. We will have less crime and a clean and safe, safer environment which will contribute to both our physical and mental health commissioners. I have listened to people speak by zoom and here I believe some are seeking attention. We have those running for office and others just want to be in the room. There are some I know did not and have not done work when they were given an opportunity to help make a difference. In our communities are seeking power and still doing nothing. Others just looking for a job. Commissioners what's happening to us. We have a loss a lot a lot since Dr. King and others we see and hear about people working to take away the progress we have made and yet have some of us accepting crumbs and helping those this suspect us and do nothing to improve our lives. Commissioners. We have a lot of work to do. Thank you.
Thank you
Mr. Cropper.
Yes, good afternoon board.
Good afternoon. You can take the mic in your hand if that's more convenient.
I heard you I didn't come here to talk about that. But I heard the issue about the stats in terms of 1967 versus the crime of 2023. I'm all I will do but I'm not suffering from math phobia. The math a math thing and the reason I say that is because when you when you analyze the population 1967 and per capita versus the population today of under 700,067. It was a mean and a half we had 45 people killed during the 67 Rebellion. So in a lowering of the crime rate from 1922 I'm sorry, 2020 to 2023. You know, you equate that yes, number two law I give you that. But you know it's kind of insulting to me. And like I said the math is not bad thing and I've said this over the years, but you want to reach back so what we're gonna do go to 57 and 47 population was different. However, the one here has often said civilian oversight is out of sight. You sit here on this board. The report that was released today Detroit OIG report is very damning, very damning. Everyone needs to read that report. Pertaining to the Detroit Police Commission. It's on their website. See in Detroit, it notes some of the commissioners who violated the city charter ballot. They're all or your own bylaws. Commission to bail Commissioner Carter, former commissioner Ferguson could follow and Commissioner hope and Reverend Jim Hawley is very dear for everyone to read. Reading is Fundamental. We just city charter, read your bylaws, change your bylaws if necessary or minimum. Okay, you can't operate under a culture. And let me say this culture, Trump's policy, by laws, the rule of law, all of that when you operate on such a culture, right, thank you. And also that your time, sir, yeah. Come back and address Mr. Woods.
Thank you to the chair. Yes,
he's a former police commissioner, can he get additional minute or two? I mean, this is we need to respect our elected officials that served here on the board.
Thank you. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.
Miss Underwood our next speakers,
she's Miss Williams is on our way. Miss Williams.
Please, all of our community, citizens who are here, do your very best to mitigate your commentary. So again, our meeting might proceed. Thank you, Miss Williams. Go right ahead.
Hello, everyone. And I like to piggyback on the man who just came up here. I used to work for the USS viewer, and he was talking about the numbers and re going down murder rate crime and all that. Like you said, numbers don't lie. So I've been going through this over three years and everything I've been saying concerning the corruption of the state, the city police officers, I cannot speak on the whole department of the Detroit Police Department, but I can speak on police officers. Like I say it's been going on three it's over three years, over 800 days. People in danger in my life. Police officers stalk me through social media, and preying on people less fortunate, like low income people. Cash App DoorDash gift cards. endangering my life. Period. And I'm also concerned when I spoke to you last time she Warfield concerning my car. How is it possible that a transit police pulled me over went to court for I was in his program, but they pulled me over to my car and sold my car you know, I left two messages on your voicemail concerning that issue. I am so disappointed in this system. I come here all the time. I'm not coming here just to come. I'm coming here to get my life back in order and my safety. That's my concern in the people that send on this board. Like I said, not all of you guys, but we can talk about all this legal question that I know about, but I only got two minutes. So I can't elaborate on all the stuff that I know. But like I said, I'm so disappointed in the system. Because you took an oath to uphold and protect and Sir I'm not getting that I live in a shelter because all this illegal corruption I was raped because the oddest illegal corruption and What are y'all doing about it trying to cover up this right I am so disappointed in this shit. Excuse me.
Minister Eric blunt, Miss Angela, Miss Agnes Hitchcock and Sharon Mitchell through the chair. I yield my time to reginal Crawford Thank you
Good afternoon again. Oh. Commissioner our words stand before you I caution you are receiving phone calls from the community of police officers about your appointment to the commission. I knew about you before you became on the commission. I heard good things about what you were doing when you were incarcerated. Also obvious good things that you're doing today. As you sit there Detroit police officer anyone who wants to be a police officer will stay true but you can't be a police officer state trooper if you committed murder. A felony you can't chief knows that and also, someone representing the state troopers know that to the cost caution is Sir, you weren't wrongfully convicted. You weren't innocent. And you? You weren't your sentence was committed. By our Governor Snyder, Republican Governor Snyder. So the streets are talking. So I just caution you as to what you're saying to people in the public and how you presenting yourself. That's all. And one other little point here too, in terms of your civilian oversight, you're supposed to be independent. Nobody on this board should be a Senator Tim Scott, for Mayor Duggan or chief white. Thank you. Excuse
Commissioner bank suited here.
I just want to
excuse me, excuse me. I'm gonna ask that you all maintain your decorum. And mother Smith. You know, I love you. So can you help me please? Thank you. Commissioner banks.
I just want to say something right quick. I want to feed off of Commissioner Reggie. The OIG report came out today we get two commissioners on this board that's maintain is that committed misconduct
commission makes sense. Maintain this time for public comment and you can make that remark during new business okay, okay. Go right ahead.
Oh, Mr. Chair, action going on. Don't don't Oh, come on
was our next public commenter
already but he's not done yet. The chair. Well,
you are excellent. Ma'am. Go right ahead. Yes, sir.
I'm actually
I just want to document this. I don't believe you can do anything about it. I don't believe you want to do anything about it. A city of Detroit contractor sewer working in the sewer. Called me and old black bit.
Language police that's
a quote tele dictionary
you know it I'm gonna be at in two years.
Black, wonderful.
I wouldn't be anything else. Not a bitch part is debate. I
just want to remind you there are children who are present and children who are watching so I recognize that you want to be accurate in your quote, but I think there are ways to do that while being respectful.
To the chair for point of information that word is quoted in the Webster dictionary I
understand that Commissioner Verdun. Thank you.
Now, now comes the police. The contractors and I were having an exchange back in the alley. They were working on the sewer in our exchange, that's what he called me then he said, You just assault me I'm calling the police. In two minutes. The police were in backup my house after he called me an old black bitch. Now, authorities black or white always assume if if an uppity black person and a white person has a dispute. The black person is automatically wrong. That's white privilege. I demand a public apology from all parties. handicapper comm. But accommodations do not spitefully barricade my garage and financially compensate me. Obviously the peacock answered the call when he called and said I have assaulted him. He immediately informed me that I was driving in the construction zone and disobey a police officer. Is he set out to give you a handful of tickets. Sort of whispered Thank you. Maybe you don't want to do that. That's your time. She called the supervisors man. It
took him 30 minutes to get where I was sorry. That is your time. I informed him an additional not to do your time ma'am. Thank you.
It's simple as on duty gave her permission use me man. Hey and fill your time. The Ombudsman office that is your time. Excuse me, ma'am. That is you and the neighborhood police officer Marcy respectful to the order of
that is your time. If you're being disrespectful to the other public commenters, that is your time up they would never advise not reserve the right and your time. They received my privilege as your time but please use me ma'am. Excuse me, ma'am. That BlackBerry I'm trying my best and respectful to the right person asking that you would be receptive to me that is your ticket. Help me the chair shields me ma'am. That is yours more. preferred me Commissioner Burton. Thank you. Wait, excuse me, ma'am. I'm not sure they didn't use my No Excuse me, ma'am. That is your time. Thank you so very much.
Next will be Miss Sharon Mitchell. Ronald Foster and Mr. Smith.
Get a Good afternoon, everybody. Good afternoon. Thank you all for being here, everybody. Um, it's only two minutes. I got more than two minutes to stuff but my thing is today, what she was speaking on her back door neighbor. I called the police pulled up. I have machinery on my property. I own six locks. When my house that's a half a block. Some of it is not finished then some of it is I was told by the police to just take it and let them cook their machinery on my property. Do all this damage. The police stood there and watch them and a city worker stood there and watch them. literally physically bend my fist pose. I'm disabled. So money for me is scarce. So for me to finish that off at $40 a pole. That's a lot of money. They sat there and did that and for him on his ShotSpotter he is right. My neighbor shot up a gun at me and my children and the police came and treated me and my kids like criminals. There is a Muslim. My daughter searched my house without a search warrant. I was ShotSpotter and it was wrong. So you don't want to talk about what's right. Let's do a citizens trade. That's right. How about that?
Let's do your job. Let the police start acting like there are parents. Do your job. You get paid to do a job. Come out here and be objective. Do not take sides. That ShotSpotter is wrong. It may save lives. But it could have took mice that day and the same person that shot that gun. Guess what happened? A year later. SWAT team was at their house kicking it in because that whole house hey when he shot up a party and kill innocent people, which I was at my house and I was the wrong person gets a job doing right and for me Sheffield. She needs to be fine.
I do want to take that complaint ma'am that you've made so that we can do our jobs through the chair sure that somebody can get that information from her through the chair wishing a burden real quick
and briefly. This is not the first time we heard we're ShotSpotter when you know you know ShotSpotter you know, when target the wrong person or the wrong home are, you know, you know, you know, we really need to listen to our Detroit residents and our citizens closely and clearly because they are right when the shot is fired. Police come into the community like Storm Troopers and and innocent people often are detained for crime they didn't commit we saw happen in Chicago with Michael Williams, where it cost the taxpayers millions and millions of dollars.
Okay. Commissioner Bernanke. We want to reserve this time for public now right here you'll have other time and agenda to make your remarks our next public commenter.
Good evening,
good evening.
Through the Chair. You read it all y'all we get through it. But first Timothy 112 through 16. And you know, the 15 verses this is a faithful saying and worthy of all assertion that Christ Jesus came into the world to save send us of home. I am Chief. So we all have standards at some point in life and when you accept these things, you know your works. Before Christ as we know what are called Dead work. Once you accept faith and life your works after that is everlasting life. So I apprec appreciate any and everybody that have changed their life, put themselves in a better position to contribute to our community and uplift for our community. And humanity. There is no crime and sin and and I will not hold anybody down or be anybody's burden for what they have overcome or what they may or may not have to deal with, with their higher power. So we all must take on that account and learn to be more loving. Learn to love our neighbors. Secondly, I really appreciate DC Hayes as always on top of things. I like to just say our community has to do better. Technology wouldn't be here if our community spoke up. If our community stand up like they should if the men in our community stand up and protect their children and provide we wouldn't need ShotSpotter shot stoppers or any of those other things. So until men step up in our community step up. We're gonna have these technologies and I'm grateful for it for every life that they may say. I don't necessarily agree with the other side of it, but lives are worth it. And I'm very grateful I got a lot more to say my time is slow, but I will just say I appreciate everything in the direction of everybody's doing to contribute to our community.
Thank you
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
So I want to start off by saying that ShotSpotter does not prevent crime. That's a reactionary measure. Shot stoppers is helping to drive down crime because that's preventative that is community working organizations such as Detroit 300. Forced Detroit, the People's Action, working out I feel like the people of the C Detroit are the ones who are going to be at a drop of crime now not any technology can play. We can have the most advanced technology on AI in the world is not going to change anything unless people stand up and people make the change. When I say that I also want to say before we even think about it we do not want any AI robot dogs and to see betray like Taylor has announced before we even come to that. Also want to I guess give DCA is a slight apology for following the chain of command even though the second precinct is still wrong. I'll give you an apology. Because you follow the channel. I really I didn't realize the chain of command was but now we understand we can talk about it later, but I'll explain it. Let's see. I will say also instead of putting money into SOS spotter, put more money into neighborhood police officers. Because neighborhood police officers are an actual person you could talk to they actually help prevent crime. If you ask me. They actually are in the community. You're doing good. They're talking to people talking to residents. We expand that program which has had great success that will help ShotSpotter is not necessarily the worst thing in the world, but it's not the best if we rely on technology that's like saying that you can arrest the crime away. You cannot do that it's not going to change anything. I also want to say that the youth board should be more functional. I don't even see any I'm the youngest person in this room. Probably not. I'm not the only person but who come to these meetings regularly. The youth board should be here at every meeting. You should make sure that the youth board is here because at this point there are a token they are just here and namesake only because they don't have any type of any type of anything this this this crowd is always older people and it shouldn't be like that should be a you focus thing because if you want to you want to include them you should include them all the time.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. We're going to go into zoom our next speaker will be Chris Gilmore he'll, after him it'll be Marguerite and after that it will be Victoria.
Right. More Hill
Yes, you can go right ahead.
My name is Tres Delmar Hill, lifelong resident of the city's Second District. Firstly, I'd like to thank Commissioner Burton for his motion today. As we've heard last week, and as was confirmed this week, the DPD has been not only lying about the locations of ShotSpotter technology. They've been sharing irresponsibly sharing this technology with other cities on the basis of a flimsy data sharing agreement and with clearly no knowledge whatsoever of the policies that govern the use of our data of surveillance data of Detroiters in those other cities. That should be a five alarm fire for two reasons. One, because our data surveillance data microphone data from Detroiters is being sent out into the suburbs for with no oversight whatsoever. I don't get to vote on the Ferndale or the Hazel park or the Warren board of police commissioners. I have no way of having any input into how my surveillance data gets used by those other communities. So my surveillance data should not be going to those other communities, especially in a world where our deputy chiefs our chiefs have no idea what's happening to that data. But perhaps more importantly, the reason that data is being sent over is because our microphones in Detroit are sometimes picking up some information, some noise from these other cities. And that's a massive violation of the civil rights of people in every one of those cities. They never made the mistake of letting ShotSpotter into their communities. They never agreed to have their communities surveilled. This is just as bad as if Warren had or Ferndale had set up a microphone, pointed at Detroit just across eight mile and was sending that information to our police department circumventing oversight. I'd like to remind you this is not a police cheerleader board. This is a police oversight board. I think Commissioner burden for making an attempt to do the right thing, and everyone else on this board should be ashamed for the failure at their most basic civil duty.
Thank you.
Thank you
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Miss Victoria.
Hello, can I be heard?
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Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is Victoria from district seven. Just briefly would like to, again bring to the attention of the board. The OIG file number 23 Dash 0005. I envy this the investigation of potential fraud in administrative closure of OCI files. The OIG did publish a report and it is on the city's website as was stated earlier as well. If you ever had an opportunity to read that report, I would encourage you as well as the public to read that report. I would like to remind the board of the full day Commissioner training that I held on May 20 2023 at the Athenaeum Hotel, where all the commissioners were invited for training. We did have some of the commissioners attend. In addition to that each new commissioner that started in 2023, at the beginning at the beginning of 2024 had a structured onboarding as well supported by a binder with documents for reference. So any statements to the contrary, are emphatically false. And, again, just would like to encourage the board and the public to read that report. That was published. Thank you. I yield the rest of my time.
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we have any further public comments,
Mr. Miko Williams after Mr. Mica Williams it'd be Scotty Baldwin Smallman. And the last person will be former Commissioner William Davis.
Thank you. Mr. Williams.
Yes. Hi, commissioners. Good afternoon. I have to learn about this shot. botter. I think we should follow that motion of Commissioner burden is suspended until we get a proper report until we get a proper standing of what the numbers are. I believe this is going to land us into court where the city will be sued and that will put us in the poor house. I also believe that the commissioners who are campaigning for ShotSpotter we wouldn't need you because you're endorsing technological racism. I don't think that you should all be commissioned or if you're going to that shows laziness. The police department is lazy. Why do you need license plate readers? This is lazy policing. It's not actual police work. Okay. Actual police work is having neighborhood police officers having a unit of community members that is fighting crime. ShotSpotter does not fight crime. It is a form of late. I also going to say that we should not have any sensors, microphones and cameras is such if you all should know where to and we have not gotten the CEO of ShotSpotter come down here to council and say anything about this technology. If other states are banning it, and state legislators are making laws against it. Why is Detroit still using it? What result are you gonna prove it's not reducing crime. It's not reducing crime period. And I need you all to Stop disrespecting my commissioner and district by we elected him they're just like everyone else elected you to be in that seat. Thank you for taking my comment.
Thank you Mr. Bowman. Hello.
Yeah, today I'm speaking I'm really against the deployment of the current system that's been called ShotSpotter. And I think one of my concerns in the past when I've talked about this is that the conversations people are having on at street level. They don't want it to be shouting just a conversational level where they expect privacy people shouting, don't expect don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy but speaking quietly, outside, you know, to someone next to you, you don't expect the entire world to be able to hear that. But apparently these microphones are sensitive enough to pick that up. Now I have heard yes, they filter out the sound so that the only thing that gets recorded and sent in as evidence is the Concussive Shot, you know, waveform that corresponds to a gunshot. But in order for that to be received that analysis that filtering, that information is sent someplace, and therefore it is being transmitted online, probably even through through the air through airwaves, broadcasting, but even if it's like hard wired, it's going to a network, where the information is available to other people to access if they know how to access it. Now, if one wants to argue the systems are so secure, that no one can access it. Right, that might be a good counter argument to this concern. The article in Wired magazine is proof that this company's security isn't so darn airtight and I might add that even if it was we don't necessarily know that other people inside the company aren't using information in a way for which it wasn't intended. Thank you for your time. Thank you
former Commissioner Davis.
Good afternoon. Can I be heard?
Yes, you can go
right ahead. Okay, I like to start off by saying I think the job should look into Agnes Hitchcock's complaint, because anytime an elderly black woman can be disallowed, use her own garage through her alley without no advance notice being put out by the contractors doing work that they're going to be closing off the alley, and anytime they do not close off the alley to to stop you from going in and out of the alley. That's the problem. Then you have two police officers ultimately come and ticket her because she knows she was disrespected. That's the problem. Hopefully I had somebody talk to her and see about looking into that fat also separately as it relates to Oh IG, fao 23 Dash 005 You know, y'all need all y'all need to be looking at that and all staff need to be looking at that. I've been telling you for some time that bell and curve is corrupt. You know they are doing things and the last. You know four cases do not read and not investigated. That will get this bought but put back under the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice. You know, y'all need to stand up and discuss this allow corrupt actions to continue you know, continuing on this board. Bill and Lisa Carter should not hold any position. On this board. Other than being elected member to the board. They should not be chair vice chair or should not be no committee chair or vice chair. Y'all need to straighten this out before the Justice Department come in here and do this work for you. I know some of y'all follow up on this bill, but you need to stand up and be independent of corruption. Thank you.
Thank you. And now we thank everyone for their public comment to the chair. Yes, Commissioner burden real
briefly. I have to I have to get ready and get out of here shortly. But I want to just say to the Detroit Police Department to the chief, I really urge you all to look into Agnes Hitchcock's situation. She's a she's a pillar to our community. She's a community activist. She has a lot of concerns. She raised them here today in public. She's a resident in district five which is my district and and she brought documentations or whatever she had out of the letter to each board member here today. And she expressed her concerns at the podium. I do have to get ready. We can get out of here shortly. Mr. cherrick I do have to attend to two district five residents and another matter, but I will stick around for a short brief moment.
Okay. Thank you. It should be noted and it says my oversight and so I apologize to my colleagues for that. On the agenda that was sent to me. There was a presentation of is scheduled today by the Detroit Police Victims Assistance Program. And so I'm asking if there's no objection that we provide them 10 minutes to make their presentation today. Is there any objection? All right, thank you at this time, we'll invite the police victims assistance to make their presentation. afternoon Good afternoon
for DC Hayes and other esteemed guests. Um, thank you for the opportunity. For giving me some time to present an overview of the Detroit Police Victim Assistance Program. My name is Felicia Jenkins and I'm the head social worker for Detroit police. I had a PowerPoint do we get the PowerPoint? We have?
Yes, we have. The commissioners. You all have it in your binders. And I'm sure it'll be pulled up on the screens shortly for our viewing audience. You can go right ahead.
So Detroit police victim assistance we're located at 4707 St. Antoine sweet M 1671
moment. That's right after tab four in your
binders right here. Okay.
Detroit, Michigan for a 201 our crisis line and main line number is 313-833-1660. We're centrally located in the Detroit Medical Center. It is conducive for us to be in that space because we respond to pagers and calls from Detroit receiving Harper and Hutto hospital is also it also makes it easier for our clients to get to our location because it is centrally located both for east and west side crime victims. Hopefully in the next month or so, hopefully, we will be moving to a bigger suite in the same building. We have been working on this location for a very, very very long time. And I'm hopeful that we finally are approaching the finish line. It would be so important for us to get this larger space because we can hire more staff and we can house them there to provide the supportive services that we have. And it also is important for the well being of our already existing staff. I know that it may sound like a small thing, but it's a big thing to us. There is a window in every office in this suite. And so we can connect to the outside world in the space that we're at now. We are crammed we are all on top of each other. And just to have that space would really mean a lot to us. So we have been working diligently with the department. The mission statement of well the history. We have been in existence since 1975. We are the first rape counseling center to be working under the Detroit Police Department in this country. Most states have a Victims Assistance Program, but we are connected to the police department GPD so it makes it better for our clients that we are working closely with those cases with officers and also we act as a liaison between the officers and the crime victims. So we are the counseling unit within Detroit police, if you will. We are fully committed to the help and healing of our crime victims. We have a personnel that cares about our clients and our crime victims. Always say that people read your energy. And for the most part, we make connection with our victims over the telephone. And I always say to my staff, they can even people can even reach her energy over the telephone so if you are sending out bad energy, the person the crime victim, they can they can take that energy in and then you lose that opportunity to make a report with that client. So you know, I can honestly say we have a staff that is diligent and committed to the health and healing of our crime victims. Our overview, all of our staff, that our social workers are licensed to practice social work in the state of Michigan. We also our master level social workers, all of our victim advocates are accredited through the National Organization of victims assistance. We currently have three social work interns. Our interns, they do about seven months with us, and they are supervised closely by a senior social worker. And all of our students now are from Wayne State University. So each year we get about four interns. And fun fact, I have. I am one of those interns I interned in 2005 and I've been with Detroit police Victim Assistance ever since I was hired in 2006. So it is very important to the community that you know we have these interns and they do come back and and work for us. So that's very important. Our affiliations were affiliated with rain the Coalition to End Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault. Those affiliations provide us with referrals. So anytime someone calls the national hotline for rain, they forward those costs to us and then we provide services for them through our current our crisis line. Our volunteers we have an active list for volunteers. As mentioned earlier, if we get that bigger space, we're able to take on the community as volunteers and bring them into our program. Detroit police Victim Assistance structure, so we work directly with the SVU so that's the domestic violence unit, Sex Crimes Unit and major crimes, the homicide unit. So how we get our work is generated through daily case reports. Those daily case reports are forwarded through the affirmation units. And once we get those police reports, our senior social workers they assign those reports to social workers or other personnel. We follow up with every police report within the SVU under those units. We provide them with safety planning a lethality assessment Alethia a lethality assessment and as is an assessment that gauges the rate of danger that domestic violence or domestic violence victim is in. We also provide PPO referrals. We work with surrounding agencies that that is their specialty, and we're able to forward that information to those agencies from our clients if they need a personal protection order. Sometimes, if you do a personal protection order, that can be daunting. So we want to take away some of that stress and then refer you to specialists that you know will help you navigate through that process as it relates to our secondary victims of homicide the work is generated through a shared smart sheet, we get the next of kin information, follow up with us homicide victims and provide supportive services to them as well. We also have an active homicide support group that meets every other week in our main location at Oh Hutsul hospital. We also do death anniversary calls where we're calling the homicide victims every 90 days throughout the grief process there's a lot that goes on. So once that um victim that secondary a victim of homicide, they um take care of the business side of the loss. Um, everybody goes back to their perspective places not out of malice just out of human just the way that we operate as humans. So that's when we come into play. Give them a reminder call that we're still here for you. We still will provide those services to you. And then a lot of times they are ready to accept those services. So we make sure that we also send them an anniversary card once a year. Right after you know a year of the death of the homicide victim.
Another large piece that goes with the homicide is call the homicide victims is called the crime victim compensation. The Crime Victim Compensation is a reimbursement firm by the state. Our crime victims are eligible but they are only eligible through the sale of the state so they have to complete that crime victims compensation in order to be eligible for services for funeral costs, counseling, loss wages, um, other services so we help them in completing that Crime Victim Compensation application from start to finish. They can make an appointment with us come into our office and we can help them navigate through that process and even send it off because sometimes people you know their stress, it may be some literacy issues, whatever the case may be, you know, we help them navigate navigate through that process. So our current staff levels currently we have 14 personnel so that um, I'll just list off the personnel. Starting with myself as the head social worker. We have one principal social worker, two senior social workers, six social workers, three advocates and one driver. During COVID We took a really hard hit. We lost a lot of personnel to resignation and I think by part, um, that the world finally recognized our profession in helping with the pandemic and mental health and so we were valued more social workers got more benefits, incentives, pay raises. And so we had lengthy conversation with human resources, the department heads, sat down, put our heads together, and we were able to get pay raises. So we were back in the competitive game. And since then, we've hired five new social workers and one sexual assault advocate. So we are located in different locations in our main location which I mentioned old Hutsul hospital. We have precinct social workers. We have precinct social workers in number four, which we have a bilingual Spanish English speaking social worker that helps with that large Hispanic population and number four, we have a social worker at number seven, we have one at number 810 1112. So I'm hoping to feel next I'm number three, they made a request for our social worker and also number nine. Number nine is unique because I really think they need to social workers because of the high crime population. So that is something that I am willing to tackle. One of the gains that we have also that I wanted to mention is that we have a chief of police, who has an educational background and counseling and a knowledge of how important mental health is. So that is an extra feather in our cap if you will.
So just briefly, um, the services that we provide, we provide a crisis line our hours are from 8am until 8:30pm. Our crisis line number is 313-833-1660 and then we respond to the emergency department at Detroit receiving hospital Harper and Hutsul hospital. We have free and confidential counseling both long term and short term court support. If our one of our crime victims had to go to court, we can go and be a support with them. group counseling as I mentioned earlier, we have a homicide support group that meets bi weekly and it is a really um it is a really successful support group. We have a cohesive members of the group and we also have a great facilitator. She was here earlier I was going to introduce her as she had to leave. Also, like I stated we help in completing that crime victim compensation which a lot of our homicide victims they do utilize. We do tailored safety planning for those domestic violence victims Information and Referral community outreach. So if a church or a school, um, requests that we come out and do information or educational outreach, we obliged that sometimes we collaborate with the domestic violence unit and Sex Crimes Unit depending on the request, as I stated, PPO advocacy, and then we have Trent free transportation that would bring that crime victim to and from their appointments. And we have three days out of the week where we have days where our driver will do runs for the domestic violence unit and Sex Crimes Unit to help those victims who don't have any transportation come and do their witness statement. So I just wanted to share brief stats with you. These stats reflect data from 2023. During that time, we were operating under hat more than half level staff levels. So for domestic violence, we in total, the total number of individuals who receive services 11,800 And for our domestic violence victims is 8008. Sexual assault was 482. Secondary victims of homicide was 2034 and other sorts of crimes that had a DV or sexual assault component to it was 1280. We are grant funded our main grant source is called the victims of crime at Grant and they purchase three vehicles for us. We have three 2017 Ford Explorer trucks, and those trucks are operated by mainly by our delivery driver. All of our staff I believe except one we have the operator's permit to operate the municipal view. So our upcoming plans, um, is to have a domestic violence support group. I used to run the domestic violence support group years ago, like I stated cope during COVID we kind of lost our momentum. So we're re pivoting and we're going to be starting our domestic violence support group back is usually held here in this building for safety purposes. So that is forthcoming. Also, moving to that larger space, hiring a PPO advocate. Ideally, I would like to place that PPO advocate in the domestic violence unit. That way if a domestic violence victim comes into the unit to make a witness statement, she will be able to complete her PPO right there in the US and make it more convenient for her. We have just wrapped our interviews for our homicide advocate position that we are going to be filling I just have to send it through so it can be approved through channels. Last thing is I can't even Remo right and
hiring five additional licensed right
hiring five additional licensed counselors, social workers and their will we'll be able to feel those vacancies in the precincts and also our main and all of those positions have already been approved through our budget. So the last page is just giving you guys all of our contact information from me on down to our pager and our main line. So I'm at this time I will take any questions that you may have Thank
you, Commissioner Moore.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And your presentation was Jake, as you mentioned about major crimes and you mentioned sex crimes and homicide. What about armed robbery?
Okay, so our grant is specifically written for domestic violence, sexual assault and secondary victims of homicides. So that is our area of victimization. And
also do you find that victims are already having challenges before they become victims? Homelessness, lack of cell phones, things of that nature? Yes,
sir. Our um, our population quite often comes to us with what we call layers. They don't just come to us for the areas that we serve. They come with a bevy of problems. And because we're Licensed Master social workers, were able to assess and get them the necessary resources that they need.
Any further questions, comments? Commissioner woods.
I like to say thank you guys for what you guys have done in this area of victimization. I see the family has stepped out but there was a family that want to connect with you guys who desperately need that connectivity. You know, so I don't know if they're in the hallway or not. But when this meeting is over, I'll make sure we make that connection. with you guys.
I have some extra folders with our trifles in it. It has my card in it and it also has the homicide support group flyer in it. So I can leave those here. If you wanted to pass them on to those families. You're more than welcome. Absolutely. And
we have this folder Okay. Thank you.
Any further questions or comments? I thank you so very much for your patience and for your thorough report. All right, now we will move on to the incoming communications. So Chief Investigator you can read those on behalf of Mr. Brown.
I'm sorry, my eyes are UK adjusting. DP. There are two of them under item number 12 DPD appointment to the rank of captain you have those in your binders. Also there is a memo regarding DPD promotions to the rank of Lieutenant sergeant and detectives. Those are also in your binder, Mr. Chair,
okay. And then as has been requested, you know that information is being worked through with our staff. But those won't come before us until the end of the month to provide us some time to do our due diligence, as has been a constant theme or with promotions as of late. All right with that we have already taken clear but announcements and so now we might go to new business. And so I'll acknowledge that you Commissioner banks as I know that you desire to say something earlier during public comment.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that. You know, I'm not going to make no motion today. Okay, I just Oh, you are? Okay, good. I'm not gonna make no motion today. I just want to expose the situation. The OIG report came out today. We get two commissioners on his board who committed misconduct and willful, willful neglect of duty. This is the second time this year well, this came out and we didn't do nothing. We didn't take no disciplinary action or anything. We don't need justice systems, justice organizations looking at us, and we not taking a wax. So I just want to put this out here. To the board. That that's misconduct and willful neglect the duty that these two commissioners committed. The watchI report came out today. I'm not making this up. A whacky report came out today. We need to take this serious
man just for point of clarification, this is the only one that has come this year. The other one you were referring to was from 2019 Although it was brought up again this year. The document from the I think it was the auditor general's that you are providing for us again that document for 2019 but this Elijah report is from this year I just want to clarify that he Commissioner more
or less, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to remove Willie Bell as vice chair of the Detroit board of police commissioners effectively meto
Second. It's been private moving Second. It's been properly moved and seconded. Is there any discussion? Hearing no discussion, all those in favor of removing Vice Chair Willie bill from the position of Vice Chair immediately please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. Yeah, it's habit that motion passes. And so now there's a current vacancy in the vice chair position for the board.
And Mr. Chair, I'll axe the board for us to put that on next week's agenda for us to have elections.
Okay, we will so then schedule elections for Vice Chair for next week's meeting. Is there any further new business
I would like to stay plainly on the record. You know, there's a lot of, you know, talk and hoopla today about this. Know this technology thing and I'm not saying who plowed from the community to have a right to feel the way you want to feel but you know, when you have commissioners going on television, and pontificating and, you know, given scathing reports without being accurate. I think that is very, very problematic to try to bring fear into people in the city of Detroit as if they're trying to that someone is trying to take away their civil liberties. You know, I think that is very, very alarming. You know, and we as a commission, need to be focused on making sure that we protect this protecting the citizens of the city of Detroit. Foremost, you know, because the fact of the matter is, is that you know, the technology does not go into people's homes and all of that type of stuff. You know, and I'm just alarmed by Harlow, a lot of stuff got manipulated today, you know, starting from folks being on television last night, and this morning, I'm not here to be a reality star. You know, I'm here to protect US citizens and we are here to protect the citizens of the city of Detroit. And I think that we need to be very, very focused about making sure that people's civil liberties are protected 1,000% but also that our that we create a safer city for the citizens of the city of Detroit.
Thank you. Is there any further new beer
right here? No, no, okay. Not new beers. I got a question. Go right ahead. Is okay. Now, you know, what I want to say is, is that you know, not speaking up. But I want to say ShotSpotter do have some flaws, some flaws, some qualities, some flaws, here are some flaws in ShotSpotter. Now, it has been some wrong convictions and things it's not 100% accurate. I got to stand on that. It's not 100% accurate. No, no, no. Just like what's the other one? Now the technology facial recognition. It has convicted people here in Miskin for wrongdoing. So the technology does have some flaws, but it has some accuracy too. So he have a right to make his comment. And he the comment has McAfee to it too. Because it's not 100% accurate.
And Commissioner woods I would like to see where shots spotter convicted anyone even got someone wrongfully arrested. You know, um, you know, I haven't thought the same that here in the city of Detroit and the type of policy and we you know, we set policy and we we, who we should be recognize, as policy makers to protect citizens from that type of thing, you know, and so, if I see that shot, spotter and I'm sure if any of us see that ShotSpotter is being utilized and it's being abused in this city or is not effective, and it's not working. I think that all of us will be running to get rid of it. But what I'm saying to you is is that you know, it was the slide show the day, you know, it was an absolute slide show, you know, and all of this stuff is manipulated, you know, you can get I can foot this room up with a ton of people, you know, to speak on the issue, you know, but we're not here to wrap a Ross but we here to protect the citizens of the city of Detroit. And that's what we need to be reminded of
duty to here I got one more quick thing to say. I never seen ShotSpotter has convicted wrong people wrong here in the city. ShotSpotter is all over the world. They have ShotSpotter Oh, I see it facial recognition has convicted three people easy for in crimes they didn't even commit.
Yeah, and I think it was important clarification because it can be difficult to conflate the technologies. And again, we just want to be very responsible in what we communicate to our community so that we're all operating based off of what is factual. So I do appreciate that clarification. All right. With that I think we have expended the business of this meeting today. We're gonna see DC haste. Quickly,
just extremely quickly, just as a commitment to this board. I will get you those answers by close of business. Although I see Commissioner Burton left as it relates to the 11 year old that was shot he asked for response time call came in at 412 unit was on the scene at four minutes. 419. So we had a seven minute and 38 second response time and to the fatal shooting that happened all Concord. The call came in at 1358. officers arrived at 1402 We had a four minute and 37 second response time to both of those fatal
incidents. I thank you for your responsiveness to my colleagues requests. Now the chair and contains a motion for German. Is there a second? Second? Second, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. All those opposed, no. The eyes have it. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you so very much for your participation today.