Thanks for that. Great question. So I came to this work really through policy. And in the policy world, we're thinking about impact, right. So we're not necessarily thinking about technical infrastructure, or, or HR, but one of the things that I found throughout my career, both in industry and in research is that the two are linked. So there is a problem of technologies which are inherently racist, or sexist, or ablest, as heaven, so beautifully pointed out. But there is another part, which have haven't really spoke to as well is an imaginary for technologies that could actually serve all people. And if the if the scientists who are creating those technologies don't have experience outside of their own experiences, or we're sitting in a moment where Google AI has got rid of Michel, Michel and gebru, both of whom were technologists, from researchers from minoritized, communities who are thinking about new and different ways that tools could be designed, then you may not see them coming to products, I'd say that the two are definitely married. And I'm really looking forward to the rest of this conversation to kind of get much more deeper into that.