Yeah, I mean, I came out at a really unique time in history. So I graduated in 2009. And it was the middle of the great crash. So Wall Street was in shambles. For the most part, many of my peers wanted to without opportunities or had jobs rescinded. You know, I had also had jobs rescinded as well. So I found this opportunity was very happy for it. But what I have learned quite rapidly is this job was in programmatic trading. And so programmatic trading essentially works by very rapidly moving money around and taking arbitrage opportunities. And so finding opportunities to make really small amounts of money, and then doing it at such a high scale that you make a lot of money. And, to me, while it's interesting, from a technical perspective, right, there's a lot of code that goes into that, there's a lot of thinking, there's a lot of market strategy, and all sorts of different elements of sort of how that business comes together, I didn't really feel like I personally was able to create anything, and I didn't really feel like I personally was able to engage with other people such that I could deliver them value, right, like I was operating outside of the, the realm of like, here's something that I've created, or something that mean a group of people have created that will deliver value to other human. And that's really where I like to say, it's definitely, you know, something that I learned about myself, like, while there's a lot of opportunities for, you know, lucrative career opportunity out there, I think what my area of interest typically tends to be is in what can I create, and of what I create? How can that deliver value to people. So that was really where I kind of thought to myself, I really need to begin thinking about something different. And during that time, I didn't know how to code. And it was an era where the mobile, you know, hype was at its peak. So mobile apps are getting launched all sorts of really interesting new technologies were coming online, creating new ways for people to connect and engage with each other. And, you know, I was kind of on the sidelines, thinking to myself, like, how can I think about this new medium that we're delivering, you know, all this great information and media on? And how can I create something that might be able to deliver value and so without the ability to code, and I started working with different contractors thinking about different things that I could create. And I always felt like, very often when you have a creative vision, but you don't have the ability to bring it to life yourself, you can feel like you're, you know, trying to perform surgery with like, ski gloves on. And it's very, very challenging, because you have this this thing that you want to bring to the world, and you really can't get it out there in the way that you really feel like it needs to get out there. And so I wound up at that point, just kind of thinking to myself, let's just figure this out, right? There's other people who code Why Why not me. And so I started reverse engineering, different systems, that I had access to different code bases, figuring out kind of the basic building blocks of how they work, the various different systems for login systems for building transactions, ability to deliver content. And basically through reverse engineering the systems I learned how they worked. And once I understood how the system kind of was put together, I started learning the syntax. And I started learning all the different details of how the languages worked as well, I started out with PHP quickly, you know, learn the the obvious next two, which are not really programming languages, but HTML, CSS, and JavaScript for interactivity, and then expanded out from there one to you know, picking up Java, Python, other languages that would help me to perform specific functions. And so that was kind of how I approached it. It was almost like an eye opening, seminal moment for me if I can do this, the first time I, you know, built something. And I said to myself, this is pretty good, I can actually do this. And then the second moment that I feel like was a big eye opening moment was, when I realized that anything that came into my head, I had the technical capacity to execute that came years later, you know, after I had mastered, you know, most of these tools, but those two moments, I think, to me to this day, are probably some of the most important non familial moments of my life.