All right. Good morning everyone. Good morning everyone. Good morning everyone. Good morning. It is a beautiful beautiful day everyone looks beautiful in there pink as we celebrate Breast Care Cancer Awareness Month. And so thank you for all who participated in wearing your different shades of pink. We're going to now call to order our session for today Tuesday October the fourth will now come to order and if the clerk will please call the roll. Vincent
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All right. Thank you Madam Clerk. There being a quorum. We are now in session and we will go straight to our invocation. For this morning and joining us today we have pastor Lawrence Rogers from Second Baptist Church we can just bring him over please.
Hello, greetings.
Greetings. Good morning.
Thank you for the opportunity to join you today. And to lift you all up and and pray
Can you hear me?
Yes, we can hear you.
All right. Wonderful. I'll let us go to God in prayer. Dear God, we come now and we pray a prayer to the Lord, thanking you for the gift of leadership. God we thank you for every council member Dear Lord, we thank you for the leadership of this Council. We thank you for Mary Sheffield. We thank you for every chair person that sits and guys the city and the Lord we pray a prayer. The Lord at this time, a prayer of justice a prayer of equity, a prayer to the Lord of Recompense to our Lord. We pray that you will bless and protect every person associated with this council. We pray that you will bless this meeting that they have today. Their Lord give them the wisdom that they need the wisdom that goes beyond human understanding. We pray, Oh God that your spirit will encapsulate them and power them, motivate them to the Lord as they continue to guide and bless the city and the way for which you see. It should go. Thank you for your service. Their Lord, and continue to touch their hearts with what they need for this moment. We pray all these things in the name of all truth and justice. Amen.
Amen. All right, thank you reverend. We appreciate you and as always stay on if you can, if not, we do understand if you have to drop off this morning. Thank you for the invocation. All right, we are going to move now to the journal the session of September the 20th 22 will be approved and I'm going to now turn over the floor to Councilmember young before I do that, though, if you are attending virtually and would like to make a public comment please raise your hand at this time as we will cut off public comment after the presentation. The floor is yours member. Yeah.
Thank you Madam President.
Today,
it is my honor and privilege to give a Detroit City Council testimonial resolution to marry color president of the Detroit of the Ford Motor Company fund. Innovation breeds innovation. I just want to say before I begin that there's a great quote that says that leadership compels people to do the right thing. And I think that that quote really embodies the spirit of Miss color. Whereas mirror color is the president of the Ford Motor Company fund and oversees the company's philanthropic investments through signature for programs and employee support volunteerism outreach in more than 50 countries and additionally advances the Ford Motor fund strategic priority shaping internal and external engagement in the specific areas of sustainability, innovation, in Smart Mobility, autonomous driving and corporate citizenship. Mary Keller believes it states that innovation breeds innovation. And whereas Americolor oversaw Chicago's industrial development and was tapped to be the director of the Ford Motor Company's global public policy office in Dearborn, when her path at Ford began. at Ford she was the regional manager of the North Central Regions Government Relations Office, where she spearheaded the Ford's operation, better world community and dealer relations. Her success led her to become a director of State and Local Government Affairs. In this role, she managed engagement with policymakers throughout the nation, on Ford's automotive issues as well as negotiated investment and job creation in states with Ford's automotive plants. And whereas Mary color success proved to be an asset to the Ford Motor Company, it became chief of staff to William clay Ford, Jr, Executive Chairman of the Ford Motor Company. Miss colors early work experience included management at the United States Environmental Protection Agency in the national brownfield redevelopment program, which prepared her for the role of Ford's Detroit development director and project manager for the $800 million. Ford investment is strategically important priorities for the creation of jobs and opportunities for Detroit and the region. While Miss color developed the crucial partnership in innovation and technology between Ford and Google, and whereas America's educational background includes a Harvard University's Master's Degree in Public Administration that was preceded by a bachelor's degree in journalism and French from Indiana University at Bloomington. And whereas America has always believed in the importance of volunteer service to the community, and is a member of several civic organization boards, including not limited to the following Business Leaders for Michigan, the Detroit riverfront Conservancy, the Detroit Economic Club, the downtown Detroit partnership, the Detroit Institute of Arts and the Motown museum now, therefore, be it resolved. The Honorable COVID Alexandra young, the second, the Honorable Council Member at Large along with the honorable Council President Mary Sheffield, and President pro tip rate James tape along with the entire honorable Detroit city council members celebrate the Excellence in accomplishments in technology and innovation. They are the result of the lifelong drive and focused vision of Mary color. We applaud your success and thank you for your phenomenal work that serves to provide greater opportunities for the citizen Detroit as president of the Ford Motor fund. I am honored and humbled to present this Detroit City Council testimony a resolution to marry color to him please have a very large round of applause, everybody. Thank you. At this time, I'd like to open up the floor with the permission of the President to my colleagues if they would like to say anything.
Any comments from my colleagues? All right, hearing none, your caller would like to see, so to speak.
Just make sure your microphone is turned on. Just press the bottom of the microphone here. Yep.
There we go. Well, first of all, I didn't like being the center of attention on my wedding day, so I have to be this is a really huge honor. But I want to thank Councilman young and President Sheffield and the members of the city council. More importantly, I just want to thank the Ford team. I think that you know, obviously a proclamation like this is really about the colleagues, my colleagues at Ford and the folks that work in the in the Ford fund who I really think highly of I know we were going to play a video but before we do that, I just wanted to just quickly give you a I know there was a nice summary about me, but it's really about the company and I think that Ford Motor Company has a really unique investment in the city. We've been around for 119 years and over that time. We've obviously had our philanthropic arm investing in the city of Detroit in a lot of different ways that, you know, city councilman Coleman Jung talked about. We're primarily focused on three areas, expanding access to basic needs, opening pathways to high quality jobs through education and training initiatives and providing paths to economic stability through entrepreneurship and business development. What I think is really unique about what we do at Ford and in the Ford fund is we actually develop these programs in partnership with community with community so we never come into a community and say, This is our program. We always try to bring the community and to create those programs and we know that that collective work together is really providing much more impact what I'm really proud of and I hope that someday if you haven't been to visit I know some of you have is our Ford resource and engagement centers. We have two of them. We have one on the south side of southwest side of the city, and then of course, one on the east side. And I just want to actually commend two incredible people Karen Mattia and Justin Kempson, who are the leaders at either those frogs and without their service and their passion and their dedication to community we would not be able to do what we do. But those community centers are a hub and people come there and they not only have opportunities to engage with their families there but there's a lot of services that we provide there and one of the key services we provide is food. And we have a partnership with Gleaners. And I just want to say that for all of us, and I know you know this better than anybody as the economic world and the turn that we're having food is going to continue to be a really important aspect of what we do for for community citizens. And so we're going to be leaning into that more. You know, they're the they're the pillars of the community. So I don't know how many of you visitors but you haven't, I'd love to invite you to come and see them. The other of course, huge testimonial that we have as the board's commitment is Michigan Central. And you know, I have been working on that project ever since we purchased it and I have to say that, you know, it's really our executive chairman Bill Ford, who had the vision to see what that could be for the city and to ensure that what it is is not a Ford campus and it's not about Ford. It's really about creating an open platform for others to come in and solve problems with us. There is no other company in the country that's doing something like this, then we're investing that kind of money in a project that is really open to everybody to come and help us really ensure that community is engaged that we are creating programs that are really beneficial to the community. And one of those programs which I'm really proud about. I know. The President was there for the announcement was we launched our Google program, which is our code next program with Google for youth in Detroit. And they don't have that program anywhere in the Midwest. So it's the first time that it's in the Midwest and it's in Detroit, which is incredibly exciting. And then just if I could make a quick plug we also have an incredible art program at Michigan Central. We just had a wonderful art peer of toward committee select three Detroit artists and organizations and you can actually see the installation of a beautiful art piece that's going in on the three water cisterns currently and so that's going to be incredible. The Book Depository opens next month, which is exciting. And so I think as we look together at what we're creating, we really can't do it alone. And so I really ask for your partnership and you have been partners. I want to thank you for your support of the innovation district that we are creating that Transportation Innovation District is going to be also one of the first in the country and it's really exciting. So I thank you for your support. And just you know, on behalf of the entire 14 I just want to really thank you and just thank you for honoring us. I really like I said it's really more about the colleagues of Ford. When I first joined Ford I thought I'd stay two years and I've been there 20 And it's because of the people and it's because the company is uniquely different. So thank you. We're very honored, very much appreciated.
You Yeah, well, that's what
we do. So we appreciate you miss color and just continue all the great work that you guys are doing. I will be there to support as much as I can all of the amazing initiatives coming from Ford and so appreciate your leadership and I'm glad that member Young has taken the time to honor you. It is well deserved. So we appreciate you for being here. But before we move to pitchers, we do have a video presentation that we will show it this time. And then we talk about our
board resource and engagements because for those of you who haven't visited
Come, come see us their
community comes first it for one of the unique ways we build communities is through resource centers that bring residents, nonprofits and leaders together to support the surrounding neighborhood. The for resource Engagement Center is a place where anybody in the community can come and find resources that range from legal services, free taxes, job placement services, and if they need food assistance, we have that accessible to them as well.
Today is really special. Not only are we distributing food, traditional meals to the families that come to us every week but we're also adding on the backpack program to assist the kids with some school supplies and give the parents a chance to maybe utilize that money elsewhere.
With locations in southwest Detroit on the CDC side and in South Africa, Romania and Thailand. Each of our resource centers has a unique voice. Working with the community. We design services for the community, meeting urgent needs and opening pathways to education and high quality jobs.
Personally, this center in partnering with all the community organizations in the area have been able to just provide our residents with hope.
By designing solutions together. We address any quality, remove barriers and empower people to build a better future.
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Hey everybody, so just wanted to say this really quickly. The paid Rosie's that you have are in honor of councilmember waters battle with overcame me breast cancer like I said before, I don't look good wearing pink. So I thought I would just provide pink rose verbinding instead. So obviously everybody for that so I just thought I'd let everybody know about that. Okay,
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All right. So those who are joining us virtually or we're going to now cut off our public comment. It has been open for quite some time. I would like to bring over really quickly. Amy sovereign to do a quick update on the status of the auditorium. I know there's been a lot of conversation regarding why we have not been able to hold sessions in the auditorium. And I think it's important to hear directly from our IT department as to the work that they have been putting in to ensure that we can operate in the auditorium and so Amy sovereign can be pulled or moved over so that we can get a quick update on where we are with the operations of counsel in the auditorium.
Good morning.
Good morning. If you could just state your name and title please. Absolutely.
My name is Amy sovereign. I'm the Program Management Officer with the Department of innovation and technology.
All right. If you can just give us an update, please. Absolutely.
Thanks President Sheffield. So our department has been working closely with the media services department to work with a vendor to update the AV system within the auditorium a lot of challenges in the beginning due to global supply chain issues. It has just wreaked havoc on anybody's ability to obtain technical equipment. However, we have the majority of the AV solution will be installed the first week in November with testing of the system running into the second week of November. And if that all tests that test out the majority of the solution will be present and workable within the auditorium and the remaining technical equipment that we haven't been able to obtain just yet. We do anticipate getting that in early 2023. And then there will be a subsequent installation to fully complete the full the full solution. So that's our timeframe for right now and I appreciate you again providing us an opportunity to give an update. Alright, so
just to be clear, we're looking at early November for council to be able to host his first meeting if need be in the auditorium.
Correct. The testing is going to go into the second week in November. So realistically probably the third week of November is probably the realistic first large meeting that could be hosted there.
Alright, great. And then just so that the general public understands I know that we oftentimes see the BCA meeting in the auditorium. And that might short and if you can explain the difference between their ability ability to be able to meet in the auditorium and then Council's ability to meet and why we can't and they can
I wonder do we have Chris
Brown on I'm not necessarily a technical person with regard to any AV system,
looking for his name.
Well, I'll just state I know the answer is because City Council has to broadcast our meetings on channel 10. The BCA does not and so they're able to have a zoom function. They're able to have public comment via zoom, but we are mandated to have all of our council session sessions broadcasted on channel 10 And right now that I guess that technical aspect has not been solved yet. And so that is one of the reasons why City Council was not able to conduct official business in the auditorium. And I see someone did join us if you want to add anything or correct me on that particular point. Yep.
Hello, Chris Brown, broadcast engineer for media services. And that's, that's, that's correct. We are not able to get the cameras back to our control room, so that we can get them to broadcast on to channel 10. At the time being that's part of this reconstruction project that's ongoing with do it.
Okay. All right. Thank you. I just wanted the general public to know I know myself as a president is extremely important that everyone has access to the hearings and to council sessions. And so there's nothing that is intentional, for the reason why we're not in the auditorium. It is all technical. And we are working diligently to resolve those issues. So thank you to you both. Thank you to Amber who was here as well, everyone from it. That's working extremely hard to get us operational in the auditorium. All right. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. All right. So now before we move forward, I also would like to briefly mention shot spiders so that the administration can come on and just speak to where we are today. I know it is on the agenda and there is some misunderstanding that counsel was delaying it again, but for my understanding this is coming from the request of DPD to postpone the vote for today. So Miss Gill if you can please just give us an update before we move forward. This morning.
Good morning to this honorable buddy Gil Fortson on behalf of the administration. President you are correct. The administration is requesting to hold ShotSpotter as we are going to find another funding source and we'll be able to provide an update prior to next week's meeting. Thank you.
All right. Thank you is there any questions comments from colleagues on this particular topic before we move
to public comment?
Okay. All right. Thank you.
So the journal of the session of September the 20th 2022 will be approved there being no reconsiderations or unfinished business. We will proceed to the budget Finance and Audit standing committee for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee.
Six reports from various city departments.
Those six reports will be referred to the budget Finance and Audit standing committee from the internal operation standing committee,
five reports from various city departments. The five
I'm sorry, the five reports will be referred to the internal operations standing committee and for the Planning and Economic Development standing committee.
One report from the housing and revitalization department.
The one report will be referred to the Planning and Economic Development standing committee. We will now move to the voting action matters. Under other matters,
there are no items Madam President,
under communications from the mayor and other governmental officials and agencies. There are no items Madam President. All right. We will now call for our public comment. We have about I think 30 cars online and 24 in person and so we will do a minute for public comment.
35 Online Okay. Starting with Bob. Bob, Jeff
Jethro. Jethro. No, I don't have Bob karmic first. So mine I'm sorry. Carrie, is that the correct order? Okay, go right ahead. For Mr. Carmack just press them yet.
There you go. Yeah, my name is Robert Carmike. I've been here before. Like I said before, the mayor of Detroit has broke the law by filing a false criminal charge on me. That is a false arrest this illegal prosecution and so forth. You take oath and city council members to follow the state law to follow city law and the Constitution of the United States. This man has broken the law by false charges just because I caught him cheating on his wife. You can't bring false charges on silly. These two tethers I got on caused me to have cancer. Last four months to begin chemo and radiation from these tablets. They've been on for two and a half years. I haven't gone to court be found guilty. How many black people Mexican people, white people ain't got $10 They're sitting in the county jail. That can you make a phone call to the friends, family and so forth. You know, this is not bullshit. This place being closed. Courtroom closed Department. Thank you. But I don't expect you do nothing.
Yes, President Pro Tem
Miss Kamek Welcome back. Great. To see you again. Have you taken your complaints to any law enforcement agency that can address those issues? I hate for us to continue this. On and on. It's like a cyclical conversation that is never ending. So the question is, I know it's always pushed on counsel to do something. Yeah. But you've gone through multiple law enforcement agencies. You've gone through, I believe the Inspector General's Well, yeah. What are you looking for from this body that enforcement agencies whether you even talk about those who oversee the ones who have the tethers on your ankle, right? We don't oversee those entities. Have you gone to those entities to get any action because just coming back to city council over and over again saying the same thing. I don't know if it's trying to get a headline or what, but coming to city council asking the same thing over and over again, and we telling you that we're not the ones responsible for your tethering, but there are agencies who oversee those who have tethered you have you gone to them?
Okay. Nice. rebuttal that. Please. Let me say this to you. I have gone to the police commission. I have filed a complaint with the police commission on this. I have gone and filed a complaint with city Detroit police smart I haven't gone filed a complaint with the State Police. I've gone and filed a complaint with the FBI because I was a federal witness. I gone to the US attorney and gave him what was being done. All four entities did nothing. You oversee the mayor of Detroit?
No, we don't oversee the mayor. We obey the limitations. You take an oath
and he has to follow laws and bylaws. You have to follow laws and bylaws and he's committed a crime. I want you to bring him to this table. You can subpoena him, have him question right and have him tell you how he came up to the church because he did a press conference?
Yes. You said at
the property that was a direct question. He's the only witness. It's currently there's no witnesses and there's no documentation
about entities that oversee the law enforcement agency that has the tethers on your ankle, and I don't think there was a Detroit police either. What's that? These tellers? Yeah, those aren't Detroit police tellers, you know, so that's why I'm asking the tellers diagnoses to charge the tethers on you and then they will be able to address that concern.
I talked, I talked to the tether
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Amina.
Good morning. My name is Amina Malik and I'm here with We the People Michigan. I'm here to urge you to not expand ShotSpotter ShotSpotter is about profit. It is not about public safety, regardless of where the money is coming from the reality is that it does not work. ShotSpotter is supposed to detect gunshots after being fired. So in theory, assuming it was effective, which it is not. It's supposed to be a response to gun violence, not a prevention of gun violence. I urge you to consider instead investing in preventative solutions that have proven to work community violence intervention programs, gun buyback programs, and common sense gun laws to address gun violence and to invest resources in our communities. You have the research proving why ShotSpotter is harmful and a waste of public dollars. You say that keeping communities is safe is important. To you. You say that mental health is important to you? Well, then I urge you to put your money where your mouth is. Thank you.
Thank you Gabrielle
and morning councilmembers My name is Gabrielle Dresner. I'm with the ACLU of Michigan and I'm also here to urge you to vote no on the expansion of ShotSpotter. I would just like to again highlight the disproportionate use of ShotSpotter in communities of color and the impact that that has on those communities have increased police interactions and a heightened chance for dangerous interactions. I would also like to note that several cities have pulled out of their conference or of their contracts with ShotSpotter. At least five other cities who had contracts have pulled back on those due to its ineffectiveness. So I would just like to close by saying that pulling back on surveillance does not mean pulling back on Detroit or safety. And again, urge you to vote no on this contract.
Right. Thank you so much, Matt.
Good morning, council members. My name is Matt. I live in District Six and we work with Michigan liberation and Detroit will breathe. I am here to ask you to stop funding ShotSpotter and rescind. Your vote from last week. Chicago's own audit of this technology showed that only 10% of alerts led to arrests and more often than not, these arrests were unrelated to suppose gunfire. In fact, only one out of every five ShotSpotter stops in Chicago were actually related to firearm use at all. And large majority of ShotSpotter arrests in Chicago were for drug possession and other lesser crimes with officers reporting making the stops because of quote, recent history of ShotSpotter activity in the area. This technology brings amped up cops into vulnerable neighborhoods and once there they treat everybody they encounter as a deadly threat. Chicago Justice Project says that ShotSpotter is nothing more than a generator of probable cause. And if you renew and expanded in Detroit, you will be doing nothing but further criminalizing communities who need care and resources. It's your job to give them they're counting on you. Thank you
the morning Malik Shelton, first of all, ShotSpotter is not predicated on where the funding is coming from. I don't want us to make this into a red herring. That it's somehow just the support for ShotSpotter is predicated upon whether or not the funding is going to come from the ARPA funds or from some other source. The residents of the city of Detroit have made it very, very crystal clear that they do not want ShotSpotter because it's ineffective and also because it's a slippery slope to surveillance. Extreme surveillance, which puts poor black marginalized community at risk. So, again, this red herring about oh, we'll find some sources other than the ARPA funds, and then that way we can implement or approve the contract for ShotSpotter. That's a red herring.
Thank you, Mr. Shelton. Regina Sharma
Hello, everyone. Regina Sharma. I'm with the Detroit Justice Center and I'm also a resident in district five. I'm also here today to implore you to vote no on ShotSpotter regardless of where those funds come from, whether it's ARPA funding or whether it's funding coming directly out of the DPD budget, we the residents of this community implore you to vote now. I was very active in helping to get Council by districts passed in our community many years ago because I rely on all of you as council members representing our neighborhoods to hear the voice of the community in saying this is not something we want you all have heard the research from many community members reinforcing that over 58 municipalities have had this technology and it has proven to have zero reduction in in harm and crime. What we really need as Detroiters is for you to invest in through community resources in true ways to address root causes of harm. So please, I implore you to vote.
Thank you, Mr. Clark. Y'all, y'all know me. But
of course here to ask you to rescind your vote from last week on the of course preservation of the $1.5 million investment in ShotSpotter. And also to say no, to ShotSpotter. In general, whether it comes from ARPA funds or it comes from general funds, and from DPD. I do think it's important to of course, give you all some specific things you can find. Of course, there's a bevy of community intervention programs that are doing public safety work. There are summer camps and programs that are coming through, of course, like CDOs, like Eastside community network, for example, that you can find, and I also do want to caution you about the danger of not forcing police to account for mental health. I'm sure you've seen the report, there was a 20 year old schizophrenic male who was shot and killed very recently, um, because he had a flare up and police officers were sent to of course, intervene and deal with that situation. I have an older brother who was 29, who has schizophrenia. We've called police officers to come by and deal with those situations before. And so I do know that that's a concern that we always have. And I would just say defense funds didn't go to mental health services coming out of DVDs budget, so I think we can push them as well.
Miss Parker.
Good morning. My name is Nancy Parker, managing attorney at the Detroit Justice Center. I am here again and will continue to be here to urge you to vote no, we do not care where the money comes from. ShotSpotter does not work and it does not keep us safe. Councilmember young, opened up this session by quote a quote that says leaders are supposed to do the right thing. I am asking demanding every single one of you to do the right thing. You sit with a copious amount of data that shows you that this technology does not work. Why are we on our hands and knees, asking you to do the bare minimum? Why would Detroit be any different? You guys have sown fear in the hearts and minds of Detroiters offered an ineffective super expensive tool that does not work and then are now parenting that people want this inadequate singular solution that we have offered. That is asinine. That is nonsensical. You cannot do that. Please invest in the people of Detroit. Do the right thing. Thank you.
Yvonne Everett.
Hi, everyone. My name is Ivana Beretta. I'm a resident of District Six. At last week's councilmember meeting, I mentioned that I'm undocumented. And that for folks like me, technology that sends more police into my community does not make me feel safe. I wish that my concerns for safety were taken seriously. As my colleague come out mentioned there was someone shot by the police department this week, the son of Kiana Wilson and the police were responding to a mental mental health car. And for folks like that. Police did not make them feel safe. And I wish that the council took seriously the murder of our community members the way that y'all take seriously the murder of a cop and how you are use that to justify the expansion in the existence of ShotSpotter. But how come you don't use the imminent threat of police violence, police gun violence in our communities as a deterrent to funding ShotSpotter you all say that people don't call 911 and that's why you need ShotSpotter. But why would we when that puts people at risk. We need you to reconsider the vote from last week. Because you all know that doesn't work.
Okay, go ahead. President Pro Tem.
Yep, thank you, Madam President. I just want to let everyone know that the window for reconsideration for the vote last week has closed. So that is now those contracts have now been confirmed. So I just wanted to make sure we level set so that folks know what the situation is regarding those two contracts. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you. Hi,
I'm Maya. I just wanted to build on my comment from a couple of weeks ago, having lived in Mercer County where ShotSpotter didn't work, and kind of expand on my comments about how it's been shown that non police community violence prevention is more effective at reducing violent crime. And I wanted to kind of build on that by pointing out that ShotSpotter as business model as a for profit company relies on it not working. Like if it works, they go out of business, right. So I think that kind of sets off some red flags about what the incentives are of giving the people's money to for profit corporations that rely on continued gun violence, to make their money essentially. And it and kind of building off of that. I think that even when it comes to funds that are earmarked for police, like some folks were saying with the murder of Mr. Burke's, you know, there are ways even that money that's earmarked for police could be used to invest in non officer mental health response or lots of other things and I think the council could ask the people of Detroit where they would want these funds to go if they if they had their picks to say thank you so much.
Thank you, Mr. Holloway.
Oh, yes. Good morning. You know, I've been down here numerous times. For different reasons. Sometimes it's a reason to spot what they tried to pass we can use that money over in east side for the fumes that we've been inhaling that no one seems to come together on that we're dealing with over there. They find in money to give to certain things when people over there is sick with oxygen and another sickness that they dealing with. And then every time I come down here, I hear the same thing. You guys supposed to be working for us? And it seemed like we got to come down here and repeat ourselves the same thing, the shot, spotter and everything else. We don't want it. We can use that money. To get kids don't have schooling and libraries does not open over there. We smell the fumes over there. They didn't took money from us as a grant to fix up our home to insulate it from these students and no one cared. It seemed like we get the same treatment. And we brought a few guys in, it said that we vote you in voting.
Thank you so much.
We vote again.
Okay, thank you. We appreciate you. Mr. Tim.
Kristen. Thank you.
Yep. Good morning. My name is Tim Christiansen. I'm a member of Michigan liberation resident at district three. I'm here to urge you to not employ ShotSpotter I'm against ShotSpotter as it is an expensive and faulty surveillance technology that can increase police contact that could escalate and violence for both parties and we deserve an investment in community that we can see and feel. We define public safety as housing stability, ample mental health resources and crisis response and investments in neighborhoods. Money would be better spent here. So please, we urge you to not vote on ShotSpotter and you know as we see in today's meeting, we give awards and plaques for community centers and resources. Then we continue to spend our budget on police and I urge the council to put them money where our mouth is Thank you.
Thank you.
meters.
Good morning.
As you all know, I don't agree with nothing about ShotSpotter. I want to give you just a small example. I'm of Michigan liberation. First of all, I'm gonna give you a small example. I was in District Three a few days ago. Bass and food from a young lady who was barbecuing in front of a store. So I was talking She said she's seen me on the news or something. So I was telling her while I was at city council. It was about four or five guys standing there. They said man I know about that program because the guy was shooting over here the other day and the Polish ran down on all of us and started harassing all of us and we have nothing to do with. So now what I'm urging you all to do is think about those children is about to die. Think about those children it's about the death get the brains blew up mothers who's going to be crying because the police haphazardly ran over two shots fired incident and it wasn't none of them involved but they was there and they're about to get shot because they already scared they're gonna run when the police come. Some of my house appeals in their pocket, some of my house something illegal, they're gonna run and get shot to get where they're going to get charged. That they did. Thank you. Ray. Linear. Yes.
Good morning. My name is Ray linear. Are you she her pronouns? I'm with Michigan liberation. I want to build on the comments of my friends. neighbors, colleagues and community. Please do not invest in ShotSpotter folks are terrified period. They're terrified to call for help, because they're afraid that they're going to be criminalized. I sat here last week after fighting tooth and nail for access into this room. And all I heard were scared folks that were my grandmother's age, talking about for 12 years. They had been on a waiting waiting list for repairs so that they could beautify their community so that they could continue to invest in where they were, and that there was no money for that. We need to be talking about real solutions that community members are bringing you every day. Don't say that we haven't given you alternatives. We want mental health. We want that for community for K through 12. We need housing so we can clean up the streets and we need better improved services. That is not the police. The police is not a mental health solution. They are not keeping our people safe. And I would like to have the confidence to call 911 and make sure that someone gets there before 20 minutes.
Thank you. Hello, my carpark would just get liberation. I'm in district one. Mr. Tate is my councilman. I just want to say ShotSpotter. There's not one, no one in our community needs it.
No one wants it. The data is there showing that it's very ineffective. And you guys have the power to change that decision. So that's basically what needs to happen. Here's a few people sitting up there who like Fred, I don't know if you remember he or not. We walked hand in here cavesson I just want to try to back up. What we're we're actually working for you filming. I will we were walking. We're knocking on those doors together together. Well, we were fighting for still fight for it. We're in a position to fight for it now. So fight for it. That's what I have to say.
Thank you so much, Corey. Williams.
I don't know my name is Carrie with Michigan Liberation's. District One. Just being in a mock community shots. That's not gonna work.
That's not gonna work. I live in the city of Detroit district one again.
I don't want to live in Gotham sin. And that's all that's all there's gonna be so like I said, Thank you so much.
Good morning. My name is Brahmas dude, I'm a district five president and an attorney at the ACLU of Michigan. And I'm here to urge you to vote no. on expanding ShotSpotter next week regardless of where the funds come from. There's data not only from jurisdictions around the country, but from from the eighth and ninth precincts in Detroit that show that ShotSpotter is not as effective as the Police Department says it is. And the police department may be able to point to one maybe two success stories. But just think about how many success stories we'd be able to point to if we use that money to fund actual community oriented services and programs success stories about people thriving neighborhoods thriving so I urge you to post vote no. On on expanding ShotSpotter next week. Thank you. Thank you, Ryan art.
Yes, my name is Ray gnarlier Jr. I represent District Four Council and I am here to actually implore you all to vote no one expansion in any sense. I wanted to offer a suggestion that those funds be rerouted in use and direct and direct impact initiatives that offer free tech mass media carpentry or any other myriad of trades and licenses that are among the burgeoning industries in our city. I was here last week and I heard a young lady, an older woman say that? Yeah, we're building recreational centers and knees down the thirds. But what are we putting in the recreational centers, those funds can be used to put actual courses in there that teach kids these traits that will give them a different sense of direction that will give them something other than you know just wanting to be gang gang. You know, it can give them a sense of oh, I want to be a rapper. I may not be a good rapper, but I can learn how to be a producer. I can learn how to run live sound for for a TV show. I can learn how to build a house. These are things that are not offered free to our kids if we offer if we use our general funds and our confiscated funds should do these things for our kids. There will be a change. There will be a crime determined. Thank you.
Reverend Dr. Gary Bennett.
Hello. Thank you leadership. I'm Reverend Dr. Gary Bennett lifetime resident of the city of Detroit except the time I served in the military group booster projects and then got some money and moved to Costa Rica. i What I'm saying is that I've been around here long time maybe three years. The technology shops fire is something that the President yesterday passed a resolution on and that is AI, artificial intelligence and ShotSpotter is on the border of that being misused and it needs to be the servant of the people and friendly for the people. But what he is saying is that there there have been problems and that resolution was passed yesterday. We had different kinds of systems as I grew up as a teenager here. Well, I don't have time to talk about all that. But what I'm saying ShotSpotter is we have to invest in human development, not technological development that is not a servant of the people. Thank you. God bless you.
God bless you as well. Thank you, sir. Minister, Eric Blount.
Yes, I'm Minister Eric Blanc from Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Detroit. You all are the board of directors. And then executive comes to you not once, not twice, but three times for Project unprepared and yet there's no penalty. I suggest you put on a penalty for people who come before you unprepared. The Reverend Dr. Ralph Abernathy said it best. We are sick and tired of our so called leaders. Scratching where they don't itch and laughing when they're not tickle. One point of clarification ShotSpotter can hear conversations. So I don't know who's telling the story. But last week, the chief of police said that it could. But in the June 16 board of police commissioners meeting chief executive
thank you so much. Sheba Rogers greetings counsel Sheba Rogers today representing the Michigan collaborative to end mass incarceration, a statewide nonpartisan collaboration representing nonprofit faith based advocacy, grassroots and service organizations. We have 109 member organizations, we fully oppose the adoption and expansion of law enforcement surveillance technologies, including ShotSpotter, stationary license plate reader cameras, face recognition technologies, domestic drones and more. These technologies expand the control of law enforcement by plundering government resources to create a police state which devalues the voice and expertise of community driven safety solutions that are more
effective. The city
council we ask that you please vote no. We ask that you listen to the people in the available research and stop the expansion of this technology instead we're asking them to invest in community enhancements for our people. District Four. Thank you. Thank you, Sophie.
Good morning Council. My name is Sophie Ordway. I'm with the Detroit Justice Center. I'm also here to urge you to vote no Please vote no on expanding and further funding ShotSpotter regardless of where the funding comes from any money spent on ShotSpotter is a waste. As has already been mentioned ShotSpotter is ineffective. It has not been peer tested and it's not what Detroit residents want and need to keep them safe. It will only further entrench distrust between Detroit residents and the government. Please spend that money on the countless community organizations that have been mentioned that are already actually working to create safety in our communities. Thank you.
Thank you, Diego.
Hi, my name is Diego Vasquez Salgado, and I'm here with the people and as a resident of District Six for over 11 years now. ShotSpotter is an absolute waste of resources. And these resources instead should be used towards other things that the people of Detroit need. Instead of wasting millions of dollars on more over policing. We should spend it on things that will actually help reduce crime and city and better living conditions, such as housing, mental health, minimum wage, increase health care, and more. I know you're all aware of how many Detroiters are against ShotSpotter. So it's time to reflect that vote. By by not expanding by voting on ShotSpotter. And in particular, I'm disappointed in your vote last week, city council member Johnson since we that people endorse you and canvass for you, I personally canvass for you and I feel that down. That's all. Thank you.
All right. We will now move to our virtual public comments. In our if you can just state how many callers we have and then proceed.
Good morning, Madam President. We have right now. 35 hands raised from when you cut off public comment and My first caller is Yvonne Jones.
No to ShotSpotter divest in policing take the 18 million surplus from the police department and the proposed 7 million Arbor funds and invest in mental health, the mental health crisis, drug treatment and the housing crisis. Put the land bank houses into the hands of Detroiters in need of homes. All investments and human needs and suffering is violent interruption. If council needs a plan to reduce crime and violence, establish a task force with the people of Detroit to address these issues and come up with solutions. My name is Vaughn Jones. I'm a lifetime Detroit, a retiree of the city of Detroit and a resident of district five and I am asking this council, particularly Mayor Sheffield to say no to stop. Thank you.
The next caller is does MC mi roundtable.
Hi,
my name is Dez. I'm with the Michigan roundtable for diversity and inclusion. I am joining this call today to ask that city council vote no on the expansion of ShotSpotter regardless of its funding source, Deputy Mayor Madison recently stated we need to do things based on evidence that will really bring relief to our babies. The research is telling us that prevention programs are more effective at reducing crime and police tactics. Investment in addressing root causes. Like education, harm reduction, housing and mental health services are more impactful in helping to reduce crime rates. Research is also showing us that ShotSpotter has not been effective and several communities have ended their contracts including it in Grand Rapids. Detroit's own audit has shown that it only has a 10% success rate. Continuing to build surveillance infrastructure is going to further separate communities and law enforcement and continues to erode community trust because it puts law enforcement in the position of questioning and being suspicious of this community. Thank you.
Thank you.
The next caller is William and Davis.
Good morning. Can I be heard?
Yes you can. Good morning.
Okay. I'm presently Detroit active Retired Employees Association as a former police commissioner. I think that it would behoove the city of Detroit to finally do something to help to say to Detroit retirees in over nine years that some of you have been in office and this mayor we have lost lots of city retirees because our health care was stolen. Our pensions was cut. We had this TROSA annuity clawback on our backs. You know, you could always seem to find money to do stuff for other people. We have 1000s of city charter retirees that live in this city devotedness city, they care about the city, but yet not one penny has been returned to us. Yet. Just looking at the police department, the police officers salary as doubled in nine years. We need to find a way you need to find a way to help the city check retirees and you know if you could find money for any and everything, find some money for us. I'd be glad when the auditorium open so you can see 100 A couple 100 City retirees looking you in the face
the next caller is Mike Shane
Hello, can you hear me?
Yes we can. Good morning.
Good morning. My name is Mike Shane and I am a resident of district one and a member of moratorium now coalition. I want to express my total opposition to the funding of ShotSpotter. I am a senior citizen and share concerns for personal safety expressed by others over the past few months, however, ShotSpotter is not the answer. I am concerned about the aggressive response by police when a gunshot is detected. I am concerned for the safety of young men, especially young black men in the vicinity where the shot was fired and detected. A fear I have is that a cop on the list of the worst 128 currently serving DPD officers may show up in my neighborhood with guns drawn and batons flailing. The money should be directed to mitigating the housing crisis which is growing and severity in each day passes. I pose a question with the safety of a young mother about to be evicted several children be enhanced by ShotSpotter or providing affordable housing. The answer is obvious. Thank you. Thank you.
The next caller is Rochelle Stewart.
Yes, can you hear me?
Yes, we can Good morning.
Okay, my name is Rochelle Stewart, and I'm a member of the Detroit people's platform transit justice team. I'm here to ask you to support the DDOT low income fare program. I believe this program is necessary and urgent to fund and implement because it will provide reduced fares to Bombo individuals, families that rely on bus services as the only means of transportation. The program will reduce fares and passes by 75%. For individuals that expensing homelessness returning citizens formerly incarcerated individuals that need transit access to jobs and services, low income parents and individuals supporting households that have no other access to transportation. And veterans living in Detroit. We need this valley to support the low income care program with funding and guidance on implementation with service organizations providers, bus riders and Dida. Thank you but I want to thank all the council members that has gotten up and rode the deedat buses. And I want to thank Leticia Johnson for getting on writing yesterday with my brother Cunningham. And please, please implement that low income fair. And please don't vote no. Okay.
All right. Thank you
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the next caller is to hear a pad.
Good morning
to everyone. Thank you for taking my comment. Detroit has had a notorious they have been notorious in terms of police abusing black people and a top cop Mayor Mike Duggan is as it's one of them as well. Mr. Duggan, muscled dirt Rocky the medical examiner in the Melis green murder case of the two officers and Bunsen and Nevers. He muscled him to change his determination that malice Green was murdered by these cops beat to death. He wanted them to want it to Rocky to change his determination to cocaine overdose. We've got a top cop right now as mayor who is crooked and we got crooked cops on the pores who can't even testify. We need to look at the history of this city and policing and you pass Thank you.
The next caller is Brenda Hill.
Miss Hill Good morning
All right. Are you can become back to miss Hill please. Okay,
then the next caller is Robert Palacky. Good morning
Council. My name is Robert Pulaski. I represent transportation routers united and nonprofit in Detroit. I'm calling in regards to the ARPA fund presentation today. Now I just want to say thank you to council for the amount of support they've given DDOT over the past few years. For all the pandemic that's been going on the amount of complaints that have been going through but also to get DDOT back up and running again. With the ARPA funds. We have been able to change our fare structure, potentially with the low income fair calling and for support for that, as well as new fleet new routes but also getting more drivers and services on the road. So I want to say thank you to everyone on city council and to all this majority of city council that has got it out on the buses and actually written them for the first time or prior. So I want to say thank you for the amount of support and I look forward to being in touch and let's keep it out on the road. Thank you.
Thank you
the next caller is d to victimize retiree. Hello. Yes. Good morning.
Yes, good morning. First of all, I'd like to speak on the situation with the with the renters with the homeless people. We should have a homeless shelter that strictly housing homeless men. I don't we have that but we should have that we should also have one, you know, dedicated to work for the children. And I don't mean hotel rooms. Nobody wants to stay in a hotel room. That's not you know, that's not adequate residential accommodations. Now, I did looked up something now I moderate, you know, the 30% of this AMI would actually be considered medium income, then you have moderate income. And then you know, so we got to be careful with these words because sometimes these words are being tricked. You know, played around to make you think something different. Low income is medium income. Thank you.
The next caller is Ruth Johnson.
May I be heard?
Good morning.
Good morning, Ruth Johnson Community Development advocates of Detroit. First I would like to urge everyone in the city this council as well as the administration and any other entity to work together to fully fund and fully implement Detroit right to counsel ordinance which went into effect October 1. Secondly, I would like to comment on LPGs ARPA fund report. And I'm just still flabbergasted that only 4.7% of our ARPA funds have been spent and only 22% has been encumbered. Given the great need of people in the community and you've heard it today. You heard it yesterday at public health and safety. I don't understand and I know people tell me just wait. I can't wait because people can't wait with their needs and their the opportunity we have. I also want to ask a question about the NEC certificate for 450 Amsterdam. What is the size of the micro units and studios that are supposedly affordable?
Thank you
next caller is Karen hammer. Good morning. Good morning.
I feel that all the data has told you why you should vote no against spot ShotSpotter. It's a profit making company that doesn't even release data on his professed effectiveness. They have staff that monitor and classify the sound data that comes in even deleting data. Any monies that would have paid for ShotSpotter should go into police training and benefits in their contract. And the technology of ShotSpotter is proven a waste of time for the police sending them in on as many as 80% Dead End deployments. times could have officers could have used in other parts of their job. Crime Prevention is high on all our concerns. All these people who've done public comment, have given you ways to prevent crime. Please act on investing in the community.
Thanks the next caller is Megan Owens. Hello, can you hear me? Yes. Good morning.
Hello. Just a brief comment in regards to the upcoming presentation from the DDOT director about the ARPA funding. As you all know 10s of 1000s of detractors depend on the data bus every day. The DDOT team is working really hard to provide that that much needed service. We are pleased with the plans with the efforts to engage the public and the ridership in deciding how to invest those ARPA funds. And look forward to those being invested very quickly. Concerned about what Miss Johnson said. We need those funds invested very quickly to make sure that riders have the amenities that they need. And DDOT also is going to need additional funding to improve the service and ensure on time ridership that Detroiters can rely on and depend on. Thank you. Alright, thank you.
The next caller is Marvin Johnson.
Good morning, Madam President. You hear me?
Yes we can. Good morning.
Good morning and good morning to the city council board. What I would like to say is that the shots spider I don't think is too much of the police that's doing wrong. I think the police is doing a job chief white. I just feel that once the police arrest these guys, they get the courts. The courts, let them back on the street the prosecutors is not prosecuting and the judges is not. It's given them low bonds and these guys are going directly back out into the streets. So I think the police is doing actually awesome, or what Chief White is doing and let me piggyback from the beginning as in President Sharpe feel the work that you're doing in the city is awesome. So it's not the police. It's not the city council that the problem is the courts and the prosecutors just lead these guys back out and back out on the streets. Thank you.
The next caller is Annie Beaubien
Hi, my name is Annie broadbean and I'm a resident of District Four. And as many people have said, I'm asking you to vote no on ShotSpotter. This is a technology that would increase Detroiters interactions with the police and could lead to increased violence and as we've seen DPD has no qualms about shooting Detroiters that they are supposed to be protecting and increasing the risk for more violence and more murders of people who do not deserve to die in the city and paying $8 million to do so. is ridiculous. As many others have said there are so many preventative programs that we could be investing in. But that is the more difficult option rather than funding technology that we don't have to worry about after the fact. I'm asking you to do what is more difficult and to invest in Detroit, ours and our communities in our futures. Thank you.
Right Thank you.
The next caller is crystal nickel.
Nicole Hello, can you hear me?
Yes we can. Alrighty,
um, I would like to agree without echoing all the details that many folks have said here today that there is a much better use of funds no matter where the funds come from, than investing in ShotSpotter. Somebody pointed out ShotSpotter is not that effective. But what it definitely will open the city up to was lawsuits and guess what that'll do, then citizens will end up paying for lawsuits for things
that a lot of us have already said don't benefit us.
I'm increasing money to to police. Force is like a good police force is like a band aid to a heart attack. Um, our police force which has a lot of issues is worse than that. So um, I would say reallocating funds from them to Prevention's like all the things that folks have listed before me would be a much better use of ARPA funds and their funds. Thank
you. Thank you. The next caller is Brenda Hill.
Hi, can you hear me? Yes, we can.
Yes. And thank you so much for putting me back in line. And I'd like to thank every citizen, every community group and everyone who's come out to speak about the Dan Gilbert $60 million deal and this ShotSpotter it gives me hope that people will come in and be a part of the political system. Um, but I agree we should not have so ShotSpotter is a violation of our civil civil liberties were becoming a police state and it's just not working. We got facial recognition technology, green light, ring cameras, on and on and on to surveil our people what we need are good paying jobs, to fix that crime problem in communities that don't have a high crime rate. Those folks have good paying jobs. And that's what we need. We don't need to be over surveilled. Thank you.
The next caller is s Turner handy.
Good morning, and thank you all so much for being able to speak of those that have spoke against ShotSpotter you do not live in the most violent zip code in the city of Detroit. You are not experiencing the fact that our residents and our children think that gunfire is normal. This is not normal for each gun that's taken off the street over here and we have guns that have been taken off the street. That is a life saved. And every life saved said it's worth a lot more than seven or $8 million. At least my life is and my residents over here in District Four for a 205 is worth more than $7 million. You don't understand that our babies are being shot over here. You don't understand that it is only pinpointing where the gunfire is coming from and net gun may be the gun. This is going to shoot a lot more people. Thank you counsel so much for stepping up and expanding that in this
right thank you.
The next caller is phone number ending in 202. Good morning. Good morning.
This is Frank Hamer district to calling to urge a no vote and ShotSpotter. Research by the John Hopkins Center for gun violence over a 17 year period. Analyzing the impact of ShotSpotter technology on firearms homicides and arrests included and I quote, There is no evidence that ShotSpotter significantly impacted by arms related homicides, or arrest outcomes. Unquote. That the notion that city council is contemplating spending $7 million dollars on a technology that's proven to be ineffective, is absurd. 50 years ago, the city implemented another so called crime fighting plan called stress, which turned out to be a disaster and a stain on our city. That's what you'll have voting for ShotSpotter Please vote no. Thank you. Thank you.
The next caller is Carol Hughes.
Good morning honorable body. May I speak?
Yes. Yes, the floor is yours. Then
I'm calling to encourage you to vote no on 14.1 Contract 6004334 ShotSpotter as the gentleman previous to myself has told you is not effective and it doesn't work. You have a staff that is supposed to research before you vote. If you don't have this research, then we are paying a lot of money for researchers who are not doing their jobs. People should not have to come down here and quote to you data and statistics. I implore you to take the money that we're spending. And you remember the budget when you defunded the junior Cadet Program, which would have allowed young people to be trained to become police officers in our community. I think you should reinstate that program and fund it with this money. I think that is one way to prevent a lot of the violence in the city and open up more centers for children. Thank you
the next caller is phone number ending in 534.
Good morning, may I be heard? Yes, you can. Yeah. Um, I've been sitting here I've been dealing with extreme anxiety. I wish I could put it in a pill and give it to every one of the city council members or staff and that crooked mayor. Bob Carmax life is worth more than $7 million. And this is the most callous city I've lived in in the United States and Mr. Tate you just showed that callousness before I returned, I'm a returning resident folks I've lived in Detroit before I watched my friend die of cancer. I came back my mother died of cancer. It was in California. That's why the Attorney General's and Kamala Harris is obviously would tell lies to the courts about me. And you have pastors that come here every week telling you to care about the people marry shots of you even talk about equity inclusion, but it didn't happen in my neighborhood and my mental health and other people's is in the toilet. Because of that your staff hangs up on me. Ari won't respond to me. Ray Simpson says economy.
Thank you so much. next caller please.
The next caller is Tareekh luthan.
You may proceed. Hello.
Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Yes. Hi there. So there isn't much I need to add on the ineffectiveness of ShotSpotter. That hasn't already been said. But I will say this. There has been a lot of hearsay by DPD, about the people of Detroit wanting increased surveillance when there is no evidence of that. So if we look at today's public comment, if people truly wanted tools like ShotSpotter, you would have had them here in advocacy of it. The only color for it relied on a false equivalence, that one less gun is worth millions, when in reality, it's really a matter of one less gun versus unlimited police presence. But there's also overwhelming evidence of its misuse and AI manipulation, only DPD is really advocating for this to expand the reach and the relevance. And so I want to make it clear. We talked a lot about costs, but the costs of ShotSpotter are not worth the harmful invasiveness it creates and the costs go well beyond the financial even if ShotSpotter was free. That type of racist prejudice surveillance introduces it's not worth the risks for our community. Tech is only as good as the people developing and implementing it. The developers are secretive and not transparent. And the implementers are the only customer but police we shouldn't have to come back here every week, every meeting to make this clear. Thank you.
Thank you next caller please.
The next caller is Rukia. Morning.
It's Ricky Issa resident in District Four. It's great that police surveillance technology won't be purchased with our phones. The reality the reality of it, though, is that it doesn't matter if it's coming from another budget. We still say no. We have brought attention to the lack of accuracy and shot detection numerous times presenting data. Some of this, the Chicago's Office of Inspector General presents a great nonpartisan report on its use and its inaccuracies for example. So I'm once again here asking for his body to think about what it means so far more proactive measures. To create safety rather than a reactionary tactical tool that shows very little success of youth. This is especially important to areas like the 4205 zip code where I was raised and yes, crime is high there but they also like resources pertaining to basic human needs, which is no coincidence to say that alternatives weren't presented. We've been yelling them at you all continuously is disrespectful. It shows the lack of regard. Please continue. Please consider all of the reputable data already presented and vote no on ShotSpotter once it's presented again, thank you.
Thank you. Our next caller please.
The next caller is Miriam
Issa. Hi, my name is Mariam.
Can you hear me? We can.
It's been an honor to hear all the comments today and to speak alongside you all. I'm here to urge council members to rescind your vote to implement ShotSpotter ShotSpotter. And to vote no on expanding it with any future funding source. Residents of Detroit have been seeking against ShotSpotter technology sharing their personal stories and evidence against it. And as have been residents of other cities where it has been implemented. You are council members whose job is to listen to the residents who represent and whose vote should not further harm them. Vote no on ShotSpotter is and all further implementations. of community surveillance.
Thank you. Thank you
next caller please.
The next caller is Renard Minh Schinsky Hi, good morning. Can I be hurt?
Yes you can. Good morning. Good morning.
I'm a District Six resident to the Detroit My name is Renata Saski. I'm also trying to suggest the organizer. I'm calling on to this body to support the low income fare program. This has support also from D that as you'll hear today from the director. I also want to state that department for its public engagement with the AARP process. It was very engaging. People got to vote on different areas of where they want the money to be invested in just imagine if you did that as well. We will probably have a more participatory budgeting process and not have to have people call about Bob Stoddard as far as as far as pot shutter. I'm resolutely opposed to that because years ago, police were selling you all green light and how that was supposed to change everything and make everyone safer. Now years later, they're talking to you about another toy. What's next round. The thing is we don't need police officers that are majority suburbanite. from another city roaming around our city, finding men to suit in pocket. Yeah. All right, thank you.
The next caller is Tiffany Jones district seven
monitoring my name is Tiffany Jones, a resident of district seven and I'm with Detroit Justice Center. City council members I thank you so much for your service to our community. But I urge you to continue servicing us by listening to your constituents and voting no on spot shatter. The funding source for this project does not matter as the tool is ineffective. This tool has been promoted as one that will reduce harm violence when there's no data that supports that it will do either. The two method of reducing violence and harm is by addressing the root cause which leads to circumstances that end in violence at home. This means investing in mental health services housing, transportation, childcare, addressing food deserts, invested in youth programs, and ensuring that all citizens basic needs are met. Also, please work with local grassroots organizations, many of which have spoken today who are working with the community to come up with solutions that will best fit us all. And such that can our grandparents with the fear mongering, like it's really not helping for them to live in fear for the rest of their lives. But councilmember hall I asked you specifically to vote no one's
back. Thank you Thank you.
The next caller is Jacqueline.
Good morning.
I'm from District Four. And I just I have more questions than anything. The first one is that you know, the Detroit Police officers and the citizens the trust between the two. And regarding ShotSpotter and how he works, the signal was sent to a human to determine if it is indeed a gunshot. And if it's not, then I mean, I would think that the citizens who are live around the wherever the damn chat is done with called the police because the police will still have to go to the citizens for their investigation. So my thing My thing is that I need to understand how it works. And where the trust is between the police department and its citizens. Thank you. Okay, thank you
the the next caller is Michael Lamont Cunningham Jr.
Morning Mr. Cunningham. Good morning honorable council president pro tem the council and although the hotline number to live with for three minutes is 3134911 Great 13911319114 That number was made you can remember certain things I have fine I have the power to have more time and I will accelerate into some service which is different. Everybody knows that definition. DDOT is still in bad bad springs, wherever but hopefully things will get better. I'm not sure what happened after this. I'm not sure but I got an email saying 9114 by the City Council.
Thank you Mr. Cunningham. And yes, there will be an ARPA DDOT presentation immediately following public comment this morning. Our next caller please.
The next caller is LG K. 30.
Hello, can you hear me?
Yes. Good morning.
Good morning. My name is Rama session. I already know that you will pass ShotSpotter five to four because too many of you haven't the courage to deny anything Mike Dugan wants. You all should know that until we get to the roots of violent crimes, things will not change. Please use that $7 million dollars to fund organizations that uplift the spirit of the citizens because our crime problem is a spiritual problem. Stop allowing companies like ShotSpotter to profit of the misery of the citizens. We have plenty of grassroot organizations that can be funded, that will help prevent violent crime. And that's what we need to do. And you all know what those groups are. They come down there.
Oh my god. Thank you.
The next caller is Bobby Johnson.
Good morning.
Good morning. One thing I will say is that I hope my Councilman is listening for ADGER Hall of all the constituents that are calling in and the youth in their voice. Say you scare some people into thinking that yes, we got to listen to masa and masa know right? That four to five can be changed a lot. of people better realize of the people who are voting for you. The decisions that you're making, you're supposed to make the decisions of your constituents, not who is coming to you, but who has voted for you. One thing I will say is this ain't a permanent job. Anything that God given, God can taketh away too. So what I would say to some of you, you better consider what you're voting for. And the people who put you in office, because that 327,000 that you pay in them. People don't groups, and ain't enough to keep you in office. Thank you.
The next caller is Miko a Williams.
Yes, hi, may I be her please?
Yes, you can. Good morning.
Yes. Hi. First of all, I just want to say vote no on ShotSpotter. This does not work. We have told you to data. We have also told you that you are investing in technological racism. You are investing in a in a sensor that doesn't even work you need to invest that money in more important things. I also wanted to say that I submitted public comments two to three weeks in a row and they have not been read on the record. You need to clean this city. We need to improve beautification efforts. I am a bike writer and I am literally writing over glass I am writing over trash and debris thrown on our city streets. The General Services not working DPW is not working. We need to get the streets cleaned up. And finally I just wanted to say that shame on the mayor and police chief great for turning our community advocates against each other. We need to love and support one another. Thank you. Thank you
the next caller is Paul Jones
The third. Good morning.
Are you all able to hear me?
Yes we can. Good morning.
Good morning. So good morning counsel. I first want to say it's really disrespectful. Howard time is being wasted right now. You also feel disrespected by this administration. You know that there are enough people on the 11th floor to figure it out proposal for you all to vote on it today. Detroiters work we can't afford to keep taking off work to come to council to explain this policy to you all you all should do our public servants you should be doing your due diligence. We just want to make these points to you. And so with that said, we noticed as far as technology is effective enough. People on my side have said that today but what I'm most concerned about is what comes after ShotSpotter reports a gunshot to the police. Just this past Sunday, a family called the Detroit Police Department to respond to their mentally ill 20 year old wielding a knife and DPT shot him 30 times. This is the response of a historically dangerous department that lacks the competence and care to de escalate situations in our neighborhoods and ShotSpotter will only add to that terror so vote no are satisfied or any expansion with any dollars.
Right Thank you.
The next caller is over with
what I've done now I've been listening to all the comments and paying attention to what everybody was saying about the ShotSpotter but today we need to talk about TNA transparency and accountability here in Detroit. I just heard Robert COMEX appear before the city council. The city council. The city charter grants subpoena power to the city council. The city council has the ability to find out about any information in the city of Detroit and they not using it they haven't used it since 2012. Now, President Pro Tem James tait directly to you. You said something about looking into the matter of Kenisha Coleman, and you gave me a synopsis on what you would want to do I ain't heard nothing about that from you. Or this council. Directors needs to be subpoenaed. And transparency and accountability and deep Tway city needs to mean something
right thank you Mr. Overweight
and the last caller who raised their hand before you put off public comment is Regent Park Marcia Spidey.
Hello,
can you hear me okay, I have to lock up the device
Yes, we can. Good morning.
Good morning.
I am first I have a concern. Um, there was an email that the Regent Park community and many of our constituents and members sent to Councilperson Benson on March 18 2022. At 6:01am requesting specific information related to the proliferation and the proliferation of marijuana dispensaries and related licenses. In this area that email has went unanswered. Additionally, the council really needs to understand what they're being asked when it comes to ShotSpotter ShotSpotter is actually going to be is being used and will be used in an area that is one of the areas that is district three that has a proliferation of marijuana dispensaries and will be later these related other licenses but yet simultaneously, you want ShotSpotter in district three and it's already here. Please make this make sense. Make informed data driven decisions and stop the proliferation of marijuana dispensaries.
Thank you. All right, and we have one more in Person public comment. You can just state your name please.
Hello, my name is Alexandria with Michigan liberation and accountability for Dearborn. Today I'm here to ask council members who are considering investing in ShotSpotter surveillance to vote against it data from the Office of Emergency Management and communications in Chicago found that when investigating ShotSpotter alerts 90% of the time police officers found absolutely nothing related to gunfire. The US maintains the highest incarceration rate of any other country in the world. In the last 40 years the number of people in jails and prisons has increased by 500%. And it's overwhelmingly impacting Black and Hispanic communities. The cure to poverty is not more policing or police technology. Accountability can be cultivated without our lives on technology like ShotSpotter that works as an invasion to our privacy and tool to discriminate and target black community members, California Connecticut, Virginia, and many more have community led and evidence based programs are using to prevent gun violence. Some of your intentions may be to help someone but the outcome will be more racism. We watch the 45th president of United States lied to the American people on the biggest platform in the world. Don't mislead the people. You have a responsibility. Thank you. Good job.
All right. Thank you, ma'am. We will now conclude our public comment and again, thank you all for coming down those who joined us in person and also those who joined us virtually. We're going to now go back to our presentation we have the director of DDOT, who has joined us virtually for a ARPA presentation Hello, can you hear me? We can thank you for joining us. We can hear you.
Fantastic I have. Stephanie is going to put the PowerPoint presentation up let me know when you see
it. while she's doing that, I also have Steve Watson with me from Oh, CFO to answer any financial questions. I will say that prior to us getting to this point, he has done the presentation about the opera replacement funds. We've talked about it a few times. But with this in its final stage. Um I think that if you have any additional questions, I have them here. So I'm just going to run through the PowerPoint. But before I get started, I just want to say that the community has spoken. We had multiple meetings with input by from the riders we at DDOT adopted an interactive public process and allowed speakers to speak with no time duration. In addition, myself and staff stayed until the last person gave their input. In addition, people were able to give recommendations in the chat and via email. And they were letting us know what projects that they wanted. And what projects they think should be reduced. Of course, this this resulted in great debate. And we were able to capture all of that information summit together in a PowerPoint that I'm going to show you in summary form. So the results results showed that people the writing public wanted everything that they listed and more but with you know, as you know, we only had a certain amount of money, which was $51 million. So what we did is we've still taken those ideas, we've collected them and we're going to continue to move forward to seek other funds. There were things like art, warming buses, driver increase, to pay or things like that. So we were able to address a lot of the the items, but we have not given up and we're going to continue. So with that next slide please. So the proposed products, as I mentioned that community. was asked of the proposed project projects, which do you think are the most important? You have other potential projects that should be considered and the meetings were hosted by the City Department of neighborhoods, the Dons, Detroit people's platform, Motor City, Freedom Riders, and the transit riders union and there were some more most of you are familiar with our good friend Mr. Cunningham. I call them three C Cunningham, Cunningham Cunningham, he also assisted to make sure that we had boots on the ground to get as many people to give input as possible. Next slide. So the projected projects came out as follows and I will go over each one of them. Bus Stop shelters at 92% That was at the top incentives for bus operators. That was one that was newly put on by a lot of the people that called in at 90% Bus Stop seating which is a little different in addition to bus stop. shelters. I'll talk about that. Transit connection hubs at 76%. The low income fare study which was new, Rosa Parks enhancement, there was a lot of input and a lot of great ideas that we're going to try to implement as many as we can. On the bus safety, they kept some pieces but some pieces were reduced. I'll tell you that. And then the one that came in last was the enhanced fare technology. Next slide. So the breakdown of the funding goes as follows and they're all funded. They're called proposed projects. Now originally, it was ARPA and then as you know, when we came on board, we set up a replacement funds because we're going to be actually using other funds to to move forward with with the funding of this project. And it's all funded here at one point, city council assets, the funding there, it absolutely is. And you see all of the locations where their their their funding. In the on the bus safety number seven, we only advanced the air system funding versus some other discussions about cameras which were removed. Next slide. This just simply shows in a financial distribution format, what the size of the money's going to go towards next slide.
Next slide please.
Okay, so number one was bus stop shelters. I mean, this was just It was overwhelming. People were saying we need shelters. We have approximately 200 shelters out there. So what we have in our in what the people wanted was to look at approximately 350 shelters that's another 100 and 150 show on so on top of what we currently have and replace the existing ones they wanted next trip real time displays which This funding will go towards security pylons. Lighting and USB charging ports, additional seats for high volume stops, improved maintenance and cleaning and possible art and heating additions. So the two big ones are basically the shelters and then the next stop display portion, total amount 20 point 8 million next slide. The incentives for the bus operators a lot of you are familiar with this. We moved forward with this and based on not only what the people wanted, but it was announced widely that we were providing $1,000 quarterly incentive bonus for bus operators who made minimum bus driving time threshold that was worked into our finances and we moved forward with this it comes out to $6.2 million, potentially depending on the performance. I will say right now. The first quarter is over and about 60% of the people made the incentive. We're pushing to get that to 80 to 100 Because if we do then we will actually have more service on the road and that's what a lot of people were saying. These are all nice but what will enhance service Well we all know it'll be more bus operators and or giving our current bus operators an opportunity to work more hours and that's what
this does. Next slide.
Bus Stop seating is different from bus stop shelters. It's an opportunity to look beyond bus stop shelters and see where there are locations that seating should take place. There are various ways to do it. You can put this is called the semi seat which was discussed in detail by a lot of people. It's actually a seat that can slide over existing poll. That way you don't have to spend additional money in laying out a cement pad and it's just just an additional way to just have some seating also, this includes potential benches and different locations. We projected 400 additional seats on top of the shelters.
Next slide.
Transit connection hubs there was a lot of discussion about this and I will say at one point it was trending at number one. Either way, it's something that we're going to be moving forward with. In short today. DDOT only has two transit centers as you know Rosa Parks in the new state fair that's being built. People need to safely transfer between DDOT routes and smart routes and other locations. We have up to 16 identified new transit connection hubs that will improve accessibility with that next trip technology so it sort of goes hand in hand with the new bus shelters locations will be considered in the upcoming DDOT reimagined, which is actually taking place today. But we do have a lot of potential locations. I will just name a few and then I'll go I'll start out we'll go over the bus stop enhancements, but actually I'll do the bus stop enhancements first let's click on that. So the bus stop enhancement of this entire connecting hub shows a new bus stop shelter warning strips well identified information real time arrival display signature lighting, distinctive site markers, a potential fair vending machine, bike racks, trashcan seating, and station ramps. Imagine these as our standard bus stops all around the city. Go back to the next one. The next one's mobility transit hubs. These are our busy locations. These are locations where this whole packet will be going. This whole pack will be on Thursday. But make a copy for the petitioner to pick it up. This person is coming to pick it up today.
All right so I'm a cop everything but the originals.
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All right on Andre Gilbert, can you
do? Mr. Gilbert? We can hear your conversation. just mute yourself. Okay. All right, Director.
I'm sorry about that. Mobility transit hubs. This is an exciting piece. This is a part where they're the busiest locations not only were our buses crossed, but also smart. Could you imagine the exact same thing I listed with refuge islands, bike racks, Bike Share stations. E scooter parking, bus layover space, a potential bathroom for the drivers and people said well what about bathrooms for the riders that can be considered and discussed but this was for the drivers lighting, landscaping car share, and put potential retail kiosk. We have approximately eight locations potential locations that are very busy from Woodward, Manchester all the way to Verner and limonoids that we could potentially put something like this and people were very excited about it. Next slide. The next next portion the next portion of this is very exciting because everybody knows that our Connect 10 routes are very important and as we work to get our schedules where they need to be and I will tell you that our revenue miles are going up. We're we're equal to the revenue miles that we were providing last year, the same time with 100 Less operators. So I believe that once we get to 100 more operators will be more efficient with a lot of great service. But while we do that, imagine where all of our locations are connecting corner. routes across we have nine locations from Greenfield and seven mile wood. We're in seven mile Gratiot and seven mile Gratiot and Warren, just imagine them looking like this, where we have our busiest connections taken care of where people have high Lane high Lane bus stops, high visibility crosswalks, landscaping, a station area, a station ramp, and we believe with the funding that we set aside we'll be able to do all three of these next slide. That was the that was the majority of it. That was about 19 point 2 million. That's a major piece of the funding. Now there was a lot of discussion about a low income fair to be set. But a lot of people know that the low income fair study that was presented and that has been quoted since I've been here over the past two years is old and reflects pre pandemic. It indicates that'll cost DDOT $10 million. We just don't know whether that's currently factual or not given the fact that the ridership is so much lower. So we have we had multiple discussions though people were saying we just want the study I mean, we just want the low income fair to be in place, a correct study has to be done. So we proposed to conduct the feasibility study for the low income fair project. But what we did and you'll see in the funding portion is I've actually taken this out of the proposed projects portion and put it in our existing DDOT reimagined, and we started working on this already. So hopefully we'll be able to come up with what low income fair means in today's world. And it's already it's already funded and DDOT reimagined. So the people were right. We agree we're going to move forward and do this study as quickly as possible. Get it in front of all of you, and then we'll be able to make a very well. Detailed decision moving forward. Next slide. Rosa Parks enhancement this. I mean, the amount of discussion was incredible on this, but people were really excited because Rosa Parks has the bones to be really good, but it's just sort of empty and needs a little refresh. So it's a key stop for DDOT transit customers and the face of data and the transit center has not kept pace with customer expectations or has or but it is a positive downtown public space. We clean it. By the end of the day. It looks like nobody touched it. People are feeding the birds we put we're telling don't feed the birds they feed the birds and they call and complain that it's dirty. So we need to do something there. So some potential projects that were discussed and we are looking into and we priced out a few a new safe place for youth, new shops and vendors. The current location of the top does not have give the ability for vendors to be there. It doesn't have the right ventilation and everything else. Perhaps we can put some money into that it's not expensive, dedicated operation, staffing, and more importantly, a new next trip display and departure technology similar to what you've seen in big cities where you have a really big display an Amtrak or Greyhound or something like that. We set aside $2.9 million
for that. Next slide.
On Bus Safety was a major discussion. We went back and forth on various pieces. We listened to what the people said and we took a lot of things off this table from the on a bus safety side. One thing that was unanimous was that we need new electronic air filters on all the buses there are new filters that are out there now that similar similar to what they use in a hospital, given the pandemic and what's coming down the road. This is a small investment of $700,000 that can go a long way to put in 288 buses. We're going to move forward with that and then after we retrofit our 280 buses as we order new buses, we'll make sure they're included in the package. Some people were saying, Don't you have this already? The answer is no. We didn't have the pandemic before we learned and we're moving forward in the right direction. So these bus filters will be great. We're in the process of figuring out how to purchase these next slide. I wanted to leave this here because there was a lot of discussion about enhanced fare technology. We looked at rear boarding we talked about it and length. It will require a lot to pull it off. And it was just clear that not only were the individuals or the riders not excited about it when I spoke to the operators, they definitely weren't. It would require additional policing if you will, of the fair when they get on the back of the rear of the bus. It would be a trust program most likely because when a bus is packed and someone gets on the rear they say they tapped on how do you know and this just this just doesn't fit us at this time. Not for this funding. We're still keeping it on the list. And we're going to look at other types of reporting but it was unanimous that this one did not make the cut. So we took that one off the list. Next slide. So in short, just to summarize it up here is the funding. Here's the funding. This is how its proposed. This is how it's distributed. It comes to 50 point 3 million. A lot of people know that our total is 51 million. We put a $700,000 contingency in because again as we move forward with some of these I think the prices will may may be above or below what we think the total will be so we need to have a little contingency there. But all in all, should there be additional funding. We'll go back to the list and see what we can add on and with that, that is the end of my presentation.
All right, thank you so much director Oglesby for this presentation. I know a lot of people were waiting to see this and I had the opportunity to meet with you and I just appreciate your attention to really the concerns of the community. You really made sure that each issue was addressed and it looks like pretty much all of the high ranked concerns are going to be funded. And so that is great news for the deedat ridership. I just have one quick question. It wasn't one here but oftentimes get caused and just last week, I was at a senior building. And there was a senior there who spoke to having some steel wait an hour for bus routes in so if you could just briefly speak to if there are situations where residents or writers are encountered situations where they do have an hour for example, wait time, what is the direct course of action? Is there a number that they can call so that we can make sure we get that out to the community and then just address how you are working to reduce those situations where writers do have to wait an hour long?
Absolutely. Do you have another hour? No, I'm kidding. There's so much that that that I could go over but I will say this We do have some scenarios that are unique and I believe one of the callers called and it was on Grand River Gratiot I've been riding the system I rode the system all last week and was on with the with the people listened to the to the to the riders and saw firsthand what happened. And believe it or not. I went out there to wait for a bus and it didn't show up for me. I said Aha. I was able to then look into it to see that it was something as simple as the the person that's assigned to that route actually had a mandatory union meeting so they were pulled off. So then therefore something that's simple, where you pull one person off that one bus now was blank. If you can't get somebody to fill it with overtime, which they couldn't. So therefore, it's a 20 minute headways. I waited 20 minutes and then the next bus came after 20 minutes. So that's a 40 hour wait and that's what they're experiencing. So imagine that twice. And I think that's really what's happening. Of course as you know, if we get more people, more bus operators we'll be in better shape we're we're still taught teetering. A little over 100 short. We are doing some more efficient things with our routes, just our last schedule. We changed it in such a way that we change the pieces of work instead of having splits or we put we put it so the the ride the drivers themselves would be on the bus on one route for a longer period of time. This makes it more attractive for the operator the operator wants to work. It's efficient from a tracking standpoint, and it seems to be working our scheduled revenue miles have went up since we've done that I also have have heard positive comments lately which is good because we're getting into these winter months and we really want to fix this problem the best that we can again, more more bus operators more overtime. That's really what's going to do it until we fill the gaps of getting more people on board. We are having a hard time doing that. We did a incredible push for bus operators. And believe it or not since January we had almost 100 operators that we hired and of those 100 including the trainees, we only have about 30 that are actually writing so it's not like we have not been pushing we're getting we're getting them on board. They're coming in and then they leave for whatever reason, some leave because they get the CDL they say thank you very much and then they go for a job at a higher rate. We're working on a document that they have to sign and they won't be able to do that. Some of them get on and they realize that they didn't realize that there was a schedule involved. This is not Uber, this is not Lyft so once they got in and so I have a schedule. Some of them left because of that. So there's various reasons why they come on and then go, some of them don't make the disciplinary portion and all of that. So we have been pushing hard. We had billboards we had you name it social media, I was an inch away from having a sandwich board out front saying come to DDOT
and, and everybody knows me I'm on the bus talking to everybody. And you know every once in a while at least three times a day I get somebody that says hey, how do you I want to be an operator. I want to be a mechanic and by the way, we're short mechanics and we're hiring for those that are listening. So so that's really where we are. What I would encourage people to do is follow our tracker. The reason why we put the DDOT tracker there separate is it attaches directly to our houses and clever device system on the bus. And it has some glitches here and there. But for the most part, it's pretty impressive. You can follow when the bus is coming if the bus is not coming at least you can look and say okay, I can make other plans. That was the purpose of it until we fix the problem. So the bus, bus tracker is important. I was out on Grand River the other day and was talking to people about the tracker. They don't want to use their phone. They didn't want to hear they wanted me to tell them when the bus was coming, which I did with my phone and I have shown them how to use it. And they said oh wow, this is pretty nice. So I think we need to do a better job of letting the people know this tracker is going to be very valuable especially after the cold weather comes. And as far as what to do I encourage everyone to call 313-933-1300 to speak to a sub customer service rep and or leave a voice message after hours which is checked on a regular basis and we will move from there. I hope moving forward especially as we go to this budget process that I'm able to put some additional customer service reps in so we can go around the clock. President you had mentioned at one point, the word out on the street was that we are short customer service reps and I was indicating what we have six budgeted. Well, I will assure you that right after that meeting, I went into the customer service room to see how many people we had and in fact, we do have the same number I told you but some of them got promoted. So when they got promoted, it looks like there's only two so we are in the process of hiring customer service reps. For those who want to come on board. We just brought two brand new people in they're really excited and it's a great opportunity for those at home. That may want to get involved. Go to our website, go to DDOT click the button, you'll see all of the jobs that were out there looking for. Hopefully that answered your question
indeed. Thank you so much and I wish we have more time to dive deeper but I know we have an agenda before us. I'll open it up now to colleagues if there's any questions or comments for Director Oglesby at this time. All right, remember Santiago Romero fella by member callawassie? A couple of hands and we'll go down Member Santiago Romero.
Thank you, Madam President.
And thank you Director for this presentation.
It's exciting to see the work that you've been doing and what's to come. I do have some questions about the future and the now when it comes to the operators there was I believe is employee wide survey for DDOT. Do you have any results that you can share with us briefly
or the employee wide survey? Was by done by human resources? I don't have them on so I can't share the I don't have it with me in front of me right now. But we can get you that information. Okay. Thank you.
When it comes to the outreach that you've done, you mentioned working together with community organizations. Was anybody on the bus surveyed when it comes to asking them how they would like the money to be spent?
Yes. We had we had people out on the bus. I was out there doing it. Yes, we did. We did survey people on the bus as a matter of fact, Mr. Cunningham came in very handy because he was not only on the bus, but he was a Facebook streaming live. We're tracking that too.
Amazing. I'm not surprised.
Thank you, Mr. Cunningham. When it comes to the operator restrooms,
you mentioned that we are funding finding solutions for that in the future. But what is the progress on restrooms today for operators
as far as the restrooms that are currently set are what we're going to be doing moving forward or the format which one would you like? How
are we addressing the issues that operators are facing now when they can't find restrooms and this is what we're hearing from them that they don't want. They can't find restrooms don't have time to have a break restroom break. How are we solving that solution?
So I think the problem is probably time for a restroom break because we have a location we have a sheet that indicates all of the locations that we have discussed with various various companies that allow the operators to use their bathrooms. It's all formatted laid out for everybody. And I keep an eye on it. As a matter of fact, I brought this to the next level during the pandemic. We were having a problem we were trying to use porta potties when I first came here, a lot of people wouldn't let folks inside of their building Well now that's changed. So I think the location, I think there's one or two locations that were brought to my attention that were an issue. I think it was a McDonald's, we talked to them that's been solved. But I think the big problem that people were saying is time for a West restaurant break at the end of their route because you know, they have five minutes to turn and if they're running late or running hot that adjusts, which is common in public transportation, but they do still get the restroom break. So we keep monitoring it. Our planning staff is all over it. And it's also part of DDOT reimagined, we're really taking a look at how we can solve that. Problem. And hopefully when I come to you with the outcome of DDOT reimagined, we'd be able to be able to get into that in a little more detail.
Understood just one my one last question, Madam President,
Director, you showed a photo of a seats bus seating, it did not look ABA compliance. What do our standard shelters and seating look like now? And is there an ad and compliance plan for upgrading our bus stops and the bus seating?
So you saw two things where you saw the the mobility slide that had all of those great things and one of them was replacing all of the bus shelters. They will be ADA compliant that's in part of the pricing. A lot of that has to do with the the shelter solar panels, the pads themselves, the labor, but all bus stops that are put in from the point that we start have to be ATA compliant. A lot of the ones that aren't were grandfathered because they've been there for so long. So that's another thing that is addressed within that. I think what you're talking about the semi seats that you saw, in order for that to be ADA compliant. There would have to be a sidewalks and pads put in locations that there aren't sidewalks and pads which goes beyond transportation. So in those situations where we put a semi seat, it would if we didn't put a semi seat there then it just stays a dirt patch. So So from fatawa from ADA compliancy we make sure we stay within the guideline rules and regulations of everything that we're doing moving forward. We propose 350 shelters that we're going to raise 200 to replace with possibly another 150 added which will take what you send to consideration and we want to put seats in places that are kind of awkward. You know there's a bunch of them up we showed you a picture there's people standing in the dirt and and looking at me saying well why can't you put something here so that's just a filler. It was a small slide, but a lot of the people really wanted it.
Understood Thank you Director and I just really highly encourage
the are yourself to be working with DPW I understand that may not be a transit's fall under your your your control, but we do work together with other city departments and making sure that we're working together with DPW to make those seats accessible to everyone would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much. Thank you Madam President.
Consider it. Consider that done. Thank you remember Dr.
Hall. Thank you, Madam President. Good morning director Oglesby. A few a couple of things. So, one I want to address I understand we're doing everything that we can to ensure that we have timely service. And I want to get with you offline just about a particular route in in an incident but I've got a young man and has contacted me at least five to six times about him missing being late to work because the buses are not arriving at this particular stop. And there's someone very active in the community, but want to get with you on that specific incident and see what's going on and investigate that. Member Santiago Ramiro kind of when the end the direction that I was going in as I chaired a disability Task Force, a lot of the issues that we talked about with our disabled community involved transportation, and not just sitting at the bus stops, but what are we doing to ensure that our buses are comparable to other buses around the country relative to lifts whether to seating whether to spacing on the actual bus? Are we making improvements and that are we where we need to be are we you know, as far as ABA compliance,
we are where we need to be as far as equipment we have the best equipment out there new flyer bus that we utilize has the appropriate ramp is ADA compliant. I think the the the struggle that we've seen is the training of the operators and the handling of people with disabilities. I've heard a lot of people complain. We have been doing retraining, we're doing train the trainer and I personally go into the training meetings to make sure that things are appropriate and compliant. But again, I think a lot of the complaints that are taking place is not the actual physical bus. We have the best bus out there, especially the new 20 twos that are out there. It's making sure that all of the operators are trained, that they are all about customer service. And it's about the rider.
And I would agree that training obviously is an important component. I've visited other states that have great transplants or transit systems. When I look at Virginia actually rode a bus in Virginia, and we picked up someone who had a wheelchair and just to see that driver being trained and accommodate that person and strap them into the harness. Secure the wheelchair is something that I wonder, are we doing that on our buses? Yes. And I'll well I hope so I get different feedback from the disabled community but I will hope that we're doing those things and I'm looking forward to riding the bus very soon to see if we do that. Finally, something separate from this, obviously is paratransit that doesn't get talked about enough. Where are we at in involving our paratransit? You know, again, a lot of seniors call in and a lot of folks from our disabled community are calling in and saying that our paratransit needs improvement. What are we looking at relative to funding you know, a vision a plan to improve our paratransit?
Okay, so before I get into paratransit, let me answer your second question a little bit more instead of just nodding I think it probably requires some some discussion. We have trained all of our operators on securing seats, all of the standards that are required to assist we still get complaints I get the complaints you get that the front seat is up and people with disabilities can't sit down because there are babies chairs there and so on and so forth. These are situations that are not super common, but they do take place and they're not tolerated so we have retrained operators to let them know listen, this is not how it works. We do have the best locking systems in transit for wheelchairs. But it's not just the operator. It's the rider also. I just took a ride on the Grand River and somebody with with a wheelchair got on and someone else got on and put a baby stroller in that spot. They went back and forth at it. The driver was trying to mediate it. I tried to mediate it. There were unique situations that come out as complaints and we deal with them accordingly. So I will say All in all our drivers are hard workers and they're doing a great job coupled with the fact that you know they're also focused on making sure they're on time but we tell them we need you to be safe. So safety first. And all of those things together will result in potential complaints, which we handle one at a time as it pertains to paratransit as you know we're going to bring it be bringing all of the paratransit oversight and house we're going to be contracting out the the actual providers themselves. I believe that's going to be in front of you for approval to move forward for me to do a full presentation on that. At the next meeting, another meeting after that, so we're on schedule. We are in the process of hiring all of our internal staff. I have a manager overseeing it. I have all of the managers on board and we are looking at the we're looking at the schedulers now. We are looking at the complaints or complaints and compliance piece of it. So we're moving along and fully anticipate to take over paratransit by January 1.
And finally, Madam President, thank you for your indulgence. Again, I know we've got some great great great drivers, dedicated drivers that have stuck here in this system for a very long time, even when pay wasn't comparable conditions were not comparable. And so I appreciate our drivers as I stood with you at a press conference not too long ago to you know, help our drivers but, again, you know, moving forward I look forward to sitting down and talking with you within the disability Task Force in groups like Detroit disability power. And we'll be contacting you very soon to set up a meeting just so we can discuss ideas on how we can move paratransit for and ensure that we're doing everything that we possibly can to ensure that our buses are ADA compliant. And and our systems are a key ABA compliant and good for our disabled residents in the city of Detroit.
Thank you. Absolutely I look forward to it. We focus on the ADA community not in paratransit, but also in fix route and hope we have some fruitful conversation and I hope I get some ideas. I'll take them. Thank
you member Doha. Mr. Callaway, thank you Madam Chair. And good afternoon director Oglesby. And thank you for your presentation. I have a couple questions. I had an opportunity to ride your on one of the electric buses a few months ago and how many electric buses do we have in our fleet that are on the road right now? For for they're currently on the road? That's
correct. We interchange them at different locations. But yes, we're they're currently on the road since there's only four everybody wants them on every single route. So I try to spread it out. You'll see them going up and down. Jefferson, I think I had him on Mac at one point, but we spread them out. We anticipate moving forward we put in a request for grant for for additional and we did get the grant. We're very excited. So with that being said that's another four vehicles but we're doing it a little different. The existing buses are Proterra buses, but we don't we know we want to go electric or we have to go zero emissions, but we don't know which provider so instead of giving all of the work to one, we have Proterra with the first for the current New flyers that we have which are diesel, they make an electric bus. So in this proposal, I'm going to bring on 240 foot new fliers, similar to what people are used to riding and 260 foot articulated electric buses. That's really excited. That's a 60 foot one with a bendy thing in the middle. That's how I like to describe it anyway. But yeah, we're gonna have two of those electric and we want to run those. I mean, could you imagine that working out in such a way that we then go with a pilot program and dedicate one of the Connect 10 routes with all just 60 foot articulated electric buses. And that's what my vision is down the road. We'll see if we can get there. Thank you
and Congress
allocated $7.5 billion for electric buses. I know we have four and you're looking at adding another two to four of the $7.5 billion. And I know you said you get grant dollars to so congratulations on writing the grant and getting the grant awarded up of $7.5 billion. How much has been allocated to Detroit to increase our fleet
to my knowledge, right now, none but I don't have that specific information. I'll have to look at that and get back to you. I wasn't familiar with that. I know that if I can tell you this. If there's funding that's out there, I'm going for.
Okay, you're saying to me that you're not aware of this $7.5 billion that Congress has awarded to
the 7.5 billion that you the 7.5 billion that you're talking about is carved up in different pieces. So just to say 7.5 billion is is correct, but it's simplified. I have to go back and take a look to see what is applicable and what is not. Whether it applies to electric buses or Hydrogen buses. There's a lot of pieces there. So I'll have my team take a look at that. But right now, we are looking at the foreign for as a pilot program. Again, one thing that we don't want to do is just go get money and put electric buses in just because the money's there and then realize that they can't perform in the weather they can't perform here in Detroit. So we want to see how these buses these pilot programs right now, but I do have a separate electric electrification fleet replacement program that I like to move forward with down the road, but we need to see which piece of equipment is the right equipment, and then we need to go for as much as we can to fill those gaps.
Okay, thank you and director Oglesby. Since you said you're not you don't know how the buses are going to perform in the winter months. Will you be using the electric buses during this first winter? No, yes. Okay. We're able to determine whether or not these buses can operate in our climate.
Absolutely. We are running them hard. We're running them on all the roads. We are going to run them during the weather we are looking at the data. It's not something that's a long term pilot program, but we do want to make sure that it can hold up Case in point the the the the Proterra bus, after about a few weeks that had signed fell and almost fell on one of my operators. We don't want that. So we fixed it and then we keep running it on these roads. You know, let's see if it can take it and if that bus doesn't take it then we go to the next one. There are a few of them out there. You've got Gillings, you got novas you've got new flyer and you've got pro terror which are the big ones but we have a majority of our fleet a new fliers, so we'll see what happens.
My last question on Madam Chair is directors Oh will be what is the age that you have to be to operate, operate a bus in the city of Detroit Oh, that's a question are older or is it a different age other than 18?
I believe it's 18. That's a good question. I've never been asked that question because I'm just hiring anybody to come up to me and then my HR department and tell me what I can have them or not, but that will go
okay. I would think you would know that because I would think we would have some recruit recruiting outreach in high school because a lot of students aren't interested in going to college right away and could be a gap to your gap year or two for them to perhaps start a career with, you know, DDOT No, no, I would think I would think that we can maybe start some outreach I have, you know, several high schools in my district. And I'd like to see some outreach with those students who are about to graduate in a few months and may, you know, consider, you know, joining your team.
No, absolutely, absolutely. To the chair. You are correct in saying that. 18 is the right number. I have an entire recruitment team that actually gets into the details of it moving forward. That's why I said what I said, but the answer is 18 years old.
Okay, thank you, Director Oglesby. And thank you, Manager.
Thank you member Calloway member Benson. Thank you, Madam
President, which will always be thank you for being here today. Question looking at post project number rate and know that this is no longer proposed. But one of the bullet points is coordinate with smart to move toward a fully integrated, seamless regional system of transit fare payment for customers. And I'm pretty sure that we are coordinated now. What does that mean? And how can we continue to look towards that as we work to regionalize the system and not be two distinct and separate systems at least as far as our customers
are aware? Okay, I don't have the hardcopy in front of you pertaining to the bullet that is under fair structure
will enhance fair technology and is the is one is the third bullet there.
Right. That is pertaining to enhance fair technology. So yes, we work together with smart all the time. But as we move forward with fare itself, we need to make sure that we're going to all be on the same platform. That's what that means. So we'd work very closely with smart with the cue line and with people mover to make sure that whatever is decided on the fair replacement program, which is in place separately, that we we work together so the fair replacement program we're working together with this would have been if we were going to be getting on and boarding in the rear. Okay, those specific
okay. And then as we move I'm hoping that we're looking to do this move from public transit being a transit last resource to making the transit of first choice. And I think those type of technological innovations and conveniences are going to be necessary. So what are we doing to move our public transit from transit last choice to transit a first choice
DDOT reimagined. We're in the process of doing it right now. We have, we're going out to the public. We're getting all the information from the public. We have went out to the rider to the drivers, we're getting information from the drivers that make us a premier system. And once that information is gathered and put together, we're going to put it in front of you, you and we will have a discussion on how to move forward but right now we're in the intake stage and we're deep into it. And hopefully I will have a preliminary report sometime in November to have them go back out and do some more work and then by the first quarter of next year, we should have a plan to answer your question.
Okay, and hope we're gonna we're leaving just our current transit universe and looking at those who are potential users who don't use it now because it may be viewed as transit last choice. And then finally, there's a lot of conversation regarding low income fare. Where are we with our reduced fare program, and how will the two work together? Or how can the two work together
okay, so right now we only have two fares. So we don't really have a reduced fare program. We do have the, the the $1 amount for a set group of individuals but it's not related to income. That's why a study needs to be done. To be able to create aid alone income plan, the existing low income plan, as I had mentioned, is old and it's indicates that in order to move forward with it, it costs $10 million. And a lot of people going crazy saying Why don't you just take some money and pump the 10 million in? I'm saying I don't think that 10 million is accurate. That's old information. Let's redo it. So once we take a look at what people say, then we're going to have to look at the entire fare structure and make some decisions.
The same way you said we do not have a reduced currently have a reduced fare structure either not as it pertains to low income but we do have a reduced fare structure correct and just what is that
people may not know.
It's for students and I believe you guys hit me with a lot of questions here. It's students and I don't have a right in front of me Hold on a second.
We can talk about it later. Just wanted to verify we do have a reduced fares.
Yeah, we do have a reduced fare structure, but it's for a certain group. I think it's senior seniors and students. I believe it is what it's for. But what people are asking for pertains to actual income, which takes a lot more time to make the decision as to who falls into the low income category and who doesn't. That's a that's a very deep program that DDOT reimagined is taking a look at and hopefully I'll have some information soon.
Thank you. Thank you, Ben presents. We're looking forward to seeing how we move our data into a transit a first choice. Thank you.
Thank you. If I could add just a little bit on the last and first choice. DDOT reimagined is also known as comprehensive operational analysis and not only takes a look at the existing structure and how it is, but it looks at need, it looks at demographics, it looks at the future, it looks at future growth. And then there is a system that's built and then you take a look at that system versus the way our system looks now and you make some decisions and I truly believe after we're done with that we will have accomplished exactly what you were looking for. And and just just just one more thing because I have in front of me. The reduced fare our seniors, individuals that 65 years of age, Medicare card holders needed individuals with disabilities and professional verification form from health care professionals.
Thank you, Madam President. And if my mistaken I believe that returning citizens should fall into that category as well. Thank you.
All right. Thank you member Benson member Johnson. Thank you,
Madam President. I'm not going to belabor anything but a lot of my colleagues have already addressed several of the questions that I have, but I did want to share that I had an opportunity to ride the neck Avenue bus yesterday afternoon along with several of my team members, and it did come on time. We rode from Mac and Morones to Mac and mount Elliott and then went across the street to ride back to Mac and morose and going back eastbound. The bus may have been a couple minutes late, but it was for the most part on schedule. So I appreciate that I had some concerns from constituents as it relates to the mack Avenue bus being on time or actually even coming around the time that students are getting out of school and so that was the reason that we decided to take that route at that time. But I was glad to see that it was on time. And I had an opportunity to speak to the drivers as well. And so appreciate all of the outreach that you have done with the community and working to address the needs of the community. I did want to ask if DDOT reimagined is looking into bus rapid transit?
Yes, that's one of the that's one of the many things that they're looking at. So of course Bus Rapid Transit is something that a lot of people talk about. It takes a lot of investment as a matter of fact, at one point when I mentioned I had a vision of 60 foot articulated vehicles going around on the 10 that will be a version of bus rapid transit, given the lane way that things are laid out. True Bus Rapid Transit is a dedicated lane so I like to refer to it as rapid transit. Light, if you will, where the vehicles actually share the road with with with vehicles, but they may be able to get some signal prioritization or something like that, which of course would have to work with MDOT on that. So part of reimagined is to really look at how can we truly do bus rapid transit? So yes, it is included.
Thank you. And the other question I had was just wondering how things are going with the Skills for Life program and producing individuals that are getting their CD CDL I don't know if it's a or b. Training going through the training to be able to move into position with DDOT. How is that going?
So we have bumped up our CDL program and we've been talking to Skills for Life we have not merged the two yet because there are parts of skills for life that require time in skills for life that would take them from actually being on the road. So the folks that really look like Skills for Life would be the best would be in our maintenance shop. So we're looking at that first but we have not given up there may be a way to to weave it in and we're currently in discussions about that.
Okay, all right, if you can keep us abreast of that, because I'm always trying to encourage people to look into skills for life and, you know, going through the trainings to be able to move into jobs, whether with the city or other entities. So thank you. Thank you, Madam President.
Thank you, thank you and to the chair, we do need 15 mechanics. So if we do Lincoln through Skills for Life, let them know we need you.
Thank you so much. Remember young Thank you,
Madam President. It's all Always a pleasure, man. How you doing? Always good to see you. Fantastic. Lizzy serratus Ward ask you really quickly. What are we doing? What's the plan about mobility as a service? And so what I mean by that is our bikes or scooters, our ride sharing, you know, it'd be zip cars, autonomous vehicles. What are we doing overall in terms that planning and does that coordinate with the master plan in terms of having 20 minute neighborhoods, so in any neighborhood you live in any service you need is only 20 minutes away from you just kind of break that down for me real quick.
Okay, so, the mobility group is in the process of looking at bikes ride sharing as it pertains to what DDOT provides and working through the DDOT reimagined portion. So yes, we are working together. mobility as a service, of course, is the future. So we want to make sure that we not only have that we have Mike, we're looking at potential micro transit, we're looking at, you know, especially while the weather the weather is where it is you can't necessarily use the scooters. So there has to be other modes, and we're looking at all those modes. And it would be nice to have a 20 minute right now, to tell you the truth. I'm trying to focus on making sure that people have a bus that comes on time with the with the shortage of operators before this cold comes. But with that being said, we are simultaneously looking at some of the fancy stuff if you will, but I want to get the basics down first because if we don't have the basics down mobility as a service means nothing.
No you right what will will if you had the bags, none of it means anything to me. And you got to make sure that you show up on time yesterday, right? I mean, I know talking down the line, but I'll speak I guess kind of prophetically assume that you are going to take care of that do your job and then when that's done, this is something we want to look at further down the line. You know, as they say in the street, I'm talking to you like grown folks right now. But um, as far as tires is the there was another question I wanted to ask us about kind of piggyback off of member Johnson and it was evolving. Rapid bus transit. I wanted to ask you have you talked about or looked at the possibility of tracklists trams or automated Rapid Transit at all these are fees that are going on? It's more international going on in China such places, but I think it's the future work because it's rapid bus transit, but also simply because it's cheaper than transit. There has ever been a discussion with you with Regional Transit Authority in with the state at all, in terms of doing this, you know, and regionally. And have you looked at trying to do this locally as well partnering up with for because they're building their intellectual cathedral over there, Southwest Detroit was part of my Transportation Innovation zones and I'm trying to get done as well. Has there been any conversations with all that or coordination involving that at all?
Well, you just asked me seven questions. Yeah, kind of, let me let me try to touch on some of that. So yes, during during the DDOT reimagined, we are looking at talking about autonomous vehicles, the potential of them in the future as you know, it's quite a ways away from autonomous buses sharing lanes with with with with various vehicles. I will tell you that I don't know if you're familiar with the Michigan AV project, but we are working very closely with the powers to be including m dot and Ford to see what we can do with inductive charging. You know, we currently have the electric buses, I'm in the process of putting overhead charging in various locations, and there's an opportunity to run it down Michigan Avenue and get a charge while on the fly through an inductive charging format. That's something that has not been done in the United States for for a 40 foot vehicle. We'd be the first in Detroit. We are looking at that that's very innovative, and we have to measure it to see whether it makes sense whether it's viable. How much charge do you get? How what's the spacing between the routes that have to take place? All of those things would be part of data gathering to figure out what the future of public transit is going to be with inductive charging but more importantly, what the future of Detroit is with inductive charging, so we are doing some creative things in that world. And we are looking at it and that's again, part of DDOT reimagined, we have to walk before we run, but we are looking at running in the future. So we're putting all
that out there in a plan format. Okay, thank you so much. As always, we appreciate all it's a pleasure. Thank you, man president. All right. Thank you. All right, Director. We appreciate your time and looking forward to continuing these discussions with you. And thank you for the thorough presentation. Thank you to all of our transit advocates who constantly come down and remind us of some of the outstanding issues that need to be addressed. But we appreciate your leadership. I think things have improved and we have a lot more to do. So thank you so much for your time. Thank you. All right. Have a good one. All right. So we're gonna go back to our agenda. And oh, Mr. Todd, I apologize. I know you had a question. Are you still there, Mr. Todd? Yes, Madam President. Thank you. But I note that director Ogilvy has already left the room virtually so I will contact him directly. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry about that. Not a problem. Understand under standing committee reports for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee from the City Clerk's Office City Planning Commission, Councilmember dr. Hall resolution line item 13.1, noting that this item was postponed from last week's formal session. Councilmember Doha. Thank you, Madam President. This line item 14.1. I'm sorry. 13.1 is a resolution authorization for neighborhood enterprise zone certificate applications for the rehabilitation of a former industrial building into a 92 unit residential apartment building located at 450 Amsterdam and the New Amsterdam neighborhood enterprise zone area. I move for approval of line item 13.1. All right, motion has been made. Hearing no objections or discussion? Discussion member Calloway? Yes, thank you Madam Chair. During public comment, I think it was Resident Ruth Johnson. She asked about the square footage of some of these units. And she was saying that it's really not affordable housing because she didn't think they'd be large enough to have one or two kids. So I'm wondering, what is the square footage because I think she said some of them are going to be like studios, and they're not really affordable. So is there anyone who could speak to that? Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you so much for raising that and this was actually postponed last week because I had additional questions. This project does have micro units. They're 23 Micro units with 350 square feet for those 16 Studios. Those are 400 square feet. And then it goes up to one and two bedrooms as well that range from 400 to 750 square feet. But if we can bring someone online number Doha Do you know Yes. Thank you Madam President. I think Gil Fulton is online and I'm sure even from our end, we may have Mr. goudelock Online, just to let the members know when we go through these, these these as well, through budget, Finance and Audit. There are comprehensive presentations about each of these projects. Then the developers come online as well and speak to the project. But I think Miss water may have someone on Miss Bolton. Thank you, Madam Chair through you to the honorable body. This would definitely come from CPC in terms of the specifics. Mr. Gulak did a great presentation. But just based off of the square footage on this particular project. It's definitely targeted towards a specific demographic. Those who may be looking for their first apartment or home, but I will defer to Mr. Gulak I see he's appeared on the screen. Thank you. Mr. Gerlach. Good afternoon Crisco lacs CPC LPD staff. I reached out to the petitioner this morning they have not gotten back to me yet. I don't have the exact square footage of the proposal. We did seem a better report and I know there's 23 Micro units and 16 Studios and 44 one bedrooms and nine two bedrooms, but I don't have the exact square footage. So just really quick, Mr. Gulati. As I mentioned earlier, I did personally reach out to the developer this morning and they provided me with those numbers. I did mention to them that I agree I have a slight issue. Personally, I just don't really care for micro units in the cost that we're charging for individuals to stay there. I think we need to be targeting more of attracting families to live back in the CD into me it's not necessarily some something that someone can make at home at 350 square feet. And so I did share that concern with him that the reason why I'm able to support it today though, is because it's only 23 of the units are micro and then the rest of them do go up to one and two bedroom and studios that have balconies as well, too. And so I was comfortable moving forward with that. But Mr. Callaway, did you have additional questions that you would like to access at this time? I do not. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, member door hall you move that for Portal president what the question is yes, member waters. Thank you. Um, do we know you seem to have a report there? How much other one bedrooms? Yes, and was what's the AMI for this? So Buddha chair, the chairman of the committee is low too. So the one their rooms are going to be the affordable ones are 1239 a month and that is an again the square footage ranges anywhere between 400 to 750 square feet. And the project is set aside at 20% Set aside at 80% ami. So did they receive the $100 for this project? From my understanding they haven't and through the chairman. The report that I saw did not state any additional for the dollars No, no and three. Madam President, Mr. gulag, again is online. He can ask answer those specific questions as well. I know this came through our community committee front with the CBC recommendation. Again, generally we had questions about the micro units. We took them through that in the committee as well as for the square footage. And we had concerns because they are very small units, but the centering the overall scope of the project and then it being 20 project is still provided up to two bedrooms, which I was just why we approved it and thought it was a good project. But Mr. Goulart can answer that specific question, but I don't think there's any any additional HUD funding with this project. Through the Chair, Crisco lack LPD staff I don't want to call them this one in particular, I assume they maybe got an obsolete property or maybe a brownfield for this redevelopment, but I'm not aware of any HUD funding for the project. So Madam President, is there any market for these micro units? Really? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And if I may respond manner, President three. They are and other cities. If you look at these neighborhoods, again, they are meant to attract young folks who are maybe coming home from college or who are getting their new apartments, who live in studios, particularly in areas that's like that, that are close to areas that have transit. Even though the queue line is good. We'd like to see more reasonable transit obviously opportunities in that area, but there is a market for units like this and considering this as moto I use I think that's great. Coming from Mr. When we speak about her funny, pretty much talking about light tech, low low income housing tax credits for funding. Sometimes they're for projects but not necessarily micro units. So you don't see a lot of that funding through my two micro units. Thank you. Just one little final thing. What about, Mr. Chairman, budget? What about the Michigan loan? Well, that's what I mentioned Low Income Housing Tax Credit, like like tech, and that comes back funding comes from HUD distributed through Mr. So but that's not for this project. Alright, thank you. Thank you. And just remember I just wanted to stay I asked support and I know that there is a market for millennials and those who are in school, but there also is a market for our seniors and women with children. And I think for me, I just I don't really like the concept too much of micro units. 350 square feet is very small. But the only reason again, and I'm just putting it out there and I do let the developer know as these come forward. I am not a big fan of building units that small for anyone to be quite honest. But the reason why I will support this project is because it does have another component which is one in two bedrooms attached to wait and she also mentioned that they have balconies. So you have to incorporate that as well in the square footage. So I wanted to put that on the record as well. Remember Santiago Ramiro, thank you, Madam President. Just briefly, I wholeheartedly agree with all of my colleagues when it comes to the cost of these units and the size of the units. I too was on the verge of not supporting but looking at our housing stock. We do need housing stock. The only thing that I ask is that if we are supporting projects like these that we continue to push for more truly deeply affordable housing projects to come through, especially those for for families. And that's something that I have been and will continue to do. And I know that we have so want us to definitely keep that front in mind as if we are supporting these projects that we continue to push for more funding, potentially more ARPA funding to rehab the many homes that we have that can be saved, and selling those at affordable prices are accessible pricing to our families. Thank you. All right, I completely agree. Thank you, Madam President. Again, I appreciate the comments from our colleagues again and the BFA committee. We took them through this we were on them about the America us we all had concerns that 323 square feet is very small, but some folks like it. So with that, though, Move for approval for line item 13.1. All right, motion has been made manager. More discussion. I'm sorry. Yes, I'd like to be a no vote. On this one. Thank you. The record can reflect. Say my name Angela Callaway. councilmembers a no vote on 13.1. Thank you. And also councilmember that's President Pro. Tem James take on No. Very watershed, no. Any additional hearing none. The resolution is approved. Or, I'm sorry. Okay. For the public health and safety. Standing Committee from the Office of contracting and procurement. Madam President, there are five contracts up for vote today from the public health and safety standing committee. First of all, we have contract number 6004334 100%. ARPA funding to provide the expansion of subscription based gunshot detection location and forensic analysis services contract is ShotSpotter Inc. total contract amount $7 million. And this contract is for the police department. The next contract is contract number 604678 100%. City funding to riot police examination testing services contract is industrial organizational Solutions, Inc. total contract amount $175,425. And this contract is for the police department is well the next contract is contract number 6000026. Revenue amendment number three to run an extension of time only for small wireless communication devices located on three traffic signals throughout the city of Detroit contract with external Systems, Inc. total contract amount. I'm sorry, revenue based upon the light whole amount. That department is public works. Next contract is contract number 6002912. Why don't you present major street funding amendment number one to run an extension of time only for construction services. For the West. Many nickels streetscape project contract has major contracting Group Inc, total contract amount $5,334,671.38. And this contract is for public works the last contract is contract number 6004746 100% major street funding to provide you channel steel signpost and anchors for the installation and maintenance of various traffic control signs captured as MD Solutions, Inc. total contract amount $433,200 And this contract is for public works. Councilmember Santiago de Mayo five resolutions, line items 14.1 and 14.5. Noting that 14.1 was postponed from last week's formal session. Thank you, Councilmember Santiago Amuro. Thank you, Madam President. I motion to approve and discuss line item 14.1. discussion. Thank you, Madam President. I know the administration wants us to postpone the votes on ShotSpotter but I cannot do so. We've had over 40 people today continuing to voice their opposition regardless of the funding source. DPD and administration had a whole campaign claiming that ShotSpotter decreased crime until they finally admitted last week that this technology does not. We've heard a number of residents in the past mainly seniors and mothers who are targeted the deaths that they've witnessed and the gunshots that they fall asleep to asking us to prevent this from happening in the first place. I did not hear an overwhelming amount of people asking us to fund an overpriced microphone that will be used as an investigative tool. I know that the city council's deciding to support sauce butter is a desperate attempt to address crime. But I'm not desperate enough to offer small solutions. I grew up between McGraw Hill and Warren Avenue and for eight to 10 Honestly two gunshots multiple times a week. Me and my neighbors know where those gunshots are coming from. They're coming from drug houses, drug houses residents keep reporting but have not seen any action taken on by the police residents. are not asking for investigative tools. They're asking that we prevent our family members and neighbors from dying. That's what we're asking for. We know as a council, that this does not prevent crime. We know that our residents want us to invest in community evidence based interventions to reduce crime. I'm asking that we vote this down today and begin to work towards solutions, real solutions that will prevent crime from happening in the first place. These programs exist. We need to research them, fund them and implement them. We have some programs already in existence, but they are poorly funded. We have organizations who are ready to do this work and are begging for us to work with them. And I'm asking that we be bold, brave the status quo and listen to our residents. Thank you Madam President. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, member Calloway. Thank you Madam Chair. I also oppose postponing this vote as I did last week. I have not wavered in my opposition to ShotSpotter whether it's funded by Arper dollars, city funding dollars, which is also DPD dollars. I absolutely oppose ShotSpotter and I absolutely oppose it being postponed another week. From what I gathered today, we had the majority of the folks who were on the phone and the majority of the people who drove here today and paid to Park said no to ShotSpotter so I'm listening to the residents and I'm voting on their side I say no to ShotSpotter and I absolutely say no to postponing it another week. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you. Any additional comments or discussion? Yes. Remember President Pro Tem take Thank you. I'm going to request that we postpone the vote that we postpone the vote for one week. To allow for the finalization of the conversation that we started last week regarding the shifting of or swapping funds utilized potentially for this particular contract. I respect my colleagues view and vantage point and as member Waters said last week, very articulately, but with a lot of emotion, there's no there's no wrong answer, really in this situation. But you can't fault a council member for voting this way. Or that way because they're, quite honestly we have a number of folks who came down to public comment who are oversized on one side of this, this argument, but this is not just the community just in public comment. We are out I know how many of those are out in the community on a regular basis, because community meetings, we've talked to those residents, we go out to community associations, meetings, black club meetings as well. So it's not just I don't want to think that the only ear that we're hearing are the folks here in public comment, but I also don't want folks think to be ignoring what we're hearing in public kinda at least I can say that for myself. I am listening. But I also have to take into account all of the residents that I serve. And at this moment, I am looking forward to having an additional conversation next week with the potential swap of the funding source to see where we end up going utilizing this tool potentially as or utilizing the service as potentially a investigatory tool. As I said before, I'm not sold on it being a preventative tool, maybe long term, but in the short term, I absolutely believe that we have to do both. If you talk to victims of crime, families, they will tell you do whatever it takes to bring the person who killed my my relative to justice. Unfortunately, we have a whole host of those families that are piling up day by day in the city of Detroit. We constantly hear no fear mongering, but we're hearing on both sides. You know, there's one side that saying that, you know, we installed this equipment, then it's going to be a complete dragnet of black men in the neighborhood. We've working to address some of those issues through a policy that will have to be approved by the Board of police commissioners. But then on the other side, you're hearing if you don't approve this, this system, then there's gonna be gunfire everywhere. We don't get a handle on it. There's this fear of being tossed around on both sides. Our job is to sift through it all as best as possible. And determine what is the best pathway for the city of Detroit and again, I am going to ask move to postpone the vote for one week on this particular line item, Madam President, thank you. Okay, all right discussion on that motion. as well. Yes, ma'am. There will be discussion right thank you. Just want to echo council president potentate I support also postponing for a week in for me aside from the switching of funding. It's for it's important for me to understand the overall kind of comprehensive plan regarding how we support community based organizations that are doing the work. A lot of the individuals that have stated that they don't support it, it was because also they want to see investment in other areas like community based intervention programs. And so as I continue to have these conversations with DPD that is the information that I'm looking for, if that is something that can come at the same time as ShotSpotter is as well as how we fund these community based intervention programs. And if we don't use ARPA funding, that $7 million, can we reinvest that back into some of the community based intervention groups that are doing the work and so to allow more time for those discussions to take place? I will support today postponing it for an additional week as well. did hear every comment that was mentioned today. I appreciate everyone calling in and coming down. But I also agree to that there was just as much support last Tuesday. And so I'm listening to every one is well two that are for and against it. This is a tough vote. I think we all care about public safety in our community. But again, I will I would like to allow that additional week to see how we can further support the wraparound services and community based intervention groups that are out here doing the work every single day. Thank you very much. Yes, member Doha. Thank you, Madam President. I echo some of the same comments as you on President Pro Tem. I do support postponing it this week as well, to a lot of those discussions. There were a lot of folks today I want it to be known. I respect everybody that came down here today as well. Whether you agree with it or whether you don't. And I respect those who do agree with it, which is why I don't think there is a reason to just rush it through without talking about some of the comprehensive solutions. And I know we talked about statistics, but I just you know with this and something that has been on my mind, we postpone this for one week. And since that one week, and my district alone throughout the three precincts in my district to six and 10 We've had 13 gun related incidents. And out of the 13 there were nine non fatal shootings, three fatal shootings, and then there was one carjacking with somebody with a gun. And we don't have a problem with guns in our community. I don't know what it is. We talked about statistics. Those are statistics that's one week since we postponed it. So yes, I want community violence intervention. We work with the Detroit friends and family all of these great groups that come down here and that we've been working with co chaired a gun violence task force with President Sheffield so we are focused on community violence intervention. We do want to fund those programs. We do believe they're underfunded, we want to get more funding. But again, it doesn't have to be an ANA or so. I support postponing this bringing it back so we can work on those funding initiatives and have those further discussions. Thank you. Madam President. Thank you, member Johnson. Thank you, Madam President. I appreciate the motion for a one week postponement. And I too am listening to everyone, everyone throughout District Four. My staff has just recently created a short survey to be able to blast out within the community to add to the voices that we've been hearing. We have over 3500 people that are connected to the office who we're reaching out to we want to make sure that we get this survey out to the community leaders and everybody to share with districts or residents so that I have a greater understanding of what the community would like to see as it relates to ShotSpotter. So thank you for the opportunity and the time hopefully, to be able to do that. Because we're all very passionate about public safety and wanting to improve public safety. I too, have been receiving emails and have gotten information about fatalities in District Four, and just want to be able to make sure that I'm making the right decision on behalf of the residents throughout District Four. So thank you madam president. Right. Thank you remember Johnson? Robinson. Thank you. I just want to say in the third district, we've been working with ShotSpotter since 2015. We've been working with our advocates and we've developed our own wraparound services program there of how to utilize ShotSpotter as not just a law enforcement tool, but as a way to help deliver human services to the residents who happen to live in areas which are plagued by gun violence and just unnecessary gunplay. So we've been working on that for a number of years we've received additional commitments from DPD as well as funding commitments from the administration to continue with those and to develop those type of programs. And so the residents in the third district have made it very clear they want to see ShotSpotter continue. We've had a pilot program since the mid 2000s, and teams will continue to do that and we will continue to support our residents who are demanding technology that can help reduce and or bring about the use of wraparound services and human services to help reduce gun violence and or mitigate the negative impact on the quality of life for people with gun violence. And so we're going to continue to do that. And I'm hoping that the administration as well as a police department will ensure that my colleagues have the documents regarding the commitment to wraparound services that have been provided. Thank you. Thank you, member President Pro Tem has made a motion for postponement for 14.1. Madam President, yes, members that I had made a motion to approve and discuss. Right but he made a motion after I dropped my emotion. I have one final statement, if you wouldn't mind. Thank you. There was just a comment made about our families looking for justice. And I do want to mention that if we're going to work towards bringing justice to our residents that I asked DPD to release the video footage of the officer that shot Porter books over 20 times and killed him. His mother is asking for this. We need accountability and transparency from our police. department and I hope that they are working towards finding justice reporter. Thank you, Madam President. Thank you. Alright, motion has been made for postponement for 14.1. Are there any objections? Objection, objection. Okay, roll call was requested Mr. Clerk? Councilmember yo, yeah. Yes. This proposed parliament, right? Yes. Yes. Council President Sheffield. Yes. Councilmember Jensen? Yes. Councilmember there Hall? Yes. Councilmember Johnston? Yes. Councilmember Santiago Romero. No. Council President Pro Tem tea. Yes. Councilmember waters? No. Councilmember Whitfield Callaway. No. Six yeas, three days. That motion is approved. Madam President. Yes, member waters Yeah. Now that we are on this whole police department thing. And Member Santiago Romero brought up the shooting last week. So I am asking this is going to be in the form of a motion. That chief White came before council to address the police behaving like a firing squad and killing a man that needed help and not execution. I love and respect our police but a firing squad like execution is not how DPT DB d p d should be responding. I mean, oh my goodness. shot the guy who needed some help. 30 times. That is unacceptable. We need answers. We want the chief here. Nobody else will do. So I am making a motion that the chief come before this body and explain both to us and to the public. What happened in this instance? We need to know thank you discussion member Callaway yes discussion on that point. And I'd like to join you member waters and I think a week or so ago. Madam Chair and is to this point. There was a young man with a baby running down the street barefoot. You had two cops could barely run. I like for the chief to address that as well. They indicated that their taser. I don't know if it was defective. I don't know if it didn't work but the guy said it didn't hurt. So are we buying tasers that are defective? Because here we go again. They said with a young man who was shot and killed. I don't know how many times I hear 27 I heard 13 This morning I just heard 30 I guess we'll find out how many times he was shot. 20 year old barely looked like he was 100 pounds. Understand that they did shoot the Taser at them. I want to know why it didn't work then he weighed perhaps not even 100 pounds. So are we buying defective taser, so I'd like the chief to address that as well. But thank you Madam Chair. All right. Thank you for I don't know if we need a motion for it. I think colleagues are okay we all pretty much agree that we can coordinate with the chief schedule and see if he's available next Tuesday. We will reach out to him on behalf of Council and see if he's available to present next week. If not seeing that there's a lot of issues around public safety. We can also possibly work on doing a committee of Ohio, Mr. Whittaker with the discussion of public safety and all of the questions around those issues can be addressed. Yes. In one second, please. Yes. Mr. Whitaker. Yes. The discussion is, is very needed one he talked a little bit louder. Mr. Witter? Yes. I said is no question that you need discussion you need information the question is how should you receive the information and you've raised the committee to hold it may be that the law department might want to advise you saying that it's no doubt they've already hired Jeffrey fires. So it's probably necessary to have the matter written about through law, so you can have a closed session based on the writing and then go from there decide whether or not after the closed session, you're going to have a committee to hold and go forth with the discussion to remember waters as asked but I think you should get advice from counsel first. Okay. Thank you. Member waters. Would you mind making a motion for the law department to do an opinion or a writing on that particular incident so that we can figure out which way to proceed is that that's because of the whole legal aspect? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Motion to receive an opinion from the law department. Okay. All right. motion has been made. And I'm member waters you put that in writing as well. Yeah, for the law department. All right, Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And then number Calloway followed by member Benson. Thank you, Madam Chair. And since I add it to member waters on discussion about the tasers and whether or not they're defective, because they didn't work in two instances. One was fatal. So is that another discussion? Yes. And you can also motion that as well too. And then we can vote on that as well. Okay. So I make a motion to have the chief come before us. Nope, starting with the law department starting with the law department. So starting with the law department. My question about whether or not the tasers that the city is purchasing are defective because in two instances they did not work within the last week and a half, two weeks, two African American young men were shot at with tasers, and they were ineffective. So my question is whether or not the city again is purchasing defective tasers. One cost a young man has liked because it didn't work. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. Thank you remember Callaway just make sure you follow up with a memo with that request as well. Motion is on the floor discussion in Mr. Whittaker. Yes. All right. I think the issue regarding defective tasers raises a whole nother area. And I think you should hear from risk management in a lot in the in the police department. Because if there's a problem with the use of those tasers in the ineffectiveness, particularly if it's if it happens over and over again, then some some attention should be be be brought to that device or those devices in the risk management unit and RA and the police department should should explore that it should be included in the writing that you just requested from all okay, you got that? Okay. All right. Thank you Mr. Whittaker. motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none that resolution is excuse me that motion is approved. All right, Member Santiago Ramiro. Do you want to move the other line items? Oh, I'm sorry. Before we go to you. Yes, number Yeah, you. Thank you, Madam President. I also just want to request it will not request but I just also wanted to advise and ask if we're going to have a meeting with Miss Webb and tell me if I'm out of line or not. If we're going to have a meeting with the police chief. I would also like to have some light from the health department. There. I think as well as Detroit, Wayne County Health integrated network as well. I think it's important for us to realize, you know, are there other numbers that people could call the crisis crisis intervention teams you don't get we call them I also have a question, you know, about policing, particularly on the issues of accountability. And what we deal with and what we don't deal with, you know, there's been some issues in terms of erasure of misconduct records. So you have some of that they will commit these type of Acts and then their records will be erased. Do you have questions about that I have about a recruiting standards that are allowed to talk about as well as questions about, you know, videotape. In general, you know, in terms of when you're going to receive the videotape. You're there. There were some understanding that you they may have like a holding period of 48 hours to be able to review the tape before they have to release it to the public. I would just I'm not saying that's true. I would just like to know what that is. And how do we deal with that as a whole and what kind of authority do we have to deal with the issues of accountability? And terms of standards? Is that something that we deal with? Is that something that the Board of police commissioners deals with? I think these are things that I would like to know and I have a lot of questions on as well. Madam president may just thank you once was that that was a statement. Thank you. I'm not I'm not I'm not making the motion. And I would also say that just like, I'm sorry, council president. I'm the presentation if you hit on property tax, which I thought was really good. I think that should be that type of style that we should have about this issue with the police chief and policing as well. That will be a committee of a whole Yeah, so we'll work on that. And then member waters, we do have a two o'clock very quick, I think, maybe yelling for raising that issue. Because, you know, I originally talked about a separate hotline for people to call when they are calling regarding people who are mentally ill. And so I was told by the administration, well, no, let them call the 911 number. And you see what has happened, right? The police go out with guns blazing. So I need to administration if you can hear me right now to read, you know, revisit that it is not going to work sending police officers out there. When people are mentally ill. We've got to do something different. They are trained to shoot and kill. They are not trained to calm people down and that kind of thing. That's not what they do. So we've got to take a look at it. So I thank you, Madam President, administration, if you wish, you are within the sound of my voice. You hear from me again on that one? Thank you. Thank you so much. Remember why you mentor me? I just remember, this is a question for you. This is we're equal branch of government, with the executive and the judicial is can we set up our own hotline for these types of cases? If not, not for the City Council. But can the City Council initiate a hotline for these types of matters? Do we have to get the approval and the consent of the administration? If work equal branch? Yeah, so we definitely can set priorities and use those priorities to guide us during the budget time when they come for budget request. But ultimately, I'm assuming there will have to be a department or someone to implement and run this particular hotline. But I agree with you on this is something we can work with offline as a priority for counseling YouTube as well. Would love to support you guys on that. Thank you, Madam Chair. All right. Thank you. Thank you my daughter's Alright, so we will move forward. Member Santiago Amuro. Thank you, Madam President. A motion to approve one of them. 14.2 through 14.5. Madam Chair, yes. Discussion? Yes discussion. Can you show me a no vote on 14.5 and thank you. All right, if the clerk would note on line item 14.5 to 30. So remember Callaway. Hearing no further objections those three resolutions will be approved. From the Office of the Chief Financial Officer Office of Development and grants, Councilmember Santiago Mira resolution line item 14.6 Councilmember Santiago Ramiro. Thank you, madam president a motion to approve when the 14.6 motion has been made for approval and this is for to accept an increase for the HIV epidemic a plan for America program. Hearing no objections that resolution will be approved. 14.4 All right. motion has been made. Hearing no objections to that waiver. That motion is approved. We will now move to the new business agenda. For the President's Report, one standing committee referrals and other matters. For the excuse me for the budget Finance and Audit standing committee. One report from the Office of contract and procurement one report will be referred to that committee for the internal operation standing committee. Several reports from various city departments. The seven reports will be referred to the internal operation standing committee for the Neighborhood and Community Services standing committee. Eight reports from various city departments right really quick. I know there's a request to move to these to new business 19.1 through 19.3 Because of the date of the event, is there a motion to move 19.1 to 19.3 to new business some motion has been made Hearing no objections line item for the Planning and Economic Development standing committee, nine reports from various city departments the nine reports will be referred to the Planning and Economic Development standing committee for the public health and safety standing committee 17 reports from various city departments. 17 reports will be referred to the public health and safety Standing Committee under the Consent Agenda Madam President before we go to the consent agenda, we can handle two items that were moved to new business. A lot of 19.1 and 19.3 3.1 through 19 point 2.10 I'm sorry I apologize. You are correct. 19.1 in 19.1. You want to read it off first and then rematch, you know, Council Member young two resolutions line items 19.1 and 19.3. From today. Oh, sorry, man presenting the data correctly is 19.1 through 19.30. Sorry, I want to make that correction. Is that okay? Critical. So no, thank you. Councilmember young, three resolutions. Yes. Councilmember Young. Thank you. Madam president moved to approve line items 19.1 through 19.3. All right, and just discussion these are various events all had been approved by various city departments. They did come in on time. However, I think last week's session was cancelled so they were not able to get approved. 19.1 is for the American Cancer Society. For the 25th annual Walk and Hart Plaza. 19.2 was the Detroit Free Press marathon in line item 19.3 is for Focus HOPE for a walkathon on October the ninth motion has been made. Are there any objections? Hearing none the three resolutions will be approved. Right under the consent agenda. There are no idols. Madam President, you will not call from member reports. There's a waiver requested for 19.1 through 19.3 Hearing no objections that action will be taken. Right now calling from member reports. We Madam Chair, can I make a motion to suspend the member support because that's 130 we have a two o'clock motion that kind of hungry. Okay, Madam Chair. Yes, Miss Bolton. Thank you. I do apologize. This just came in. I do want to make this honorable body aware that Chief White is having a press conference today at 3pm to discuss the incident reference. We highly encourage everyone to tune in to get more details on this unfortunate event. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Miss Fulton. Aye. Motion has been made for the suspension of member reports. Hearing no objections that action will be taken. And under the adoption without committee reference. There are no items. Madam President, under communications from the clerk will report on approval proceedings by the mail. The report will be received and placed on file under testimonial resolutions and special privilege. Remember Benson are resolution line item 26.1. Councilmember Benson motion to approve. motion has been made for approval. Hearing no objections that resolution will be approved in Yes. Mr. Whittaker? Yes. We'll quickly get asked us to put together a list of the folks who were interested in participating in the reparations Task Force. Yes, there's 57 names and we'd like to know how you want their information transmitted transmitted. To you. Do you want hard copies that we like to have it sent electronically? Both will do that. All right. All right. Thank you, Mr. Whittaker. All right. There's nothing else to come before us. Thank you for your patience, everyone. We will see everyone back at 2:42pm closed session. This meeting will stand adjourned. Oh, do you have no no. I didn't really take any notes. Okay. I didn't know whether you want to. You know, we haven't worked together long enough. And I didn't really want to sort of give you the assignment. will shift depending. On my child thanks. for calling.
