Yeah, that was an interview I did with Susan lac who's and it's just become editor of triathlon magazine. And Porter is a triathlete. And, and she's kind of done a great expose on some of the pseudoscience that so pervasive, and health and sport and I've done a whole bunch of stuff since the Olympics, I wrote an article in the conversation, which got lots of feedback, or all positive, negative from people who like cupping and chiropractic and other you know, bullshit, alternative remedies. But everyone else thought it was a great article. And then I did a talk for Skeptical Inquirer magazine, which you can find I tweeted it a couple of times, that it's on YouTube, if you look up Center for Inquiry. And it's I think the the talk is Pseudoscience in exercises for and it's like a 45 minute lecture with a q&a at the end. And I really go to town on kind of the, the, yeah, exact Pseudoscience in Exercise and Sport, because we're dealing with it all the time. It does one to answer your question, if there's one that I that I really frustrated me more than the others, it probably be something like chiropractic, or cupping, chiropractic, probably more so. Because chiropractic somehow is kind of smuggled its way snuck its way into mainstream practice. And a lot of people go and see chiropractors without realizing that it's a complementary and alternative medicine. You know, that they think it's mainstream part of mainstream practice, but it's actually it's a very, you know, it's a very niche alternative. And when you actually look at you know, I'm a scientist and I don't I never apologize for the truth. I always point my nose in the direction that the evidence suggests because that's the strength of Science, right? We don't, we don't look at anecdote, we're not really interested in the it worked for me argument, that kind of defense, what we look at is high quality controlled studies that are designed to minimize bias, and to try and get to the truth of the matter. And with chiropractic, when you look at the evidence, there's loads of research on it. The disparity between the claims that are made for chiropractic, and the evidence in support of those claims, is as big for chiropractic as it is for anything, chiropractic doesn't work at all, for almost anything. And it's so frickin popular. And people, if they have back problems and neck problems, and headaches, and you know, to suffering from stress and anxiety, they often go and see a chiropractor. And there are lots and lots of case reports, far too many to mention, unfortunately, of chiropractic related deaths, where people have been killed by a chiropractor, who's kind of, you know, manipulated somebody's neck and, and broken the neck, of course, a stroke or some other kind of catastrophic injury. And, you know, when when you talk about alternative therapies, you you've got to talk about the risks to benefit ratio, which which is, which is what you've got to do for all any kind of intervention risks to benefit. Now, with actual medical treatments that, you know, have proven efficacy, the physician, you know, the primary care provider will make a judgment on the relative risks and the red relative benefits. But with alternative medicine, the benefit hinges on placebo, the only potential benefit of chiropractic is a placebo effect. And the risk just can't be justified. So it's just to me it's, it's mind boggling to see how popular it is the end. Yeah, exactly. Sorry for starting me off.